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prplhz could very well be scum. If he is, hapahauli is still town because he is defending him in a townie way. austinmcc is scum. I present the following post as evidence. On September 18 2012 06:55 austinmcc wrote: <3 everyone at all, but you need to look further. He's generally not being killed off for supersexy scumhunting, but because he comes off as very townie and is generating a lot of discussion/activity from others. His early reads, although I haven't read recent games, are not generally a big threat to mafia. I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. I very much agree with BH's case, but I need to read more. The only problem I have is austin's reaction as I feel like maybe we should just lynch him instead. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote: he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it. Confirms my post above. No scum would say this. | ||
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Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread. I will deny! iamperfection Hapahauli blazinghand Palmar Junglers Zephirdd Mementoss bluelightz prplhz Ange777 mkfuba07 5 carries on your team Marvellosity HiroPro austinmcc | ||
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On September 18 2012 23:48 Ange777 wrote: @Palmar: Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points. Because it's posted in such a matter-of-fact-I-don't-need-to-worry kind of way, he just posted another thing that looks good regarding mkfuba's school. he's basically being very straight up, which is townielike. | ||
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On September 19 2012 00:17 Zephirdd wrote: Meta. He's shown waaaay too much interest to be scum palmar Nothing in my filter suggests I'm town yet. I've only been confirmed town once so far, but you're not good enough to notice it, so why do you want to be my friend? | ||
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Do you want to kill marv? austin? Hiro? give me something. | ||
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On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote: No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier. Do you honestly think that this is a valid point? Should I just hold back my opinions because they don't match what's already going on? screw this, marv is scum. I'll prove it later ##vote marvellosity | ||
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Also irrelevant because we're lynching marvellosity today. On September 19 2012 05:59 Zephirdd wrote: and finally, his lynch provides nearly zero information "lynch for information" is a thing scum invented to make bad lynches happen. Never think about the "information" a lynch will give you again. Oh, I noticed you went on to vote imperfection who's like confirmed town. Start thinking, unless of course you're scum. | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote: P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? Possibly a joke, I wasn't in the game when this was written so I don't know how the mood was in the thread. The random lynch suggestion, while strange, bears no meaning to his alignment. This is important: When I joined the game marv had made exactly one post worth reading. It was a long-winded post but it had very little substance to it, at least for someone I would consider a good player. He basically rehashed the reasons why a case against hapahauli was bad (duh) and then proceeded to vote for a lurker. The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16286762 On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote: No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier. What I take from this post is that marv for some reason has a problem with me not following whatever trends are already happening in town. The bad thing about replacing in is that you miss a ton of important reactional stuff, the good thing is that you start with a completely unbiased point of view. I decided to post as I read through what had already happened in the game. So, marv's problem is essentially that I had my own point of view. Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"? It's a real problem when you're actively encouraging people to not read the thread objectively. Unless of course you're scum. On September 19 2012 02:28 marvellosity wrote: Palmar's play so far: 1. lol call 3 people scum for no reason 2. give out townreads to make self look townie (wow I can do this too, does this actually give town credit around here now? I should have known) 3. vote someone for no reason na, piss off Palmar. There is a marked difference between giving townreads for the hell of it, and giving town reads because it's applicable to give townreads. You already know that I hate it when people do the stupid "don't give your town reads" shit. On September 19 2012 05:34 marvellosity wrote: also, I'll answer you on Palmar if you can give me a coherent scum motivation behind my blatant OMGUS gogogo That's not how the game works, if it did you could just OMGUS every time and say "no scum would do that". I take your OMGUS as having almost nothing to do with your alignment, I take your attempt at using it to make you look like town based on that, as very, very indicative of you being scum. On September 19 2012 05:55 Hapahauli wrote: Seasoned players vote like that all the time, and I have yet to connect a mafia-mentality with prplhz. Weak sheeping from a seasoned player can absolutely be null. It's all got to do with how they sheep and why. Not the face-value of just sheeping. We need to kill marv today. Just for effect/emphasis ##Vote marvellosity | ||
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The attempt to discredit me for nothing other than throwing out ideas and calling it a valid point is terrible. It doesn't help that marv is agreeing with a point made by his previous scumread. | ||
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On September 19 2012 18:16 Ange777 wrote: @Blazinghand: Hapa unvoted marv previously and hasn't set his vote on anyone else yet. So we are missing two votes. @Palmar: THIS and I am still not sold on iamperfection's confirmed town status. Just because of the attitude he gave that statement in? How about his awful case on Zeph and the lack of any scum hunting activity from him since? Dude I make calls on little stuff all the time. All these textwalls mean nothing. To be completely fair, that little post I quoted from myself where I first voted marv was reason enough to kill him. I make a case so the derps can understand. Now be a good derp and vote for marv. | ||
