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@Alsn
I understand why I'm on your null read list so far but I'd like to point out something to you and everybody.
Here is the post where Kush has made his scumslip.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:should not have looked at thread again now I have to respond... @debears yeah it's like exactly the same as last game. That's because I think up my first post almost word for word before I even get my roll pm. I did not get to follow through with it last game though since I rolled scum. Also sorry for the semiflame war. It was not that bad. Also he started it. Aside from that, I think the plan to start tunneling during the second half of the day is really bad. It helped us a lot last game as scum because we had an excuse not to vote for the people we were fosing. Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:@Kush thank you now I won't be nk Was it also a joke ? How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ? Because the most active townie is tunneling me? Obviously I'm not going to be nk. And yes it was a joke but the best jokes have truth to them. It is a joke in that it's purpose was to be funny since obviously it doesn't help the scumhunt or my defense.
I'm actually proud of this one because he did it while answering one of my questions ^^ I think I deserve some town credit for that one even if I did buy kush's explanations about this slip later on.
@Omniscient
Given my state right now, I'm just expressing my gut's feelings about debears and corrosion. I already have my FoS on corrosion and I'm going to read their filters really carefully when I wake up. Please also refer to my post about my scumteam guess
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE] On September 29 2012 13:50 Djodref wrote:@DarthPunkConsidering my backflip on Kush, the general feeling I got from his latest posts is that he is not going to help the town in any way. At least we should get rid of him for a better town atmosphere. But I also think he is scum after all  At first I accepted his slip because his meta is to be careless as town. Also he did provide some explanation for it (it was light but could have been genuine). After this, two things changed my mind. Firstly SDM convinced me this was a real scumslip with this post + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 05:05 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Making a Kush case at this point is kind of like trying to kick in an open door. Like Alsn I was thinking even before the game started how to handle Kush. People say he has a scummy meta and I guess that's true to an extent, but there are certainly some significant differences. Some of those things were pointed out by Hapa in the XXVII aftermath, advice Kush seemed to just shrug off (eh, he kind of went OMGUS on Hapa). Hapa points out the difference in how Kush defends himself when he's town, here's his defense against drazak's case in XXVI (as town): + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 13:25 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote:On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Why town should all vote for cuba
Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.
Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?
We need three more votes on cuba. I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta I pushed the cubu vote because 1)he was a bad poster/lurker and it worked as a policy lynch if nothing else 2)how he turned revealed a lot about thrawn, who i assumed medic or jb would save because he was the obvious choice in my mind I thought it was very fishy that thrawn tried to redirect twice, and so I got very excited with the prospect of identifying two mafia in the first day. Also at the time I thought, as did thrawn, that kville was going to be replaced. So that's why I called him the worst townie. Now it's clear that honor belongs to kville. Also jacob I don't get how this is a good argument? It's reasoning is only one sentence: Show nested quote +Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. I think he means that then thrawn would be mafia, but right now that sentence, which is his ONLY argumentation, makes no sense. I didn't think anyone else seemed more scumlike than he did. Although I did know that was a big chance of him not being scum. See, drazzy darling, when there are a ton of lurkers/terrible townies in the game like yourself, it makes it pretty fucking hard to win as town. And my last defense of myself is to invoke the holy name of the late thrawn, who, on the night of his untimely death, proclaimed me as his biggest town read. Read his defense of me because I'm sure it's better than anything I could do. REST IN PEACE THRAWN TT Not to OMGUS, but this actually makes drazak seem quite suspicious to me. Mostly because I am the most active poster now that thrawn is gone. Maybe I'm biased about the matter but what do other people think? I will look through his filter more tomorrow. Kush tends to OMGUS whether scum or town, but the way in which he OMGUS differs. When scum he's confident and aggressive, when town he's more diplomatic and logical. In this game, the former certainly holds true. Other than that, town Kush seems to focus scum hunting (check his early XXVI filter) while scum Kush is focusing on defending himself and posting tons of fluff (he even mentioned in the XXVII Mafia QT that his strategy was to post a shit ton). In this game his scum hunting is pretty much non-existent while he's been defending himself and posting fluff just like in XXVII. The most significant piece of information in this game though is his scum slip and his explanation. The slip is significant. I have a really hard time believing that the mother of all OMGUSing would be calling his attacker townie. Unless, of course, he's in possession of extra information and it's a slip. His defense isn't very convincing. Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 20:12 kushm4sta wrote:
2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use.
Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro.
Of course he's been using "people" and "person" a lot in past games, but this post from XXVII is a good example on how he views his attackers: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.
I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad It's also worth pointing out that drazak attacking him made Kush suspicious of drazak (post quoted above), he did the complete opposite of making a town read on him. Secondly the two calls from kush to debears are disturbing me + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote:
debears I saved you bro...scumteam 4 lyfe I know he was being sarcastic and referring to a previous game but this is absolutely anti-town in my eyes. It's just confusing me and giving me a WIFOM headache and I don't need it with all the bad whiskey I drunk yesterday. He did apologize for his behavior later on but he's doing it again here. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 12:14 kushm4sta wrote:
debears hf you are dying next.
So I'm calling a kush/debears/corrosion scumteam rightnow. But honestly it would be lame if it was the case...
In my point of view, it would be really really lame if debears was scum right now. I would hate kush for gamethrowing and be very disappointed for my first game on TL Mafia forum. So my hope for debears to be town is really strong and cloud my judgement on him.
Also I would like to remind everybody that I put FoS on corrosion. Please remind this if I'm NKed tonight. So once again
##FoS: corrosion
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Ok I'm going to bed right now, I'm hoping to not have a big hangover tomorrow ^^
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I've been reading through RemedySC's filter. I found his last post in particular a bit odd.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:
I'm sorry, but I don't believe these are reasons a town would choose to make a vote. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him. So the scum slip itself doesn't give you good reason to vote for him, but his poor defense does? A mafia making a scum slip could have the best explanation in the world. That doesn't exonerate them. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.
So your second reason isn't even something that Kush has done. Wouldn't you also say that mafia would benefit from a mis-lynch more than from a no-lynch? Could you elaborate more on the bolded part, because you give no explanation as to how a mafia would benefit more from a no-lynch. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details.
You would think a town would want to be more than 25% sure the person they are voting for is scum. You don't even have any cases made against kush. No questions asked. Very vague reasons given...
I find it odd that RSC was attacking Corrosion for voting Kush. At this point in the game, RSC had already cast his vote for Kush, and his best reason was:
On September 29 2012 12:14 RemedySC wrote:
You [Kush] are not creating an ideal atmosphere.
RSC doesn't really have much motivation for voting Kush, other than the fact that he's disruptive to the gameplay environment. Yet, he picks apart Corrosion for voting him. I don't understand why he'd attack Corrosion's "poor reasons" at all. Take a look at the bolded part of the spoiler. He condemns Corrosion for not having made any cases again Kush, yet RSC himself hasn't done anything of the sort. RSC hasn't posted anything in regards to Kush being scum besides the "creating a bad atmosphere" and "not posting in a pro-town manner" argument. RSC doesn't seem to be any more sure than Corrosion is about lynching Kush, yet he is condemning Corrosion for having bad reasoning. His post seems hypocritical to me.
@RemedySC
Why, if you had voted Kush with such little evidence, were you outing Corrosion for doing something similar? You almost seemed as if you were defending Kush for no reason in this post.
I'm curious, and would like to hear your opinion on things.
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On September 30 2012 07:21 Omniscient4983 wrote:I've been reading through RemedySC's filter. I found his last post in particular a bit odd. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:
I'm sorry, but I don't believe these are reasons a town would choose to make a vote. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him. So the scum slip itself doesn't give you good reason to vote for him, but his poor defense does? A mafia making a scum slip could have the best explanation in the world. That doesn't exonerate them. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.
So your second reason isn't even something that Kush has done. Wouldn't you also say that mafia would benefit from a mis-lynch more than from a no-lynch? Could you elaborate more on the bolded part, because you give no explanation as to how a mafia would benefit more from a no-lynch. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details.
You would think a town would want to be more than 25% sure the person they are voting for is scum. You don't even have any cases made against kush. No questions asked. Very vague reasons given...I find it odd that RSC was attacking Corrosion for voting Kush. At this point in the game, RSC had already cast his vote for Kush, and his best reason was: Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 12:14 RemedySC wrote:
You [Kush] are not creating an ideal atmosphere.
