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On October 19 2012 06:29 slOosh wrote:
Do you guys have any tips in regard to staying consistent? I end up checking my filter to see what I said and make sure I align like that, but I don't like that. Is it just practicing in a way to "unsee" scum as scum and town as town?
Not really. I just remember what I said. And it's ok to change your mind on someone if you explain it.
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Just scum hunt like usual and filter out what your buddies do. It's basically tunneling in the essence you're looking for reasons to frame someone except you're not tunneling a single person but the entire town.
Try to make up a train of thoughts for yourself (and remember it). It will make it easier to sell to the town what you're doing was logical if questioned later.
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On October 19 2012 05:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Try motivating yourself with. Sucess if I can lead a townie mislynch without making myself look bad in the process.
Bureaucracy Mafia was simply hell to play for scum and can't be compared with normal mafia.
edit: Mafia couldn't push scumreads because they could be our teammates. Vice versa any townie pushing a scumread was 90% town.
It speaks for itself that you need to "find motivation" to play scum, while you don't to play town.
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On October 19 2012 06:53 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Try motivating yourself with. Sucess if I can lead a townie mislynch without making myself look bad in the process.
Bureaucracy Mafia was simply hell to play for scum and can't be compared with normal mafia.
edit: Mafia couldn't push scumreads because they could be our teammates. Vice versa any townie pushing a scumread was 90% town. It speaks for itself that you need to "find motivation" to play scum, while you don't to play town.
tbf, it's true of a lot of people. I don't relish playing scum, I go "ugh" if I receive a scum PM.
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I've only played one scum game, in a relatively "easy" setup, but I didn't find that I needed to motivate myself to perform, nor did I have to really do anything different than what I would do as a townie (other than knowing what alignment that person was going to flip, ofc) :o
I'm sure it would get boring eventually, but my mindset during that entire game was that I WAS a townie.
I think a key thing, though, is that I naturally filter all of my thoughts so that they intentionally (at least attempt to) sound like I'm town. Even as town, I try my damnedest not to say dumb things. So, when I rolled scum, I just kept playing like that.
Sure, small sample size, but it worked well for me :o
E: Basically what I'm saying is that if you have to differentiate your mindset, you're already doing it wrong, IMO.
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On October 19 2012 06:53 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Try motivating yourself with. Sucess if I can lead a townie mislynch without making myself look bad in the process.
Bureaucracy Mafia was simply hell to play for scum and can't be compared with normal mafia.
edit: Mafia couldn't push scumreads because they could be our teammates. Vice versa any townie pushing a scumread was 90% town. It speaks for itself that you need to "find motivation" to play scum, while you don't to play town.
It's not what I said. IF you feel the need to motivate yourself. Some people love the feeling of tricking and fooling the others, they're not good enough to catch you. Some enjoy hunting mafia. I do both but I agree with marv. It's more fun to be town because nailing a scumshit is <3.
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On October 19 2012 07:09 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 06:53 gonzaw wrote:On October 19 2012 05:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Try motivating yourself with. Sucess if I can lead a townie mislynch without making myself look bad in the process.
Bureaucracy Mafia was simply hell to play for scum and can't be compared with normal mafia.
edit: Mafia couldn't push scumreads because they could be our teammates. Vice versa any townie pushing a scumread was 90% town. It speaks for itself that you need to "find motivation" to play scum, while you don't to play town. It's not what I said. IF you feel the need to motivate yourself. Some people love the feeling of tricking and fooling the others, they're not good enough to catch you. Some enjoy hunting mafia. I do both but I agree with marv. It's more fun to be town because nailing a scumshit is <3.
Couldn't have said it better myself ^^
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On October 19 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 06:29 slOosh wrote:
Do you guys have any tips in regard to staying consistent? I end up checking my filter to see what I said and make sure I align like that, but I don't like that. Is it just practicing in a way to "unsee" scum as scum and town as town? Not really. I just remember what I said. And it's ok to change your mind on someone if you explain it.
I think the only reason I get lynch for contradiction is if I dont pay attention to what Im posting. I think I write one thing but when people read it the idea seems totally different. If you can get that exact idea down accurately, town will be able to see the change.
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On October 19 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 06:16 talismania wrote:
regarding sloosh's point:
if mafia is always 1/4 the player pool
and
I have a pure town meta
and
I can make an obvious scum meta
then
aren't I not guaranteed town for all my town games, and therefore most likely to win most of the games I play?
This is a thing I struggle with. I don't want to have to play worse as town in order to disguise my scum play. Because playing with as much effort as I give to town as scum simply isn't possible. none of this makes any logical sense. just because you're town more often doesn't mean you win more often. Basically you're just deficient as a player :/ But players like sandroba, palmar, foolishness have similar deficiencies, so *shrug* Just because you're clearly town as town, doesn't mean you win...
True you don't win just because ppl know you are town. But I have only lost one town game and have lost all but one scum game. Also when town just being right and effective often guarantees a feeling of personal victory even if your team eventually loses. That's not true for scum.
