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I read all of day 3 and no one gave a good reason why they are voting forumite. Can someone explain? I will get to reading through the game eventually but, the way this day is going its just killing discussion.
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I am at work and don't have much time. Catching up is hard, from my reading so far I think Maverick is scum and will vote him I read the most recent case on forumite but I just don't see it. Hopefully I can finish filling in the gaps of reading tonight and actually post a worthy post of why maverick is scum. I'm hoping I can make deadline today busy day.
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On September 12 2012 04:18 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 04:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 12 2012 03:51 Forumite wrote:On September 11 2012 23:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 11 2012 23:16 Forumite wrote:
I dislike most of the case (Z-boson's case on BM), especially him calling BM out for lying, often a "lie" is the player simply forgetting something instead of scum-motivated. What I do agree with is that it´s very bad of BM to have been gone during the BKE lynch. My opinion of BM is that he doesn´t try to help. We want him to be a town leader and all he does is short posts, cryptic or irrelevant passages, FoS on me, taking back FoS on me, saying he actually always suspected me, back and forth.
The old cases on me during N1 were weak, and both BM and Toades said so, so I didn´t do much about them except resolving to get more active, and yet it´s those same reasons that are used to get me lynched today. =/ - You want BILL MURRAY to be the leader? The voice of reason, a beacon for us to rally around? Are you kidding me? - Where is this so called activity? Why is it that my posts are never responded to? Am I lurking to hard? For the last time: On September 11 2012 07:24 Forumite wrote:
And there goes D3.
Come on guys, ignore the wagon for a while, where are the other scum? When I flip town, who is your next target? I´ve been away a few hours and the only thing that´s happened is that everyone´s said they want to lynch me. Doesn´t anyone have something else to add? On September 11 2012 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
Forumite, could you perhaps flesh things out a bit more on Z-Boson, besides his interactions regarding Mattchew? Why is he a better lynch than you right now?
Forumite, Why should we lynch Z-Boson?
Why do you want me to die?
Make an effort to explain yourself.For reference, a case on Forumite that is not based on Meta: + Show Spoiler +On September 07 2012 02:43 Hopeless1der wrote:First, my original case on Forumite: + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote:
I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase: On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again?
Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote:
Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him.
I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello folks ^^
I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone.
A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker.
Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite+ Show Spoiler +Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote:
There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic My followup, continuing my journey through his filter: His entire reasoning for voting matt is to sheep BC: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 21:11 Forumite wrote:
Still catching up with the posts made while I was asleep.
For now:
##Vote: Mattchew
He´s a scummy liar and I´m 100% behind BC for calling him out. He didn't even read the entire thread through...He initially just tossed his vote in there because BC was so sure of himself, but that wasn't really the case. How do I know this? Because in his next post, he's defending his 'out of place' vote in the spoilered post below: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote:Reading through the thread, my vote on Matt looks kind of odd. I made it after I got a PM-confirmation from Palmar but before I saw Palmars post in the thread. Why do people fakevote, then say "lol, I never really voted!" It´s irritating. Making a vote in this thread might not count but I think it´s bad form. Similarly it´s bad to stealthvote in the other thread without confirming it here. If you want to pressurevote, do it for real. @BMShow nested quote +On September 05 2012 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite I don´t get it. Matt was looking very strange for claiming when there was no benefit in claiming. I was talking to him to try and get a better read. Yes, if Matt was blue then I might have exposed him, but I wasn´t worried about that, I was thinking Matt was either NN or scum. With Matt looking more and more scummy, do you still accuse me of fishing for his role? Your FoS seem to rely on Matt being a townie, which he´s probably not. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 09:48 Rewok wrote:
Been keeping up my reading. Here's how the situation seems to me:
We're voting Mattchew today. Pretty much no getting out of that. If he turns up scum, Ottox and a few others could be on the chopping block. If he's town, we've got a whole new set of reads.
But it seems to me that our whole strategy hinges on how Mattchew turns up after he's killed. Is there any way we can get another read / another kill set up for D1? One which doesn't hinge on Mattchew's alignment?
I'm asking because you guys are way more familiar with the way TL mafia runs. One lynch at a time. Once Matt is dead, we shut up during the night, and then try to figure out what his flip means tomorrow. We can´t lynch more than one target at a time, so we lynch the scummiest one and worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later. More specifically, pulling from the spoilered post above: Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote:
Reading through the thread, my vote on Matt looks kind of odd. I made it after I got a PM-confirmation from Palmar but before I saw Palmars post in the thread. It didn't look strange. Feel free the check the timestamps, his vote came after Palmar confirmed the lie. Forumite says he got mod confirmation anyways, but to what avail? This is a defensive statement when there is nothing to defend against. This is scummy behavior. Why did he have to sheep BC if he had mod confirmation? More scummy behavior. Next, he's reading things between lines that I have a hard time seeing. Read BM's post and show me how you came out of that thinking "Well BM is accusing me of bluefishing": Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite Forumite's response to BM: Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote:
I don´t get it. Matt was looking very strange for claiming when there was no benefit in claiming. I was talking to him to try and get a better read. Yes, if Matt was blue then I might have exposed him, but I wasn´t worried about that, I was thinking Matt was either NN or scum. Next is him stifling active discussion and being wishy-washy: Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote:
One lynch at a time. Once Matt is dead, we shut up during the night, and then try to figure out what his flip means tomorrow. We can´t lynch more than one target at a time, so we lynch the scummiest one and worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later. He's kind of hedging his bets on what Matt's flip is going to be. This is a step back from when Matt was a scummy liar in his previous post. So what if we can't lynch more than one target at a time? I disagree with the concept of shutting up at night, but I don't necessarily see that as scum motivated. What is scummy is that we can "worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later." This isn't shutting up at night, this is shutting up in general. Rewok phrased his question poorly as an "alternative D1 target", but the basic concept of CONTINUE TO SCUMHUNT is completely valid to me.
In the next post: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 21:19 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 12:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
Allright, Mattchew is set to be lynched.
What can we conclude if he flips scum or town?
In the unlikely event that he will flip town, will we have enough evidence to go for a BC lynch?
My take is, if he flips town, BC's suspicions will go way up, but I don't agree with insta-lynch. We all agreed that fakeclaiming is not something a blue role would do, and is most likely coming from scum.
If he flips scum, then we will take a long hard look at the people who insist that he shouldn't be lynched.
Ox, as of now, is my top candidate for a lynch. He's been so obnoxious and so annoying regarding the whole Mattchew business that he looks the most suspicious up to now. He also has been of zero usefulness this entire game.
@Shiaopi
Your meta is a little off from Dwarf Mafia, where you were town and had much more contribuitive posts in day 1. When will your internet be fixed? Basically that, if Matt flips town, then BC could be anything, but if Matt flips scum then BC is most likely town, and everyone who defended Matt until Palmars confirmation looks kind of bad. People who defend Matt after Palmars confirmation look bad for creating a disruption over something that is allready decided, that Matt lied and needs to die, but I think most scum jumped on the bandwagon long ago. If Matt is an Assassin then we get rid of both the 3rd Party in return for 2 townies dead. Not a good trade, but I think it´s unlikely that Matt is an assassin. There´s no point in not defending yourself to the end as a 3rd Party, while scum often shut up to avoid giving away any of their buddies. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 14:38 Bill Murray wrote:
No, Forumite. I don't see how you get that whatsoever. I see you as being scum with Mattchew for not jumping on voting him there. Isn´t that a different accusation? Before you accuse me of trying to get Matt to claim (meaning that you thought I was scum and Matt town), and now you say I´m scum together with Matt. To answer why I didn´t vote Matt early, at the time I was weighing on what Matt was and engaged him in conversation to get a better read, but until Palmar confirmed how Nosy Neighbors works, there wasn´t enough on Matt for me to throw down a vote. Matt was suspicious for claiming NN, but there were no proof that he was really lying at the time. Why should I vote someone who claims a town role unless I have a good reason to think he´s lying? , He basically says that if Matt flips red (which he has) then everyone looks kind of bad sometimes because of disruption and bussing something something waffle. Don't count on finding scum using Matt's flip is the message I got from that. This, in addition to his "find scum later" response to rewok reads very scummy to me. He also pushes his luck with BM regarding the bluefishing, which I don't think actually happened and Forumite is twisting the situation to make BM look bad. For the most part, he's shut up other than to call Mav scum and neglect to address the ottoxlol issue. This is null since he said he'd wanted to shut up at night, but with everything else, I'm reading heavily into Forumite being scum. - Well, I´d hope Bill Murray would at least lead a lynch on a scum sometime during this game. He´s been hanging back, most importantly during yesterdays mislynch. - I´m giving the game the time I can give, but it´s a bloody big game. Lots to read through. 1) At least the thread doesn´t grow that fast anymore, even if that´s because the scum killed the most active posters. - 2) Why Z-boson? I can´t tell, there´s a lot of scumsense and odd posts, but nothing huge and damning. There´s no single thing I can point to that is definetly a scum move, but several that make me suspect there´s a scum motivation somewhere. It´s a big game and the two flipped scum died very, very early, so unfortunately this is the best I can do for now. I´ve gotten a scumread on Z-boson and it´s one of the few that hasn´t changed through the game. I´ve flip-flopped on almost everyone else, but my read on him has been off for a long time. It could just be tunneling of course. 1) This is good then? Not to flatter myself, but you propose to kill the most active poster atm. Liking the silence? This is another pretty good reason why I dont wanna vote Boson lol. He puts so many words in peoples mouthes. I have no idea how "At least the thread doesn´t grow that fast anymore" becomes "you propose to kill the most active poster atm". At thats hardly the first time, he hits on everything, left and right. I somehow have a hard time believing a mafia wouldnt be more...... tactical than that.
Dafuq. This if anything IS a real to vote Boson. If you believe he is putting words in peoples mouths, you believe he is pushing scum agenda by doing the following:
1) Confusing town
2) Making someone look guilty of something that wasn't said or implied
3) Creates useless discussion based on the fact of putting words in peoples mouths
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On September 12 2012 04:30 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 04:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 12 2012 04:18 Kreb wrote:On September 12 2012 04:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 12 2012 03:51 Forumite wrote:On September 11 2012 23:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 11 2012 23:16 Forumite wrote:
I dislike most of the case (Z-boson's case on BM), especially him calling BM out for lying, often a "lie" is the player simply forgetting something instead of scum-motivated. What I do agree with is that it´s very bad of BM to have been gone during the BKE lynch. My opinion of BM is that he doesn´t try to help. We want him to be a town leader and all he does is short posts, cryptic or irrelevant passages, FoS on me, taking back FoS on me, saying he actually always suspected me, back and forth.
The old cases on me during N1 were weak, and both BM and Toades said so, so I didn´t do much about them except resolving to get more active, and yet it´s those same reasons that are used to get me lynched today. =/ - You want BILL MURRAY to be the leader? The voice of reason, a beacon for us to rally around? Are you kidding me? - Where is this so called activity? Why is it that my posts are never responded to? Am I lurking to hard? For the last time: On September 11 2012 07:24 Forumite wrote:
And there goes D3.
Come on guys, ignore the wagon for a while, where are the other scum? When I flip town, who is your next target? I´ve been away a few hours and the only thing that´s happened is that everyone´s said they want to lynch me. Doesn´t anyone have something else to add? On September 11 2012 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
Forumite, could you perhaps flesh things out a bit more on Z-Boson, besides his interactions regarding Mattchew? Why is he a better lynch than you right now?
Forumite, Why should we lynch Z-Boson?
Why do you want me to die?
Make an effort to explain yourself.For reference, a case on Forumite that is not based on Meta: + Show Spoiler +On September 07 2012 02:43 Hopeless1der wrote:First, my original case on Forumite: + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote:
I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase: On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again?
Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote:
Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him.
I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello folks ^^
I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone.
A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker.
Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite+ Show Spoiler +Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote:
There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic My followup, continuing my journey through his filter: His entire reasoning for voting matt is to sheep BC: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 21:11 Forumite wrote:
Still catching up with the posts made while I was asleep.
For now:
##Vote: Mattchew
He´s a scummy liar and I´m 100% behind BC for calling him out. He didn't even read the entire thread through...He initially just tossed his vote in there because BC was so sure of himself, but that wasn't really the case. How do I know this? Because in his next post, he's defending his 'out of place' vote in the spoilered post below: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote:Reading through the thread, my vote on Matt looks kind of odd. I made it after I got a PM-confirmation from Palmar but before I saw Palmars post in the thread. Why do people fakevote, then say "lol, I never really voted!" It´s irritating. Making a vote in this thread might not count but I think it´s bad form. Similarly it´s bad to stealthvote in the other thread without confirming it here. If you want to pressurevote, do it for real. @BMShow nested quote +On September 05 2012 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite I don´t get it. Matt was looking very strange for claiming when there was no benefit in claiming. I was talking to him to try and get a better read. Yes, if Matt was blue then I might have exposed him, but I wasn´t worried about that, I was thinking Matt was either NN or scum. With Matt looking more and more scummy, do you still accuse me of fishing for his role? Your FoS seem to rely on Matt being a townie, which he´s probably not. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 09:48 Rewok wrote:
Been keeping up my reading. Here's how the situation seems to me:
We're voting Mattchew today. Pretty much no getting out of that. If he turns up scum, Ottox and a few others could be on the chopping block. If he's town, we've got a whole new set of reads.
But it seems to me that our whole strategy hinges on how Mattchew turns up after he's killed. Is there any way we can get another read / another kill set up for D1? One which doesn't hinge on Mattchew's alignment?
I'm asking because you guys are way more familiar with the way TL mafia runs. One lynch at a time. Once Matt is dead, we shut up during the night, and then try to figure out what his flip means tomorrow. We can´t lynch more than one target at a time, so we lynch the scummiest one and worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later. More specifically, pulling from the spoilered post above: Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote:
Reading through the thread, my vote on Matt looks kind of odd. I made it after I got a PM-confirmation from Palmar but before I saw Palmars post in the thread. It didn't look strange. Feel free the check the timestamps, his vote came after Palmar confirmed the lie. Forumite says he got mod confirmation anyways, but to what avail? This is a defensive statement when there is nothing to defend against. This is scummy behavior. Why did he have to sheep BC if he had mod confirmation? More scummy behavior. Next, he's reading things between lines that I have a hard time seeing. Read BM's post and show me how you came out of that thinking "Well BM is accusing me of bluefishing": Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite Forumite's response to BM: Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote:
I don´t get it. Matt was looking very strange for claiming when there was no benefit in claiming. I was talking to him to try and get a better read. Yes, if Matt was blue then I might have exposed him, but I wasn´t worried about that, I was thinking Matt was either NN or scum. Next is him stifling active discussion and being wishy-washy: Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote:
One lynch at a time. Once Matt is dead, we shut up during the night, and then try to figure out what his flip means tomorrow. We can´t lynch more than one target at a time, so we lynch the scummiest one and worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later. He's kind of hedging his bets on what Matt's flip is going to be. This is a step back from when Matt was a scummy liar in his previous post. So what if we can't lynch more than one target at a time? I disagree with the concept of shutting up at night, but I don't necessarily see that as scum motivated. What is scummy is that we can "worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later." This isn't shutting up at night, this is shutting up in general. Rewok phrased his question poorly as an "alternative D1 target", but the basic concept of CONTINUE TO SCUMHUNT is completely valid to me.
In the next post: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 21:19 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 12:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
Allright, Mattchew is set to be lynched.
What can we conclude if he flips scum or town?
In the unlikely event that he will flip town, will we have enough evidence to go for a BC lynch?
My take is, if he flips town, BC's suspicions will go way up, but I don't agree with insta-lynch. We all agreed that fakeclaiming is not something a blue role would do, and is most likely coming from scum.
If he flips scum, then we will take a long hard look at the people who insist that he shouldn't be lynched.
Ox, as of now, is my top candidate for a lynch. He's been so obnoxious and so annoying regarding the whole Mattchew business that he looks the most suspicious up to now. He also has been of zero usefulness this entire game.
