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On September 18 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote:
I am so fucking sick of lurkers from last game.
#1 They make the game shittier regardless of if they are scum.
#2 They are 100% null reads all game long. You ask them a question and of course they aren't going to responsd because they post like 1 thing a day and dont even read the thread.
#3 It gives scum safe people to accuse.
Most of the time they aren't mafia but in the 2 games I played both of them had semi-lurker mafia.
Lurker Policy: LYNCH ALL LURKERS, semilurkers at the top of the lynch list if we don't have a very strong scumread to bandwagon.
This seems like reasonable logic. They do generally cause null reads on themselves. However, with point #3, we're making it so the mafia don't have to accuse them. We're already killing them for the mafia (provided lurkers are not mafia, but that's iffy either way). This is not a scummy post in my opinion, but this does help mafia and the SK provided they are active.
On September 18 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote:
Sup guys I am kushmasta IRL name jake. I live in maine and go to college for chemical engineering. (think all that random shit you learned in chemistry applied to real world situations).
No fluff zone:
posting habits
I probably will post a lot because I have no life. I work but my work is basically a study hall so I will be posting on my phone at work. That is why sometimes my spelling and formatting will be ass.
experience
I have 2 games played and I have won both games and never killed. So far I am unkilled and undefeated and I want to continue my streak so I will be tryharding this game, but not tryharding enough so I'm the best town and mafia kills me. Call it selfish but I dont want to die...
@thrawn I know you have 3 games undefeated but you got killed by scum therefore you aren't as cool as me.
I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU
So I'm going to try to be more careful and have better analysis this game.
Lynch time
I will be around on my phone at least.
I think deciding on a lynch at the last minute is a really powerful tool for town beacuse it makes scum panic and do stupid things. However that's really not possible with this mess of time zones we got going on here.
Self preservation isn't necessarily scummy, blues require some amount of it to. Maybe it's something akin to ladder anxiety (my record is perfect, it must stay perfect!), or maybe he's giving himself a way out of not posting good reads. If you get killed by the mafia, you get killed by the mafia, you should be trying to contribute in the best way possible before that. In some cases that just be by trying to survive until you have information, and in others that might be putting out your best effort for scum hunting and just hoping they don't kill you. A numbers game says the latter is more likely.
Underlined part seems sincere to me, makes me suspect townie.
On September 18 2012 12:00 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
Also, wtf kush. "Honestly I think once a day is okay IF your posts are good" after you talk about how much you hate lurkers?
If you write 1 post a day but it's a brilliant epic post then that's cool with me. I can be realistic about people's busy schedules. And that is WAY better than a few little posts with no content. .. and I'm looking at you STUTTERS, DRAZAK, and ESPECIALLY CUBU who were all town last game but pretty trash town. Show nested quote +I'll write you an intro. Hey everyone this is kush. Judging off his username I suspcet he is a fellow lover of the ganja, which probably explains a lot of his posts. He says whatever comes to mind, and in the games I played with him he said a lot of very scummy sounding things as a townie. So basically expect to be confused. He likes going for crazy ballsy plays which often is the reason why I always thought he was town, as scum would have to be crazy to do those things. And I like to attention whore esp day 1. and If you accuse me of being scum I will omgus and start a flame war with you just because im really sensitive and hate being called scum. drazak knows what I'm talking about.Im trying to play better this game though so f u thrawn.
Reverses his stance on 1 post per day, first post was about how set he was to lynch anyone who single posts per day. Then suddenly goes after Stutters/Draz/Cubu. The "especially Cubu" makes his previous apology (the one that gave me a bit of a town read) smack of insincerity. Follow this up with the whole "OMGUS+flamewar", I'd generally just chalk it down to bad play (apparently he did this as town twice) but with everything else it makes me think scummy.
On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person.
what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.
I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad
Keeps on about NKs, and how badly he doesn't want to be NKed. It just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's trying his best to make it sound like town, but has no idea what a town player would talk about.
On September 18 2012 20:56 kushm4sta wrote:
In regards to thrawn's attack on sonic for his survey:
@Sonic: Yeah that was based on mine, but I dont think to make a list and say "answer these or you're scum" is very productive. What I put up was just some suggestions for newer players to have something to talk about. I notice newbies never really know what to say d1.
