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On September 04 2012 23:26 ghost_403 wrote: Between posts like this: And his general demeanor all game, I think it's kind of obvious. Like I said before, Node has been assertive and aggressive all game. His thread presence has been lackluster, but he's made an effort to think critically about the game every step of the way. When scum lurk, they come back stating the obvious to make it look like they're contributing. Node thinks too much to be lurking scum. Marv, what are you thinking about hopeless? Weren't you the cohost in NMMXXII? On September 04 2012 23:27 ghost_403 wrote: That, and he's right about Hiro. It's really fucking strange that he's not dead yet. If he really is scum, and he got here by bussing literally his entire team, I'll give him the win. Hopeless didn't play in XXII? You're attributing to Node a playstyle based on how you think scum 'would' or 'should' play. My first bold in your post is practically a contradiction. What's the use in being assertive/aggressive in the occasional post if you're not going to actually push anything through? Why does he have to be stereotypical lurking scum? To the 2nd, yeah, Hiro's not dead yet. What I find disconcerting about your posts is that you twice took the time to insidiously stress "why is marv alive" and yet this is the first time you mention that Hiro, claimed cop/L/mason/vigi/poobah is still alive. | ||
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On September 04 2012 23:51 ghost_403 wrote: I definitely hosted a game with Hopeless1der... maybe it was NMMXIX. brb. And yes, I am basing my opinion on node based on how I think scum 'would' or 'should' play. I'm pretty sure all of the guides tell you that's a pretty good way to hunt for scum. And I don't see a contradiction between those two bolded parts. Node isn't here often, but when he is, he's loud. And Marv, you'll always be my Day 4 policy lynch <3 But seriously, why are you still here? You made such a fuss replacing into Wiggles Mafia that after 28 hours in the game, you were shot by scum. Your filter this game is about the same length as that one, but you've been here for significantly longer. What's up with that, Marv? Still haven't answered my question. What are your thoughts on Hopeless? Easy to pop into the thread, shout about stuff, but not stick around to push it, hmm? Why am I still alive? Why is Hiro still alive? How am I supposed to answer that? Why are you comparing incomparable games (large normal vs mini themed). Given that you know of the game, you should also know that I came into that town with the town in TOTAL disarray, and I had to work like fuck to get a lynch and try to get town being productive, a case not similar to here. Hopeless' filter reads less scummily to Node's for me. His Palmar vote was bad but was explained by him as that he had a townier read on Mementoss (something I firmly agreed with). His scummiest action is lazily voting for you based on Zentor's connection theory. | ||
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You're right about Hopeless' post timings today and his vote on ghost is very weak. And Node I think is heading for a modkill today at this rate. Could you re-read fuba's case, and my subsequent comments (as well as in the back and forth with ghost) and say why Hopeless is particularly scummier than Node? | ||
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On September 05 2012 10:53 HiroPro wrote: ugh I don't even really like those reasons. oh well. what in particular? | ||
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Annoyingly my cop role is near-useless. Kira is almost certainly godfather, so ironically a red-check on someone probably clears them more than a green check. But we've already had 2 millers (Palmar, ghost) flip so it seems unlikely there are any more. | ||
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The only reason I'm entertaining the thought this time is because at the moment I'm not quite as certain as I was then. Gonna go through some filters and see if I can find that certainty. | ||
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I will still just about be around at 1am. I have a reasonably strong townread on fuba so it's between you and Node as far as I'm concerned. As you know yesterday I was on Node, and both your reactions to pressure yesterday AND your case on ghost were townier than Node's (the reason I asked Hiro what he didn't like about Node's points was because I had the same feeling myself). | ||
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On September 06 2012 06:01 mkfuba07 wrote: But a no-lynch will leave us at 2-1 in favor of town. Kira can kill before the lynch deadline. That would bring us to 1-1, and a Kira win. There's no way I'm risking that with a no-lynch. um... trying to work out when kills are and what it means is such a headache :X I think you're right though, no-lynching effectively means we're relying on medic making a save in order not to lose? That doesn't sound too hot. | ||
