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On September 18 2012 23:54 Sharrant wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote: I am so fucking sick of lurkers from last game. #1 They make the game shittier regardless of if they are scum. #2 They are 100% null reads all game long. You ask them a question and of course they aren't going to responsd because they post like 1 thing a day and dont even read the thread. #3 It gives scum safe people to accuse. Most of the time they aren't mafia but in the 2 games I played both of them had semi-lurker mafia. Lurker Policy: LYNCH ALL LURKERS, semilurkers at the top of the lynch list if we don't have a very strong scumread to bandwagon. This seems like reasonable logic. They do generally cause null reads on themselves. However, with point #3, we're making it so the mafia don't have to accuse them. We're already killing them for the mafia (provided lurkers are not mafia, but that's iffy either way). This is not a scummy post in my opinion, but this does help mafia and the SK provided they are active. On September 18 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: Sup guys I am kushmasta IRL name jake. I live in maine and go to college for chemical engineering. (think all that random shit you learned in chemistry applied to real world situations). No fluff zone: posting habits I probably will post a lot because I have no life. I work but my work is basically a study hall so I will be posting on my phone at work. That is why sometimes my spelling and formatting will be ass. experience I have 2 games played and I have won both games and never killed. So far I am unkilled and undefeated and I want to continue my streak so I will be tryharding this game, but not tryharding enough so I'm the best town and mafia kills me. Call it selfish but I dont want to die... @thrawn I know you have 3 games undefeated but you got killed by scum therefore you aren't as cool as me. I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU So I'm going to try to be more careful and have better analysis this game. Lynch time I will be around on my phone at least. I think deciding on a lynch at the last minute is a really powerful tool for town beacuse it makes scum panic and do stupid things. However that's really not possible with this mess of time zones we got going on here. Self preservation isn't necessarily scummy, blues require some amount of it to. Maybe it's something akin to ladder anxiety (my record is perfect, it must stay perfect!), or maybe he's giving himself a way out of not posting good reads. If you get killed by the mafia, you get killed by the mafia, you should be trying to contribute in the best way possible before that. In some cases that just be by trying to survive until you have information, and in others that might be putting out your best effort for scum hunting and just hoping they don't kill you. A numbers game says the latter is more likely. Underlined part seems sincere to me, makes me suspect townie. On September 18 2012 12:00 kushm4sta wrote: If you write 1 post a day but it's a brilliant epic post then that's cool with me. I can be realistic about people's busy schedules. And that is WAY better than a few little posts with no content. .. and I'm looking at you STUTTERS, DRAZAK, and ESPECIALLY CUBU who were all town last game but pretty trash town. And I like to attention whore esp day 1. and If you accuse me of being scum I will omgus and start a flame war with you just because im really sensitive and hate being called scum. drazak knows what I'm talking about. Im trying to play better this game though so f u thrawn. Reverses his stance on 1 post per day, first post was about how set he was to lynch anyone who single posts per day. Then suddenly goes after Stutters/Draz/Cubu. The "especially Cubu" makes his previous apology (the one that gave me a bit of a town read) smack of insincerity. Follow this up with the whole "OMGUS+flamewar", I'd generally just chalk it down to bad play (apparently he did this as town twice) but with everything else it makes me think scummy. On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote: @stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person. what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though. I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad Keeps on about NKs, and how badly he doesn't want to be NKed. It just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's trying his best to make it sound like town, but has no idea what a town player would talk about. On September 18 2012 20:56 kushm4sta wrote: In regards to thrawn's attack on sonic for his survey: @Sonic: Yeah that was based on mine, but I dont think to make a list and say "answer these or you're scum" is very productive. What I put up was just some suggestions for newer players to have something to talk about. I notice newbies never really know what to say d1. @Thrawn: I don't think sonic's survey is particularly scummy. He did the same thing last game. He was scum last game, sure, but I think it's just his MO for day one, scum or town. Also here is why I think sonic is town. I'm putting my reasoning in spoilers because admittedly it's pretty dumb: He was scum for the last 2 games. Do you really think marv would make him scum 3rd game in a row? It's possible but just feels unlikely to me. It's just as