@Thrawn: I don't think sonic's survey is particularly scummy. He did the same thing last game. He was scum last game, sure, but I think it's just his MO for day one, scum or town.
Also here is why I think sonic is town. I'm putting my reasoning in spoilers because admittedly it's pretty dumb:
He was scum for the last 2 games. Do you really think marv would make him scum 3rd game in a row? It's possible but just feels unlikely to me.
It's just as likely as anyone else being scum assuming the roles were determined off of random chance. That's such a weak thing to say that I wonder why you even included it.
I think it's far too early to have a really good read on the situation, but the way he's played so far screams scum to me, but not mafia. Right now, my main read is on Kush, and it's that he's not mafia, and he's not town. I feel he is, in fact, the serial killer. If I were going to be really specific, I'd wager a serial killer that took detection immunity, and thus is the reason he's so worried about being NK'ed.
So since we've had a few FoS's but no votes, allow me to cast the first vote ##Vote:kushm4sta
Other reads I have right now aren't too strong, I have a weak idea that Thrawn and debears are town, and I'm bouncing back and forth between weak town and weak scum on SDM. I'd like to think he's town because so far he's amused me. Drazak is still undecided in my mind until he posts more.
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On September 18 2012 23:37 debears wrote:First of all, kush already requested that information. + Show Spoiler + kushm4sta United States. September 18 2012 11:18. Posts 302 PM Profile Quote #
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On September 18 2012 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yeah I agree, there's not much else to add other than that lurkers are assholes and they are going to lurk whether there is strong support of a lurker lynch policy or not... especially in these newbie games.
So on to more important matters, here's an idea:
last person in the thread gets lynched
discuss?
Terrible idea? Since we prob have liek 3 different time zones.
Biggest lurker gets lynched is a better plan but still not that great.
A lot of noobs are pretty lost about what to do day 1.
Here are my suggestions for discussion topics:
1 discuss lurker policy. I know you are bored with it or whatever, thrawn, but for peopel to say how they feel about lurkers and if they want to lynch them or let them lurk (both are viable strategies imo) gives us a baseline for FOSing people that go back on their lurker policy.
Like what if a scum says lynch all lurkers, then one of the scumbuddies turns out to be the biggest lurker. That puts him in a bad position that he could avoid without lurker policy discussion.
2 I think we should discuss a plan for how to spend time.
Here is my proposed plan: Freely making cases against anyone you think is scum in the first 24 hours of the day, then focusing on a couple of the biggest bandwagons in the second 24 hours.
Do you like this plan or do you have a better one? I would a more systematic scumhunt this game though.
3 Give an introduction of yourself. How experienced are you? Are you a total noob or have you obsed some games?
Very important IMO is will you be around for lynch time? That's 9 pm normal time btw if you are new. How active do you plan on being. Honestly I think once a day is okay IF your posts are good. I didn't really make the post because I thought this information was super important, I just made a joke of the series of question in Kush's post (he basically posed all the same questions). Here you state yourself that the post was basically worthless. It accomplished the same thing kush's questions did. It's repetition.
Yes. This is just rehashing what I stated in my last post. It was mostly just a joke and it was meant to be taken as a joke.
On September 18 2012 23:37 debears wrote:The list did generate some discussion, as did thrawn's lynch the last poster idea by the way Show nested quote +So this was serious? It's a mind numbingly stupid idea. Unless you're scum and suggest it for an easy d1 town lynch. It's very easy to coordinate your scum team not to be the last one in the thread and you get away with an easy lynch. Since you don't seem mind numbingly stupid and it was a serious idea, it's scummy.
Oddly, you want to accuse thrawn for posting something stupid that started discussion, yet you go on and do the same. FOS Sonic
This is kind of a valid question. My first response to thrawn's post was:
On September 18 2012 15:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yeah I agree, there's not much else to add other than that lurkers are assholes and they are going to lurk whether there is strong support of a lurker lynch policy or not... especially in these newbie games.
So on to more important matters, here's an idea:
last person in the thread gets lynched
discuss? Is this question serious?