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On September 19 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote: Palmar's entire shitty case is this: "marv is better than this, therefore he is scum". I have the case open in a separate tab to see if I need to respond to specific points, but I can find very little worth responding to. Yes, my tone changed, I got a bit heated. What of it? If you want to go down that road, it's something I'm far more likely to do as town. WIFOMy? Sure, but Palmar's entire case is WIFOMy. Anyone go find me a single example of me 'losing the plot' as scum - you won't be able to find an instance, I wager. Or NMM3 where I was actually scum and Palmar called me out and I just flat out ignored him. Again, you don't get to decide what makes you scummy or townie. I know that generally when I play scum I resort to calling cases/players bad because well, it's an easy way to brush aside the case itself and start a shitstorm instead. On September 19 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote: On the other hand, as town I have been known to self-vote (Movie Mafia) or go into a 24-48 hour funk (Bureaucracy, when Foolish called me scum for no reason, and it knocked me sideways until I recovered and realised Foolish was scum). "Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"?" Yeah except you gave very little reasoning for anything. You said austin is scum and provided one quote going "lol here's evidence" with no explanation of why the quote made him scum. You called Hiro scum with no reasoning, and ditto you laid a vote on me later with a one sentence explanation. That's pisspoor play, Palmar. No it's not pisspoor play, it's what I do when I'm not actively building cases. I never actually need much reasoning behind finding scum or town, generally I just read one little thing and that gives it away. Also stop using your own meta to defend yourself. I'm not using meta to build this case against you, it has nothing to do with what you've done in other games. It's what you're doing THIS game that I'm worried about. On September 19 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote: I will be filtering this afternoon to see who I particularly want to lynch. I don't care if you/people thought I was weird for liking Hiro's Palmar point; to me it was a perspective that I hadn't thought of at all and so it was interesting. Additionally Hiro's points on Hapa's contradictions were strong. Listening to contributions from a day 1 scumread who was mainly a scumread for not contributing is not scummy behaviour. I'm not sure if it's enough from austin to make me not want to lynch him, but at the moment I'm leaning towards austin. He's been very absent through critical discussions when I know he could have been active, and that's scummy play. | ||
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So if I do those things I'm confirmed town. what the hell. | ||
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This is why most people shouldn't use meta. The problem here is that you're simply looking at one action, and assuming it's valid to point that out. I never point to my own meta as town or scum because I know I'm perfectly capable of altering it. You seem to think that you getting angry should make me believe you're town, but since you're aware of it I consider it a null tell. In fact, you know I'm reasonable and good at this game, if you instead had opted for just laying out good cases and explanations of other people, instead of attempting to angry at me, I would've thought you're town. I'm not applying meta, I'm applying what's logical to do. There's only two options that make sense from a townie point of view when presented with an accusation like mine. One is to think I'm scum and present a case towards that end, or the other is to think I'm town and wrong, and in that case raging at me doesn't make much sense, should rather just go do something useful. I think you fucked up, and I think you've proven you're scum. | ||
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On September 19 2012 23:53 marvellosity wrote: because i'm not scum LAL | ||
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Wtf is this shit, prplhz is not scum look at his big post after he started caring. | ||
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Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses. mementoss is probably not scum. marv and austinmcc both have a good chance of being scum, but I feel considerably better about marv. It's also very strange how hard it is to get any kind of a train rolling against marv. I've already explained why this guy is the one that needs to hang today. Can we consolidate there, please? | ||
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I'll rather no-lynch than do a dumb lynch so see you guys later. | ||
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Anyway dumb lynch. I'll post later. | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote: okay prplhz list of reads: town: iamperfection blazing zephirdd hapa mementoss palmar townie/null: austinmcc mkfuba07 bluelightz scummy: ange777 hiropro scum: marv remember to lynch palmar at lylo | ||
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Always look at everything said by the people night killed by mafia. Do so critically, but usually there is a reason the people who died, die. I think marv needs to die tomorrow. If we have a vigilante, the safest targets are HiroPro and perhaps mkfuba07. Generally it's easier to shoot lurkers as they won't be missed. Hapahauli is confirmed town with no action so he should absolutely be protected tonight. However it's probably better that we assume there is a chance BlazingHand and I get protected because that might deter scum from shooting us. it's very unfortunate prplhz messed up the claim but once he did it I suppose there wasn't anything to do but lynch him. We could've ended up with 2 confirmed townies. I was pretty sure they were both town, especially hapa, but really prplhz too. The reason I didn't want to switch to austinmcc is that two of my strongest scumreads were already voting for him as I pointed out. Now there's obviously the chance that austin is an SK and I was just being a stubborn asshole, but with hiro and marv both trying to kill him, I saw very little reason to think he might flip scum. mementoss's interactions with blazinghand during the first moments of the game seem very straightforward and matter of fact. there is no sense of panic as he breaks down the points Blazinhand raised against him. The main reason I think he's town are the two big posts he came up with after I posted the case on marv. In both of them he's genuinely looking at the situation as it is, instead of as he wants it to be. His addition of mkfuba07 into the mix and the connections between marv and mkfuba is a very valuable addition to the thread, something I would not expect anyone that's scum to pick up on. It proves he's reading the thread with a lot of attention. Regarding my own meta, marv is using it in the wrong way, obviously. The problem is marv seems to have a lot of time to post, so read everything said and done for it's content, not for who is yelling the loudest. | ||
