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On October 16 2012 20:15 Kreb wrote:
I dont see the anti-town play in continuing if you still believe him to be scum. Right now though, he should in no way be your main concern if you're town. Either you think Im full of shit and should immediately place your vote on me. Or you dont, and then you should look towards VE. I have my ideas (and they're changing semi-frequently) on who the last scum is. But im not gonna get into a DP vs Shiao vs risk discussion since thats absolutely irrelevant right now. If you believe the scum team to be Me+ZB+X, get on me. If you believe it to be VE+ZB+X, get on VE. ZB is not your highest priority atm.
Feel free to share your overall reads though. I'd be interested in that. I put 3 as town, 2 as scum, 3 as unsure. Who would you put as town/scum/unsure?
Yourself and Iamperfection are my top town reads. VE is a fucking nightmare. Coag is town based on a very questionable check claim by viscera eyes. So he is unknown. Sloosh and risk have been AFK as has Shiao but Shiao's willingness to jump on my wagon is SCummy as shit. I am reading XXVIII and ZB's meta in that game. and it seems to largely match up with his current play. So I am not as certain as I was that he is in fact scum but I still feel he may be.
Bleh. This game is hard. It is convoluted as fuck and the setup speculation has made a a mess with my reads.
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Look at all this resistance to the VE lynch. Despite there being very good reasoning and reason behind a lynch on VE.
The only thing that has kept VE alive despite the weight of the evidence against him is Increasingly silly setup speculation.
In any of my newbie games he would have been lynched. He spent the best part of 2 days tunnelling townie kreb on the flimsiest reasoning ever (oh no you post less in your third ever game).
I am jack of meta and set-up speculation being used in increasingly ridiculous fashion to save VE. when applying Okham's Razor it says VE is scum.
##Vote Viscera Eyes
Reference:
Z-B's and Krebs Cases.
Keirathi on VE.
BC on VE.
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I will be around till deadline.
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On October 17 2012 08:19 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:01 risk.nuke wrote:
And even if your claim is true. You want to lynch Viscera based on your speculation of what that one-liner post ment? yes Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:15 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 10:10 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 10:02 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:53 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:51 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:43 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:
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here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. ok now do coagulation. theres a method...... just do it I'll admit Coag's filter is quite strange. I'm unsure what to think of it. On the one hand, he really hasn't done much of anything, and he's a vet. On the other hand, he's rather indignant - he's demonstrating a lot of the "I don't give a fuck" attitude that you yourself did in Rockband Mini. When you put these two together... I don't know. I'm pretty null on him. I'd have to look more into his meta to give you a definitive response. That's a project for tomorrow if I'm still alive. I'm much more sold on risk. Secondly, I'm STILL waiting for a response here: How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You've still have not explained why I'm wrong here, or why risk can be considered null after this. i never said you are wrong im just saying i found it strange that the post stuck out to you considering all the other posts that have been made that i would say are very similar. Well I hope atleast agree that risk needs to answer for this. But in additional context, consider that risk hasn't been under much suspicion this game (atleast from what I've read). It's really really odd that he's not scared of getting NK'd in this context. fair enough i wont fight his battle for him. Also im fairly certain he can easily answer the question if he is town. Cool. Since you asked me about kush/Coag, what do you think of 'em? I believe kush to be town his high activity and hes been somewhat pushing discussion. Despite his wifom mind bombs my gut tells me town. Coag is a prime concern of me. On October 06 2012 04:51 Coagulation wrote:
why the fuck am I on the list? Im sorry but I have done nothing to look scummy at all. Maybe im not the most active player here but that sure as fuck doesnt indicate that im scum in any way. I dont like that acted like a cry baby when he was listed on someones scum list. Stuck out to me as weird. Especially in a large game like this why would a town player give a fuck that he was on someones list. My role deals with priming indviduals. I wont get into details but at one point in the game i had a prime on coagulation. I would use the word prime or primarly to show my targets. also at one point i had a prime on ve. Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 10:30 iamperfection wrote:in other news i'm fairly certain that both austin and kush are town. Austin- Contributed a lot and i dont think he would be able to come with some of the cases he did as scum. I agree that marvs flip says nothing about node. Like i said before marv is crafty and nod still hasent done anything to make me think he is town. Austin just had the unfortunate circumstance of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and i dont believe the node case was a distraction for anything. Kush- In all of his posts i don't get a sense he has extra information. Also his larg amount activity makes me think he is town. So who do i think is scum well for now i would say the most likely. Node- this sob has done nothing to make me think he is town. Also the orginal case brought up against him is still valid despite marvs presence. VE- somebody mentioned this earlier On October 01 2012 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
And regardless of your alignment annul, you should probably know that I'm going to be exhausting. I haven't been in a mafia game for like a week or two. He said he would be exhausting and he hasn't been. I played with ve town briefly once before and i wouldn't describe his play this game as that here. In that game he dominated the discussion when he was there and was by and far the town "leader" i would say. I think the case that tails Posted earlier r on Is valid and [b]VE[b/] has an activity tell that he cant shake. My gut tells me he would be e a good lynch. You may not know who my prime or primes are on now and i did not bread crumb my most recent moves. As you can guess being primed is not good and can lead to your death since i primed only people i thought might be scum.
So your a mad hatter with potentially multiple bombs.
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On October 17 2012 08:39 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
No kills night before.
2 kills last night.
Not hard town. whats your point?
In before set up speculation.
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This is the most confused shit I have ever seen this late in the game. And you know what. It is because we fucking kill VE when his 'claimed read' flipped VT instead of mafia power role.
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On October 17 2012 09:53 risk.nuke wrote:
Darth, It's not that simple.
Look at it from Visceras persective if scum.
Fakeclaiming detective at that point would have be stunningly retarded. From counterclaims to suspicions. The risks are high everywhere and the gain little. And my instincts tell me viscera is town.
Look at the state of the game if VE is scum. Confusion is rampant. We have spent the greater part of our time since the Kush flip on retarded setup speculation. And people still don't want to lynch VE.
Add onto that his reactions when Pressured By BC and then when Pressured By Kush. Shitting up the thread the first time and then OMGUS and tunnelling kreb for two days. The only reason VE isn't pushing for a kreb mislynch right now is that he was fortunate enough to have a blue claim.
So if VE was scum he would have wrought 3 mislynches. Mass confusion. And rampant setup speculation at the cost of people finding him suspicious and then not lynching him for 2 cycles?
Seems worth it to me. Seems like we should have fucking lynched him yesterday instead of mattchew. But you know. I tried that.
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'Oh look VE can't be scum because [insert setup speculation here]'
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On October 17 2012 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
DP...ypu're wrong.
Well. Thanks I guess. But that is hardly going to sway me. And your reaction to the wagon on you is quite telling.
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There were 2 watchers. Which are just nerfed cops.
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also paramedics are like cops that insta-claim and are confirmed when they catch scum and there were 2 of those. If anything having 5 investigative roles in a game is a stretch.
If the only way VE can be thought of is town is through assumptions and setup speculation he clearly isn't town.
If he is town I have no rational explanation for his behaviour, the state of the thread. WTF happened to kush etc.
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Risk is voting for Sloosh FYI.
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Wait for the night post I guess.
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Meme defense when Cop....
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On October 17 2012 13:03 Coagulation wrote:
I fucking hate you guys
Right coag. Like you weren't calling him scum all day.
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On October 17 2012 13:07 Hapahauli wrote:
How on earth did VE get lynched...
Hapa. Game is not over GTFO <3
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On October 17 2012 13:09 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lololololo dafuq
Yeah you are loving this aren't you scum
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On October 17 2012 13:12 Coagulation wrote:
dp and zbos are scum
LOL are you high? We tunnelled each other like crazy.
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There is no way to know if game is over. So don't give up. Give me your two top scum reads.
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EPT