The reason I asked was because it was so stupid I thought it probably wasn't*. If it was serious however, I wanted him to confirm it before I attacked it, because otherwise he could've said "it was obviously not serious I just wanted to get the thread moving". Now he claims the question was serious but the idea was not, which I find kind of weird, but I guess my first question could've been more specific. I also find it weird that he claims attacking his stupid question would be a scum trait. To me it seems like it's a serious breakdown in logic so I'd want him to explain his reasoning.
*I expected most people to have the same reactions to my survey post, in my mind it was an obvious joke
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I don't understand the point of FoS'ing on day 1 - no-one has a huge list of strong scum reads and you can change your vote at any time. If you think someone is scum then you should vote for them, if you are not sure or looking to pressure than a vote is also a much better way to do that than a FOS which at best is just going to cause scum to play more carefully.
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sharrant. good post. I like the reasoning on kush as sk. I would like to see what he has to say about it in response. Although he stated he did not want to be the super active best townie to avoid nk, he was quite active last night and led discussion.
One thing I would like clarification on from kush:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 20:56 kushm4sta wrote:
In regards to thrawn's attack on sonic for his survey:
@Sonic: Yeah that was based on mine, but I dont think to make a list and say "answer these or you're scum" is very productive. What I put up was just some suggestions for newer players to have something to talk about. I notice newbies never really know what to say d1.
@Thrawn: I don't think sonic's survey is particularly scummy. He did the same thing last game. He was scum last game, sure, but I think it's just his MO for day one, scum or town.
Also here is why I think sonic is town. I'm putting my reasoning in spoilers because admittedly it's pretty dumb:
He was scum for the last 2 games. Do you really think marv would make him scum 3rd game in a row? It's possible but just feels unlikely to me.
Kush, the part in the messed up spoiler makes no sense if the game is random. Are the teams actually random? I did not see anything saying in the intro that they are random. If someone could quote the text that confirms that would be great.
Now, it seems to me that you were trying to say that sonic is town because he is repeating his play as scum from last game. Do you believe SDM would try the same strategy again if he is indeed mafia?
@ Sonic
+ Show Spoiler +Now he claims the question was serious but the idea was not To me, you are cherrypicking the wording and making it a bigger deal than it is. His intention was to gauge others' reactions to the post for a possible scum lead. Although the idea of actually lynching the last person is stupid, the idea of looking at everyone's reactions to the last poster lynch has some town merit. I also find it weird that he claims attacking his stupid question would be a scum trait Are you talking about me or thrawn here? thrawn2112 United States. September 18 2012 17:00. Posts 1077 PM Profile Blog Quote #
I was trying to move the discussion past the mostly useless lurker policy talk circlejerk while providing easy bait for scum to jump at. I kinda failed in the first aspect but you seem to have jumped at the bait stronger than anyone else. This explanation confirmed what I thought he was doing in the first place. As you said, it seemed like a breakdown in logic to you, Sonic. I can see why since it wasn't an in depth look. However, if you look at the motivations from a townie and mafia perspective, it doesn't make sense as a mafia post. There's little reward for the risk as mafia. Here's what I showed earlier. 1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea). 2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would " not" take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works. btw i added in not in quotations. typo on my part from earlier.
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On September 19 2012 00:35 KillingTime wrote:
I don't understand the point of FoS'ing on day 1
##Fos KillingTime
Nice contribution to the thread. Do you really think that's something worth talking about when there are already lots of other discussions going on?
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posting on the phone. marv made it seem like in pregame chatter that roles aren't random. so that gives me an innate doubt that sonic would roll mafia again. however I put it in spoilers because I don't believe a case should ever be based on that
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Roles were RNG, pregame banter was just banter
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On September 18 2012 22:42 debears wrote:To me, thrawn is giving a town read at this point. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler + thrawn2112
Yeah I agree, there's not much else to add other than that lurkers are assholes and they are going to lurk whether there is strong support of a lurker lynch policy or not... especially in these newbie games.
So on to more important matters, here's an idea:
last person in the thread gets lynched A couple of you (SDM for instance) are concentrating at how stupid an idea lynching the last person is. Let's look at motivations for this: 1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea). 2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works. The idea has far superior town motives. remember that Thrawn didn't linger on the idea. He dropped it after the responses were pretty clear on it. SDM did + Show Spoiler +Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 18 2012 15:12.