@Shiaopi
Your meta is a little off from Dwarf Mafia, where you were town and had much more contribuitive posts in day 1. When will your internet be fixed? Basically that, if Matt flips town, then BC could be anything, but if Matt flips scum then BC is most likely town, and everyone who defended Matt until Palmars confirmation looks kind of bad. People who defend Matt after Palmars confirmation look bad for creating a disruption over something that is allready decided, that Matt lied and needs to die, but I think most scum jumped on the bandwagon long ago. If Matt is an Assassin then we get rid of both the 3rd Party in return for 2 townies dead. Not a good trade, but I think it´s unlikely that Matt is an assassin. There´s no point in not defending yourself to the end as a 3rd Party, while scum often shut up to avoid giving away any of their buddies. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 14:38 Bill Murray wrote:
No, Forumite. I don't see how you get that whatsoever. I see you as being scum with Mattchew for not jumping on voting him there. Isn´t that a different accusation? Before you accuse me of trying to get Matt to claim (meaning that you thought I was scum and Matt town), and now you say I´m scum together with Matt. To answer why I didn´t vote Matt early, at the time I was weighing on what Matt was and engaged him in conversation to get a better read, but until Palmar confirmed how Nosy Neighbors works, there wasn´t enough on Matt for me to throw down a vote. Matt was suspicious for claiming NN, but there were no proof that he was really lying at the time. Why should I vote someone who claims a town role unless I have a good reason to think he´s lying? , He basically says that if Matt flips red (which he has) then everyone looks kind of bad sometimes because of disruption and bussing something something waffle. Don't count on finding scum using Matt's flip is the message I got from that. This, in addition to his "find scum later" response to rewok reads very scummy to me. He also pushes his luck with BM regarding the bluefishing, which I don't think actually happened and Forumite is twisting the situation to make BM look bad. For the most part, he's shut up other than to call Mav scum and neglect to address the ottoxlol issue. This is null since he said he'd wanted to shut up at night, but with everything else, I'm reading heavily into Forumite being scum. - Well, I´d hope Bill Murray would at least lead a lynch on a scum sometime during this game. He´s been hanging back, most importantly during yesterdays mislynch. - I´m giving the game the time I can give, but it´s a bloody big game. Lots to read through. 1) At least the thread doesn´t grow that fast anymore, even if that´s because the scum killed the most active posters. - 2) Why Z-boson? I can´t tell, there´s a lot of scumsense and odd posts, but nothing huge and damning. There´s no single thing I can point to that is definetly a scum move, but several that make me suspect there´s a scum motivation somewhere. It´s a big game and the two flipped scum died very, very early, so unfortunately this is the best I can do for now. I´ve gotten a scumread on Z-boson and it´s one of the few that hasn´t changed through the game. I´ve flip-flopped on almost everyone else, but my read on him has been off for a long time. It could just be tunneling of course. 1) This is good then? Not to flatter myself, but you propose to kill the most active poster atm. Liking the silence? This is another pretty good reason why I dont wanna vote Boson lol. He puts so many words in peoples mouthes. I have no idea how "At least the thread doesn´t grow that fast anymore" becomes "you propose to kill the most active poster atm". At thats hardly the first time, he hits on everything, left and right. I somehow have a hard time believing a mafia wouldnt be more...... tactical than that. Dafuq. This if anything IS a real to vote Boson. If you believe he is putting words in peoples mouths, you believe he is pushing scum agenda by doing the following: 1) Confusing town 2) Making someone look guilty of something that wasn't said or implied 3) Creates useless discussion based on the fact of putting words in peoples mouths WOW Dafuq yourself 1) How am I confusing town?? I'm clear on my reads. I'm not going like two thirds of the people here going with: I think XXX looks suspicious. Vote XXX. How the fuck am I confusing people? I'm giving you arguments and you choose what you want with them. Don't act like I'm manipulating anybody, I'm stating facts and drawing conclusions. You can agree with the conclusions or not, but that's another matter. 2) Ok, this is ridiculous. I'm not making anyone looking guilty. I'm stating FACTS and implying conclusions. 3) Yea, nice idea of how town should behave. I'm giving you decent arguments that don't rely on "this guy looks suspicious, let's all vote for him, hooray!", and you somehow think this is scum-motivated? You cannot deny that I am clear on my reads. What part of "I want to lynch BM" do you not understand? You're just acting like a scared little sheep that can't think for yourself. It's not like I have mind powers and am manipulating you all to do as I plan and thus I'm scum. Now I want to hear it. What do you propose? What's is your idea of scumhunting, hmm? If I'm making arguments that don't exist on the BM case, let's hear it. Express your thoughts, sheep.
What. Why so defensive? This wasn't anything against/towards you, it was towards Kreb, I never said I thought you were putting words into peoples mouths. My post was about Kreb saying you putting words in peoples mouths is another reason he thinks your town, which makes no fucking sense at all. But this hardcore defensive reaction you gave me is kinda weird.
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On September 12 2012 04:35 Z-BosoN wrote:Also, eagerly awaiting your case on mav: Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 22:12 Mementoss wrote:
I am at work and don't have much time. Catching up is hard, from my reading so far I think Maverick is scum and will vote him I read the most recent case on forumite but I just don't see it. Hopefully I can finish filling in the gaps of reading tonight and actually post a worthy post of why maverick is scum. I'm hoping I can make deadline today busy day.
When I posted this I was at page 40. I'm at page 59 now. So I still have half the game to catch up on. At this point it won't change whose going to get lynched, but I still have to find out who is scum so I can be helpful day4
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I'll be really surprised if Forumite flips scum, mafia was already forced into bussing Mattchew early I doubt they would be so easy going about another bus w/o resistance on day 3, when there are so many other candidates that could easily be pushed. But I guess noobs are playing follow the toad.
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btw how grush manages to live this long every game blows my mind
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To the people saying Im uninvolved do you realize, I had 90 pages to catch up on. I guess this is what happens when you get replaced in.
Also you realize all the fucking people that made day 3 worthless by dropping by and saying forumite def scum lolololololol.
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On September 12 2012 07:50 Maverick32x wrote:
Okay.
Just read through the latest lynch... I was planning on dropping my notes but it just would look cluttered so I'm going to settle with the people that I'm REALLY sure are mafia and give my explanation for it. I am ranking them in the order of my confidence in my read.
My top 3 are tied for number 1 reads.
ShiaoPi - Scummy. Really scummy. DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- this is copied straight out of my notes that I was taking.... Honestly.. just read through his filter/posts!! There is no way this guy is town. 0. No chance. I think he voted Z-Boson because he knew it would be a throw-away vote.
Shady Sands- just scummy. Hard defends Shiao. Argues with Hapa (town). DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- So similar to the play style of ShiaoPi and there seems to be some really slight buddying occurring. He continues to live in "Matthchew" land and never seems to snap into the current thread which kind of shows me a lack of understanding. His most recent attack on Gravan to be honest is just an attempt to push an early vote while scum is being successful.
Rewok- side steps responsibility constantly. He has ONE PAGE OF FILTER. (@!#*(@!* So either awful town, or scum.
DoYouHas Mementoss- Totally uninvolved. Voted me besides it having zero impact on the game.
Scummy. His ONE saving grace is that he repped DoYouHas... the only problem with that is DoYouHas was kind of scummy.... and Mementoss is doing just about nothing to save that... Also Shady's 'coin flip' indicates that one of his options is scum... and its Mementoss.
Toadesstern- Random poker talk? Discusses roles bit. Rustles up the forumite case based off a different game. Makes an interesting accusation that either Grush OR sandy is scum… makes me think Grush is likely town and Shadey is scum based on my reads above. Defends Shady shortly after that "Or" post and soft attacks him same post indicating some sort of ambivalence about being too closely connected. DISAPPEARS when its voting time, even though he kind of was a major advocate of the Forumite lynch at the start.....
slosh- posts late. Softly attacks forumite. References past games a lot. Afks most of the game when discussions are getting active. Gets active on Forumite then gone. He references that scum's plan is likely to lay low.. which is exactly what he is doing.
So there you have it. It will take a miracle from God to get me to vote anyone but those top 3. The bottom 3 have some leverage to work with, but not much.
Shit son 8 mafia in a 26 person game. Also everything about your TOP 3 scum reads can be said about you, you have a 2 page filter and lurk just as much as shiopi, shady sands or rewok. So why doesn't the case on them apply to you?
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I'm off to bed and don't post at work, so I'll try to get a decent post 2 hours before the deadline. Hopefully it will get day 4 out on the right foot discussion wise. Too many lurkers and sheep in this game.
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EBWOP: Don't post anything lengthy (cases) at work*
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gotta go to wings and beer after work, sorry not gunna make deadline, I will be helpful day 4 if I don't die.
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How long do we have 7 hours or 31 hours?
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On September 13 2012 22:46 Toadesstern wrote:
voting for Mementoss to get lynched seems like a good plan for today. Thoughts?
wat
Trying to kill all discussion like your let happen in day 3? You seem so scummy but the events that happened last night were such a mindfuck im trying to wrap my head around it. But, you are one of the best scum players around so your confidence in knowing about Zbosons fakeclaim then killing him to confirm yourself would be a game winning move for yourself. This is how you usually play as scum, big moves, that win you games. I'm not convinced about the WIFOM garbage from last night and neither should anyone else. Treat Toad by his filter, not by the zboson scandal.
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Alright lets kill scum.
Maverickx32:
This guy is so obviously scum its unreal how he is still alive. The only reason he was ignored in day 1 was because of ottoxlols crazy play (typical of him). Lets take a walk through his filter.
On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote:
Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts.
First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture"....
That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern.
The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend....
Here, this statement is so wishy washy and shitty its unbelievable. He doesn't say he thinks mattchew is scum or town, he says he feels uncomfortable voting. You know who feels unconfortable voting? Scum. Voting promotes discussion and allows town to get consolidation on the best lynch for the end of the day. Also, waiting until other people vote allows for you to more easily blend in. This post alone was worth a vig shot after mattchew flipped scum.
On September 04 2012 23:52 Maverick32x wrote:
I voted for Matt due to the lying- but I would be curious to hear if he has a defense of some kind??
This is basically him pleading his scum buddy who fucked up to somehow fix it.
On September 06 2012 08:01 Maverick32x wrote:
Why am I being casually FoS'ed? I don't think I've ever seen a solid case against me, but I keep seeing people just drop my name into the list as an add-on without any reason?
I find THAT a bit suspicious.
Yes, people has been name dropping your scummy play all game, and it keeps getting brushed under the rug? You know why, because scum is diverting attention to more popular cases. Also, nice trying to shift the attention off yourself onto the accusers. Also, you never once comment on ANY of the cases put on you.
On September 07 2012 10:14 Maverick32x wrote:
I don't even know what Dwarf Fortress Mafia is?? How is that relevant?
And yes- I acknowledge I defended Matt because I had no reason NOT to. He had just made a post and a couple people started to jump on him about it.
I honestly would not of voted him if Palmer didn't say that NN were not self-aware.
I'm not too concerned with 'looking better' but rather trying to scum hunt and win.
Its not that you defended matt, its that you wouldnt give a solid stance on him at all. Only commented on it so you could be seen as being 'active'. BTW if you'd rather scum hunt than why haven't you at all this game? Pre-game you stated you haev lots fo time for the game, however, your filter is 2 pages in a 100 page game. Strange. You obviously just made the few short cases to say "hey I made casez guyz" Because just shortly later your like, yeah I guess I'm wrong, lets lynch a lurker. Cause thats always a safe thing to say to be town right? Even though you yourself are the one lurking in plain sight.
On September 07 2012 22:05 Maverick32x wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 20:51 Forumite wrote:On September 07 2012 13:12 Maverick32x wrote:
@Forumite-
I guess we have different perspectives when it comes to scum hunting? The majority of players are town.. so wouldn't it be smarter to do some 'innocent until proven guilty'? As opposed to just blasting everyone because everyone else is doing it?
All this being said- I'm wondering if we should just lynch a lurker? I feel like allowing scum to lurk is a bad plan? I don´t think you are paranoid enough for this game. Everyone is a possible scum until they are confirmed or flip. If two players attack eachother, then you look at the conversation to get a feel if one of them are scummy, a case and a defence against that case is a source of information, but if you interfere in a way that shuts down the conversation, then that opportunity for information and analysis disappear. As for lurker lynch, why don´t you want to lynch me? You called me scum after the daypost. Because you're posting. And that's atleast an indication of some kind of engagement. BKE has fluffy posts, defends Matt a bit, and then just kinda floats around....however, I'm sticking with my lurking instincts and just going to take ShiaoPi out.
On September 08 2012 02:13 Maverick32x wrote:
I honestly have no problem voting BKE. I thought I was clear with reason I voted for Shiao... I wanted him to post... And look!! He's had more posts after be called out than all game!
Also yes- I'm considering more than one person as scummy or pointing out odd behaviors...
Not going to lie, by voting with your instincts, It really sounded like you wanted people to think he was scum, but wait it was just a pressure vote. Also I think the real reason you voted Shio was to keep off the bad BKE bandwagon for as long as you could.
Then you basically make a case on BKE after the fact that he is the popular choice for the day. It feels so forced, you aren;t scum hutning to find scum, you are scum hunting because you need to blend in.
On September 11 2012 13:19 Maverick32x wrote:
1) I'm voting Z-Boson...
2)- I made a whole post on forumite....
3)- Yup.
I think my post did rustle up some friction....
On September 07 2012 09:40 Maverick32x wrote:Dang, you guys know my play style better than I do!! Okay, I'm flipping through filters and I don't want to OMGUS , but come on Forumite..... your scumminess is showing... Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 21:19 Forumite wrote:On September 05 2012 12:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
Allright, Mattchew is set to be lynched.
What can we conclude if he flips scum or town?
In the unlikely event that he will flip town, will we have enough evidence to go for a BC lynch?
My take is, if he flips town, BC's suspicions will go way up, but I don't agree with insta-lynch. We all agreed that fakeclaiming is not something a blue role would do, and is most likely coming from scum.
If he flips scum, then we will take a long hard look at the people who insist that he shouldn't be lynched.
Ox, as of now, is my top candidate for a lynch. He's been so obnoxious and so annoying regarding the whole Mattchew business that he looks the most suspicious up to now. He also has been of zero usefulness this entire game.
@Shiaopi
Your meta is a little off from Dwarf Mafia, where you were town and had much more contribuitive posts in day 1. When will your internet be fixed? Basically that, if Matt flips town, then BC could be anything, but if Matt flips scum then BC is most likely town, and everyone who defended Matt until Palmars confirmation looks kind of bad. People who defend Matt after Palmars confirmation look bad for creating a disruption over something that is allready decided, that Matt lied and needs to die, but I think most scum jumped on the bandwagon long ago. If Matt is an Assassin then we get rid of both the 3rd Party in return for 2 townies dead. Not a good trade, but I think it´s unlikely that Matt is an assassin. There´s no point in not defending yourself to the end as a 3rd Party, while scum often shut up to avoid giving away any of their buddies. On September 05 2012 14:38 Bill Murray wrote:
No, Forumite. I don't see how you get that whatsoever. I see you as being scum with Mattchew for not jumping on voting him there. Isn´t that a different accusation? Before you accuse me of trying to get Matt to claim (meaning that you thought I was scum and Matt town), and now you say I´m scum together with Matt. To answer why I didn´t vote Matt early, at the time I was weighing on what Matt was and engaged him in conversation to get a better read, but until Palmar confirmed how Nosy Neighbors works, there wasn´t enough on Matt for me to throw down a vote. Matt was suspicious for claiming NN, but there were no proof that he was really lying at the time. Why should I vote someone who claims a town role unless I have a good reason to think he´s lying? ^ Circumstantial connections. And a lot of hypothetical connections in this defense. Not to mention he kind of alludes to the fact that by now the scum have jumped on the band wagon. Also he is REALLY trying to distance himself from Matt.. excessively so... I'll be posting more shortly- but this one just made me /facepalm and I wanted to post while still fresh in my mind. Another thing that I was thinking- Forumite accuses me and Hapahauli as his number 1 and 2 scum reads. I have 2 problems with this- 1) I'm not scum.2) Hapahauli was one of the people who seemed adamant about asking if NN is self-aware.... that seems awfully townie to me.
Guys look how town I am, I have to announce it almost every chance I get.
On September 09 2012 12:43 Maverick32x wrote:
Well- with BKE's flip, I think we need to look at people who weren't involved in any discussion and voted anyways, or people who are lurking.... Lurking seems to be really popular in this game?
I'm thinking that we need to start putting pressure on the lurkers to try to stir something up there. I will start to look through some filters to get a better idea of who these people would be, but I figure that may be a good start.
Lurking and not invloved in dicusssion. Like yourself? You have been saying this shit ALL game, but you have done NOTHING to change it or even try to be invloved yourself.
On September 12 2012 07:50 Maverick32x wrote:
Okay.
Just read through the latest lynch... I was planning on dropping my notes but it just would look cluttered so I'm going to settle with the people that I'm REALLY sure are mafia and give my explanation for it. I am ranking them in the order of my confidence in my read.
My top 3 are tied for number 1 reads.
ShiaoPi - Scummy. Really scummy. DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- this is copied straight out of my notes that I was taking.... Honestly.. just read through his filter/posts!! There is no way this guy is town. 0. No chance. I think he voted Z-Boson because he knew it would be a throw-away vote.
Shady Sands- just scummy. Hard defends Shiao. Argues with Hapa (town). DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- So similar to the play style of ShiaoPi and there seems to be some really slight buddying occurring. He continues to live in "Matthchew" land and never seems to snap into the current thread which kind of shows me a lack of understanding. His most recent attack on Gravan to be honest is just an attempt to push an early vote while scum is being successful.