I'd also make the point that acting similar both as town and scum is dependent on your style of play. My town style is rooted in genuine enthusiasm and is therefore really hard to fake as scum. People that don't post that much have an easier time disguising themselves but I don't want to be an inactive player.
Finally the more like your town self you are as scum the more you are less trusted as town. Marv you know this better than most given that people have an autolynch policy on you if you simply survive late.
Just things to think about regarding some design issues inherent with mafia in general.
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On October 19 2012 09:06 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote:On October 19 2012 06:16 talismania wrote:
regarding sloosh's point:
if mafia is always 1/4 the player pool
and
I have a pure town meta
and
I can make an obvious scum meta
then
aren't I not guaranteed town for all my town games, and therefore most likely to win most of the games I play?
This is a thing I struggle with. I don't want to have to play worse as town in order to disguise my scum play. Because playing with as much effort as I give to town as scum simply isn't possible. none of this makes any logical sense. just because you're town more often doesn't mean you win more often. Basically you're just deficient as a player :/ But players like sandroba, palmar, foolishness have similar deficiencies, so *shrug* Just because you're clearly town as town, doesn't mean you win... True you don't win just because ppl know you are town. But I have only lost one town game and have lost all but one scum game. Also when town just being right and effective often guarantees a feeling of personal victory even if your team eventually loses. That's not true for scum. I'd also make the point that acting similar both as town and scum is dependent on your style of play. My town style is rooted in genuine enthusiasm and is therefore really hard to fake as scum. People that don't post that much have an easier time disguising themselves but I don't want to be an inactive player. Finally the more like your town self you are as scum the more you are less trusted as town. Marv you know this better than most given that people have an autolynch policy on you if you simply survive late. Just things to think about regarding some design issues inherent with mafia in general.
Sure, but like... in mad men you were suspicious and shot by town vigilante. You've also had suspicions on you in other games. I believe you're creating incorrect causation with how you appear as town and your victory count.
You also know I post a metric shit-tonne (more than you even) and I manage to get close to that as scum...
I can handle people being suspicious of me more than they might otherwise. I haven't been mislynched in like my last 10-15 town games or whatever. Doesn't stop me catching ze scumbags.
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Lol doesn't Talis post a metric shit tonne too?
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The way I look at being mafia (and town for that matter) is that its way more fun when you're in the spotlight and you have to defend yourself while making cases on people. I've been at the center of lynch controversy two games now and it's fun to argue your way out of it.
Also, as scum I find it fun just for the fact of trying to convince not only the townies that other townies are scum, but in a way you also have to convince yourself. Otherwise your case sounds too wishy washy
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Mad men is a poor example.
You came into that game as a replacement and immediately identified me as town. The only people pushing suspicion on me were scum. And I was shot because I was a miller with a red check.
In fact the one town game I lost was because I got a lot of suspicion early. Don't think it's happened except then.
And activity is only one facet of an overall posting style.
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Also for sure I don't mean to say that me being town causes town to win. But you must agree that as town I'm way more helpful to my team than as scum. And that matters even if just a little bit when deciding the outcome of the game.
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On October 19 2012 13:36 talismania wrote:
Also for sure I don't mean to say that me being town causes town to win. But you must agree that as town I'm way more helpful to my team than as scum. And that matters even if just a little bit when deciding the outcome of the game.
Right. But my aim when playing is to be very helpful to my team whichever alignment I play, and I think I'm reasonably successful about it.
You're creating this unnecessary dichotomy... largely, in my opinion, simply because you're lazy.
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Risk can you point to other games I was not involved enough with? ... I know I was inactive for a bit this game but those days the lynches were already Pre-determined...
Also, what scum has the balls to say "I wasn't doing anything" and why doesn't anyone remember how I called out BC and sloosh (and annul) extremely early in the game. I was 2 for 3 and wanted to lynch sloosh so hard. I just dont understand how anything aside for my activity was scum about my play
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I wouldn't call what you did inactive because you were active mostly. The problem was after day 1 you did nothing, admitted to being apathetic and got upset when called on it. We were basically forced to lynch you because you were impossible to get a read on and demonstrated no interest in changing that.
Other games.
PYP Redux: You shot scum on gut instantly, then you played like "I've done my part". Despite being confirmed town scum didn't priority killing you.
Moviestar Mafia: I couldn't read you because you did nothing and you turned out to be scum.
But you summarise it best yourself. In this game when you defended yourself against accusations of apathy and inactivity you bring up yourself that your meta is to be apathetic and inactive. I don't understand how you can say it yourself and still be so blind.
How are we supposed to read a person like that? How would you handle a game with a person who plays like that.
You're having trouble motivating yourself and occasionally everyone does. But you can't join games and only play them if you feel like it.
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Yeah pyp I figured was over cause we had a set lynch list (that woulda won the game had someone I forget who, showed up and voted)
In movie mafia I was pretty active and made a lot of reads... I was also scum so it was hard to post especially when I didn't have time to read
I guess I don't like sharing reads when they don't matter at all... When the lynch is set you are just making yourself a better mafia target and I like surviving... It's sucks that the weekend was when I was lynched because that's when im at my lowest activity but I don't think I made myself unreadable.
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