2.RSC doesn't really have much motivation for voting Kush, other than the fact that he's disruptive to the gameplay environment. Yet, he picks apart Corrosion for voting him. I don't understand why he'd attack Corrosion's "poor reasons" at all. Take a look at the bolded part of the spoiler. He condemns Corrosion for not having made any cases again Kush, yet RSC himself hasn't done anything of the sort. RSC hasn't posted anything in regards to Kush being scum besides the "creating a bad atmosphere" and "not posting in a pro-town manner" argument. RSC doesn't seem to be any more sure than Corrosion is about lynching Kush, yet he is condemning Corrosion for having bad reasoning. His post seems hypocritical to me. @RemedySC 3.Why, if you had voted Kush with such little evidence, were you outing Corrosion for doing something similar? You almost seemed as if you were defending Kush for no reason in this post. I'm curious, and would like to hear your opinion on things.
1. I wasn't defending Kush, if that is what you are implying. I found it very hypocritical of corrosion to say that I have little content in my posts, and than make posts with little content also.
2. I feel like you just skimmed through my filter. You say the point about the bad atmosphere is the only one I've made...
Ahem -
+ Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 12:57 RemedySC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:+ Show Spoiler +First!!
whats up guys it's kush.
About me
I have been told many times I have a "scummy meta." Not really fair since last game I did roll scum so I didn't really get a chance to show improvement in my town play. I'm working on it guys.
This is my 4th newbie game so I'm experienced as possible to play in this game. Also I think rolling scum last game will help my reads greatly. I know how those fuckers think.
Everyone say how you feel about lurker policy.
I take kind of a middle of the ground stance. I mean if you have like 3 lurkers obviously you shouldn't waste 3 nights killing them off 1 by 1. If I think someone is scummy than I vote for that person. If I don't have any good scumreads then I will be in favor of lynching a lurker.
Usually what seems to happen is town can't decide so they bandwagon on some lurker at the last second. I'm not against this since it keeps pressure on possible scum.
I don't like people to say oh we are definitely lynching a lurker d1, because then scum feels safe as long as they are somewhat active.
My willingness to lynch a lurker decreases as the game progresses. For example I think lynching a lurker d3 is really bad.
Message to scum:
I can smell you.
Question, how does bandwagoning onto a lurker last second keep pressure on scum? Also, you're not against this? Care to elaborate more on this, because it sounds like you saying switching votes last second is okay.Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Because the most active townie is tunneling me? Obviously I'm not going to be nk.
What they said ^
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 09:14 RemedySC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 02:47 corrosion wrote:
@Remedy
You made two posts without much content early on D1, and there's been nothing since then. You implied that you were going to contribute more than last game you played. So why don't you tell us about your reads so far? First the bolded part... Really?? Your three prior posts are screaming with content... /sarcasm off. Anyways the case on Kush looks pretty damning to me right now. I see no town motivation at all. There is maybe two posts that could be considered scum hunting, but he doesn't seem to be pursuing any more information from his "top scum reads" Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:.
Message to scum:
I can smell you.
Please kush, find some scum. If you are town that would be the best thing for you right now. Because right now, you have 3 pages of posts and very little indication on who you think is scum. Also he literally ignores Hapa's advice from the previous game. This kind of play won't work in regular games, why keep on with this attitude? Here is the post with the advice in question - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=75#1498You're not posting in a pro town manner at all this game.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 12:14 RemedySC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 12:03 kushm4sta wrote:
Honestly....im scummy as hell?
your 2 favorite phrases combined into 1.
I do play to win but I don't play for the town to win. I play for me to win. Just a different style is all. I don't care about a town I can't be a part of.
You can be a part of a town if you attempted it. The three main goals from Ver's mafia guide are - Show nested quote +1) Get useful information (often achieved via point 2)
2) Create an ideal atmosphere (will go over this in detail in town guide)
3) Figure out your plans/direction You are not creating an ideal atmosphere. Scum want the total opposite of those three points. I don't see any of those goals fitting you this game, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Until then though...##Vote Kushm4sta
Also I wasn't picking him apart for voting for him. I was picking him apart because his "reason" for voting Kush had nothing. Prior to this he called me out on no content, so you would think a guys calling someone else on no content would have a bit more than one poor reason. Because his second point has nothing to even do with Kush. Like seriously, read his reasons and tell me what you think. They make no sense for a town to base a vote on.
On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him.
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details.