Rewok- side steps responsibility constantly. He has ONE PAGE OF FILTER. (@!#*(@!* So either awful town, or scum.
DoYouHas Mementoss- Totally uninvolved. Voted me besides it having zero impact on the game.
Scummy. His ONE saving grace is that he repped DoYouHas... the only problem with that is DoYouHas was kind of scummy.... and Mementoss is doing just about nothing to save that... Also Shady's 'coin flip' indicates that one of his options is scum... and its Mementoss.
Toadesstern- Random poker talk? Discusses roles bit. Rustles up the forumite case based off a different game. Makes an interesting accusation that either Grush OR sandy is scum… makes me think Grush is likely town and Shadey is scum based on my reads above. Defends Shady shortly after that "Or" post and soft attacks him same post indicating some sort of ambivalence about being too closely connected. DISAPPEARS when its voting time, even though he kind of was a major advocate of the Forumite lynch at the start.....
slosh- posts late. Softly attacks forumite. References past games a lot. Afks most of the game when discussions are getting active. Gets active on Forumite then gone. He references that scum's plan is likely to lay low.. which is exactly what he is doing.
So there you have it. It will take a miracle from God to get me to vote anyone but those top 3. The bottom 3 have some leverage to work with, but not much.
This is just awful. Lets make cases on all the lurkers so if someone decides to kill a lurker it wont be maverick. Also it's really easy to do this as scum to look liek contributing but really, doing a case on 6 players doesn;t put ANY pressure on any of them to do anything. The cases are so short and bad they have no leverage to gain steam and force any discussion. Even if it did gain steam scum could jsut redirect maverick throguh one of the scum list that is actually town. God damn man.
On September 13 2012 12:45 Maverick32x wrote:
Though a decent argument could be started with Darth's latest post...
Its pretty obvious why Toad would be considered 'confirmed town' based off Z-boson's threat that he would take a mafia down with his role..... Sounds like you're playing ignorant? Either way, you avoided my top 3 list, so I'll let it slide.
Toad is not anywhere close to confirmed town don't be ignorant.
On September 13 2012 12:43 Maverick32x wrote:
voting ShiaoPi...
Nice lets have another day 3 where nobody talks. This is really getting the town involved in discussion... not.
And just to let you guys know. Mav is no noob. His first game was like 9 months ago with my first game. In that game he was town and was emotionally invested in what happened in the game. He was helping to lead the town and actualyl cared aout what happened. This game he is just going with the motions and actively lurking to slide by. The feel is a million times different. This is just supplemental to all the scummy shit he did all game. I know its old meta but take a look.
None of the cases on maverick take off and he never gets enough votes to feel any pressure. This is because his team is fucking helping him slide by. He's been at least a target or mentioned by a couple people every cycle.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315941
I have more to come later but I'm on lunch at work. So vote maverick cause hes obviously scum and its a start.
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His play reminds me a lot like Zephridd from PTP3 scummy as fuck from the start, has multiple cases on most peoples radar every cycle. But never gets lynched. I had Zephridd pegged that game and I have Maverick pegged this game.
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On September 14 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Yeah I'd be willing to lynch anyone out of Gravan, Mementoss and Mav today (so far).
But I'm willing to sheep someone else today, for the good of town!
If your town we need you so stop trolling and put something legit together.
If not just go in a corner and die.
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I have two questions about the night:
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4?
Why was MKFuba killed?
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On September 14 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote:
Nice find there sloosh.
##Vote: Maverick32x
Also you guys don't get how BM plays.
Why you voting Mav, its already been acknowledged that the problem of this game are posts exactly like this one.
What do you think about slooshs find; Does it means SnB is scum or what
If you could explain how BM plays that would be nice.
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On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:25 Mementoss wrote:
I have two questions about the night:
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4?
Why was MKFuba killed? Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else.
Yeah but if you were mafia you would have shot Zboson to make yourself look more townie.
You said this DIRECTLY after the mad hatter claim:
On September 13 2012 05:30 Toadesstern wrote:
I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not?
Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip.
If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long.
However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow.
So I propose this:
Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p
So you being alive after Mad Hatter claim and boson is dead means nothing to me and should mean nothing to anyone.
1) If your town, mafia shoots ZBoson and hopes to kill you as well
2) If your mafia, you already were confident it was a fakeclaim and killed Zboson to somewhat confirm yourself.
The fact that you act as it somewhat confirms you as town anymore than anything else is concerning.
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On September 14 2012 05:33 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:10 Mementoss wrote:On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 04:25 Mementoss wrote:
I have two questions about the night:
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4?
Why was MKFuba killed? Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. Yeah but if you were mafia you would have shot Zboson to make yourself look more townie. You said this DIRECTLY after the mad hatter claim: On September 13 2012 05:30 Toadesstern wrote:
I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not?
Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip.
If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long.
However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow.
So I propose this:
Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p So you being alive after Mad Hatter claim and boson is dead means nothing to me and should mean nothing to anyone. 1) If your town, mafia shoots ZBoson and hopes to kill you as well 2) If your mafia, you already were confident it was a fakeclaim and killed Zboson to somewhat confirm yourself. The fact that you act as it somewhat confirms you as town anymore than anything else is concerning. acting confident in the thread as mafia and shooting the guy in the balls who claims to have a bomb on you are two very different things. Again, yes I'm a bold mafia player in general but that? Risking everything when I'm totally fine (assuming I'm mafia) with just shooting someone else who did not claim to have a bomb on me?You now know that Z-Boson is town because he flipped town but you think anyone would have considered lynching me after his post? Even if both Boson and I survived I wouldn't even look bad because of that so there's not a single reason for me to take that gamble that could possibly lose my team (still assuming I'm mafia) the game just on the whim that I'm thinking the guy is fakeclaiming. There's just no reason to shoot Boson from a mafia perspective if I am mafia. Not a single one that isn't overshadowed by massive drawbacks even if I considered it to be a fakeclaim while there is a shitton of reasoning for shooting Boson if I'm town. Just stop it, go scumhunt somewhere else. You won't find something at my place.
The bolded part is pretty hilarious consider this:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046
You and VE started bussing eachother very early when you were both looking pretty fine. Highly risky play is it not?
I'll drop it for the moment, but I think its important for people to know. For now I would like to get some good stuff out of you. Whats the best lynch for today and why, and do you have any other strong scum reads or cases to present?
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On September 14 2012 05:26 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:58 grush57 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 Mementoss wrote:On September 14 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote:
Nice find there sloosh.
##Vote: Maverick32x
Also you guys don't get how BM plays. Why you voting Mav, its already been acknowledged that the problem of this game are posts exactly like this one. What do you think about slooshs find; Does it means SnB is scum or what If you could explain how BM plays that would be nice. The sloosh post I'm talking about is about Maverick. BM does one liners regardless and makes jokes in half his posts, just how he plays you guys aren't going to get anywhere calling that scummy  You still didn't answer the question. How does that make Mav scum? Also, look at Grav, and tell me you don't see a scum. Today is for Grav. Tomorrow is for MMToss or maybe Mav, once I finish reading his filter. I am not switching my vote to anyone but Grav, and I hope everyone here understands that and can show this scumbastard the noose.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ lets decide the lynch for tomorrow, cause thats helpful and creates discussion >_>
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On September 14 2012 05:36 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:33 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 05:10 Mementoss wrote:On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 04:25 Mementoss wrote:
I have two questions about the night:
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4?
Why was MKFuba killed? Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. Yeah but if you were mafia you would have shot Zboson to make yourself look more townie. You said this DIRECTLY after the mad hatter claim: On September 13 2012 05:30 Toadesstern wrote:
I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not?
Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip.
If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long.
However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow.
So I propose this:
Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p So you being alive after Mad Hatter claim and boson is dead means nothing to me and should mean nothing to anyone. 1) If your town, mafia shoots ZBoson and hopes to kill you as well 2) If your mafia, you already were confident it was a fakeclaim and killed Zboson to somewhat confirm yourself. The fact that you act as it somewhat confirms you as town anymore than anything else is concerning. acting confident in the thread as mafia and shooting the guy in the balls who claims to have a bomb on you are two very different things. Again, yes I'm a bold mafia player in general but that? Risking everything when I'm totally fine (assuming I'm mafia) with just shooting someone else who did not claim to have a bomb on me? You now know that Z-Boson is town because he flipped town but you think anyone would have considered lynching me after his post? Even if both Boson and I survived I wouldn't even look bad because of that so there's not a single reason for me to take that gamble that could possibly lose my team (still assuming I'm mafia) the game just on the whim that I'm thinking the guy is fakeclaiming. There's just no reason to shoot Boson from a mafia perspective if I am mafia. Not a single one that isn't overshadowed by massive drawbacks even if I considered it to be a fakeclaim while there is a shitton of reasoning for shooting Boson if I'm town. Just stop it, go scumhunt somewhere else. You won't find something at my place. I think MMT's continual harping on this subject is what he's using to substitute for actual scumhunting. He knows no one is going to ever lynch you, so his mislynching efforts will never see the light of day. That being said though, I think it's better that he dies tomorrow. Today is a day for Gravan. What do you think about him?
wat? I guess trying to kill scumaverick isnt considered scum hunting. I think im harping on the subject because people are sheeping so hard this game and refuse to do any thinking for themselves. I'm just bringing out the facts that thinking toad is town because of that could very well be getting blindsided.
Also, wtf another set-up for the mislynch tomorrow.
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On September 14 2012 06:17 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:57 Mementoss wrote:On September 14 2012 05:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 05:33 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 05:10 Mementoss wrote:On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 04:25 Mementoss wrote:
I have two questions about the night:
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4?
Why was MKFuba killed? Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. Yeah but if you were mafia you would have shot Zboson to make yourself look more townie. You said this DIRECTLY after the mad hatter claim: On September 13 2012 05:30 Toadesstern wrote:
I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not?
Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip.
If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long.
However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow.
So I propose this:
Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p So you being alive after Mad Hatter claim and boson is dead means nothing to me and should mean nothing to anyone. 1) If your town, mafia shoots ZBoson and hopes to kill you as well 2) If your mafia, you already were confident it was a fakeclaim and killed Zboson to somewhat confirm yourself. The fact that you act as it somewhat confirms you as town anymore than anything else is concerning. acting confident in the thread as mafia and shooting the guy in the balls who claims to have a bomb on you are two very different things. Again, yes I'm a bold mafia player in general but that? Risking everything when I'm totally fine (assuming I'm mafia) with just shooting someone else who did not claim to have a bomb on me? You now know that Z-Boson is town because he flipped town but you think anyone would have considered lynching me after his post? Even if both Boson and I survived I wouldn't even look bad because of that so there's not a single reason for me to take that gamble that could possibly lose my team (still assuming I'm mafia) the game just on the whim that I'm thinking the guy is fakeclaiming. There's just no reason to shoot Boson from a mafia perspective if I am mafia. Not a single one that isn't overshadowed by massive drawbacks even if I considered it to be a fakeclaim while there is a shitton of reasoning for shooting Boson if I'm town. Just stop it, go scumhunt somewhere else. You won't find something at my place. I think MMT's continual harping on this subject is what he's using to substitute for actual scumhunting. He knows no one is going to ever lynch you, so his mislynching efforts will never see the light of day. That being said though, I think it's better that he dies tomorrow. Today is a day for Gravan. What do you think about him? wat? I guess trying to kill scumaverick isnt considered scum hunting. I think im harping on the subject because people are sheeping so hard this game and refuse to do any thinking for themselves. I'm just bringing out the facts that thinking toad is town because of that could very well be getting blindsided. Also, wtf another set-up for the mislynch tomorrow. I was referring to your harping on Toad as useless, not your harping on Mav. My read on Mav is still gray, as I haven't finished reading his filter yet.
How is creating discussion useless?
Also there are still 24.5 hours left, if you don;'t agree with the cases explain why and make a case of your own on somebody. The more discussion the better.
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On September 14 2012 06:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:13 slOosh wrote:On September 11 2012 01:21 Toadesstern wrote:
Let's be honest here:
I think if we lynch into one of either Forumite, S&B, BM or Z-Boson we're going to hit "not-townie" all the way. On September 14 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Yeah I'd be willing to lynch anyone out of Gravan, Mementoss and Mav today (so far).
But I'm willing to sheep someone else today, for the good of town! Something is definitely out of order here. It's like you don't care who get's lynched. How did your scum reads change so drastically? I explained that like 3 times. Do you want me to quote it or are you going to search for it yourself?
On September 13 2012 19:57 Toadesstern wrote:
I said either BM or Foru are mafia later on. Something like d2, n2 or d3 I guess? So that one would be the more updated read on BM but not sure if that still holds.
It was based on the "there has to be a mafia vet" assumption and forumite flipping green (=neither red nor black) pretty much destroyed that, or at least it now has an interesting twist to it:
As far as I know we don't actually know whether we've got Assassins in this game or not. If we have some it's highly likely that BM and S&B are those Assassins because hosts don't usually give 3rd party roles to new guys because they're hard to play. If that's the case we obviously don't have a mafia within those 2.
If we don't have Assassins to begin with we probably still have a mafia within those 2.
Not sure I want to take that gamble today.
Is this your explanation? So you think BM and S&B are not scum based on some setup nonsense, or am I reading this wrong?
That being said, S&B get your ass in here and do something useful.
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EBWOP:
Also there are still 24.5 hours left, if you don;'t agree with the cases explain why and make a case of your own on somebody. The more discussion the better.
This was meant to be directed at all, not towards only ShadySands
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On September 05 2012 09:27 goodkarma wrote:
I would agree with Hapa that Mattchew is almost a 100% scum read. He's done a good job of highlighting why.
But there is more than one scum. We need to move past Mattchew onto pressuring other people. A scum lynch day one puts us in an excellent position going forward. Looking at others' filters I couldn't help but notice that there still are a considerable number of people that need to participate more to help ensure a strong pro-town environment going into day 2.
Grush is at modkill-threshold. I don't expect he's going to be around all that much longer. Until he makes his first post, I consider any time spent pressuring him as a waste.
On the other hand, Gravan, MKfuba, austinmc, maverick, ShadySands, and ShioPi all stand out to me as semi-lurkers. Some of them seem to have legitimate reasons (such as ShadySands), but that doesn't mean they aren't scum with legitimate reasons.
Don't mafia usually try to at least list one fellow team mate in these things lol.
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On September 14 2012 06:41 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:23 Gravan wrote:On September 14 2012 05:22 Shady Sands wrote:Gravan's above post is anti-town defensive play at its scummy worst. In addition to my prior charges against him, now I can say he's lying as well: First off, he says I'm actively lurking. I'm not. Actively lurking would be posting heavily and having a 10 or 15 page filter without substance. I'm simply lurking. I even say it myself that my activity level is low. Second, he says I started a bandwagon on him based on Forumite's green flip. That's an oversimplification. I started the wagon on Gravan because he piled onto Forumite when the case on Forumite was all but assured, using other people's analysis as his own reasoning, in an attempt to look contributory. The fact that Forumite flipped green is just icing on the cake. Grav's trying to twist the truth here; don't fall for it. Third, the vig hit was called out because of my case on Gravan before the Day post came around. Gravan even quotes it in his post. It's a bit late for a wagon so I will say this: town, please look into vigi-shooting one of these two tonight if Forumite flips green. Vig please hit Gravan or MMToss. Again, don't fall for Grav's lies. I already called for a vig hit there with evidence, so why should I clutter up the thread and repeat what I wrote? Fourth, of course I'm going to keep the heat on Gravan: he is the scummiest read I have, so shouldn't I be trying to get my top scumread lynched? -- Now, onto his defense: Grav posts a lot about how he shares a ton of characteristics with many other people. This is a non-defense. How does sharing a bunch of scummy characteristics with other people make you less likely to be a scum? Then says that people who are voting for him specifically are voting because: I think that the only reason the vote is primarily focused on me at the moment is because the bandwagon began earlier on me than it did on anyone else (started by the mafia, I have no doubt) and it is easy to point at my D1 post about Matt, as well as my general lurkiness. Hang on a second: Grav wasn't the first wagon: the wagon on MMToss started at the same time as his did. (Another lie.) Second, the other reasons are all great reasons to vote for Grav specifically: The D1 post about Matt--soft defense of someone that was later a scum caught trying to fakeclaim. The active lurkiness--both of those reasons, if you believe them, should put Grav at the top of your list of scum reads. And to those reasons which he himself admits to, we can also add the reason of lying. Lynch Grav, the actively lurking, OMGUS-ing, lying, soft-defending, scum. I am lying because you've interpreted what "actively lurking" means differently than I have? That is a difference in semantics, not lying. You keep mentioning my "lies", and how there is this apparently strong evidence towards me being scummy, but you really are not making a case.You're just pointing the finger at me, picking apart what I say, and calling it scummy. Toad then pops in, mindlessly agrees, and continues talking on to talk about a different lynch topic. On September 14 2012 05:36 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 05:27 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 04:25 Mementoss wrote:
I have two questions about the night:
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4?
