EPTdirkzor, read the freaking filters. Meta is weak when the metas aren't that different. So far, marv still is yet to provide a real analysis like he is so used to do as town. You dont even mention when I talk about him contradicting himself with his own perspective. Thiiiiink people.
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
dirkzor, read the freaking filters. Meta is weak when the metas aren't that different. So far, marv still is yet to provide a real analysis like he is so used to do as town. You dont even mention when I talk about him contradicting himself with his own perspective. Thiiiiink people. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 10 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote: No, I am talking about NMM2. I NMM2 you were scum, I was town, and your scumteam left me alive for the whole game. So why are you pushing suspicion on me being alive here, when YOU YOURSELF left me alive as scum before? Answer the god damn question. Other people seemed more useful than you at the time (WBG & Dangeresque), so that's why you were still alive. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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Quatol
Burkina Faso57 Posts
On September 10 2012 22:59 Zephirdd wrote: Dirkzor, maybe I thought on mattchew shooting you and thought you were mis-killed all the time, but in reality you aren't. Point stands, marv knows better than to throw away a vote on you based on that. This is a weak point anyways, have you looked at the filters I linked? So far only keirathi did, and it's kinda impossible to see what I saw without looking at the damn filters --' On September 10 2012 19:32 marvellosity wrote: People bang on about cases - if people wanna do meta, then LOOK at my filter in say Mad Men. I didn't make a case on Zeph there at all, just went along with a redcheck (in comparison, look at how I did NOT vote for previous red check, talis). Then I voted VE on a paragraph and I only made my big case on JingleHell because town would'n't do what I wanted when I just told them to. such a squirmy little scum you are, Zephirdd | ||
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Quatol
Burkina Faso57 Posts
On September 10 2012 22:56 Bluelightz wrote: Other people seemed more useful than you at the time (WBG & Dangeresque), so that's why you were still alive. In that case you must think I have been the most useful in the game, logically. Correct? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 10 2012 23:05 Quatol wrote: such a squirmy little scum you are, Zephirdd On September 10 2012 23:06 Quatol wrote: In that case you must think I have been the most useful in the game, logically. Correct? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On August 11 2012 00:31 marvellosity wrote: does anyone think Zeph is town and if so why? On August 11 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote: why do you think zeph is town, talis? On August 11 2012 05:56 marvellosity wrote: i wanna lynch zeph ##Vote: Zephirdd On August 13 2012 03:02 marvellosity wrote: VE - finally gonna call scum on him. Now is the time to tell people he masoned me yesterday. I saw no effort from him to discern my alignment whatsoever. Further, I pointed out (in my filter) his lie to do with slOosh's perception of him. Also in his filter he says "I only ignore people when I'm scum" and he ignored talis re: Zephirdd multiple times (he said in private that this was "spite" - don't buy it). Generally I think talis' case is pretty strong. Kinda most noteworthy to me - VE has been playing in a much more constructive, "townie" manner recently. In this game he seems to have completely reverted to his old ways which suggest scum. For example the bit that talis pointed out - "you'll regret this folly tonight, medics will be all over this shit" is just batshit crazy and not recent town VE. ##Vote: VisceraEyes On August 15 2012 10:09 marvellosity wrote: okay, so let's kill JingleHell now ##Vote: JingleHell On August 15 2012 10:13 marvellosity wrote: read page 85 and tell me he's town On August 15 2012 10:30 marvellosity wrote: goddamnit why are you so bad | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On September 10 2012 19:32 marvellosity wrote: People bang on about cases - if people wanna do meta, then LOOK at my filter in say Mad Men. I didn't make a case on Zeph there at all, just went along with a redcheck (in comparison, look at how I did NOT vote for previous red check, talis). Then I voted VE on a paragraph and I only made my big case on JingleHell because town would'n't do what I wanted when I just told them to. Oh yeah, Let's look at Mad Men, where you replaced in for a lurker(who I think had one post the whole game?): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&user=140487 The only time you vote for me is when CountDropula claims a redcheck on me. In fact, without his redcheck, NOBODY would lynch me that game. You don't have to create an analysis when you got a redcheck. now look at this post, from Mad Men: On August 11 2012 04:21 marvellosity wrote: If that's what you think then you need to re-evaluate right now. You are absolutely a hindrance because town is not able to get a proper read on you, nor are you bringing anything to the table. How do you see this as not being a hindrance? You are aware enough of goings-on to reply to these questions, but the mind boggles that your stance is "I'll continue being useless - at least I'm not a hindrance". It makes absolutely zero sense. This town is deep in the shit because people like you to play the game properly. I replaced in last night for a scummy lurker, and I have had ZERO attention on me, no-one asking me questions about how my predecessor played, and it's farcical. The reason being that there's the clusterfuck around the main candidates, but also there are SO MANY PLAYERS like you that are doing nothing. If you are town, contribute your god-damn opinion and try to win this game. This is you making sense of stuff, proving yourself and showing interest in the game. Show me a post where you do this here. Just now I've looked at this. On September 10 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote: About marv: I'll give you that his lack of cases is disconcerting (which I already pointed out to him, but he didn't respond), and reading back through DFMM, I didn't realize just how much less information he has been forthcoming with in this game compared to that one (IE, he had large posts explaining his thought process/rationale/opinions on the major cases). Also, he dropped his case on me extremely easily (pressure vote?), and mildly buddied me. However, like I also mentioned, he does have a few posts that feel distinctly townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16154605 for one. As scum, why wouldn't he just let it ride that my post said I felt like he was distancing himself from the Risen wagon by unvoting? Also, his interactions with Risen feel different than his interactions with his "scum reads" in NMM3 and DN. Here, he was pretty "bulldog"-y. Like he was trying to keep Risen posting so that he could feel Risen out. In NMM3 and DN, he was using his arguments to convince everyone else, rather than starting a shouting match to convince himself. Conclusion: I'm always extremely paranoid