Is this question serious? I think Thrawn has sufficiently answered the question. I also believe that thrawn's defense of kush earlier was not indicative of scum. + Show Spoiler + thrawn2112 United States. September 18 2012 12:36. Posts 1077
So him having that anti-lurker opinion is not anything that would be a strong tell in either the town or mafia direction The argument that Remedy was more of a shot in the dark, seeing as all of us hate lurkers. Thrawn dismissed a possibly dumb argument before a giant flame war started (kush did give warning earlier). I also support thrawn's logic with drazak: + Show Spoiler +thrawn2112 United States. September 18 2012 14:45. Posts 1077
On September 18 2012 13:49 drazak wrote:
I'm already accused of being trashy town? Really Kush? Man, you're prejudiced right off the bat. I know you can post while you're at work and stuff, but I can't post in class and I can't post when I'm tutoring people. If you'd like I can sleep-post and it'll be really bad. Sorry if my posts last game weren't up to your posting standard kush.
For the record, I might not post consistently at different times, and maybe I'll push agressively against someone, my reasons will usually be good. I'd ask that people use their own logic after reading my posts, look at the evidence provided and use your logic. Last game we had a lot of people not thinking for themselves, I'll be going to bed soon so don't expect another post from me. I'll probably post in the morning, and I think I'll post before tutoring, but I don't think I'll be posting until maybe this time tomorrow again after that.
My thoughts while reading this: "man this guy is going out of his way to defend himself when there's no need to"
Thrawn is currently not timid about calling people out within reason. To add to the argument, drazak's post also sounds indecisive. might, maybe, probably, think. While that alone is not anywhere near enough to condemn someone, it does raise suspicion on drazak. I think thrawn is town. Anyone with evidence pointing otherwise, please present.
Your hardcore defense of thrawn is suspicious and it seems to lack logic. Making a strong town read, especially this early on, is really stupid and anti-town because it makes this person more comfortable, whereas asking more questions will induce more information (information is always good, as it can be used for scum and town reading).
You're going thru all thrawn's posts and try to rationalize them from a town perspective. Having played as scum in my last two games and now experiencing the confusion that is townie, this looks like someone having full information. I can't believe someone without extra information would be willing to actually draw this conclusion based on a handful of early d1 posts. Cockriding one of the most respected player in the field (especially if thrawn = town) is a very convenient scum strategy, as it makes you less likely to be suspected and is an easy way to blend in.
On September 18 2012 22:42 debears wrote:
A couple of you (SDM for instance) are concentrating at how stupid an idea lynching the last person is. Let's look at motivations for this:
1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea).
2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works.
The idea has far superior town motives.
About 1), how is asking a question about lurking going to prevent lurker discussions? How is people calling him an idiot going to gain information?
About 2), the same argument can be made about my post, but I'm not going to make it because it's not very reliable.
On September 18 2012 22:42 debears wrote:
I think Thrawn has sufficiently answered the question.
He said that it was bait for scum. I don't get how that "argument" convinced you.
On September 18 2012 22:42 debears wrote:I also believe that thrawn's defense of kush earlier was not indicative of scum. + Show Spoiler + thrawn2112 United States. September 18 2012 12:36. Posts 1077
So him having that anti-lurker opinion is not anything that would be a strong tell in either the town or mafia direction The argument that Remedy was more of a shot in the dark, seeing as all of us hate lurkers. Thrawn dismissed a possibly dumb argument before a giant flame war started (kush did give warning earlier).
Do you think stifling discussion and questionings is good for town? Shots in the dark is what gets this game going d1. Unless someone stumbles into the thread with a total scum slip, that's all we got and that's from where we need to build.
On September 18 2012 22:42 debears wrote:I also support thrawn's logic with drazak: + Show Spoiler +thrawn2112 United States. September 18 2012 14:45. Posts 1077
On September 18 2012 13:49 drazak wrote:
I'm already accused of being trashy town? Really Kush? Man, you're prejudiced right off the bat. I know you can post while you're at work and stuff, but I can't post in class and I can't post when I'm tutoring people. If you'd like I can sleep-post and it'll be really bad. Sorry if my posts last game weren't up to your posting standard kush.