Why was MKFuba killed? Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. Toad, look at Grav and tell me how you don't see a scum. I very much think he's scum. I like my vote on Mementoss better for the moment though. If only for the reason that I no longer want to lynch Mementoss first. Does nobody else see something wrong here? Stop playing coy. Out with it. Are you calling Toad scum?
Gravan conviently dissapears. lol
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On September 14 2012 07:08 Gravan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:41 slOosh wrote:On September 14 2012 06:23 Gravan wrote:On September 14 2012 05:22 Shady Sands wrote:Gravan's above post is anti-town defensive play at its scummy worst. In addition to my prior charges against him, now I can say he's lying as well: First off, he says I'm actively lurking. I'm not. Actively lurking would be posting heavily and having a 10 or 15 page filter without substance. I'm simply lurking. I even say it myself that my activity level is low. Second, he says I started a bandwagon on him based on Forumite's green flip. That's an oversimplification. I started the wagon on Gravan because he piled onto Forumite when the case on Forumite was all but assured, using other people's analysis as his own reasoning, in an attempt to look contributory. The fact that Forumite flipped green is just icing on the cake. Grav's trying to twist the truth here; don't fall for it. Third, the vig hit was called out because of my case on Gravan before the Day post came around. Gravan even quotes it in his post. It's a bit late for a wagon so I will say this: town, please look into vigi-shooting one of these two tonight if Forumite flips green. Vig please hit Gravan or MMToss. Again, don't fall for Grav's lies. I already called for a vig hit there with evidence, so why should I clutter up the thread and repeat what I wrote? Fourth, of course I'm going to keep the heat on Gravan: he is the scummiest read I have, so shouldn't I be trying to get my top scumread lynched? -- Now, onto his defense: Grav posts a lot about how he shares a ton of characteristics with many other people. This is a non-defense. How does sharing a bunch of scummy characteristics with other people make you less likely to be a scum? Then says that people who are voting for him specifically are voting because: I think that the only reason the vote is primarily focused on me at the moment is because the bandwagon began earlier on me than it did on anyone else (started by the mafia, I have no doubt) and it is easy to point at my D1 post about Matt, as well as my general lurkiness. Hang on a second: Grav wasn't the first wagon: the wagon on MMToss started at the same time as his did. (Another lie.) Second, the other reasons are all great reasons to vote for Grav specifically: The D1 post about Matt--soft defense of someone that was later a scum caught trying to fakeclaim. The active lurkiness--both of those reasons, if you believe them, should put Grav at the top of your list of scum reads. Also: On September 14 2012 07:03 Mementoss wrote:On September 14 2012 06:41 slOosh wrote:On September 14 2012 06:23 Gravan wrote:On September 14 2012 05:22 Shady Sands wrote:Gravan's above post is anti-town defensive play at its scummy worst. In addition to my prior charges against him, now I can say he's lying as well: First off, he says I'm actively lurking. I'm not. Actively lurking would be posting heavily and having a 10 or 15 page filter without substance. I'm simply lurking. I even say it myself that my activity level is low. Second, he says I started a bandwagon on him based on Forumite's green flip. That's an oversimplification. I started the wagon on Gravan because he piled onto Forumite when the case on Forumite was all but assured, using other people's analysis as his own reasoning, in an attempt to look contributory. The fact that Forumite flipped green is just icing on the cake. Grav's trying to twist the truth here; don't fall for it. Third, the vig hit was called out because of my case on Gravan before the Day post came around. Gravan even quotes it in his post. It's a bit late for a wagon so I will say this: town, please look into vigi-shooting one of these two tonight if Forumite flips green. Vig please hit Gravan or MMToss. Again, don't fall for Grav's lies. I already called for a vig hit there with evidence, so why should I clutter up the thread and repeat what I wrote? Fourth, of course I'm going to keep the heat on Gravan: he is the scummiest read I have, so shouldn't I be trying to get my top scumread lynched? -- Now, onto his defense: Grav posts a lot about how he shares a ton of characteristics with many other people. This is a non-defense. How does sharing a bunch of scummy characteristics with other people make you less likely to be a scum? Then says that people who are voting for him specifically are voting because: I think that the only reason the vote is primarily focused on me at the moment is because the bandwagon began earlier on me than it did on anyone else (started by the mafia, I have no doubt) and it is easy to point at my D1 post about Matt, as well as my general lurkiness. Hang on a second: Grav wasn't the first wagon: the wagon on MMToss started at the same time as his did. (Another lie.) Second, the other reasons are all great reasons to vote for Grav specifically: The D1 post about Matt--soft defense of someone that was later a scum caught trying to fakeclaim. The active lurkiness--both of those reasons, if you believe them, should put Grav at the top of your list of scum reads. And to those reasons which he himself admits to, we can also add the reason of lying. Lynch Grav, the actively lurking, OMGUS-ing, lying, soft-defending, scum. I am lying because you've interpreted what "actively lurking" means differently than I have? That is a difference in semantics, not lying. You keep mentioning my "lies", and how there is this apparently strong evidence towards me being scummy, but you really are not making a case.You're just pointing the finger at me, picking apart what I say, and calling it scummy. Toad then pops in, mindlessly agrees, and continues talking on to talk about a different lynch topic. On September 14 2012 05:36 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 05:27 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:
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Are you reading the game?
Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me?
They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill).
Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson.
Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here.
Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday.
I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far.
You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. Toad, look at Grav and tell me how you don't see a scum. I very much think he's scum. I like my vote on Mementoss better for the moment though. If only for the reason that I no longer want to lynch Mementoss first. Does nobody else see something wrong here? Stop playing coy. Out with it. Are you calling Toad scum? Gravan conviently dissapears. lol Really? I have been gone, what, a few hours? And to those reasons which he himself admits to, we can also add the reason of lying. Lynch Grav, the actively lurking, OMGUS-ing, lying, soft-defending, scum. I am lying because you've interpreted what "actively lurking" means differently than I have? That is a difference in semantics, not lying. You keep mentioning my "lies", and how there is this apparently strong evidence towards me being scummy, but you really are not making a case.You're just pointing the finger at me, picking apart what I say, and calling it scummy. Toad then pops in, mindlessly agrees, and continues talking on to talk about a different lynch topic. On September 14 2012 05:36 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 05:27 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 14 2012 04:25 Mementoss wrote:
I have two questions about the night:
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4?
Why was MKFuba killed? Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. Toad, look at Grav and tell me how you don't see a scum. I very much think he's scum. I like my vote on Mementoss better for the moment though. If only for the reason that I no longer want to lynch Mementoss first. Does nobody else see something wrong here? Stop playing coy. Out with it. Are you calling Toad scum? I am trying to incite some discussion on the topic. I am still reading through toad's filter and I find it very difficult to get a read on him. He spends a lot of time arguing meta and boasting about how great he is at mafia, but he also appears to contribute. Really, I just want to point out that, if you guys do lynch me, when I flip green, to take a good hard look at Toad's interactions with Shady - something I am currently doing.
What do you think of my case on Maverick do you think Maverick is scum, all you said about him was using his scuminess to defend your scuminess....
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On September 14 2012 07:51 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:42 Gravan wrote:As a final aside, imallinson is critical of Mav's scumreads being based on lurkers, and is now voting on me on that very basis. On September 12 2012 21:12 imallinson wrote:On September 12 2012 07:50 Maverick32x wrote:
Okay.
Just read through the latest lynch... I was planning on dropping my notes but it just would look cluttered so I'm going to settle with the people that I'm REALLY sure are mafia and give my explanation for it. I am ranking them in the order of my confidence in my read.
My top 3 are tied for number 1 reads.
ShiaoPi - Scummy. Really scummy. DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- this is copied straight out of my notes that I was taking.... Honestly.. just read through his filter/posts!! There is no way this guy is town. 0. No chance. I think he voted Z-Boson because he knew it would be a throw-away vote.
Shady Sands- just scummy. Hard defends Shiao. Argues with Hapa (town). DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- So similar to the play style of ShiaoPi and there seems to be some really slight buddying occurring. He continues to live in "Matthchew" land and never seems to snap into the current thread which kind of shows me a lack of understanding. His most recent attack on Gravan to be honest is just an attempt to push an early vote while scum is being successful.
Rewok- side steps responsibility constantly. He has ONE PAGE OF FILTER. (@!#*(@!* So either awful town, or scum.
DoYouHas Mementoss- Totally uninvolved. Voted me besides it having zero impact on the game.
Scummy. His ONE saving grace is that he repped DoYouHas... the only problem with that is DoYouHas was kind of scummy.... and Mementoss is doing just about nothing to save that... Also Shady's 'coin flip' indicates that one of his options is scum... and its Mementoss.
Toadesstern- Random poker talk? Discusses roles bit. Rustles up the forumite case based off a different game. Makes an interesting accusation that either Grush OR sandy is scum… makes me think Grush is likely town and Shadey is scum based on my reads above. Defends Shady shortly after that "Or" post and soft attacks him same post indicating some sort of ambivalence about being too closely connected. DISAPPEARS when its voting time, even though he kind of was a major advocate of the Forumite lynch at the start.....
slosh- posts late. Softly attacks forumite. References past games a lot. Afks most of the game when discussions are getting active. Gets active on Forumite then gone. He references that scum's plan is likely to lay low.. which is exactly what he is doing.
So there you have it. It will take a miracle from God to get me to vote anyone but those top 3. The bottom 3 have some leverage to work with, but not much. Does anyone else find this post really off. His 'top 3 scum reads' is just a list of lurkers there isn't anything substantive to go on. By now there should be more to build a case on than 'disappearing around the vote'. Ok, this is just straight up bullshit. The reason why I'm voting you has nothing to do with you lurking. It's to do with you soft defending Matt day 1 but more this: Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 03:04 imallinson wrote:I was really suspicious of him night 1, he was one of my top scum reads due then. I kind of forgot about him after that because he started actually contributing a bit and the BKE case was much stronger. The way he dealt with the day 3 voting has made me suspicious of him again. Before the start of day 3 he says how much he dislikes the meta arguments + Show Spoiler +On September 10 2012 03:52 Gravan wrote:
There is a lot of "in this game x player played like this" or, "y is a veteran, therefore the following is probable...". While I think these are fine as supporting arguments (since past tendencies/experience are relevant things to consider) I feel like all this talk of veterans and meta play is clouding and overtaking what people have actually said and how people have actually been playing. . The first thing we get day 3 is this + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2012 04:54 Gravan wrote:
At this point, my viewpoint is as follows (on the big topics):
Bill Murray is still suspicious, but, really, who the fuck knows?
Z-Boson is highly suspicious.
Forumite is highly suspicious, and very shifty. For somebody who is posting somewhat regularily, he hasn't done too much to defend himself other than point as many fingers as he can as quickly as he can - something that seems really scummy.
I wish we had another day to talk about this, heh.
##Vote Forumite. On September 12 2012 04:56 Gravan wrote:
To be a bit more clear:
Bill Murray's posting is very difficult to read, and he claims to have had more knowledge than he really ought to have had. That said, he has apparently been playing mafia for a while so he could also have just made a good read.
Z-Boson is far too defensive for my liking - it seems like he thinks that every post that isn't in agreement with him, or that pulls the discussion away from his posts, is targeted at him. which seems to be the opposite of what he said in the previous post. If you look at what BM, Z-Boson and Forumite actually posted this game BM is by far the most scummy looking. It's only if you look at the meta argument that this changes. Yet Gravan votes for Forumite anyway. I look at that and see someone who tried to look like they were contributing in the first post then trying to hide and sheep the popular vote in the second which seems awfully scummy. The fact that you are lying about the case against you to make it seem less strong is just making me think you are scum even more.
What do you think of maverick and why gravan over maverick?
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On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote:
These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan
Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above.
How do you have a townread on SnB let alone a STRONG townread, wtf, this guy hasn't done shit all game.
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On September 15 2012 01:59 Kreb wrote:Ok, first my vote so thats clear to the rest of you: #Vote GravanBecause - I already mentioned him in my previous post - His defense was, imo, lacking - The main voting targets are Mav and SS, which I already explained I dont wanna vote on. I'll also add to Mav that his defense was much better than Gravans (mainly this post) + Show Spoiler +On September 14 2012 09:00 Maverick32x wrote:Read through the case on me- There is a LOT of tunneling going on.... Also why are people STILL bringing up Matt?? My 'soft defense' occurred prior to any confirmation that he was lying... once that was confirmed.. I switched. Simple enough. As for my "blaming the lurkers is an easy strategy"- There is something unique about those top 3 that I find is different than just 'lurking'.... there is something about the frequency of posts and the disappearance of them.... I know thats not the concrete answer you guys want, so I'll try to get some 'science' to back that feeling up. Voting me is a mistake. I am a plain boring vanilla town. I just really can't understand how ShiaoPi is not scum to more people? Okay, his 'timezone' presents as an issue to discussion.... and I'll even move past the lurking to be more specific in his posts. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 12:17 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 04 2012 12:13 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Actually, Mattchew why should they claim now? Can't they just wait till its pointed out? no...that kind of defeats the purpose Lets bring it ALL the way back... He is backing up Matt's encouragement for others to claim. How is this LESS scummy than me soft defending someone who I didn't know I was lying? Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 15:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
No disrespect meant to you rewok, but what the fuck is a list full of null-reads supposed to do? It is on the first hand piling up the the thread like crazy and secondly it gives us 0 information...you are simply rehashing what happened in the thread so far.
That entire post can be summarized into: "I have no clue about you guys, mind helping to lynch scum?"
Seriously.....dafuq Right, Rewok's decision to do this sucks. Doesn't seem like Rewok and him are connected based off that post. I highlight this post mainly due to the relationship that is seen here. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 10:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
can you just shut up ottox, it gets annoying to see you harping around the same obvious nonsense all thread long.... Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 10:55 ShiaoPi wrote:@Ottox: thanks, have a good night and just cut it >_> @Hapa: Besides the ones that have been called out already (e.g. Ottox, goodkarma, Milton, all leaning scum for me, maybe with the exception of Ottox...) I do not really have some at the moment. Austin is way more inactive from the town-austin I know but that's a kind of weak meta argument right now. Also I am still waiting on Gravan On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote:
The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be. Both of these posts were made prior to Ottox's (town) death. ALSO, His statement of Ottox (town), Goodkarama(scum) and Milton (personally I think town) are leaning scum... but he 'excuses' Ottox.... LIKELY because he knows that Ottox is on the chopping block. Also, as pointed out previously, it is typical for scum to post a list, and sprinkle in scum buddies. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 16:53 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 05 2012 12:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Shiaopi
Your meta is a little off from Dwarf Mafia, where you were town and had much more contribuitive posts in day 1. When will your internet be fixed? Internet is unstable as of now, dunno if it will get better. If you are concerned about my meta you should probably read TL Mafia LV instead, since dwarf fortress was a mini, but anyway. Gravan has gone to sleep apparently without doing his promised post, which is something I really don't like... Comments made about his lack of meta- these are covered up by "Internet problems" However, observations made about his meta. Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP:
I just woke up and read through.
Matt flipped red as everyone (bar Ottox) expected, so I'll be talking about him first.
To be honest I thought for a while that Ottoxlol is just bad townie, but having caught up with the thread, naaah he is like 99%
red. Hopefully a vig shoots him tonight, so he's gone.
Also Gravan has finally done some contribution beyond Mattchew stuff, but I am not impressed at all. It feels like it was a
case for sake of writing a case on somebody to get off some pressure which has started on you. He should either be a town
kill at night or lynched tomorrow if it stays this way with all the points in thread already.
Ending the post with some comments on the cases we got this night so far. DYH brought up Hopeless1der as a candidate. Reading Hopeless' filter there is some merit to DYH's accusation, but I am not entirely sold on him being scum.
Hapa also brought out quite a switch from DrH/Blackmamba in opinion so I am interested in hearing his answer to it as well.
Looked a lot like his town play though so maybe he got some good explanation for it.
Also shouldn't lvdr be modkilled by now? no posts at all.
Him and lvdr are likely not connected- again, just another relationship point. Also, Hapa becomes his new target at this point. Similar to Ottox, he starts to pick up speed on targeting him. -He goes into a string of 1 liners at this point- likely due to my confrontation with him.- But then Hapa makes a decent post attacking him. On September 09 2012 12:44 Hapahauli wrote:
1) ShiaoPi has a reasonably active town-meta. ShiaoPi has no scum meta.
2) ShiaoPi is hardcore lurking this game, "internet issues" cited, but were not mentioned pre-game (odd, considering severity). His activity is very different from his 6 town games.