3. Again I wasn't posting to defend Kush, Looking at Corrosion's filter, his first post about Kush is a case against DP, and looks to be defending Kush. Post in question -
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote:I'm just going to address the "fight" between Darth and Kush. I'm going to focus on Darth for now. Looking more closely into Kush's contribution is something I think should be done well ahead of lynch time. I'm actually going to start by telling about some thoughts I had after reading my role PM. I was trying to figure out what players town should be focusing on. I had obsed NMMXXVII, and came to the conclusion that it might be reasonable to go after any player except Kush. I figured that Kush was going to make a lot of posts anyway, so I was thinking that we could get a good analysis of him without any early pressure. One of the first things Darth did was to antagonize Kush: + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote:
@sonic
getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. I'm thinking that this could easily be an attempt to start a fight that would result in derailing the thread. Kush responded the way I expected him to, and these two posters exchanged arguments back and forth. In the middle of this, Darth made a remark against lurkers, but quickly changed his focus back on Kush. Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
So is everyone just going to drop their welcome posts and then afk? I don't see why he should make this comment at this time, since it wasn't going to get looked at while there was a fight going on. Shortly afterwards, Kush makes his supposed scum slip. Darth jumps on it, and shortly afterwards he posts about his previous mafia games. I've watched the game where he played cop, and seen that he and Shady argued a lot on D1. So I was thinking that this seems to be Darth's town meta. But I also asked myself why he did post about his previous games at this point in time. Maybe this was all intentional. Suppose he suddenly remembered that game. He might not have wanted people to look at those games earlier, but now he realized that if he posted them he would be able to establish a town read on himself. I'm not sure if this is a strong case against Darth at the moment. I would like some input from the more experienced players here. If Kush hadn't made that slip, I think the derailing argument would have looked strong. Now it doesn't look so strong, because we've actually gotten new information. I'm not saying that I'm sure the scum slip is an actual slip, but if it is and it results in a succesful lynch, I think town got very lucky. Scum usually wouldn't slip in such an obvious manner. His cases against Debears and Alsn are something that might reveal useful information, but I've not studied them closely yet. I still think that Kush seems more suspicious when everything is taken into consideration but with all the focus that has been on him, I'm sure someone else can post a decent case on him before we need to consider our first lynch.
Than his next two posts about Kush are him "thinking Kush" and than "voting as implied in last post"
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 07:17 corrosion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:50 Z-BosoN wrote:
corrosion, some issues with your post.
...
You're not seeing my points in the proper context. Now maybe you think my analysis is weak. I can understand that view. I haven't played in one of these before, so I'm not really good at seeing the difference between weak arguments and strong arguments. Some of the other posters in the thread encouraged new players to post, but maybe I should have waited awhile and tried to build a really solid case. Show nested quote +
Who are you more inclined to vote on and why? I can't tell by the wishy-washy tone of your post
I haven't made up mind yet, so I'll be voting tomorrow. I'm thinking Kush, but I'll browse the latest developments tomorrow and see if anything has changed by then.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 17:57 corrosion wrote:Good morning. I'm going to comment on a couple of things. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 10:59 DarthPunk wrote:Addressing a few things that stood out to me. Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote:
Darth jumps on it, and shortly afterwards he posts about his previous mafia games. I've watched the game where he played cop, and seen that he and Shady argued a lot on D1. So I was thinking that this seems to be Darth's town meta. But I also asked myself why he did post about his previous games at this point in time. Maybe this was all intentional. Suppose he suddenly remembered that game. He might not have wanted people to look at those games earlier, but now he realized that if he posted them he would be able to establish a town read on himself. So yeah I went back through the thread to address this specifically. I was asked to post my previous mafia games. and then I did. And now that is some sort of attempt for me to use my meta to clear myself? Right. ... You're absolutely right. I see that you posted links to your previous games only a few minutes after Debears requested it. I missed this because I was just looking through your filter and didn't keep enough attention on the thread itself. My bad. I'm going to look at Stutter's case against Kush and other recent developments. For now, I'll vote as I implied in my last post.##Vote Kushm4sta
Than after he votes, he says -
On September 29 2012 18:43 corrosion wrote:
Right now, I don't think the case is strong at all so I actually think people should focus more on their own reads and trying to find the best lynching candidate.
That took a while, any other questions?