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On September 06 2012 12:19 Zephirdd wrote: post-game thoughts: Palmar lynch WAS FUCKING RIDICULOUS KTHX I liked people's activity, but I was surprised that nobody realized marv was the kira when he wasn't contributing at all compared to other players. Node realized it too late. Z-Boson pointed marv/risen scum team on the post 51 of the QT, which was on day 2 IIRC. I'm overall happy with the setup, even if it felt it was insanely hard for scum. It was, in fact, a town-favored setup. By a bit I might add, but anything would throw scum into deep hell. Also, I loved strongandbig's claim. It was bad luck that palmar, the miller, flipped end game. GG scum Yes, Node was right. I did not make a single case all game. Just sheeped to varying degrees. Z-Boson picked up on how I didn't go after Risen which was also a tell. On September 06 2012 12:21 HiroPro wrote: eh, the balance is kinda changed by the fact that town has very little time to discuss anything. Same with scum, though. As we can't scumhunt legitimately, it was hard not having downtime to work out what to do next. EDIT: also, thinking about it, to win, I needed FOUR mislynches (inc. strongest townie day 1), town vigi hitting town, AND a townie modkill. Hard shit in a mini, man. Also good to see Zeph in obsQT realising that Vet for Hiro was maybe a bit much. On September 06 2012 12:25 Zephirdd wrote: True. it was a primary thought when creating the game. Originally, it was a 2-scum(14 players) setup, where one of them was the traitor, because I was so worried about the 24hr thing. GMarshal helped with the balance(as well as probulous and bluelightz), but ultimately the setup was still a bit town favored because scum kills were so hard to manage. here's how they work: 1- You can only kill 24 hours after you PM the name of the person to die 2- If that person dies before it, you have to select someone else 3- if the kill fails somehow(medic/veteran), Kira can change the future scheduled kills 4- you can't change who is to die otherwise This ended up causing a suboptimal kill in Shady Sands, for instance. Not that I don't like it, it was intended; it still makes life a hell. It doesn't help that scum knows traitor is looking for them, but they can't recruit the traitor themselves. Plus the traitor has to hit Kira himself. Even if they were to play without caring about it, the mere knowledge of the fact impacts their play into being scummier than they should be. I killed Shady just to be rid of him. But it was suboptimal. Regarding the traitor, it's my main quibble with the setup. I found it slightly ludicrous that I could not recruit the traitor despite knowing who it was. Don't think that's the way it should be. On September 06 2012 12:27 Zephirdd wrote: 2 millers Risen. ghost was a miller too also I might add EVERYTHING went as wrongly as possible: HiroPro checked marv, who was godfather, and proceeded to waste a check in order to protect him on a cycle, as well as giving him the mason status and ultimately the M role, which made mkfuba use his ability to protect him. This goes down to wp marv, I feel, infiltrating the town's consciousness (I got protected twice I think?). On September 06 2012 13:22 BlackMamba24 wrote: I'm kicking myself. Marvellosity was my top gut scumread near the end of day 1 but I was too lazy and felt it was too late to pursue it. This was the post that made me "know" in a sense. Lazy me can't accomplish much. Then you got lucky. I would 100% post that as town. See above for what actually is alignment indicative. Edit: reading obsQT, significantly later you named like 5 possible scummers and I wasn't one of them. So meh. On September 06 2012 14:53 syllogism wrote: What a painful game to read. Should have lynched marvel when he claimed L's right hand for no reason Also just dumb. I would have done the same as town. I always bring information I have to the thread. Holy shit endgame flavour played to my ego. Risen: I told you to keep the faith Now, you may all bow down to your new master, Kira! gg <3 | ||
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On September 06 2012 23:07 syllogism wrote: Marvellosity: that's just awful play then. That's not bringing town information that is actually useful, but rather revealing something that can only help mafia. Not much better than just randomly role claiming. Perhaps as town you would have considered it more and wouldn't have done it, I would hope so. how does it help mafia? | ||
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On September 06 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote: They know that you are not L, assuming they believe you (townie would rarely lie about it in near lylo). Not sure how much you knew about L's role, but from what I understand the successors (that's what you were?) inherited some of his powers, so if L flips they would then see who got the powers. How did revealing that information to town at that point help at all? I became RHM long before lylo (previous one died day 2 i think?). Didn't know about successors at all, so that's a totally null point. From townie pov i'm bringing instructions from L to the thread without L having to reveal himself. | ||
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