He certainly hasn't posted anything that makes me think he's town. Some other newer players have posts that show effort, but ShiaoPi has shown none. As far as I'm concerned, the above makes him scummy. If he'd like to defend himself and convince me otherwise, he should take the opportunity to do so.
Should I hold your hand too, or will that suffice?I don't want to post the WHOLE quote from Shiao- you can look it up, but again with an excuse of internet problems and a post pretty much just defending himself from Hapa who attacks him pretty hard.... Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 19:27 ShiaoPi wrote:
I would see Hapa as town. His reasoning was solid for most parts and I can understand his frustration with the game since he led a mislynch. Also his "selectiveness" reads to me as focusing on one read at a time which does not sound too bad with me. Got to go now though Similar with Ottox- ShiaoPi decides to absolve Hapa and declare him TOWN. oh ya... Hapa dies that night..... .... .... ..... Seems similar to the Ottox? Ottox attacks him.. Dies... Hapa attacks him... Dies... Something tells me this is more than just a bad feeling.... Get your votes off me you dummies. Vote Scum. Vote ShiaoPi.MAVERICK OUT! And this: + Show Spoiler +On September 14 2012 10:18 Maverick32x wrote:Doop-de-doop, I'll look at Grav. Before I dig into filters, my gut feeling of Grav is that he has been on the side lines throughout the game and that he's a new player. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 05:41 Gravan wrote:
This post is passive and is just here to give you guys some information about me.
I am reading through all the filters and will be making a real contributive post sometime soon. I haven't been keeping up with this thread as well as I ought to have. For some reason, I can't seem to access the voting link from my phone - I am trying to work out when the vote is due, but I will be submitting one in a few hours after reading and pondering, once I get back to my computer. I hope I am not missing a deadline because I really would not like to be modkilled so early on.
I am done traveling after today, so I will be properly active very shortly. Sorry for lurking and not contributing.
Again, sorry for the spam, hello and expect to start hearing from me. Passive. Very passive and apologetic. This sounds like subtle fear of being 'found out' (scummy) Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote:First, the straightforward part. It seems to me that Matt is most likely an assassin, or a very careless player. As many have said before me, there is no case for him to do what he did from a town perspective. To me, it seems that if he were mafia or town, we would likely have seen at least some kind of attempt at an explanation - either to strengthen his fellow mafia by giving them 'towncred' as they jump on his bandwagon or to try to convince us we are making a mistake as a town blue. As an assassin, he could just be seeing his end and giving up - this is of course moot if he decides to put in his piece later. Since he is apparently not a random newbie (who is a random newb, anyway ?), and clearly likes to be an active player, it shouts assasinto me. Since it is day 1 and we only have so much information, we essentially have to lynch him anyway (even if we were nearly certain he is an assassin. At this time, I'll be throwing my vote his way. The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be. Wants to blend in. Still apologizing. Pretty bad first couple posts. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 13:30 Gravan wrote:On September 05 2012 13:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Why is he voting Mattchew if he's convinced he's an assassin? Hell that post doesn't really explain why he's even voting - "we essentially have to lynch him anyway" - wut? This is my fault for wording this sentence poorly. Although I am still leaning towards Matt being an assassin, he certainly looks all kinds of scummy as well. There isn't enough information at this point to lynch someone else - this lynch will, at worst, be neutral. I feel that, unless someone who has better evidence against them comes up (unlikely) we are better off to make this lynch and gain the information (Matt's flip) than sit idle. I am just asserting that I personally think he is an assassin. I'm done on the whole Matt issue now; still working on making my posts more constructive and less parrot-y. If Matt flips scum, Ottox and Toad really need to be looked at. Ottox has been making his bizarre crusade about the potential innocence of Matt, as everyone knows. To me, Toad's last few posts have seemed a little aimless and very personally aggressive with little content. He spends a considerable amount of time shutting down and pointing at Ottox (who is looking obviously scummy or very misguided) in a well written post, then shifts to personal attacks and negligent remarks. Sleep time for me now; I'll actually have some rest by tomorrow and won't be travelling. This was my perspective as well when I played the Portal Mafia, which is making me wonder if a lot of this is kind of 'new town' sort of stuff? My perspective was "Kill everyone that is not town" I didn't care if you were 3rd party, 4th party or mafia.... if you weren't green... you needed to die. So his thought that- "Well, he's 3rd party, so we're good to lynch him" makes a lot of sense to me. He connects Ottox and Toad loosely... but I think he digs in a bit with his reads considering his post history. Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 10:16 Gravan wrote:I think Bill Murray is scum. Also, Hapahauli, what is your read on Gravan? Scum or town? I don't want you using the word Null. Pick one. Scum or town? Consider yourself having a Gun to your head. This is the first time he mentions me. At this point, he hasn't put forward any kind of read on me at all. In addition, many of his posts up until this point (not to mention quite a few afterward) are pointless one-liners, or just generally non-contributing. The next thing he does is tell austin to read my filter as if I was scum (again, not argument put forward on his part - he is talking as if me being scum is a forgone conclusion). + Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 07:18 austinmcc wrote:
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Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.
It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this.
Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
Matt got caught
Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this.
Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot Then he goes on to say that hap is on his scumlist for "coaching" me. + Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 07:23 Hapahauli wrote:
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Null. Deal with it.
His posts/logic right now could come from either mafia or bad-townie. I don't have enough information to make a decision since hasn't posted much. Fortunately we have 48 hours to make a read on him.
yeah youre on my scum list
so is gravan
you openly coached him Afterwards, he includes doyouhas in this list. + Show Spoiler +filter
On September 06 2012 07:27 imallinson wrote:
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I'd say Gravan looks real scummy right now. He attempted the same thing as Ottox, defending Matt by saying he was probably an assassin, but much more quietly and backed away as soon as he realised it was a bad idea. If anything that looks more scummy than Ottox at the moment.
THANK YOU.
Go read Gravan's filter, and tell me if you don't find hapa coaching him?
2nd person I've caught him coaching that looks like scum with him (Doyouhas is the other) His next two posts that mention me go on to mention (offhandedly) the apparently obvious need to have me shot by a vig. Further, if you read his filter he is very non-comittal on the otto-defending-matt-and-generally-acting-scummy issue. His posts are passively worded and just softly agree with the flow of the thread at the time. I ALMOST like this post. He target BM which is cool. Very straight forward, non-apologetic. The only problem is, its only because he's being called out and feels threatened. So again with the fear response. Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 10:39 Gravan wrote:On September 06 2012 10:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 10:26 Gravan wrote:On September 06 2012 10:18 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 06 2012 10:16 Gravan wrote:I think Bill Murray is scum. Also, Hapahauli, what is your read on Gravan? Scum or town? I don't want you using the word Null. Pick one. Scum or town? Consider yourself having a Gun to your head. This is the first time he mentions me. At this point, he hasn't put forward any kind of read on me at all. In addition, many of his posts up until this point (not to mention quite a few afterward) are pointless one-liners, or just generally non-contributing. The next thing he does is tell austin to read my filter as if I was scum (again, not argument put forward on his part - he is talking as if me being scum is a forgone conclusion). + Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 07:18 austinmcc wrote:
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Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.
It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this.
Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
Matt got caught
Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this.
Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot Then he goes on to say that hap is on his scumlist for "coaching" me. + Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 07:23 Hapahauli wrote:
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Null. Deal with it.
His posts/logic right now could come from either mafia or bad-townie. I don't have enough information to make a decision since hasn't posted much. Fortunately we have 48 hours to make a read on him.
yeah youre on my scum list
so is gravan
you openly coached him Afterwards, he includes doyouhas in this list. + Show Spoiler +filter
On September 06 2012 07:27 imallinson wrote:
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I'd say Gravan looks real scummy right now. He attempted the same thing as Ottox, defending Matt by saying he was probably an assassin, but much more quietly and backed away as soon as he realised it was a bad idea. If anything that looks more scummy than Ottox at the moment.
THANK YOU.
Go read Gravan's filter, and tell me if you don't find hapa coaching him?
2nd person I've caught him coaching that looks like scum with him (Doyouhas is the other) His next two posts that mention me go on to mention (offhandedly) the apparently obvious need to have me shot by a vig. Further, if you read his filter he is very non-comittal on the otto-defending-matt-and-generally-acting-scummy issue. His posts are passively worded and just softly agree with the flow of the thread at the time. This is the worst case I've ever seen. Typically, when one argues against another, a counter-argument has to be presented. Since it appears as though I am on some people's chopping blocks, some discussion could be useful. Just denouncing my case gets town no-where. You chose a poor person to analyze. Bm is like chezinu and incredibly hard to pin down normally. You typically have to rely on things like scumslips to catch either of them or take look at the overall effort they put into a game. Now given that. You're analysis is very lacking, and looks like cherry picking. You don't include examples or even a link to his filter to prove your case. It seems rushed and made by someone backed into a corner. If you are town you should have no reason to feel rushed, you have plenty of time to post your thoughts. First off, while I understand a player's meta is something to consider, I really have no idea what you are talking about with respect to how Bill plays or whoever this chezinu is. I included at least three examples. See those quotes/spoilers? All of them include quotes from Bill Murray. As to being rushed, well, I am just trying to not lurk. Apparently that is a bad thing to do - working on putting my thoughts out there and trying to stimulate discussion. I like this post actually. It speaks to me well. I also am not up to speed on the "meta" of other players... This indicates to me that he really IS a new player.. trying to find his way and get the swing of things. He wants to put his thoughts out and get something going, but seems unclear as to how to do it. Okay, as I'm going through the filters from this point to the end of his page 1- he all of a sudden starts to pick up a LOT more momentum. He is being more assertive with his claims and is getting more involved. Here are some posts. Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:02 Gravan wrote:On September 09 2012 00:50 BroodKingEXE wrote:On September 09 2012 00:26 austinmcc wrote:On September 09 2012 00:21 Shady Sands wrote:
Thanks.
Ergo, we have no way to verify BKE's claim... Right. Either he's a watcher OR he chose a fakeclaim so bad it could be disproven pretty much by flips alone. And it wasn't a pressure claim, he was getting called out all yesterday, then claimed while nobody was doing anything. I'm currently believing the claim since it seems like a giant risk to take when you're already down 2. Heck, why go with a terrible fake claim when you could name anything?
BM, where you at? We discussed scum having/not having some sort of leader earlier. I'd like to hear your updated thoughts. Ottoxlol flipped town, so it's not a case where mattchew/ottox/gravan all messed up and looked scummy D1. 2 vets died, so they're not options as some sort of mafia general, commanding the troops. Now we've got this BKE claim. Do you believe that claim? Are there players you could see saying, "hey you, go make a terrible fakeclaim that's so bad people will have trouble thinking it's from scum"? I don't see BKE, if scum, going that route, because you don't really gain anything compared to a better fake claim. I have to be honest, Im just laying it out. In XIII Newbie, I was One-Shot and didn't claim and everyone said I should've. I don't want to make the same mistake. I know me getting GK back is useless, but I need town to know what you guys will be lynching. Medic should not claim definetly(if we have one and they acted), else we both die. I picked BC primarily for the reason that Matt was his first pick and he was using the lynch to look around for other scum. He was speaking with really solid logic and had a few scum reads already. DrH was under a bit of fire, so I wasn't sure if scum was going to let that sit and develop. I didn't think Toad was active enough to be killed that night, but he had by then moved to my town list due to his response to my case. Just to make it clear I think Shady and Mav are scum I would actually like to hear what you suspect happened on N1 - who did what, from your point of view. What was the scenario? Also, unless I am missing it, did you actually make any kind of case against Shady? Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:50 Gravan wrote:
I still have reservations about this switch. According to what I can gather from this thread, Grush always acts like an idiot. This gets him mislynched often. We're lynching him, instead of BKE (who, until his meager roleclaim and sudden throwing out of cases) was under intense suspicion and getting wagon'd.
So far as I can tell, the logic goes roughly as follows:
BKE is very suspicious, but his blue claim isn't out of the question.
Lynching a blue would be very detrimental to the town.
Grush is suspicious (alternatively idiotic and anti-town, depending on who is talking) and non-contributive besides.
Lynching Grush is, at worse, a mislynch (we won't miss his discussions as a townie) and at best a mafia lynch.
This is all just a little sudden for me. What happened to those strong suspicions regarding BKE's earlier flip-flopping? Can one of you vote-switchers explain to me how that behaviour is now negated/lessened because of his role-claim? Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 03:52 Gravan wrote:There is a lot of "in this game x player played like this" or, "y is a veteran, therefore the following is probable...". While I think these are fine as supporting arguments (since past tendencies/experience are relevant things to consider) I feel like all this talk of veterans and meta play is clouding and overtaking what people have actually said and how people have actually been playing. It could be a mafia tactic to draw away from the discussion, or it could just be a little too much focus on outside/less relevant factors, but either way I encourage everyone to focus more on filters from this game and less on filters from other games. Also: On September 10 2012 02:56 strongandbig wrote:##vote: toad for mayorNo but actually, you bring up a very good point. I played in WoF and Forumite this game does remind me of his play from that game. That said, I think austin's case on z-boson is pretty good as well - he's hedging a lot, and his reasoning around the BKE vote really doesn't make much sense. So toad and austin, since both of you are pretty decent players and regardless of your own alignments are gonna be pretty good at mafia logic, what do you make of each others' cases? One last thing - I don't have all that much time so I was looking through some shorter filters. What do people think of hopeless1der? His filter can be described as - kind of a scummy waffle around the mattchew lynch - tunneling forumite Now, on the one hand I think forumite is a decent scum candidate; but seriously I don't think hopeless has talked about anything else for more than one or two lines. This is a contradiction for me from past games, where hopeless's filter has looked well-thought-out and where it's easy to get a town read on him. Also I feel like there might be a contradiction here: On September 05 2012 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 05 2012 06:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 05 2012 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite Only real issue I have with this is that he didn't misread the setup to my knowledge. The setup was completely ambiguous on the Nosy Neighbor and required a mod to come in and clarify the situation. Aside from that I do get how you made the connections you did although he doesn't neccesarily have a scum role as my understanding of the setup would be mafia choose who makes a night KP given that no mafia can be responsible for more than 1 shot according to that mafia KP change. Thus any "non visiting mafia" would be "cleared" from suspicion. A mafia with a role can both use his action and take a shot. As an example, the mafia Vig can 'visit' and shoot two different players in the same night. I don't follow how the Scum KP mechanics make it unlikely that Forumite (or any potential scum) would NOT have a role, or for example, how a goon who stays home is cleared. On September 08 2012 16:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
Unless someone claims a vig shot on GK, you're supposed to be dead right now. That was worse than Mattchew's claim. insta-reaction was to throw water on bke's claim, even though he already knew a scum with a role could also deliver a factional kp. Now, I also didn't believe bke's claim, but it's not just that he didn't believe it - he discounted it with a reason that he already knew wasn't airtight. Not sure how bad of a contradiction that is but I think it is a contradiction. I do get the feeling (as I implied/made light of earlier) that Hopeless' claim was a little too absolute. I would like to hear a little more of Hopeless so that I can get a bit more of a read on him - especially since his favourite target (forumite) is in the spotlight/sights right now. Ok, this next post I think is REALLY important. Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 05:48 Gravan wrote:On September 12 2012 05:39 Forumite wrote:On September 12 2012 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:If you're going to respond, could you not cherry pick?
Forumite, Why should we lynch Z-Boson?
Why do you want me to die?
Make an effort to explain yourself.
I don´t know, stuff you´ve done. I´m not as sure on you as on Z-boson and BM though, and sometimes I get the feeling you are more likely town. I have 80 minutes left in the game, why do you want me to spend it on making a case on you? On September 12 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:On September 12 2012 04:35 Z-BosoN wrote:Also, eagerly awaiting your case on mav: On September 11 2012 22:12 Mementoss wrote:
I am at work and don't have much time. Catching up is hard, from my reading so far I think Maverick is scum and will vote him I read the most recent case on forumite but I just don't see it. Hopefully I can finish filling in the gaps of reading tonight and actually post a worthy post of why maverick is scum. I'm hoping I can make deadline today busy day. When I posted this I was at page 40. I'm at page 59 now. So I still have half the game to catch up on. At this point it won't change whose going to get lynched, but I still have to find out who is scum so I can be helpful day4 Mementoss is SCUM SCUM SCUM! Noone cares about Mav, so stop wasting your vote and actually put it on someone that might get lynched tonight. There are only 3 candidates: Forumite
Z-Boson
Bill MurrayPut it on one of them, or I´ll scream at vigis to kill you tonight! On September 12 2012 04:54 Gravan wrote:
At this point, my viewpoint is as follows (on the big topics):
Bill Murray is still suspicious, but, really, who the fuck knows?
Z-Boson is highly suspicious.