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@RemedySC
Appreciate the response. I somewhat misinterpreted your goal in the post concerning Corrosion. Now that I look at it, the second reason for Corrosion's voting Kush is actually ridiculous.
On a side note - are most people in this game asleep when we are able to post? Seems that way. Time differences 
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Looks that way. Only other people in our time zone is Debears and maybe stutters?
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Debears yeah, Stutters I'm not sure. Anyways -- What do you think about Kush flipping red? Who do you think, considering this, is most suspicious?
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I'm in.EST. Sorry my school is playing a top 5 team in football so I've been in the other.room. I need to.go.through the thread now that we've seen that he actually was Scum. I'm having food but I'll check back.
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Hey. I am back. I fully expect to get killed tonight. So I will be making a post prior to the day post. I have 3 candidates That look seriously bad right now. But please, everyone make cases that I can comment on.
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On September 30 2012 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey. I am back. I fully expect to get killed tonight.
At least Kush was right, he won't get NK'd :p.
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Also this is why I don't like policy lynches/ talk of policy lynches. You can totally catch scum day one. In fact it has happened in my past 2 games.
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Can anyone guess who my 3 suspects are? GOGO.
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Debears is likely on the list... Either than that, I'm very curious.
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@DP
Alsn and Corrosion are your other two im betting.
I'm making a case on both, with corrosion first.
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On September 30 2012 10:37 debears wrote:
@DP
Alsn and Corrosion are your other two im betting.
I'm making a case on both, with corrosion first.
1/2
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you both get a cookie for guessing one right.
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DP, I don't see how that's hardly any helpful. Also, did you forget this?
On September 29 2012 13:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 13:17 Djodref wrote:Hey, guys ! I would like to bring up something that struck me in the post of corrosion about Darth. I didn't like this post in general because it didn't match my interpretations of the early events between Kush and Darth but I understand that our views can differ. But looking back at corrosion filter, he's trying to find scummy motivation for Darth to give his links to his previous game. Check the bolded part in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote:I'm just going to address the "fight" between Darth and Kush. I'm going to focus on Darth for now. Looking more closely into Kush's contribution is something I think should be done well ahead of lynch time. I'm actually going to start by telling about some thoughts I had after reading my role PM. I was trying to figure out what players town should be focusing on. I had obsed NMMXXVII, and came to the conclusion that it might be reasonable to go after any player except Kush. I figured that Kush was going to make a lot of posts anyway, so I was thinking that we could get a good analysis of him without any early pressure. One of the first things Darth did was to antagonize Kush: + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote:
@sonic
getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. I'm thinking that this could easily be an attempt to start a fight that would result in derailing the thread. Kush responded the way I expected him to, and these two posters exchanged arguments back and forth. In the middle of this, Darth made a remark against lurkers, but quickly changed his focus back on Kush. Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
So is everyone just going to drop their welcome posts and then afk? I don't see why he should make this comment at this time, since it wasn't going to get looked at while there was a fight going on. Shortly afterwards, Kush makes his supposed scum slip. Darth jumps on it, and shortly afterwards he posts about his previous mafia games. I've watched the game where he played cop, and seen that he and Shady argued a lot on D1. So I was thinking that this seems to be Darth's town meta. But I also asked myself why he did post about his previous games at this point in time. Maybe this was all intentional. Suppose he suddenly remembered that game. He might not have wanted people to look at those games earlier, but now he realized that if he posted them he would be able to establish a town read on himself. I'm not sure if this is a strong case against Darth at the moment. I would like some input from the more experienced players here. If Kush hadn't made that slip, I think the derailing argument would have looked strong. Now it doesn't look so strong, because we've actually gotten new information. I'm not saying that I'm sure the scum slip is an actual slip, but if it is and it results in a succesful lynch, I think town got very lucky. Scum usually wouldn't slip in such an obvious manner. His cases against Debears and Alsn are something that might reveal useful information, but I've not studied them closely yet. I still think that Kush seems more suspicious when everything is taken into consideration but with all the focus that has been on him, I'm sure someone else can post a decent case on him before we need to consider our first lynch. But Darth was just answering a request from debears ! + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 11:39 debears wrote:
As I said, I want a quick look at you first. Second, there isn't much more to add to what you said about it. It does give off the impression of extra information. I think corrosion was trying to cast scummy shadow on Darth to shift the focus on Kush. I did so by omitting/deforming some parts of the thread history. Also, he fits my definition of a semi-lurker trying to blend in. So, corrosion, until I got your explanations about this point, I got my eyes on you. ##FoS: corrosion Nice pick up. I already posted about this, But I assume you just picked it up as you were going through the thread. I was surprised no one else seemed to catch on to this. I would like some further elaboration on your kush vote as you have black flipped somewhat from your earlier position.