For the record, I might not post consistently at different times, and maybe I'll push agressively against someone, my reasons will usually be good. I'd ask that people use their own logic after reading my posts, look at the evidence provided and use your logic. Last game we had a lot of people not thinking for themselves, I'll be going to bed soon so don't expect another post from me. I'll probably post in the morning, and I think I'll post before tutoring, but I don't think I'll be posting until maybe this time tomorrow again after that.
My thoughts while reading this: "man this guy is going out of his way to defend himself when there's no need to"
Thrawn is currently not timid about calling people out within reason. To add to the argument, drazak's post also sounds indecisive. might, maybe, probably, think. While that alone is not anywhere near enough to condemn someone, it does raise suspicion on drazak.
Drazak comes across as overly defensive, true. I'll await for his answers before posting any more thoughts atm.
On September 18 2012 22:42 debears wrote:
I think thrawn is town. Anyone with evidence pointing otherwise, please present.
No kidding. The question is why you'd want to make such a lengthy town defense this early. In what way do you think this will benefit town?
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On September 19 2012 00:44 debears wrote:To me, you are cherrypicking the wording and making it a bigger deal than it is. His intention was to gauge others' reactions to the post for a possible scum lead. Although the idea of actually lynching the last person is stupid, the idea of looking at everyone's reactions to the last poster lynch has some town merit.
I'm questioning his motives. In the last game thrawn seemed like logical poster and his reasonings here makes no sense to me. This game isn't about telling eachother about how awesome they are, it's about pushing for information. Even IF something thrawn has said makes me think he might be town (not saying that he has), that's not what I'm going to bring up at this point. It's counter productive.
On September 19 2012 00:44 debears wrote:Show nested quote + I also find it weird that he claims attacking his stupid question would be a scum trait Are you talking about me or thrawn here?
Thrawn.
On September 19 2012 00:44 debears wrote:
This explanation confirmed what I thought he was doing in the first place. As you said, it seemed like a breakdown in logic to you, Sonic. I can see why since it wasn't an in depth look. However, if you look at the motivations from a townie and mafia perspective, it doesn't make sense as a mafia post. There's little reward for the risk as mafia. Here's what I showed earlier.
1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea).
2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would "not" take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works.
btw i added in not in quotations. typo on my part from earlier.
Addressed in my last post.
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Thrawn - I don't think it is a major point, it is a short post - if someone thinks that FOS's are valuable day one, then please tell me why. I thought the discussions about Sonic's "survey" and Thrawns " lynch question" were dumb, which were the main things in the thread at that time.
I think the other things that are on this page are more worth discussing though:
I agree that Kush's statements about not wanting to die were dumb and anti-town. I haven't voted him yet though because a) I think the serial killer case, while I can follow the logic, is a huge overreach when we don't even know whether we have a serial killer. It would be equally plausible to argue that kush was trying to attract attention to himself with that kind of remark. b) Kush made a significant number of dumb comments at the start of XXVI and turned out to be town. That doesn't excuse these comments, but they are not enough on their own to make me think he is scum.
I like sonic's last post on Debears though - For now my feeling is that Debears is mafia trying to blend into the thread. Debears who do you think is scum?
For now:
##Vote:debears
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Sonic the reason why I don't buy that your survey was you as town making a joke is becuase of the line "not answering will make you look scummy." That looks like you were seriously expecting a response from everyone and that you didn't want the survey to be taken lightly. It's been pointed out that we are kinda doing the same thing (accusing each other because of us presenting bad ideas for town to respond to) however the situations aren't that similar. You yourself have pointed out that my idea was so extremly dumb that it couldn't have been a genuine question. My explanation of that question is that it was scum bait... do you really think that it's more likely that I threw it out as scum trying to get town to agree to it? And your survey as I've already said didn't look like a joke and it fit your past scum actions of presenting fluffly ideas for town to follow so you could appear like a useful townie.
I will give you a little bit of slack because I did lead you on by answering that it was in fact a serious question, so I can see why you as town would think that I was either giving an extremely terrible idea as town which isn't likely, or that I was saying something dumb as scum which I guess you could've seen as more likely. However seeing the lengths you went to to use that post against me, when it was obviously a really dumb idea regardless of my alignment, I still think you were attacking me with scum motives.
