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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 03 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:I'm not going to hold it against any of you that make them unless that's the extent of your contribution to the thread. In summary: He lurks throughout the entire game and only shares reads near the end of D1. Those reads are short and insubstantial and are not intended to spark further conversation. He never questions anyone or makes direct accusations. He's trying to blend in. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 03 2012 19:46 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Voting for drazak. His first and 2nd post came within 2 hours after the game started, so we know that he was here reading the thread at that time and knew that the game had started. His next post comes a little over 12 hours after his 2nd at which point there has been plenty of discussion but all drazak talks about is lynch policy. The post where he finally gives reads comes in almost a day and a half after the game started. Why would it take anyone that long to give a read? And in that post which gives the most insight into his throught process, all he does is list each player and write a couple short sentences about each. What I said earlier about lists: On September 03 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:I'm not going to hold it against any of you that make them unless that's the extent of your contribution to the thread. In summary: He lurks throughout the entire game and only shares reads near the end of D1. Those reads are short and insubstantial and are not intended to spark further conversation. He never questions anyone or makes direct accusations. He's trying to blend in. The problem I see is that there are a lot of other people with posts equally as insubstantial or worse. At least drazak has given reasons for his inactivity and there is the promise of more activity in the future. Assume drazak and kville and cubu are town. Which townie would you rather have day 2? For me that's hands down drazak, because he has contributed way more than those other two. It will be easier to determine later if he is scum because he has content to analyze. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 03 2012 19:32 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: No need to limit ourselves this early. Like I said before there are other decent option and we don't want too many to feel safe this early. If scum feel safe they're more likely to stay away from the thread and we gain no info. I think you make a good point sonic, except this isn't really early. Lynch happens in less than 14 hours, and there's no way everyone is going to be around right before lynch time. I know I'm probably going to be sleeping. The reason I want people to say who they are going to vote for is because I really don't want a no lynch. I brought up the idea of a no lynch possibility, but that's because in the last game I was in we had no real lurkers. In this game there are a lot of people who deserve to be lynched. So, for instance, I would change my vote to drazak in a second to prevent a no lynch even though I think he is not our best option. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On September 03 2012 20:27 drazak wrote: Well, if you want to prevent a no-lynch, vote kville, have you looked at his filter? Have you seen his previous activity in other mafias? Something seems fishy there and if he doesn't speak up there is absolutely no reason not to lynch him. A) There will be no no-lynch. B) Even supposing there would. Heres an argument: If you want to prevent a no-lynch, vote drazak. See what I did there? I wasnt really considering voting on you, but your reaction to thrawns accusation are not something thats in your favor. Questioning his understanding of sleeping patterns (wut?), the ever so common, "if I'd had been mafia I'd have done this to fool you" (you know there tens of ways of blending in, and theres no "this is what you should do as mafia, as then everyone would do it and be instantly reveald). Then you follow it up with a senseless claim that to prevent a no-lynch you have to vote Kville (wut #2). I'm still leaning towards Cubu myself, but this had me thinking really. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 03 2012 20:11 kushm4sta wrote: The problem I see is that there are a lot of other people with posts equally as insubstantial or worse. At least drazak has given reasons for his inactivity and there is the promise of more activity in the future. Assume drazak and kville and cubu are town. Which townie would you rather have day 2? For me that's hands down drazak, because he has contributed way more than those other two. It will be easier to determine later if he is scum because he has content to analyze. He may have contributed more in terms of total word count but their effective participation levels have been about the same. I am suspicious of drazak because his play looks like he is trying to appear somewhat active, but the 1st half of D1 he didn't talk about anything useful and D2 he made that list which contributed almost nothing to the thread... and I think his vote on kville is him trying to pick the easiest and safest target. In regards to people giving reasons for inactivity, that's not something I can confirm or deny so I mostly ignore it. On September 03 2012 20:27 drazak wrote: Well, if you want to prevent a no-lynch, vote kville, have you looked at his filter? Have you seen his previous activity in other mafias? Something seems fishy there and if he doesn't speak up there is absolutely no reason not to lynch him. Actually the reason why I'm hesitant to consider voting kville is because I find it hard to believe that scum would only post once. He is an acceptable lynch candidate simply because we won't have lost anything at all worth keeping, but I don't have a scum read on him so that's why he's not my first vote. On September 03 2012 19:56 drazak wrote:I feel like that is pretty bad reasoning, if I was mafia I'd simply not give reads, or give poorly thought out reads (or atleast, in my experience). Actually that is what I think you've been doing. Not giving reads until extremely late and then giving poorly thought out reads. By 'poorly thought out' I'm talking about your list of short sentences about each player. As for your vote on kville I do give you some possible town credit for taking the initiative there, but it could also be scum motives trying to vote for an easy target. Kville is literally the easiest person to vote for because of him having only 1 post. So although you were the first to vote, it was anything but a ballsy move. Kville if you don't get lynched D1 and continue your posting behavior I don't think it's likely that you'll last past D2. What say you? Drazak, your vote is on a player who has only 1 post. I can see what the town motivations for that would be, but that still leaves you at a point where you aren't really scumhunting and you're just picking an easy target. What is your top scumread and why? (other than kville of course) Please be thorough. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