What made you change your mind?
+ Show Spoiler +Ok,ok, I can't resist a guessing game. My guts tell me omniscient 
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On September 30 2012 11:28 Z-BosoN wrote:DP, I don't see how that's hardly any helpful. Also, did you forget this? Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 13:24 DarthPunk wrote:On September 29 2012 13:17 Djodref wrote:Hey, guys ! I would like to bring up something that struck me in the post of corrosion about Darth. I didn't like this post in general because it didn't match my interpretations of the early events between Kush and Darth but I understand that our views can differ. But looking back at corrosion filter, he's trying to find scummy motivation for Darth to give his links to his previous game. Check the bolded part in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote:I'm just going to address the "fight" between Darth and Kush. I'm going to focus on Darth for now. Looking more closely into Kush's contribution is something I think should be done well ahead of lynch time. I'm actually going to start by telling about some thoughts I had after reading my role PM. I was trying to figure out what players town should be focusing on. I had obsed NMMXXVII, and came to the conclusion that it might be reasonable to go after any player except Kush. I figured that Kush was going to make a lot of posts anyway, so I was thinking that we could get a good analysis of him without any early pressure. One of the first things Darth did was to antagonize Kush: + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote:
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getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. I'm thinking that this could easily be an attempt to start a fight that would result in derailing the thread. Kush responded the way I expected him to, and these two posters exchanged arguments back and forth. In the middle of this, Darth made a remark against lurkers, but quickly changed his focus back on Kush. Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
So is everyone just going to drop their welcome posts and then afk? I don't see why he should make this comment at this time, since it wasn't going to get looked at while there was a fight going on. Shortly afterwards, Kush makes his supposed scum slip. Darth jumps on it, and shortly afterwards he posts about his previous mafia games. I've watched the game where he played cop, and seen that he and Shady argued a lot on D1. So I was thinking that this seems to be Darth's town meta. But I also asked myself why he did post about his previous games at this point in time. Maybe this was all intentional. Suppose he suddenly remembered that game. He might not have wanted people to look at those games earlier, but now he realized that if he posted them he would be able to establish a town read on himself. I'm not sure if this is a strong case against Darth at the moment. I would like some input from the more experienced players here. If Kush hadn't made that slip, I think the derailing argument would have looked strong. Now it doesn't look so strong, because we've actually gotten new information. I'm not saying that I'm sure the scum slip is an actual slip, but if it is and it results in a succesful lynch, I think town got very lucky. Scum usually wouldn't slip in such an obvious manner. His cases against Debears and Alsn are something that might reveal useful information, but I've not studied them closely yet. I still think that Kush seems more suspicious when everything is taken into consideration but with all the focus that has been on him, I'm sure someone else can post a decent case on him before we need to consider our first lynch. But Darth was just answering a request from debears ! + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 11:39 debears wrote:
As I said, I want a quick look at you first. Second, there isn't much more to add to what you said about it. It does give off the impression of extra information. I think corrosion was trying to cast scummy shadow on Darth to shift the focus on Kush. I did so by omitting/deforming some parts of the thread history. Also, he fits my definition of a semi-lurker trying to blend in. So, corrosion, until I got your explanations about this point, I got my eyes on you. ##FoS: corrosion Nice pick up. I already posted about this, But I assume you just picked it up as you were going through the thread. I was surprised no one else seemed to catch on to this. I would like some further elaboration on your kush vote as you have black flipped somewhat from your earlier position. What made you change your mind? + Show Spoiler +Ok,ok, I can't resist a guessing game. My guts tell me omniscient
Yeah. I agree it's not really helpful. But I am bored. and it is night. But no it's not Omniscient. Want me to reveal? and you know, be pro town?
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Crap =p
He was one that I haven't read the filters properly yet.
Gotta go with stutters then 
Anyways, please answer the bit on corrosion. It seemed earlier on that you thought he was coming off as scummy.
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