likely as anyone else being scum assuming the roles were determined off of random chance. That's such a weak thing to say that I wonder why you even included it. I think it's far too early to have a really good read on the situation, but the way he's played so far screams scum to me, but not mafia. Right now, my main read is on Kush, and it's that he's not mafia, and he's not town. I feel he is, in fact, the serial killer. If I were going to be really specific, I'd wager a serial killer that took detection immunity, and thus is the reason he's so worried about being NK'ed. So since we've had a few FoS's but no votes, allow me to cast the first vote ##Vote:kushm4sta Other reads I have right now aren't too strong, I have a weak idea that Thrawn and debears are town, and I'm bouncing back and forth between weak town and weak scum on SDM. I'd like to think he's town because so far he's amused me. Drazak is still undecided in my mind until he posts more. Defense of Sharrant's case against me Good...scumhunting...dude.. there I didn't flame. 1 You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking? I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine. And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him. I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive. 2 Keeps on about NKs, and how badly he doesn't want to be NKed. It just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's trying his best to make it sound like town, but has no idea what a town player would talk about. I "keep on about NKs" only because people are calling me out for that statement and I want to defend myself. I will stop talking about NK if you stop. But since you brought it up again let me talk more about my stance on nks: + Show Spoiler + I'm pretty sure last game sonic said it's honorable to be nked, I disagree with this statement because you significantly depreciate your value as town if you do not preserve that value till the end of the game. I think getting NKed indicates bad play for town, because you are making yourself a target. Why did I even bring it up? Bad idea probably judging by the reaction, but I wanted to give you guys some insight into my personal strategy, 3 Reverses his stance on 1 post per day, first post was about how set he was to lynch anyone who single posts per day. I never reversed my stance on anything. 1 post a day is not lurking if its a long post. Lynch lurkers, yes, but 1 post a day does not make you a lurker. @sharron Is there anything else you want me to address or is that it? Also please give more effort to organize your posts better. Singling out the different arguments made against me was quite hard. | ||
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On September 19 2012 02:37 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey kush I've yet to see you mention anything in the thread that looks scummy Beacuse my time is spent defending myself. Also im typing something give me time. | ||
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On September 19 2012 01:56 KillingTime wrote: + Show Spoiler + Thrawn - I don't think it is a major point, it is a short post - if someone thinks that FOS's are valuable day one, then please tell me why. I thought the discussions about Sonic's "survey" and Thrawns " lynch question" were dumb, which were the main things in the thread at that time. I think the other things that are on this page are more worth discussing though: I agree that Kush's statements about not wanting to die were dumb and anti-town. I haven't voted him yet though because a) I think the serial killer case, while I can follow the logic, is a huge overreach when we don't even know whether we have a serial killer. It would be equally plausible to argue that kush was trying to attract attention to himself with that kind of remark. b) Kush made a significant number of dumb comments at the start of XXVI and turned out to be town. That doesn't excuse these comments, but they are not enough on their own to make me think he is scum. I like sonic's last post on Debears though - For now my feeling is that Debears is mafia trying to blend into the thread. Debears who do you think is scum? For now: ##Vote:debears You dont like FOS is valuable d1? Well sorry I do. ##FOS Killingtime VOTE means you are willing to lynch someone. FOS just means you want to investigate them more. Like right now even though your latest post makes me go wtf that doesn't mean I would be comfortable with lynching you at this moment. You spend a paragraph saying that calling me the serial killer is a huge overreach, then you give your theories on it. If it's an overreach then why are you making wifom arguments about it? It looks like you are trying to fill space without contributing content. Then you agree with sonic, instead of making your own case. And vote for debears, completely based on 1 post from someone else and your "feeling" that he is trying to blend in. So you effectively set up two possible bandwagons you can ride on, myself and debears, without actually contributing anything yourself. Debears who do you think is scum? Did you read all his posts or just the last one? He has already said FOS sonic, and given some reasons although they were pretty shitty. To summarize: I am FOSing you because of your lack of content, your bandwagoning, and your last question to debears, which shifts the focus back to him about a stupid question he already answered. | ||