Forumite is highly suspicious, and very shifty. For somebody who is posting somewhat regularily, he hasn't done too much to defend himself other than point as many fingers as he can as quickly as he can - something that seems really scummy.
I wish we had another day to talk about this, heh.
##Vote Forumite. On September 12 2012 04:56 Gravan wrote:
To be a bit more clear:
Bill Murray's posting is very difficult to read, and he claims to have had more knowledge than he really ought to have had. That said, he has apparently been playing mafia for a while so he could also have just made a good read.
Z-Boson is far too defensive for my liking - it seems like he thinks that every post that isn't in agreement with him, or that pulls the discussion away from his posts, is targeted at him. FML You explain how all three candidates are scummy, and then vote the one with the biggest wagon. You are SCUM! too. This kind of posts only strengthens the need to vote for you, in my mind. Down to the wire, all you are doing is pointing as many fingers as you can, as aggressively as you can (in big red letters, hehe), with the bare minimum amount of evidence or effort. It seems desperate instead of simply defensive. Why not try to clear your name and answer the accusations about yourself as best you can in an attempt to lift votes off you (no matter how futile, at this late hour)? Hopeless (the first person in the game to point a serious finger at you) has even given you this opportunity on a silver platter. Yet, all you continue to do is dodge and slip around, shouting at other people and being selective in your question answering and case-making. This is something that I think he was TRYING to do early game. However, he kind of violates his own rule when he decided to turn on BM in an attempt to 'clear his name'. In fact- his quoted posts above clearly indicate that he felt he needed a counter argument... which was to point fingers to clear his name????? Other than that, he has started to contribute a lot more which I can relate to. I hate posting early in the game. It sucks. Its confusing. There are too many people talking. You have people like BM saying things like "This person is scum" and everyone just listens to them for seemingly NO reason... Now though- he is posting significantly differently than he was at the start.... Why would a scum INCREASE his posting.. when there are plenty of lurkers for him to hide amongst? He is putting himself out there in more assertive ways... This speaks more to Gravan's personality as a person.. probably awkward in groups- has to get to know people more before opening up...probably only has a few close friends.. etc etc... (Also yes, I am a therapist ha) tldr: Gravan appears to be a new player(town)- or a mafia pretending to be new.. and doing an absolutely awesome job at it. I'll add to SS too in my next post, but I got an additional town read on him too. Not 100% related to my vote so putting it in next post. - I also did, at least at first glance, Mavs case on ShiaoPi looked good, gonna read through it, but as Shiao is so far to catching up on votes im not gonna vote him anyway. - BM is still on my list of people to consider, but no votes on him = my vote goes to Gravan quite clearly.
How was Mav's defense good? He basically said why are people bringing up my scummy post from day 1. If you say something SO scummy on day 1, it doesn't magically get unscummy by day 4. He's trying to discredit things he did in the past as non relevant. Also, the way that slo0sh immediately mentioned how Mav's statement on Grav made Mav look town is really discomforting. It looks like slo0sh told him to write that about Grav looking townie, and then for him to tell the rest of the town that it makes Mav look town. Hm. I still like the Maverick lynch personally.
I don't think the BM stuff on shady really shows anything.
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On September 15 2012 02:28 Toadesstern wrote:
30 more minutes until I've got to leave. Shady Sands or Gravan?
Mav??
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On September 15 2012 02:25 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote:
These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan
Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above. How do you have a townread on SnB let alone a STRONG townread, wtf, this guy hasn't done shit all game.
Unbury
The only person I would be willing to vote other than Mav today would be SnB. Everything slo0sh said is exactly how I felt reading everything SnB said this game.
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On September 11 2012 04:07 Rewok wrote:
I've been wrong every time I voted on my own instinct and right the time I followed Toade so my vote is for Forumite.
##vote: Forumite
On September 15 2012 04:12 Rewok wrote:
We're really bad at this game this time.
Vote: Gravan
You mean your really bad at this game? God damn man
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On September 15 2012 05:12 Kreb wrote:
Mementoss/Gravan? Not considering switching?
No its too late, and Im pretty sure im voting a scum out
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On September 15 2012 05:24 Gravan wrote:
I am leaving my vote on Shady because I am not necessarily convinced of the other voting prospects. I don't want another mislynch.
If BM or Rewok came up, I would consider it - but don't think switching to Mav is necessarily any better. If he is town (I am leaning that way) then lynching him is no better than lynching myself, really.
zzzzzzzzzzzzz you know your own alignment
so voting anyone out other than yourself if your town
has better chance of killing mafia if it comes to it
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On September 15 2012 05:44 Gravan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 05:41 Mementoss wrote:On September 15 2012 05:24 Gravan wrote:
I am leaving my vote on Shady because I am not necessarily convinced of the other voting prospects. I don't want another mislynch.
If BM or Rewok came up, I would consider it - but don't think switching to Mav is necessarily any better. If he is town (I am leaning that way) then lynching him is no better than lynching myself, really. zzzzzzzzzzzzz you know your own alignment so voting anyone out other than yourself if your town has better chance of killing mafia if it comes to it I guess you could say that I am all in on Shady, then.
His team mates would kill him for not switching to the second most voted person, gravan is town
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Well maverick isnt getting lynched so Im going SnB. Too bad everyone voting gravan is convienently afk
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On September 15 2012 06:46 Mementoss wrote:
Gravan vote SnB
Unless you are scum then just die plz
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On September 15 2012 06:47 slOosh wrote:
Gravan you should reconsider your vote - we aren't lynching Shady today.
Also I was wondering, when you intially switched off of Gravan, you being the one who made the case, why did you switch, what changed your mind?
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On September 15 2012 06:50 Kreb wrote:
I dont exactly feel like voting Gravan, but I feel even less for Mav, so Im gonna have to go back to Gravan VERY soon if ppl dont switch to S&B.
what the fuck.
why.
Why do you have to be on the lynch of the person that ends up dieing.
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one more vote, and gravan is still voting shady sands .... If he flips town worst play in history
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I searched "Strongandbig scum" on google and this is what came up
![[image loading]](http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/images/fullcast.scum.png)
The weather looks cloudy with a chance of scum
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On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote:In light of the S&B flip, I think Toad is scum, because Toad has continually tried to paint S&B as an assassin. Based on this assassin read, Toad has used this as an excuse for himself to not pressure S&B or even mention him in the thread. + Show Spoiler [evidence] +On September 11 2012 01:21 Toadesstern wrote:
Let's be honest here:
I think if we lynch into one of either Forumite, S&B, BM or Z-Boson we're going to hit "not-townie" all the way.
That's the reason I didn't want to talk about S&B because I suspected him to be an Assassin (you're welcome \o/ ).
If BM is Mafia Foru's got to be an Assassin (again, you're welcome \o/ ) and isn't actually mafia himself.
Foru basicly claimed he's playing cautious on purpose so that fits the Assassin as well.
Z-Boson and BM have some weird connection this day.
I really don't like how Boson gets in here telling people BM is confirmed because of the blue thing, on top of that he instantly finds another breadcrumb BM apparently did and the knowledge BM had about austin is supposed to make him somehow town when there's no way mafia would have shot a vig n1, even if they knew about one.
So if you take them all apart I'd be all up for lynching Forumite today.
If we're considering them as a whole I'd rather lynch Z-Boson. I mentioned S&B as well but as I said, he's probably Assassin so noone should care about him right now unless we see another 3rd party flip and he's still kicking. On September 13 2012 19:57 Toadesstern wrote:
I said either BM or Foru are mafia later on. Something like d2, n2 or d3 I guess? So that one would be the more updated read on BM but not sure if that still holds.
It was based on the "there has to be a mafia vet" assumption and forumite flipping green (=neither red nor black) pretty much destroyed that, or at least it now has an interesting twist to it:
As far as I know we don't actually know whether we've got Assassins in this game or not. If we have some it's highly likely that BM and S&B are those Assassins because hosts don't usually give 3rd party roles to new guys because they're hard to play. If that's the case we obviously don't have a mafia within those 2.
If we don't have Assassins to begin with we probably still have a mafia within those 2.
Not sure I want to take that gamble today. Then shortly before he leaves, he tries to narrow town's options to anyone but S&B. That's more than three times over the past 2 votecycles. During (and before) those 2 votecycles, Toad was pushing BKE, Z-Boson, and Forumite, all of whom flipped town or blue. Furthermore, look at who has questioned Toad over the game: BKE Hapa Z-Boson Notice a pattern? They're all dead. TLDR: Toad has soft-defended S&B for awhile, pushed three straight townies for lynches, and anyone who made substantive cases on him has been NK'd.
Now onto my post about S&B. I made that in the heat of the moment in my effort to get Gravan lynched. In retrospect, it looks scummy and stupid. That being said, I misread what S&B wrote about Gravan--I thought he was agreeing that Gravan was scum, when it is apparent now that S&B was actually soft-defending him. Since I thought at the time that Gravan was scum, anyone who came out before a lynch was inevitable on Gravan and made noises about lynching him earned town points in my book. Now that S&B has flipped scum, I retract that and I think Gravan is just a bad town who other scum tried to latch upon. Grav's behavior, in particular, over the past few hours has been very townie and returns my read on him to null. I have a few other players who look scummy to me: Rewok ShiaoPi Mementoss DarthPunk I'm going to be looking through their filters and will get something out before the daypost. Final note: in case this isn't obvious already, S&B lynch should serve as strong town-tells for Sloosh and Hopeless1der.
I'd like you to explain why I look scummy, instead of just taking random names out of a hat. thanks
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On September 15 2012 02:25 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote:
These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan
Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above. How do you have a townread on SnB let alone a STRONG townread, wtf, this guy hasn't done shit all game.
On September 15 2012 03:06 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 02:25 Mementoss wrote:On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote:
These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan
Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above. How do you have a townread on SnB let alone a STRONG townread, wtf, this guy hasn't done shit all game. Unbury The only person I would be willing to vote other than Mav today would be SnB. Everything slo0sh said is exactly how I felt reading everything SnB said this game.
The fact that shady sands not only had a town read without reason on SnB but a STRONG town read on SnB and completely ignored my question of why or what evidence made him believe this, is super scummy. It's like he just said it to sway peoples mind and to say it, without having any reasoning whatsoever. Why would town need to try to force the lynch for the next day continuontly and say they have a strong town read without evidence on someone who had barely any votes at all at the time.
On September 14 2012 05:53 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:26 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 04:58 grush57 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 Mementoss wrote:On September 14 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote:
Nice find there sloosh.
##Vote: Maverick32x
Also you guys don't get how BM plays. Why you voting Mav, its already been acknowledged that the problem of this game are posts exactly like this one. What do you think about slooshs find; Does it means SnB is scum or what If you could explain how BM plays that would be nice. The sloosh post I'm talking about is about Maverick. BM does one liners regardless and makes jokes in half his posts, just how he plays you guys aren't going to get anywhere calling that scummy You still didn't answer the question. How does that make Mav scum? Also, look at Grav, and tell me you don't see a scum. Today is for Grav. Tomorrow is for MMToss or maybe Mav, once I finish reading his filter. I am not switching my vote to anyone but Grav, and I hope everyone here understands that and can show this scumbastard the noose. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ lets decide the lynch for tomorrow, cause thats helpful and creates discussion >_>
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Also, hopeless im sure looked null or leaning scum to most, but the fact that he came in to switch onto SnB last minute makes me think he is town. I really hope he will put more effort into the next cycle as he is a decent player when he puts in effort.
Of course there is the chance he expected someone else to switch onto SnB last minute and he wanted to look good, but I doubt this, cause he coulda sheeped onto Gravan instead.
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toads claim means nothing to me, judge him pre claim. Tracker claim so easy to call with assasians and suicide bombers in the setup. Will evaluate more tomorrow.
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If toad was a tracker and though SnB was assasian he woulda tracked SnB end of story.
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Toad you were clearly around for alot of the last lynch, you played the role of town leader for the first 3 days, why did you decide to be useless for the latest lynch and throw out a bunch of "I don't giva fuck who dies" type posts. You yourself even said there were too many people sheeping and lurking, and you do it yourself that whole day. Content to kill anyone that becomes popular to kill.
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What the fuck toad?
"BM is still alive, no one is bitching about him, are you?"
You know mafia would never kill BM, are you purposely trying to say stupid things?
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On September 15 2012 23:15 Mementoss wrote:
If toad was a tracker and though SnB was assasian he woulda tracked SnB end of story.
EBWOP I am dumb.
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What Happened Night 1?
Lets try and break this shit down shall we?
The Facts:
Kills:
Ottoxlol was killed
BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP
BM24 was killed
GK was killed
Actions:
BKEXE watched BC and got back GK.
What Toad Claims Happened:
Actions:
Toad tracks BM24 and returns Imallinson because he was Nosy Neighbour.
There must be a 2nd vig, either mafia or town for Toads scenario to be possible.
How he thinks the kills went down:
BC was killed by GK submitting Mafia KP
BM24 was killed by Mafia KP
GK was 100% killed by town vig
Ottox killed by either town or mafia vig
What I think about Toads scenario:
Ottox was definitly NOT killed by mafia vig, that would be retarded. Also, if mafia had a multi-shot vig you think there would have been an extra night kill night 2 or night 3, unless they ran into jailkeeper or assassian.
So your scenario basically says there are 2 multi-shot town vigs in the game. But again, this makes no sense to me. 1) Would it be balanced for town to have 4 shots in a 26 person game, when mafia doesn't have a vig? 2) Does it make sense that town had another 2 shots other than Austinmc but players like grush, BM, ShiaoPi and Rewok are still alive? Doubtful. Unless a shot was ran into an assassian. But by now you would think the multi-shot was out of bullets and claimed there shots to shed light to the town. Which hasn't happened.
So basically, I think your scenarios don't make much sense, and therefore your claim is fake and therefore you are scum. It's so easy to make up all these scenarios with roles such as the assassian and multi-shot vig possibilities.
What I think happened:
How the kills went down:
BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP
BM24 was killed by mafia KP
GK was killed by Austinmc but wasn't claimed because he had another shot left
GK suicided into Ottox
Why does this scenario make sense?
Scum expected someone to vig on ottoxlol or at least watch/track him, he was the most popular topic coming into night 1, and almost everyone wanted him dead or at least figure out what the fuck he was about. Also, this post by austinmc sums up this point well, Toad talking about stacking on Ottox would make sense for a suicide onto him.
On September 10 2012 06:53 austinmcc wrote:May as well post a little about Toad. *snip* The way he was asking blues to congregate on himself/BC last night worried me, in a game where scum went for a suicide bomber on outspoken townies (DrH was as outspoken and towny on my list as BC was). He wants medics on him and BC. If you're a watcher, you might want to watch those people to see who visited and either find shooters or blues if the guy doesn't die. So a request like that MIGHT = a bunch of blues stacked up. However, DrH got suicided and not BC, so the more I reread the less paranoid I am. He also wanted all vigis stacked on ottox. Show nested quote +If Ottox somehow manages to survive the night you've got to lynch him no matter what. It's actually quite possible that we've got vigs thinking "well we probably got a bunch of vigs who want to shoot him so I don't need to as well. No need to quadrupel-stack him". I've been in that situation as well and ended up shooting my #2 reads instead of my #1 reads (AC comes to mind ) because I thought someone else would take care of the #1 read anyways because the guy was pretty much confirmed mafia. Same as with stacking on himself/BC, you get a nice juicy suicide bomber target. Moreover, you could ensure that extra bullets were wasted on Ottox, who you knew to be town. Again, perfectly townie thing to say - we need to have this guy gone before D2, please don't everyone think someone else will take care of this, because that's happened before. But just nagged at the back of my mind. *snip*
I've got another possible situation in mind, but it is not as likely and will talk about it closer to deadline.
I will now investigate toad more to my style, and shady sands as well.
I don't overly care for Toad defending himself any longer, as he's good enough to make a defense as mafia that looks legit enough to not get lynched. I would like to hear his scum reads and cases moreso hes already defended himself.
As homework, read into austinmc's filter to try to get some insight for what he was saying and it might clear up the night 1 nonsense.
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Also grush is WAY too quiet to be town
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On September 16 2012 03:19 Shady Sands wrote:
Actually, N1, if GK suicided into Ottox, then couldn't it also be the case that:
BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP
BM24 was killed by mafia KP
GK suicided into Ottox
Austinmc shot someone with medic protection or with bulletproof, or he himself was roleblocked?
Yeah I just realized that.
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The other situation is that Ottoxlol was shot by austinmc and GK suicided into an assassian
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On September 16 2012 04:54 Shady Sands wrote:
Anyhow, in sum: Toad's claim is basically null because there are so many ways in which it could be true, and many other situations in which it could be false.
What's important is the case on him revolving around his soft defense of SnB, as well as how he went pretty much awol/apathetic over the final few hours of the heated D4 lynch.