In one of your recent posts you attacked someone for defending me, which makes sense if you are town and seeing debears post as a scum trying to protect their fellow scum partner. So overall, your position on my scum-o-meter is a little lower than it was but you're still up there.
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On September 19 2012 01:56 KillingTime wrote:
I like sonic's last post on Debears though - For now my feeling is that Debears is mafia trying to blend into the thread. Debears who do you think is scum?
For now:
##Vote:debears
Killing are you for real? You make a post devoid of content which I call you out for, then in your next post you actually start talking about current discussion but then you make a vote for someone based on a single sentence of justification?
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On September 18 2012 23:54 Sharrant wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote:
I am so fucking sick of lurkers from last game.
#1 They make the game shittier regardless of if they are scum.
#2 They are 100% null reads all game long. You ask them a question and of course they aren't going to responsd because they post like 1 thing a day and dont even read the thread.
#3 It gives scum safe people to accuse.
Most of the time they aren't mafia but in the 2 games I played both of them had semi-lurker mafia.
Lurker Policy: LYNCH ALL LURKERS, semilurkers at the top of the lynch list if we don't have a very strong scumread to bandwagon. This seems like reasonable logic. They do generally cause null reads on themselves. However, with point #3, we're making it so the mafia don't have to accuse them. We're already killing them for the mafia (provided lurkers are not mafia, but that's iffy either way). This is not a scummy post in my opinion, but this does help mafia and the SK provided they are active. On September 18 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote:
Sup guys I am kushmasta IRL name jake. I live in maine and go to college for chemical engineering. (think all that random shit you learned in chemistry applied to real world situations).
No fluff zone:
posting habits
I probably will post a lot because I have no life. I work but my work is basically a study hall so I will be posting on my phone at work. That is why sometimes my spelling and formatting will be ass.
experience
I have 2 games played and I have won both games and never killed. So far I am unkilled and undefeated and I want to continue my streak so I will be tryharding this game, but not tryharding enough so I'm the best town and mafia kills me. Call it selfish but I dont want to die...
@thrawn I know you have 3 games undefeated but you got killed by scum therefore you aren't as cool as me.
I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU
So I'm going to try to be more careful and have better analysis this game.
Lynch time
I will be around on my phone at least.
I think deciding on a lynch at the last minute is a really powerful tool for town beacuse it makes scum panic and do stupid things. However that's really not possible with this mess of time zones we got going on here. Self preservation isn't necessarily scummy, blues require some amount of it to. Maybe it's something akin to ladder anxiety (my record is perfect, it must stay perfect!), or maybe he's giving himself a way out of not posting good reads. If you get killed by the mafia, you get killed by the mafia, you should be trying to contribute in the best way possible before that. In some cases that just be by trying to survive until you have information, and in others that might be putting out your best effort for scum hunting and just hoping they don't kill you. A numbers game says the latter is more likely. Underlined part seems sincere to me, makes me suspect townie. On September 18 2012 12:00 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
Also, wtf kush. "Honestly I think once a day is okay IF your posts are good" after you talk about how much you hate lurkers?
If you write 1 post a day but it's a brilliant epic post then that's cool with me. I can be realistic about people's busy schedules. And that is WAY better than a few little posts with no content. .. and I'm looking at you STUTTERS, DRAZAK, and ESPECIALLY CUBU who were all town last game but pretty trash town. Show nested quote +I'll write you an intro. Hey everyone this is kush. Judging off his username I suspcet he is a fellow lover of the ganja, which probably explains a lot of his posts. He says whatever comes to mind, and in the games I played with him he said a lot of very scummy sounding things as a townie. So basically expect to be confused. He likes going for crazy ballsy plays which often is the reason why I always thought he was town, as scum would have to be crazy to do those things. And I like to attention whore esp day 1. and If you accuse me of being scum I will omgus and start a flame war with you just because im really sensitive and hate being called scum. drazak knows what I'm talking about.Im trying to play better this game though so f u thrawn. Reverses his stance on 1 post per day, first post was about how set he was to lynch anyone who single posts per day. Then suddenly goes after Stutters/Draz/Cubu. The "especially Cubu" makes his previous apology (the one that gave me a bit of a town read) smack of insincerity. Follow this up with the whole "OMGUS+flamewar", I'd generally just chalk it down to bad play (apparently he did this as town twice) but with everything else it makes me think scummy. On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person.
what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.