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I looked at this guy's filter again. And yeah it's fishy as hell. So now I'm less suspicious of killingtime, more suspicious of debears. First thing isn't it da bears not de bears?? His initial dickriding of thrawn strikes me as something that could just be indicative of newbie play. It's more productive to make cases against scum than cases for town, especially out of the blue when no one is even accusing the townie. But the latter is easier so it is very possible this is just a newb mistake. But in his latest post he simultaneously continues the dick ride and defends his right to dickride. Incoming possible scumslip: However, if you look at the motivations from a townie and mafia perspective, it doesn't make sense as a mafia post. There's little reward for the risk as mafia. Here's what I showed earlier. 1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea). 2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would "not" take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works. People really need to learn to specify antecedents btw. After about an hour of rereading I figured out that what he is actually saying here is that thrawn's retarded idea to lynch the last person who posts makes him town. He purports himself an expert on the "mafia perspective" even though this is his first game. I would like more explanation about this line specifically: 1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea). What do you mean mafia would "jump on him about the idea?" As in they would like or get mad at him for it? Are you saying that thinking that idea is bad makes you scum? | ||
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Let me direct everyone's attention to the end of debears last post: On September 19 2012 03:30 debears wrote: The post in thrawn's defense is already helping the town by presenting a discussion about my alignment. We are now making specific accusations. We can look at bandwagons as we get closer to lynch now. However, Sonic, I am still having trouble understanding why there isn't any logic in what thrawn and I do. 1 Only scum would pretend to be glad he was accused scum. He says the town is being helped by the discussion about his alignment. It's like him saying see I cant be scum because I'm happy about being accused. Seems desperate. 2 "Im still having trouble understanding why there isn't any logic in what thrawn and I do." HUH?? What is it that thrawn and you do? Kill townies at night? Why are you so incessant on grouping you and thrawn togther. | ||
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Even if you are town debears could still be scum. Have you ever heard of buddying? I read about it in some guide. Scum will pick a strong townie to buddy with so that the townie will defend him. They will pick someone who looks liek town so that they can seem like as well by attaching themselves. It's a common tactic for newbie scum. | ||
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Before you jump down my throat I know it's too early to call scum teams and this is pure speculation. | ||
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if anything it was an exaggeration and not a lie. I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing my scumteam theories, because while I think they help in looking for cases, they do not constitute a case. but I don't like being called a liar so here goes. drazak is connected by saying killing is more suspicious than debears. he says they can't both be mafia so therefore debears isn't mafia. That is the classic mafia defense..defending a teammate by attacking the attacker. and you have defended debears. So that was the basis for that comment. Is it a real case against you? no. Is it a lie though? also no. | ||
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Does this make you happy? ebwop Each of you are not defending each of you but you are each defending 1 of you. Why are being so defensive over what to me seems like semantics? | ||
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Wtf is sharrant talking about with this roleclaim? He thinks debears is mafia and wants him to roleclaim that he is mafia? Huh? @sharrant Can you explain this statement? If you mean you want him to roleclaim as blue that is pretty scummy. BTW I'm not as convinced that you are scum as thrawn and sonic so don't get all pissy with me. | ||
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look for a substantial post from me at like 10 pm. I will break down debears latest post and expand on my argument about why I think he's scummy. the second half of d1 is approaching and I think we should solidify our bandwagons instead of accusing people like thrawn who are just not gonna get lynched today. also why are so many people already voting sharron? His play is really stupid with the roleclaim call, but stupid play doesn't make you mafia. you think first time mafia would really be so confidently retarded like that? | ||