To that point, I'm someone you can analyze D2, you have several posts by me, with fairly decent content. Even if kville isn't mafia, he isn't helping anyone. In addition, I felt that going for cubu would just be bandwagoning at this point, which as town doesn't help me at all, espescially considering I do have my own unique thoughts, which I have shared with everyone. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Kville I find hard to believe would be mafia. Posting twice? Could be a great bluff strategy but honestly I think he got into the game and thought. Ahh who cares. That said he isn’t useful in the game unlike Drazak. Although apparently his previous activity was high in other mafias. I haven’t got time to check that and it was coming from Drazak but interesting to consider. Drazak: I maybe biased towards the one person who thinks I am town but he seems more like a mildly scared town (as opposed to a really scared mafia see Cubu) Most of it is vibe based however as he said if we lynch him we have less to go on than if we don’t. So leaving him in the game at least temporarily is more useful So I would vote (and probably will before bed unless a good argument comes up) Cubu first. Cubu: Need I say more? Could be a scared town but he reacted so horribly. Most likely an inexperienced mafia. Oh and about WeeTee. I would be hesitant to lynch him because his game activity last game was similar and he got lynched as town. So I will probably vote Cubu, Kville, Drazak. Unless one of the others or cubu comes in with a perfect argument I don’t see this changing much. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 03 2012 21:24 drazak wrote: My best read is cubu. He's tried to throw suspiscion, he stopped posting when he had nobody to lay thin accusations on. Cubu has posted only with low content, low value posts, he hasn't had any real reads other than discussing statistics and how afk I was. I think Cubu isn't a great D1 lynch though, which is why he doesn't currently have my vote, if he continues to have such low content posts tomorrow, he will certainly have my vote. Cubu is someone we can try to analyze tomorrow and figure out if he really is mafia, we can't analyze kville, and if we wait to lynch kville it's not going to get better, we don't even have a baseline for him. To that point, I'm someone you can analyze D2, you have several posts by me, with fairly decent content. Even if kville isn't mafia, he isn't helping anyone. In addition, I felt that going for cubu would just be bandwagoning at this point, which as town doesn't help me at all, espescially considering I do have my own unique thoughts, which I have shared with everyone. This is a great point however. At least after somebody gets lynched we will have a lot to work with. But I did think the sudden change was a bit much but it was explained in a resonable manner. | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Also what about stutters? I forgot him, in what ever case the more information argument comes in. Stutters as provided something more than both. So more likely to have more to work with day two. I'll watch a movie and be back, need time to think about it. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
On a percentage basis I think it is more likely that cuba or weetee or stutters (who never asked those "questions" he was promising) or drazak are scum who have realised their mistake and are trying to cover for it - rather than kville who is being such a blatant lurk. Weetee says that "In my opinion my previous post is succinct of my town reads and its what I wanted to say which should be valued by everyone as a whole" My point was that I did not think your town reads added much to the thread, partly because I am very sceptical of "meta" reads at this point given that we all have 3 or less games. I could persuaded to change my vote off you given that others have not agreed with me, but to do so I do need to hear from you not about who you think is town - but who you think is scum! | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
I also don't think drazak is Mafia. The typical reaction for pressured Mafia is to get angry, aggressive or desperate, but in my eyes, he has tried to be genuinely helpful - giving away a lot of unnecessary information in case he actually was Mafia. The somewhat frustrated tone in his posts also points more to town than Mafia. Sonic Death Monkey and Kreb looked pretty suspicious based on their first (really fluffy) posts, but their later posts have been much better. I'm willing to wait and see some more from them before I can make a judgement. The ones I'm willing to lynch right now are Cubu, WeeTee and Stutters695. Cubu has posted only fluff, a slight suspicion of drazak and several suggestions to lynch a lurker. All very easy and careful things to say - things that Mafia would like to say in order to blend in and avoid unnecessary attention. WeeTee's first post is pure fluff and the next one is pretty wishy-washy and non-committing. The filter of Stutters695 is full of fluff and non-committing stances. I'm in bit of a hurry already, so I'm going to vote for Cubu. I might be able to come back online a bit later, but not anymore closer to the deadline :/ ##Vote Cubu | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:57 KillingTime wrote: I kind of feel that a kville lynch would be similar to a kush lynch. We seem to agree that for a mafia to go out and make the d1 posts that kush did would be very gambley/spaz mafia play. Well, the same thing surely applies to Kville - I don't like the fact he is lurking like a submarine - but at this point, given how every active player has repeatedly stressed that they want town to be posting - the total refusal of kville to do that kind of makes me think there are better lynch targets (atleast for d1, d2 is a different story and kville is certainly going to need a good explanation and good d2 play if he does survive). I have similar feelings about a kville lynch: On September 03 2012 20:54 thrawn2112 wrote:Actually the reason why I'm hesitant to consider voting kville is because I find it hard to believe that scum would only post once. He is an acceptable lynch candidate simply because we won't have lost anything at all worth keeping, but I don't have a scum read on him so that's why he's not my first vote. Also according to the replacement thread the host has asked for a replacement for this game, so I think that kville is just a town player who doesn't care and wants out. I'm going to unvote drazak because I'd rather lynch someone more lurky, and because he's done a better job at contributing than he did at the start of the game. Here are my thoughts on the proposed lurker lynch candidates: Cubu: Has expressed suspicion of drazak, and said he wants to lynch kville. I consider his vote for kville a bad idea, but he has at least given scumreads. Earlier someone said that Cubu's posting looks like that of a spazzy townie, which I agree with. WeeTee/Stutters: I'm putting these two together because they are the lurkiest except for kville. WeeTee hasn't offered any scum reads at all, nor has he questioned anyone on anything. Stutters' only contribution towards scumhunting was his comment on kville's strange behavior. Stutters's scumhunting efforts are close enough to none I might as well call it none. Between the two of them I think WeeTee has provided greater insight into his thoughts. Stutters hasn't even obliged us with his town reads, all he's done is talk about policy and his thoughts on lists. I want to lynch WeeTee or Stutters. Other than kville (who I'm not going to vote for because of the earlier reasons I gave) they are the lurkiest players. I can see WeeTee being town because his town meta during XXV was exactly how he's playing now, so I'm going to vote for stutters because of my WeeTee meta read and because stutters has shared less thoughts/reads out of the two. | ||
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