I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad Keeps on about NKs, and how badly he doesn't want to be NKed. It just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's trying his best to make it sound like town, but has no idea what a town player would talk about. On September 18 2012 20:56 kushm4sta wrote:
In regards to thrawn's attack on sonic for his survey:
@Sonic: Yeah that was based on mine, but I dont think to make a list and say "answer these or you're scum" is very productive. What I put up was just some suggestions for newer players to have something to talk about. I notice newbies never really know what to say d1.
@Thrawn: I don't think sonic's survey is particularly scummy. He did the same thing last game. He was scum last game, sure, but I think it's just his MO for day one, scum or town.
Also here is why I think sonic is town. I'm putting my reasoning in spoilers because admittedly it's pretty dumb:
He was scum for the last 2 games. Do you really think marv would make him scum 3rd game in a row? It's possible but just feels unlikely to me. It's just as likely as anyone else being scum assuming the roles were determined off of random chance. That's such a weak thing to say that I wonder why you even included it. I think it's far too early to have a really good read on the situation, but the way he's played so far screams scum to me, but not mafia. Right now, my main read is on Kush, and it's that he's not mafia, and he's not town. I feel he is, in fact, the serial killer. If I were going to be really specific, I'd wager a serial killer that took detection immunity, and thus is the reason he's so worried about being NK'ed. So since we've had a few FoS's but no votes, allow me to cast the first vote ##Vote:kushm4staOther reads I have right now aren't too strong, I have a weak idea that Thrawn and debears are town, and I'm bouncing back and forth between weak town and weak scum on SDM. I'd like to think he's town because so far he's amused me. Drazak is still undecided in my mind until he posts more.
Defense of Sharrant's case against me
Good...scumhunting...dude..
there I didn't flame.
1 You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking?
I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine.
And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him.
I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive.
2 Keeps on about NKs, and how badly he doesn't want to be NKed. It just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's trying his best to make it sound like town, but has no idea what a town player would talk about.
I "keep on about NKs" only because people are calling me out for that statement and I want to defend myself. I will stop talking about NK if you stop.
But since you brought it up again let me talk more about my stance on nks:
+ Show Spoiler +I'm pretty sure last game sonic said it's honorable to be nked, I disagree with this statement because you significantly depreciate your value as town if you do not preserve that value till the end of the game. I think getting NKed indicates bad play for town, because you are making yourself a target. Why did I even bring it up? Bad idea probably judging by the reaction, but I wanted to give you guys some insight into my personal strategy,
3 Reverses his stance on 1 post per day, first post was about how set he was to lynch anyone who single posts per day.
I never reversed my stance on anything. 1 post a day is not lurking if its a long post. Lynch lurkers, yes, but 1 post a day does not make you a lurker.
@sharron Is there anything else you want me to address or is that it? Also please give more effort to organize your posts better. Singling out the different arguments made against me was quite hard.
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Hey kush I've yet to see you mention anything in the thread that looks scummy
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On September 19 2012 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
Sonic the reason why I don't buy that your survey was you as town making a joke is becuase of the line "not answering will make you look scummy." That looks like you were seriously expecting a response from everyone and that you didn't want the survey to be taken lightly.
I still don't get how the 6th question doesn't make it totally obvious. I'll concede that the "not answering will make you look scummy" risks making it look serious, at least in a newbie game where lots of people are confused and totally don't want look scummy (regardless of allignment).
On September 19 2012 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
It's been pointed out that we are kinda doing the same thing (accusing each other because of us presenting bad ideas for town to respond to) however the situations aren't that similar. You yourself have pointed out that my idea was so extremly dumb that it couldn't have been a genuine question.
I never said that. I thought it was unlikely to be genuine. However, if it was genuine it would've been scummy, especially coming from a player I percieve to be logical. That's why I asked the probing question, which should've been made a bit more specific because it kind of left the definition of a "serious question" to be subjective.