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On September 19 2012 09:46 thrawn2112 wrote: Because like you said we're halfway into d1 and it's time to start voting. Would he make a big mistake as first time mafia? Maybe? Who knows? The point is it happened. You also gotta look at his vote for debears. Ignore what your read on debears is and just look at that post. It's so washy washy.... Combine that with the role claim nonsense and that's why I'm voting for him. So wait I misunderstood. This is just his first game on TL not his first game. But he could be talking about IRL mafia. @Sharront Is this your first game of forum mafia? Thrawn I think you are referring to when sharrant voted for debears right after saying he's not the most suspicious person. People are misunderstanding how some people use ##vote. They use it like ##fos basically and just change their vote a bunch of times throughout the day. I do not think there is anything inherently scummy in that. | ||
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Case against debears recent post. On September 19 2012 07:21 debears wrote: + Show Spoiler + First thing, SDM Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 19 2012 05:13. Posts 355 Reading thrawn's explanations and looking back at Debears filter it's possible he understood thrawn's plan That was what I was going for. Obviously, I poorly worded that part cuz it didn't get through. Also, at the time I made the thrawn defense post, I did not want to repeat what every1 else was saying. I saw that you were criticizing thrawn for doing something similar and it looked odd to me. Thus, I decided to question you. Once you kept saying you didn't see the logic, I tried to explain it. @Kush Why are you trying so hard to associate drazak, thrawn, and me. Understandly, my earlier posts would link me and thrawn. However, drazak does not come anywhere into play. Look at my filter there is one post about drazak. + Show Spoiler + debears United States. September 18 2012 22:42. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote Edit # filter To me, thrawn is giving a town read at this point. + Show Spoiler + A couple of you (SDM for instance) are concentrating at how stupid an idea lynching the last person is. Let's look at motivations for this: 1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea). 2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works. The idea has far superior town motives. remember that Thrawn didn't linger on the idea. He dropped it after the responses were pretty clear on it. SDM did + Show Spoiler + I think Thrawn has sufficiently answered the question. I also believe that thrawn's defense of kush earlier was not indicative of scum. + Show Spoiler + The argument that Remedy was more of a shot in the dark, seeing as all of us hate lurkers. Thrawn dismissed a possibly dumb argument before a giant flame war started (kush did give warning earlier). I also support thrawn's logic with drazak: + Show Spoiler + Thrawn is currently not timid about calling people out within reason. To add to the argument, drazak's post also sounds indecisive. might, maybe, probably, think. While that alone is not anywhere near enough to condemn someone, it does raise suspicion on drazak. @sharrant and kush I find it odd how both are you are playing right now. Kush is lieing (and btw my main critic was SDM and not KillingTime). And this: + Show Spoiler + Sharrant Canada. September 19 2012 05:58. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote # filter On September 19 2012 05:26 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + Well that bolded part is just a straight up lie. I don't see how drazak fits into your theory... I was the first one to call drazak out on his unreasonably defensive post and I've never defended him. So once again, is the only reason you think I'm scum because of your debears association case? Show nested quote + Ok Sharrant that is a ridiculous vote. You start out saying "debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me" and say his defense of me "was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion." Then you vote for him and say "there's a good chance he flips scum" and you're "not convinced he's mafia" after saying his defense of me was a null read. So, what exactly is your read on him and if you don't have a read then why are you voting for him? All I see is a bunch of "he may be scum" and "he is a null read." That's a ridiculous vote? You pick choice words out to discredit what I said, and try to make it personal. I'm fairly convinced the two of you are mafia after that. You know who I think is most suspicious, that hasn't been a secret. This has been mentioned in every post that Kush is my number one target, but that's not going anywhere. I think you should re-read my post. Several times even. Yes, his defense of you wasn't particularly strong either way in and of itself, that's what I said. That's one moment of his play, and you jumped all over that. So Kush is number one on your list. Makes sense that you would vote for him yet: + Show Spoiler + At the same time, debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me, his defense of Thrawn could be scummy, or it might not be. It was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion. However, there is getting to be a large web of people involved with debears either way. ##unvote Kushm4sta ##vote debears So I'm not the most suspicious, yet I"m the one you vote for. And, not only that, you are going after me. Funny how you agree with kush, the person you most suspect for mafia, on that. And another thing that raised my eyebrows was how quickly you gave up on attacking kush although you still think he is sk: + Show Spoiler + Sharrant Canada. September 19 2012 03:14. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote # filter On September 19 2012 02:09 kushm4sta wrote: Defense of Sharrant's case against me Good...scumhunting...dude.. there I didn't flame. 1 You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking? I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine. And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him. I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive. It was just a couple of words, but it is all in the wording. It was the whole underlined, bolded, italicized call out of him. I agree that lurkers need a kick in the pants to start posting more. I'd like to see more posts from Cubu, Stutters, and Killing Time specifically. You've taken a few steps on the road to seeming town to me, but it's a long journey for you, I'm still sticking with my first call. 2 Show nested quote + I "keep on about NKs" only because people are calling me out for that statement and I want to defend myself. I will stop talking about NK if you stop. But since you brought it up again let me talk more about my stance on nks: + Show Spoiler + And if you're afraid to make yourself a target, then you don't put up as much as you can. NKs provide can provide just as much information as lynches can. On the first read through of your post, I was more convinced of your townieness. But your "I only talk about NKs because you guys talk about! But I'm going to talk about it again, and then say how it was a bad idea to talk about it in the first place." that's put me in an odd spot. It sends real mixed signals to me. 3 Show nested quote + I never reversed my stance on anything. 1 post a day is not lurking if its a long post. Lynch lurkers, yes, but 1 post a day does not make you a lurker. @sharron Is there anything else you want me to address or is that it? Also please give more effort to organize your posts better. Singling out the different arguments made against me was quite hard. I'll take this one as a misinterpretation of your wording earlier. You have the benefit of the doubt there, I retract that point from before. I think my post was more than adequately formatted, every point I called you on was bolded, every town read you gave was underlined, each point was addressed immediately afterwards, and was followed by a concise conclusion. If you have a suggestion on how to better format my posts, do tell. You've gained some leniency, in that I know have more of a doubt that you might just be a townie who just sort of blurts out whatever they're thinking, but my vote stays on you for now until you post your own scum reads. But I appreciate that you are remaining civil, I think it helps the town out more. KillingTime, you're starting to come up on my radar more and more. You seem to be riding coat tails, and posting a recap, rather than analysis of events, and then you come out swinging at debears based off of very, very little. People I would like to hear more from: debears, KillingTime, Rethos, Jacob You're all up there because I would like to get a better read on you, or I'd like to know more about your opinions. People I need to hear more from: Atreides, Cubu, Drazak, Remedy, Stutters And you're all up here because you're either suspicious, or lurking. My current suspicions are Kush (SK, possibly blue or self important green), KillingTime/debears (One of these two is mafia I think, more likely KT), Stutters (Maf, low content, low posts) We need to operate under the impression that among ourselves is not just the mafia, but a serial killer. It changes reads on people by an incredible amount. There's too many strategies open to an idependant killer if we don't also try to address them in our scum hunting. You basically stated that you are leaving kush alone. Yet you hide it in a mass of text about formatting. The rest of the post is you telling people who need to post. I liked the kush SK notion, but your current activity isn't making much sense. There are several points in this post where debears directly copies thrawn's arguments without backing them up. @Kush Why are you trying so hard to associate drazak, thrawn, and me. Understandly, my earlier posts would link me and thrawn. However, drazak does not come anywhere into play. Look at my filter there is one post about drazak. I'm not trying hard. I wrote one sentence bringing up that possibility, people asked me about it, and I answered them. If anything I was trying hard to get people to drop it. This is beating a dead horse to a bloody pulp. Either he didn't read my posts, or he is doing it on purpose. Scum loves shit like this because they can get a lot of scumhunt mileage over something that contributes nothing. (Kind of like getting on someone's ass for voting instead of fosing..) Basically he is copying thrawns argument directly without expanding on it or even explaining it, and he doesn't acknowledge my answers to thrawn. Kush is lieing. I'm lying about? Again this is a repeat of something thrawn said. With nothing to back it up or anything. Just randomly throwing down some baseless suspicion.The dick riding has continued, only instead of actually defending thrawn, he just copies all his claims and leaves out of the logic behind them. | ||
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