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Would you agree on lynching him? I don't have the time to write up a case now, but because mostly of weak presence and strange things I've noticed about him. | ||
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But maybe if I want to I will. But yeah, HiroPro has a much higher chance of flipping scum than Ange. | ||
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On September 21 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote: Yes, you do need to, because otherwise Ange will get lynched. And then we will lynch you next for being useless. Tell us how her actions around the lynch time can be viewed with a townie perspective. "No" simply isn't good enough. So let's say Ange gets lynched and flips town, are you going to try and lynch me for being useless. I don't think there's enough dumb players in this game. In fact, connecting an unrevealed lynch like that to me somehow is just reinforcing my belief that you should die today. You're basically already planning for the next move after Ange gets mislynched. Fuck that, I'm not allowing you to do that. ##Vote marvellosity @Restoftown: Here's a very simple reason for this vote. Marv just made a post where he's planning on how to proceed in the game without considering the results of his current plan right now, which is indicative of him having additional information that we don't have, ie already knowing how an Ange lynch will end. | ||
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I'll just be here on my wagon until anyone starts listening. | ||
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You see, by now you've spammed the thread hard enough that there is no chance that I'm ever going to actually get you lynched. I would actually much rather town lynched me than Ange, because at least then I've flipped, and people can start reading back to what I've said. My best chance of making something useful happen in this game is to just make sure that for when I'm dead people KNOW that I have been trying to get you lynched all the way through the game. Sure, I'd much rather people just listened early, also I thought prplhz would pull himself out of the hole, not botch the mason claim and die. Seriously, if anyone can read this and watch how you're somehow making me responsible for a terrible lynch that shouldn't have happened because I'm not loud enough. what the fuck. | ||
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ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory. hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town. It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear. don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time. | ||
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I don't think Ange777 is scum, and that's for the most part based on how he behaved towards me on day 1. The assumption here is that I've almost never seen inexperienced scum actually go out on a limb to attack me on day 1. I think I even mentioned somewhere on day 1 regarding Zephirdd where he was calling me town very early in my opinion. I gave a relatively trolly answer to Ange's inquiry about me not wanting to lynch prplhz. The reason I often do this is to try to bait emotional responses, but Ange didn't really do anything about it at all, here's the post he made after I responded with the matter of fact way I did. On September 19 2012 18:45 Ange777 wrote: Haha ... really funny. Care to explain why he isn't scum? And don't tell me cause he is town. I can't see much difference in marv's posting behaviour before and after that post. He seemd to have some time issues so I would say that the posting frequency changed and with that he had more possibilities to actually contribute. The whole point is he repeatedly kept trying to pick fights with both me and prplhz, two people that are known to be pretty strong scumhunters and relatively influential in any towns we're part of. It's just super unlikely that scum would choose to do that. What happened around the flip I basically wrote off as something excited newbies do when they think they have a surefire scumshot. And to be perfectly honest after the botched claim I would've voted prplhz, I just wasn't around at the time. Ange has posted a ton in the game, attacked numerous players and generally tried to stir up shit. It's very unlikely he's scum. | ||
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On September 23 2012 03:21 marvellosity wrote: That's ok. If Ange flips town you're scum. And whether you are scum or not, you're blind if you think palmar isn't scum. It's nice to see you're still doing well on the whole "insure my ass when a mislynch happens" front. I wonder how long just spamming throughout the game will take you. | ||
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Ideally we lynch marvellosity though. | ||
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The fact that he seems perfectly fine with actually not doing much and just sheeping the two most popular bandwagons isn' helping him at all. But just about everything he said on day 1 was done half-assedly and without any attempt whatsoever at convincing people of his reads, which basically were just sheeping off other people He did, like ange call me out, but in a completely different way. There was never any attempt at actually convincing anyone that i should be lynched or that he should be listened to. | ||
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On September 23 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: Does Ange's conduct at the time of the lynch concern you at all? How about her answers to which anthropomorphic mountains would be tallest and have the most wildlife? What happened at the lynch is basically that Ange celebrated early, then got mad and blamed it on someone else, without realizing he had basically done almost exactly the same thing, although his vote was on prplhz for a long time, if I recall correctly. | ||
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