of marv. He's certainly good enough as scum to be scary, and generally is more open and forthcoming about his reasoning as town. I'm not sure I have a firm grasp on how to read him though. I've spent a huge amount of time talking with him on IRC about strategy, past games, how he plays, how I play, etc etc. I feel like I have a decent idea of how he thinks, but the converse side of that is that he has a decent grasp on how I think as well, and is certainly smart enough to potentially use that to manipulate me if he was scum. Basically, I'm suspicious of him, but I don't think he is the best option for today's lynch. Really nice find. Keirathi. This is the context of that particular post: On September 07 2012 06:07 Keirathi wrote: Something about this post bugs me. You're right, it doesn't make sense from the perspective of scum marv bussing scum Risen. What about scum marv and townie Risen, though? You're acknowledging that your posts are (at least partly), responsible for the Risen wagon that is forming. But you unvoted and distanced yourself from it. Hmm... On September 07 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote: How am I distanced from it? I'm the most associated with it because of my unvote. Use your brain. And the final votecount: On September 08 2012 07:00 Blazinghand wrote: Final Vote Count Risen (7): vaderseven, Dirkzor, prplhz, Keirathi, Zephirdd, marvellosity, Ange777 Dirkzor (1): Risen vaderseven (1): Bluelightz Not Voting (0): Currently, Risen is set to be lynched. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This Day ends in ~7 minutes at Friday, Sep 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Notice something? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 10 2012 23:28 Zephirdd wrote: The only time you vote for me is when CountDropula claims a redcheck on me. In fact, without his redcheck, NOBODY would lynch me that game. You don't have to create an analysis when you got a redcheck. yeah, and there was a redcheck on talis too who I totally wasn't voting. What does that suggest to you? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
See, this is the kind of argument that makes "meta" a bad argument. We are picking specific points, where meta is something big and generic. In marv's case, his recent scum meta is filled with short posts and lack of interest into doing something big, whereas his most recent town game(and partially mad men too) shows a big amount of interest and instant town-reads all around. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Yes, I had a townread on talis and not you. The two quotes I pasted up there clearly indicate I had some sort of scumread on you. Else I wouldn't have been asking town about you. OH LOOK IT'S THE SAME AS THIS GAME where I start asking people about you. Actually you will struggle to find me doing similar things in my scumgames. Why don't you go show me? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm not sure ranting at the ~20% of the players of the game reading and replying to your posts is going to encourage the activity of the other 80%, dear. " But you're not that kind of guy." always makes me smile when someone knows something about how I play. Anyway, you know I never let towns sit on their asses. What do you think of the bravado of Shady? Some over-compensation in his first non-newbie game, perhaps. On August 22 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote: That's not what he said, why are you saying it is? On August 22 2012 21:00 marvellosity wrote: I will read the thread properly when I manage to steal a decent chunk of time at work. For now, come out and play or die a horrible scummy death. ##Vote: Kville On August 22 2012 23:47 marvellosity wrote: Fairly happy with where my vote stands at the moment, given Kville's responses having come into the game (he decided to ignore my question, too). Bluelightz, you can't come into this game all eager because of the playerlist and then go "he's suspicious, but now he's not" and disappear again. Step it up. Shady I don't like because of how he twisted Obvious' post. But he's active and I'm wary of mislynching him because he has a tendency for some foot-in-mouth action. I'm quite suspicious of talis; a lot of his posts have this... touchy-feely-careful feel to them. " Actually to be completely honest", "this suggestion felt to me", "which is how I initially read it", and are a few of the posts where you do this same thing. Point is that you don't do anything else as scum(on NMM3 there is a distinct amount of trolling day 1 too, but thats game-specific). ugh I won't be able to post much more until the deadline. this is fucking annoying. Town, you have to listen to me right now. Look at marv's filter and look at his post on "being eagger to play as town", and then look at his filter once again. Draw your own conclusions, and suffice to say that my conclusion is that he is not town. I ask you to draw your own conclusions because there isn't much I can do right now because of the time. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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marvellosity
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Why would scum Zeph pick a fight with town marv? Seems like there would be much, much easier people he could push today, and just get rid of marv at night. So what motivation would he have to trying to get marv lynched? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 11 2012 00:02 Keirathi wrote: So catching up, something is bothering me: Why would scum Zeph pick a fight with town marv? Seems like there would be much, much easier people he could push today, and just get rid of marv at night. So what motivation would he have to trying to get marv lynched? motivation for getting one of the best players lynched. hmm. hmmmmm. Something I learnt from NMM2 after chatting with GMarshal was about this motivation. Zephirdd picks a fight with me for precisely the reasons you're ummming about there. The point in question with NMM2 was this - I caught MrZentor in one of my traps, and proceeded to gather town support for his lynch. What did Zentor do? He went balls to the wall attacking me and trying to discredit me, which actually only furthered the votes gathering on him. Except in the end I *unvoted* Zentor and took town off him because I couldn't believe scum would actively try to attack me and get themselves lynched. And that was the point - of course scum shouldn't do that, which is why he did it. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 11 2012 00:17 Keirathi wrote: Hmm, okay yea I didn't actually think about using his case to discredit you to buy people off of the case against him. That does make some modicum of sense. I'm happy for you to tell me if you think Zeph's case has any merit. As far as I can see it's a bunch of incorrect meta arguments followed by an outright lie about Dirkzor. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
And yes, I'll give you that he was blatantly wrong about Dirk. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I think it's worth saying again that Ange777 died last night. She had the most well-formed suspicions of Zephirdd and in this game she wasn't necessarily the most obvious shot otherwise. | ||
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