If his case is based on the soft defense of SnB than what does YOUR hard defense of SnB mean?
You still didnt answer WHY you had a strong town read on him???
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On September 16 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:
you realize that I told you guys 24hours in advance that I'm not going to be around the final hours of the lynch and won't make it for the deadline at least 3 times?
No you probably don't because you're still not reading the thread.
Unless of course you're saying I'm scummy because unlike the other days I didn't put myself into a leader position telling people what to do. Yeah because I wasn't sure what to do that day. But I guess that's a mafiatreat nowadays.
I still posted way more than you (for example).
The case revolving around the soft defense of SnB is either 100% accurate (if you don't believe my claim) or it is 100% wrong (if you believe my claim) because if it's the latter one it's perfectly explained. There's pretty much nothing inbetween. If the S&B "thing" is all there is about me it comes down to wether or not you believe me.
But of course you're telling people we should ignore that part and just lynch me because I didn't want to lynch S&B although I explained it perfectly.
Just lynch this guy tomorrow pretty please.
Its not just about that that is the icing on the cake, will explain more latr
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Toadesstern
I am pretty sure Toad is scum for sure, he has been on the scummy side of everything so far in this game and his play just seems to emulate scum play.
Part I: Leading the Town/ Look at me Im town:
I understand in every town, there is gunna be a townie who is going to try to lead the town, or at least be the most active player in the game. That happens, that is good because it generates discussion. However, Toad realizes the amount of newer players and lurkers in this game, espeically after Night 1 and decides to capitalize. He doesn't just state his positions, and try to generate discussion, but he posts in a way such to say, follow me to the grave and what I say is right no matter what. Examples are these big posts below, that look very town, but actually do nothing to hunt scum, and seem like the right thing to follow if your new.
Additioanlly, multiple times in the game, Toad specifically states, or implies, that he is town or obviously town due to this this and this. This nonsense would trick your average noob, but everyone knows you should not have to state I am town, it should just be implied through pro town behaviour.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 07 2012 06:59 Toadesstern wrote:Toads very important thoughts mostly about VETs and whatever else
I consider important so far I'm doing this post because I'm probably going to die tonight. I consider myself a vet and most people probably consider me a vet as well but unlike BC I usually don't draw protection from medics for two reasons I don't need to go into detail right now, although the reasoning becomes apparant after reading the whole thing :p First important topic: VETs in this game - Forumite
- BlackMamba24 (referred to as DrH from now on to not confuse him with BM)
- BloodyC0bbler
- Bill Murray
- Toadesstern/myself :p
That's my take on who's a vet in this game. A lot of people think it's hard to analyse vets to a point that they almost got a mental blockade when it comes to vets, that's why I'm going to post some about those 4/5 although I don't have anything major yet, though I've got a conclusion I'm quite comfortable with. First things first, I did this post ( + Show Spoiler [click me!] +On September 06 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Bam. Watcher on people like BC and me please.
Mafia will want to hit that. ) on purpose trying to get some reactions, mainly from vets. Simply put I was trying to rub a subtile "sup guys I'm comfirmed town now" into peoples faces to see what they're going to say. Why did I do that? I am an incredible controversial guy and a shitton of people are scared like crazy about me because I'm apparently unreadable according to them. I'm a little like BC-junior, or maybe WBG-junior in that regard because people tell me I'm looking pro-town no matter of alignment every single game. So usually I'm getting the same old crap about me every game "Toad is looking townish, but that's a null-tell because Toad always looks that way". Take AC for example, Radfield actually told his scumbuddies to just attack me for looking good because I'm always looking good. WBG called the play VE and I did in LI "the best bus TL has ever seen", he said I'm unreadable in PTP, I totally destroyed town in magic and surely everyone remembers the "Annul game" (sup palmer :p). Except for PyourPoison I destroyed pretty much every town I played against as mafia and every single game I was called a townie by the vast majority of the game while telling people what to do. That's the reason I'm getting these bullshit arguments like "Toad is unreadable" / "Toad is looking town but that means nothing" all the time. No matter if I'm town or mafia and frankly I was expecting to hear something like that from a mafia-player because it's an incredible easy approach to attack someone because you can just say that EVERY single game. Sadly it never happened. However I still ended up getting some reactions although they're minor ones. tl;dr / Summary so far:- I am town
- BC is pretty much town
- I highly lean on BM being town giving his style. He attacked me during this night for something he thought to be something. It obviously was nothing but his argument was not the typical "toad is unreadable, BE AFRAID GUYS" fear mongering I get all the time and I doubt a mafia would get in there attacking me the way he did.
That leaves us with Foru and DrH. DrH still feels odd although I can't put my finger on it. Foru feels way to cautios when he's posting. I'm almost certain one of those 2 got to be mafia and considering that my guts are telling me that foru feels cautios I'd rather bet on him being mafia by some degree. The thing about this is that it's not a clear case. What I've got about those 3 (BM / foru / drH) so far is very minor and not worth making a case about so I'm not going to. However process of elimination is a nice approach for those kind of people and that being said I really doubt BM or BC are mafia. People who are not vets but should be a topicOttox: No need to talk about him I guess DoYouHas: He's looking bad when posting but I actually like his answers strongandbig: That guy should be scared as shit about me but he isn't. Not at all. To be precise he's even pretty buddy-ish with me. I think he knows I'm not mafia. Do not like. BroodKingEXE: Weirdest vote from d1. Other than that he's fine but the vote really looks like "let's scatter at least SOMEWHAT, just pretend you forgot to unvote BKE" If Ottox somehow manages to survive the night you've got to lynch him no matter what. It's actually quite possible that we've got vigs thinking "well we probably got a bunch of vigs who want to shoot him so I don't need to as well. No need to quadrupel-stack him". I've been in that situation as well and ended up shooting my #2 reads instead of my #1 reads (AC comes to mind  ) because I thought someone else would take care of the #1 read anyways because the guy was pretty much confirmed mafia. Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives. BKE & S+B are mentioned because I want people to check their filter as well. I'm not set on lynching them yet but they're the best candidates I've got besides the "usual" ones. I'd rather not have people just forget about them. That being said I think it's quite likely I'm going to be dead in a couple of minutes so I'm posting this to give a couple of thoughts in case I'm not around any more. They're obviously all pretty vague because it's d1/n1 after all and thereforet it's just a summary. That means you've got to check filters yourself to understand what I'm talking about and wether or not you agree with me. Regretted not doing that in WoF when I was shot n1 as well ...
Right now we're having quite a luxury problem though: We're having to many people doing cases about everyone and their dog. That's totally fine in itself but you guys need to make sure you got some focus tomorrow. Talking about a lot of people is fine but if everyone's like a little gonzaw we'll have 25 people screaming "NO MY CASE IS THE BEST" and mafia has an easy time to pick a fitting case out of the 15915815 existing ones and will push that one. So don't spam the thread too much. This post I just did is already a wall-of-text although I'm only scratching the surface of things when talking about stuff. So keep that in mind tomorrow.
On September 06 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Bam. Watcher on people like BC and me please.
Mafia will want to hit that.
To noobs this seems fine, Toad is posting a lot and is likely to die we should use our blue powers on him. To anyone else it looks pretty scummy, directing blues, as well as trying to get them on yourself. Note how he says watcher, as scum there is NO way this can make him look bad, it can only make others look bad, after they claim the watch and Toad says something along the lines of SHEIT he was on me, must be scum. Also, scum is safe to ask for trackers on them as well, cause Toad knew he wouldn't be delivering KP that night, therefore wasting the track for the night.
People realize this, so he goes on to defend this post, with his Secret Plan to out scum vets. This is just him covering his own ass, drawing attention to yourself by looking scummy, isn't going to help you find scum. This whole post did nothing to find scum, it was basically a HUGE post saying I am town.
"If Ottox somehow manages to survive the night you've got to lynch him no matter what. It's actually quite possible that we've got vigs thinking "well we probably got a bunch of vigs who want to shoot him so I don't need to as well. No need to quadrupel-stack him". I've been in that situation as well and ended up shooting my #2 reads instead of my #1 reads (AC comes to mind ) because I thought someone else would take care of the #1 read anyways because the guy was pretty much confirmed mafia.
Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives."
I talked about this earlier, and austinmc pointed it out but it was basically pressuring blues onto ottoxlol for the suicide bomber mass town kill.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:btw random observation that might be worth sharing as I'm not sure what to make of it yet but it's interessting: Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 13:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:On September 05 2012 13:00 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 05 2012 12:59 BroodKingEXE wrote:That was guy number 2 I missed him on my reread of the filters. The end of his post is scummy imo sounds like he is trying to avoid modkill as opposed to helping the town. Interested in why he thinks Matt is assasin and still votes for him. Yep, that's the main problem I would have with him. Also, from your filter, you were pretty focused on Toad. Do you still find him suspicious?? No, his response was belivable based on posts he made after his sloosh interaction. Ottox has replaced him due to the fact that he is pushing a "Matt is an assasin/townie scheme" instead of pushing his scum read toad. Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
Updated
Vote Count:
Mattchew (21): The great unwashed
Toadesstern (2): BroodkingEXE, Ottoxlol
Yet to vote: Lvdr, Mattchew, Shady Sands Important part of the quote in red. Nothing else changed. That's it for today for me
Putting the thoughts into peoples minds about the next days mislynch early.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 10 2012 02:36 Toadesstern wrote:I've got a little task for people, read this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330925Also make sure to read the obs-QT and especially Syllos opinion on forumite ( click me!) I know I don't usually ask people to read older games because it's a pain in the ass but this one is important.When you're done reading I want you to think about forumite. There's 4 major things that come to my mind when thinking about forumite: - He is cautious when posting
- He is only posting when he has to
- He is isn't interested in what's going on or helping town at all
- He's doing apeshit right now
It's the very same thing we had in WoF. Town-Forumite is useful, good and will do STUFF. Can you think of one important post forumite has done this game? Just one that instantly pops into your mind? I can't without having his filter opened because there's really not much that sticks out. His most important post probably was this: + Show Spoiler [click me] +On September 09 2012 06:32 Forumite wrote:
Kreb (Miltonkram) (0)
Hapahauli
BroodKingEXE (16)
Hapahauli
slOosh
imallinson
Shady Sands
Hopeless1der
ShiaoPi
Rewok
DoYouHas
Maverick32x
grush57
Forumite
Gravan
Toadesstern
grush57
strongandbig
grush57
Toadesstern
Shady Sands
Z-BosoN
Kreb (Miltonkram)
DoYouHas (1)
Bill Murray
ShiaoPi (0)
Maverick32x
Maverick32x (0)
BroodKingEXE
Shady Sands (0)
grush57
grush57 (1)
DarthPunk
Toadesstern
Shady Sands
Z-BosoN (2)
grush57
austinmcc
BroodKingEXE
Not yet voted! (1)
Lvdr (mkfuba07) LOL I already quoted this but just as an example for this, you'll find multiple posts like the following in his filter: Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 10:18 Forumite wrote:
@Toades
After the D2-post you said you didn´t like the case on me provided by Hapless and Hapa, but you still thought I was probably scum. The only reason I remember was elimination, out of the people you stated are vets they are either dead or me, and those who died flipped town. Is that your case, "There should be scum among the vets, and now that some flipped town, the living ones are probably scum"? Because it´s a very convenient thing to say for scum, if people say there must be scum in a group, then scum kill half the group if it´s full of town, and leave it alone if there´s a scum in it so their buddy can hide better. I´m not saying that´s what happened, but it´s shaky to claim this early in a game that the last survivor of a group of must be scum event though the others flipped town.
Apart from that you said you thought I wasn´t as aggressive as usual. Partly that is because I don´t keep myself as updated as I usually do due to more stuff happening IRL than usual, but I also don´t want to make the mistake I did in DF-Mafia.
Anyway you need more reasons to you call me scum. What is it? You'll find stuff like that all over his filter. He's always making sure to have a possible retreat when posting and not committing in the slightest.
He only really posts when he has to:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:48 Forumite wrote:
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Toades, what do you want most, an answer to the case on me posted during the night, or my top scumreads. It´s late and I´m too tired to do both right now. Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 08:17 Forumite wrote:On September 07 2012 07:56 Toadesstern wrote:On September 07 2012 07:48 Forumite wrote:
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Toades, what do you want most, an answer to the case on me posted during the night, or my top scumreads. It´s late and I´m too tired to do both right now. I don't consider the case on you to be good and I don't agree with it. I want to lynch you because of method or elimination. So I'd rather see you talk about targets for today. I have two scumreads right now. I had Ottox down as scum, I was wrong but it shouldn´t affect the other reads. They are both based on the time around Matts claim. The first one is Maverick for his first post in the game, it was a reaction to Matts claim and the situation around it, and he was basically trying to divert attention to everyone else, without committing to anything. The second one is Hapa for his posts during the same time. The post below sums it up well. On September 04 2012 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 09:26 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah I know what the role does, so what about it? I'll ask a question if I don't understand something. there is no information given to the role, it is a VT that (randomly) visits people. If a tracker or watcher see me on their check it could lead to a stupid mislynch Ah thanks for clearing it up. I'm just a bit wary of D1 claims in general after having seen SnB's "self-aware miller" claim in DeathNote Mini Mafia, justified or not. On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim? ##vote hapahauli need an honest answer. What do you consider worse: a) People not thinking while posting / reading b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him. Howabout c) People who pick fights with people who are trying to start conversation (slOosh) for the sake of picking fights? When I read this post at first, I see Hapa buddying up with Matt and throwing suspicion on those attacking him. It didn´t feel right, Matt claiming didn´t arouse any suspicion in him. He said hi to Matt and then chided those attacking him. That´s the ones that jumped out at me when reading the thread. Yes, I should reread all the spam from yesterday, I´ll see about that tomorrow. tl;dr: Hapahauli
Maverick32x That's something we rarely see when looking through foru's filter: He's talking about his read after being pressured by me and giving some minor insight on what he thinks is happening. However, why is that only happening after I call him out as mafia? I tell people he's mafia, he instantly gets in the thread and posts something like that when all the time people weren't talking about him he did nothing like that. That my dear friends is scummy as shit
As mentioned I don't think he's interested in what's happening. I can't remember a significant post foru did because there was none. He isn't even trying to help. No "shut up guys, here's what's going on: XXXX, Therefore we lynch Y". No pushing his reads to make sure the best possible lynch ends up happening. He's just completly standing by, posting some minor things if he has to but nothing else. Town-Foru would be interested in what's going on. Town-Foru would be pushing his reads. Town-Foru would be actively trying to help town and not just stand by.
It's just the same thing as WoF. He was mafia in that game and did apeshit. For some reason he never ended up being lynched although Sandroba and I called him mafia straight from d1 and sadly nothing happened. Let me assure you, Foru would be doing SOMETHING to help if he was town. He isn't. Forumite is mafia Also vote me for mayor
Here is the forumite case, not only is it a brutal case based almost solely on meta. Its basically a case that says, trust me noobs I played with him enough to KNOW this is not town Forumite. Everyone sheeps onto forumite, and toad never posts or even cares how the lynch is coming along and how he killed day 3 discussion completely. It shoulda been obviously to a "vet" like himself that this lynch was going to flip green. Also, this mislynch was set up far in advance by Toad saying that there has to be a vet on the scum team and lets lynch down the line. Now its just him and BM on that list left, while the rest were town. Want to keep lynching down that list toad?
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2012 00:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 23:31 DarthPunk wrote:
OK I just read through Forumites filter a couple of times and I tried really hard but failed to find anything particularly scummy about him. I even began some cases on him but they sort of fell apart as soon as they began. I am not saying that Forumite is town. What I am saying is that the case on him could be a case on several people in this game and the one thing that differentiates Forumite from these others is the meta claims. He lead a case against Mav day 2. But he then drops it to sheep his scum read Hapa's case on BKE. I found it weird that he dropped scum reads on hapa and Mav and then failed to pursue them any further after day 2 but I don't view this as damning evidence. The accusations that BM have been throwing at Forumite since day one and the defense of them which take up a large part of his filter are also hardly damning.
Forumite has not been a particularly active scum hunter. Sheeped the Matt and BKE lynches defended himself when questioned. This could describe many of the players currently in the game.
The weirdest thing is how he dropped his reads on hapa and mav, never to return and sheeped his scum reads case so easily.
All in all I find Forumite mildly scummy but not any more so than the multitude of scummy players in this game.
I do not see anything particularly damning and I find it odd that so many people are voting for him over almost identical candidates.
The thing about Forumite is that he is as scummy or as not-so-scummy as everyone else, as you just mentioned but unlike everyone else he's not just like everyone else, he's Forumite. You usually don't find mafia-vets by scummyness or something they posted because they don't screw up that badly. Yeah sometimes something weird happens and this game & Matt are the perfect example that these kind of things happen every 10 games or so but in general nothing like that will happen. So what you want to look out for is stuff that is NOT happening. There is no other way to figure out vets. That method isn't working with other people because for it to work you need to know that the guy in question knows what he's doing which is almost never the case unless you're a vet or have been around long enough to be considered decent.