On September 19 2012 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
My explanation of that question is that it was scum bait... do you really think that it's more likely that I threw it out as scum trying to get town to agree to it? And your survey as I've already said didn't look like a joke and it fit your past scum actions of presenting fluffly ideas for town to follow so you could appear like a useful townie.
I'm pretty sure I stated in the aftermath to XXVI that my maffia game is purely based on posting stuff I would've posted as town. All suggestions on lists and actions wrt the vigilante was suggestions I would've made as town. You may still disagree with me on whether my suggestions were good, but my intent behind those posts wasn't scummy.
On September 19 2012 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
However seeing the lengths you went to to use that post against me, when it was obviously a really dumb idea regardless of my alignment, I still think you were attacking me with scum motives.
I don't really agree with your approach. I wanted to pressure you on the off chance it was serious. Pressuring you gave me the explanation that it was "scum bait", which still doesn't make sense to me. Pressuring someone can give you more information that might be more useful than the original one. And I still want you to explained your rationale behind your post being "scum bait".
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On September 19 2012 02:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hey kush I've yet to see you mention anything in the thread that looks scummy
Beacuse my time is spent defending myself. Also im typing something give me time.
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EBWOP: Actually thrawn, don't respond to that question. At this point I'm more interested in Debears answering why he found your explanation was convincing. Debears, answer please.
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On September 19 2012 01:56 KillingTime wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thrawn - I don't think it is a major point, it is a short post - if someone thinks that FOS's are valuable day one, then please tell me why. I thought the discussions about Sonic's "survey" and Thrawns " lynch question" were dumb, which were the main things in the thread at that time.
I think the other things that are on this page are more worth discussing though:
I agree that Kush's statements about not wanting to die were dumb and anti-town. I haven't voted him yet though because a) I think the serial killer case, while I can follow the logic, is a huge overreach when we don't even know whether we have a serial killer. It would be equally plausible to argue that kush was trying to attract attention to himself with that kind of remark. b) Kush made a significant number of dumb comments at the start of XXVI and turned out to be town. That doesn't excuse these comments, but they are not enough on their own to make me think he is scum.
I like sonic's last post on Debears though - For now my feeling is that Debears is mafia trying to blend into the thread. Debears who do you think is scum?
For now:
##Vote:debears
You dont like FOS is valuable d1? Well sorry I do.
##FOS Killingtime
VOTE means you are willing to lynch someone. FOS just means you want to investigate them more. Like right now even though your latest post makes me go wtf that doesn't mean I would be comfortable with lynching you at this moment.
You spend a paragraph saying that calling me the serial killer is a huge overreach, then you give your theories on it. If it's an overreach then why are you making wifom arguments about it? It looks like you are trying to fill space without contributing content.
Then you agree with sonic, instead of making your own case. And vote for debears, completely based on 1 post from someone else and your "feeling" that he is trying to blend in. So you effectively set up two possible bandwagons you can ride on, myself and debears, without actually contributing anything yourself.
Debears who do you think is scum?
Did you read all his posts or just the last one? He has already said FOS sonic, and given some reasons although they were pretty shitty.
To summarize: I am FOSing you because of your lack of content, your bandwagoning, and your last question to debears, which shifts the focus back to him about a stupid question he already answered.
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On September 19 2012 02:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I don't really agree with your approach. I wanted to pressure you on the off chance it was serious. Pressuring you gave me the explanation that it was "scum bait", which still doesn't make sense to me. Pressuring someone can give you more information that might be more useful than the original one. And I still want you to explained your rationale behind your post being "scum bait".
Ok. Every newbie game I've played in has started with tons and tons of talk about lurker policy, the term I used earlier for it was a "lurker policy circle-jerk." I didn't want this game to go down that path, so I needed to say something that would give people something to argue about instead of everyone just agreeing with each other about lurkers for the first half of D1. So I said something completely ridiculous that I thought should have been obvious to everyone that it wasn't a real suggestion...... obvious to everyone except scum, who are over eager to jump on anything in order to push a mislynch. Hence, "scum-bait." So yes, it was a serious question that I was hoping to get responses to, but it wasn't my personal choice for D1 lynch. A few posts after that I outlined my real D1 lynch ideas.
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EBWOP sorry sonic didn't see your post before i posted my response
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