In this post, Toad tries to discredit DarthPunks good points, by saying you NEED meta to find vet scum. This is just plain untrue, vets make mistakes occasionally in terms of scum slips, and eventually you ALWAYS can find scum agenda after a couple of days of filter in someones filter if your playing good. He basically is saying trust me everyone I;m right. He says there is no other way to figure out vets. Toad has been brainwashing noobs into sheep all game.
On September 14 2012 01:49 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:25 strongandbig wrote:
Also toad, have you considered Sloosh as one of the assassins when you do your scummy-vet-balance stuff? It would explain why he only started playing for real when he got called out on not playing to his town meta.
Also also, I'd just like to point out how once again you're not including yourself when you do vet-balance stuff. This is like the fourth game I've been in with you where you've done that. nah sloOsh is not a vet. And I'm including myself. I'm town :3 You're saying but I don't see the problem. Unless of course you just wanted to point out that you don't like that in general and want me to change that attitude in future games no matter of alignment.
More IM TOWN, spamming.
On September 15 2012 10:06 Toadesstern wrote:Are you mispresenting things on purpose? - Forumite called me a townie but said that he's paranoid about town leaders so he said it could be possible I'm mafia. When lynching/pushing him I did not know about that change of mind ( I wouldn't even consider that a read because he just said he's paranoid while still thinking I'm town). So in reality if I'm mafia I pushed the guy who called me town all game long. That doesn't make sense and is the opposite of what you're trying to tell people.
- Z-Boson is the guy who called me a 97% Townie (or Assassin). Why should I shoot someone who tells people I'm 97% certain NOT MAFIA. Not only are you AGAIN telling the exact opposite of what happened but you're not even reading the game and I guess that's the reason why you're lying. Z-boson EXPLAINED he LIED and never considered me to be mafia. He LIED to see what would happen. He LIED to see if I how I'd answer. He LIED about me being mafia in the first place to see how I'd react and explained all that finishing in
On September 13 2012 07:00 Z-BosoN wrote:Important Conclusions If I die, then Toad is not Mafia, unless mafia took my bluff or thought I could get Toad lynched anyways, which I don't find likely. So, go with him being 97% town/assassin.
So again, why are you lying saying the guy thought I'm mafia? Why are you misrepresenting the situation? Why are you not reading the thread. Btw the same happened today between BM and you and you're STILL to thick to understand what BM has posted and STILL haven't understood a word. Why should I shoot / lynch a guy as mafia who tells people I'm 97% confirmed town when I "successfully" figured out he's fakeclaiming and therefore only reactiontesting?
- Hapa is the only guy out of these 3 who actually attacked me AT ALL. The only one. Sorry I've got someone who attacked me and said it might be possible (he never actually made a case against me, just paranoia if I remember correctly?) that I'm mafia. Pretty sure if I search for people who attacked YOU and ended up being dead I'm going to find more than one guy in the entire game.
More fluff about TOAD BEING SO TOWN EVERYONE SAID IT AND NOW THEY ARE DED OMFG.
On September 14 2012 05:33 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:10 Mementoss wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:25 Mementoss wrote:
I have two questions about the night:
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4?
Why was MKFuba killed? Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else.
Yeah but if you were mafia you would have shot Zboson to make yourself look more townie.
You said this DIRECTLY after the mad hatter claim:
On September 13 2012 05:30 Toadesstern wrote:
I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not?
Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip.
If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long.
However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow.
So I propose this:
Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p
So you being alive after Mad Hatter claim and boson is dead means nothing to me and should mean nothing to anyone.
1) If your town, mafia shoots ZBoson and hopes to kill you as well
2) If your mafia, you already were confident it was a fakeclaim and killed Zboson to somewhat confirm yourself.
The fact that you act as it somewhat confirms you as town anymore than anything else is concerning.
acting confident in the thread as mafia and shooting the guy in the balls who claims to have a bomb on you are two very different things.
Again, yes I'm a bold mafia player in general but that? Risking everything when I'm totally fine (assuming I'm mafia) with just shooting someone else who did not claim to have a bomb on me?
You now know that Z-Boson is town because he flipped town but you think anyone would have considered lynching me after his post?
Even if both Boson and I survived I wouldn't even look bad because of that so there's not a single reason for me to take that gamble that could possibly lose my team (still assuming I'm mafia) the game just on the whim that I'm thinking the guy is fakeclaiming.
There's just no reason to shoot Boson from a mafia perspective if I am mafia. Not a single one that isn't overshadowed by massive drawbacks even if I considered it to be a fakeclaim while there is a shitton of reasoning for shooting Boson if I'm town.
Just stop it, go scumhunt somewhere else. You won't find something at my place.
I think this conversation is a good indicator of Toad again trying to convince town that he is confirmed town, and no one should think otherwise or even discuss it. Toad is feeling the pressure at the end of this discussion and says the following:
[b]Just stop it, go scumhunt somewhere else. You won't find something at my place.
He is misrepresenting the situation which actually was:
1) Toad was very confident it was a fake claim
2) Zboson gets killed by mafia
3) Toad knew it was a fake claim and killed Zboson as a means of confirming himself.
Also the Zboson situation AGAIN ends up in Toad not trusting anyones decision making but his own, he asks for watchers and trackers on Zboson at first, and then asks for a vigilante on him. He knows mafia is delivering the KP on Zboson but he just wants to waste a possible vig shot on him and confirm himself all at once.
Part 2: Alot of Posts, No Scum-hunting, Inconsistencies:
Lets sum up day 1 for toad. He had almost 4 filter pages, do you want to know how this was spent? Shitting up the thread arguing the same obvious points with Ottoxlol all day. He really had no concern of finding scum that day, he just wanted to stir up a shit pot so scum could catch up and scum would be harder to be found in the day 1 connections with Matcchew.
Day 2 explains that grush is definitly scum in the case below. But he never even tries to push this case or convince anyone of it, he lets it slide. Town toad would be yelling at everyone to look at his case and take note and vote grush. Scum toad just did it on the basis of making a case. He never mentions grush being mafia again after this day.
On September 08 2012 09:18 Toadesstern wrote:
Just to explain what I'm talking about when talking about grush:
From PTP3:On August 22 2012 10:57 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 10:56 JingleHell wrote:
Sorry my activity has been shit. My guts have been acting up, which has had me not interested in thinking much. Occupational hazard of crohn's.
Anyways, I'm not comfortable with the people looking at VE because he's playing differently. He took a LOT of crap in Mad Men for his play, some based on meta. If a lot of people want him to play differently, and he's tired of being looked at the way he is, he might just try to play differently.
I still like the idea of lynching Grush in absence of real reads, but maybe that's just a combination of me being vindictive and him being Grush. If we have a better target, obviously that would nullify it anyways. YOU DONT ANSWER FOR VE ACTIONS, VE DOES.
vs this game:
On September 04 2012 08:22 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:20 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 04 2012 08:09 DoYouHas wrote:
Well, as per usual I like lynching lurkers day 1 if a scummier option doesn't present itself.
Blues should do as they see fit. Discussion in that area only gives scum more points of reference for blue hunting.
In the past L has assured me that this is always the correct course of action, sooo
##Vote: Bill Murray Why Bill Murray as opposed to any other lurker? Because he posted 20 minutes before the game started? I checked the thread 5 minutes before it started then went downstairs to do something else. I just don't see the point of voting this early when a scummier option is pretty much sure to present itself. Meek and apologetic tone, parroting posts other people have already made, etc. ##Vote DoYouHasThat'll do for now. He's probably just pressuring him. Plus BM has a reputation.
Bunch of serious, yet easy to do posts:
[spoiler=click me]On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:24 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously. I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia. Could you clarify what you mean by this point? Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew. I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from NONONOONONO As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something. On September 04 2012 09:27 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:30 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote:On September 04 2012 08:24 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously. I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia. Could you clarify what you mean by this point? Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew. I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from NONONOONONO As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something. Why? Town needs all the information possible. Mafia will already know this information.If it was a blue vigi shot then the blue willl already know and they won't have to tell town without outing themselves. Mafia will know if there were vigi shots because they killed the other people.
As if town-grush would ever say something like that. He's trying to look good saying something like that. Town-grush wouldn't even care about something like this.
On September 05 2012 05:12 grush57 wrote:
Well, looks like Mattchew slipped and all the noobs on his team are now scrambling.
So....
##Vote: Mattchew
Miltonkram after this lynch?(Assuming that Mattchew flips scum which he will)
Already setting up the next lynch without giving an explanation at all?
On September 05 2012 05:16 grush57 wrote:
And all of you new players as town you gotta make stances, lists of reads do jack shit. A lot of you are sounding scummy and probably just because you're new, but actually town.
nothing, easy to do. Neither does he do that himself nor would town grush care for something like that
On September 07 2012 09:31 grush57 wrote:
So we're in good shape right now. I'll look through some people's filter tomorrow.
as if lol
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Buddy-Buddy posts:
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On September 06 2012 07:51 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 06 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Bam. Watcher on people like BC and me please.
Mafia will want to hit that. Why on earth do you think mafia would want to hit you? Towny vets. On September 06 2012 09:55 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed. Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is. By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5. So, I say we off you next. If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang. For those who missed it the first time. He clearly states happa + toad are trying to defend their "mates" or in this case "mate" by trying to drop the matt discussion. This is 3 reds. He then states the other 2 mafia are lurkers who voted with no real content then generically lists a bunch of lurkers and DrH who has been one of the most active players in the game. But he told us 5. 2 defending 1 and then 2 in a group of lurkers. It wasn't I think there are two more or anything. he clearly outlines 2 defending their scumbuddy by shutting down conversation (lul as that wasnt the reason they argued with him) and 2 in lurkers. Guy outright mislabeled one of the most active players calling him a "lurker" and outed the mafia team # as 5. Burn him with fire. Damn BC you're on a roll, though that slip isn't 100% confirmed mafia but adding that with the other bs he said definitely scum. On September 07 2012 07:37 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:34 Hapahauli wrote:Shame a shot got wasted on Ottox. Oh well. ##Vote Miltonkram@ GrushOn September 07 2012 07:31 grush57 wrote:Hmm, goodkarma suiciding on BC the vet I guess. Plus we got rid of Ottox so gj viggies  Shouldn't you... uh... NOT be happy vigi shot a green role? Yea but it's better than just about any other townie. Better than say the vigi going crazy and shooting Toad or something. [/spoiler]
Last but not least those 2 posts that don't really fit a special topic:
On September 08 2012 07:12 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:52 Toadesstern wrote:
grush is mafia. BKE's probably; if BKE's not mafia it's probably foru?
But I had almost no time today as friends came over so I'll have to reread things tomorrow. Haven't even read what happened the last 4 hours so far except for an incredible fast read. Kill me it will help the town I promise :D
If someone tells me to lynch him the best thing to do usually is to lynch him. It's either trying to be manipulative and trying to appeal for emotions (in which case he's mafia) or he's given the game up (in which case he can be both) or he doesn't care about the game and is going to be anti-town no matter of alignment. I highly lean on the first one though.
On September 07 2012 08:48 grush57 wrote:
This is hard Town is REALLY active and good this game.
Yeah I asked him about that and he answered but I can't stop but get the feeling that was supposed to be a post for a mafia QT lol.
tl;dr So yeah I feel quite strongly about grush. He's hard to judge because he really doesn't seem to care about games and play anti-town no matter of alignment but that guy got to die.
Toad town also VOTES who he feels strongly again. Toad doesn't drop the vote here even though he is sure grush is scum. After this full case, BKE comes in with the claim, Toad sees the oppotunity to jump on the easy bus and kill a blue in one shot so he goes for it. He doesn't build a case on BKE he uses the claim alone as the sole reason for voting. After a good amount of votes are on BKE, and the lynch seems secure, Toad goes back to grush. Toad doesn't even try to convince people to get off the BKE wagon. And again he never tries to push or vote grush again as a candidate in day 3 or day 4.
On September 11 2012 01:21 Toadesstern wrote:
Let's be honest here:
I think if we lynch into one of either Forumite, S&B, BM or Z-Boson we're going to hit "not-townie" all the way.
That's the reason I didn't want to talk about S&B because I suspected him to be an Assassin (you're welcome \o/ ).
If BM is Mafia Foru's got to be an Assassin (again, you're welcome \o/ ) and isn't actually mafia himself.
Foru basicly claimed he's playing cautious on purpose so that fits the Assassin as well.
Z-Boson and BM have some weird connection this day.
I really don't like how Boson gets in here telling people BM is confirmed because of the blue thing, on top of that he instantly finds another breadcrumb BM apparently did and the knowledge BM had about austin is supposed to make him somehow town when there's no way mafia would have shot a vig n1, even if they knew about one.
So if you take them all apart I'd be all up for lynching Forumite today.
If we're considering them as a whole I'd rather lynch Z-Boson.
Grush not here? Hmmm Toad always switching around who he wants lynched and who is scummy very inconsistent. Additioanlly, toad said this himself as scum he likes to put scum into these lists that have no basis.
On September 14 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 14 2012 07:03 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 09:27 goodkarma wrote:
I would agree with Hapa that Mattchew is almost a 100% scum read. He's done a good job of highlighting why.
But there is more than one scum. We need to move past Mattchew onto pressuring other people. A scum lynch day one puts us in an excellent position going forward. Looking at others' filters I couldn't help but notice that there still are a considerable number of people that need to participate more to help ensure a strong pro-town environment going into day 2.
Grush is at modkill-threshold. I don't expect he's going to be around all that much longer. Until he makes his first post, I consider any time spent pressuring him as a waste.
On the other hand, Gravan, MKfuba, austinmc, maverick, ShadySands, and ShioPi all stand out to me as semi-lurkers. Some of them seem to have legitimate reasons (such as ShadySands), but that doesn't mean they aren't scum with legitimate reasons.
Don't mafia usually try to at least list one fellow team mate in these things lol.
Yeah. I'm usually telling people to make it somewhat of an 1/3 mafia + 2/3 town mix when coaching or talking with people in QTs when I'm mafia myself.
Obviously depends on the situation but I'd highly doubt there's no mafia in that list.
Onto day 4, this is how Toad starts the day, after Day 3 discussion ebing SHIT and town in a really bad spot.
[B]On September 13 2012 22:46 Toadesstern wrote:
voting for Mementoss to get lynched seems like a good plan for today. Thoughts?
Also, he doesn't even try the whole day despite being there for quiet a while. He just is waiting for the cases to be brought up to agree with. Goes from me, to Mav gravan shady sands, to just grav and shady sands. He is basically asking people at this point who is the best lynch. Compare this to his day1-day3 play. Hes happy to sit back and let the mislynch happen. Also, why didn't he push his grush case again, nothing changed with grush. If you read through Toads filter you will realize most of it is nonsense. Setup talk, or just huge fluffy posts, or directly blues. Very little though about finding scum, or pressuring players into slipping ever occurs. Very lazy play from him, while trying to appear town.
All the rest of the stuff about the fake claim right when he feels the pressure and the defending on SnB is just icing on the scum cake.
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Also I was going to do something on Shady but I thought doing it on Toad was more important as I think he is scummier. And I ran out of time.
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Also here is another situation, its impossible to tell but this one could be likely.
How the kills went down:
BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP
BM24 was killed by mafia KP
GK was killed by suiciding into sloosh.
Austin shot into Ottox
I know it doesnt have much basis but I can't see how sloosh and Toad are still alive. Slooshes play on SnB makes me think he is 100% not mafia. But there is a good chance if he doesn't die tonight he is assassian and scum knows this because they already tried to kill him night 1.
Also I completely expect to die tonight. I only posted on toad because I think he is scummier but a lot of shit Shady has done has been super scummy. So talk it through and keep active, don't forget to look into all the lurky players that werent on the SnB wagon.
Looking at these players alive:
grush57
mementoss
slOosh
Gravan
Toadesstern
Bill Murray
DarthPunk
Maverick32x
ShiaoPi
imallinson
Shady Sands
Rewok
Kreb
Hopeless1der
I dont think it makes sense for anyone to be killed other than
Mementoss, Slo0sh, and maybe Kreb.
Hopefully there is only 2 mafia left, if we can get 1 more we half there KP and almost guarentee the win.
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On September 16 2012 07:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Btw I obviously lied about the tracker but needed to claim something to figure out wether or not I can get better chances and one more cycle or not, that's why I claimed at night.
Apparently the chances are not good because people thought I'm mafia once I started to derail the thread on purpose so town won't win by a rockslide after the n1 disaster :p
Anyways, had to take my chances and I shot Graven. Let's hope I get an bullseye :p
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GL town take it home!
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