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I would see Hapa as town. His reasoning was solid for most parts and I can understand his frustration with the game since he led a mislynch. Also his "selectiveness" reads to me as focusing on one read at a time which does not sound too bad with me. Got to go now though
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On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote:I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone. Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me?  Also; Bill Murray, get in here.
hmm? i need to catch up, but i've seen you beckoning me a few times
im waiting on an answer from sloosh before i proceed with my isolation on him
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On September 09 2012 19:26 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 19:22 Kreb wrote:On September 09 2012 18:40 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 18:11 Kreb wrote:On September 09 2012 15:10 Bill Murray wrote:On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote:
I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ...
GK probably bombed ... so ...
Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first. Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious. I didnt get this at least. From that post you make out that he seems to know too much. How? To me he is just speculating, which might not be worthy of a post to begin with but doesnt seem scummy to me. Kreb, BM is just trolling. Can you look at the DP/me/Hapa exchange in the past few pages and give us your thoughts? Well, I didnt ask him about the "lulz gay" post (troll post). I asked him about him finding someone suspicious, which doesnt seem like trolling to me. Anyway. Hapa apparently was a pretty big part in the mislynch against BKE, and then afterwards comes out strong with vig call on ShiaoPi. My first feeling is it would be pretty ballsy for a mafia to that (which is obviously a good reason to do it as mafia yea yea I get that). But continuing down the discussion I do think he seems quite (emotianlly?) invested in his scumhunting and his frustration is relevant for someone who is feeling he is being questioned more than he might deserve. Apart from that, a lot of your argument seems to be based on meta. His read on Shiao, your read on him not questioning you for your supposed off-what-you-normally-do-meta. I cant really comment on much of that since I dont have any meta reads at all on any of you. In addition I do like and agree with your reasonign on Grush. Giving him "free pass" is a bad idea to me because of what the situation might turn into should we get closer to mylo/lylo with him still in it. If we're gonna have to do a 75/25 guess on him at some point anyway we might as well do it earlier since it gives us an extra cycle to discuss whatever target we might go on should we give Grush a pass. A lot of this is apparently about meta too, but people seem to agree his play is always trollish/anti-townish so I'll go with that for now. And since we're talking meta anyway, whats the reason for your meta to be so off from your normal? I did see you mentioning a being busy at work in an earlier post, but not sure if thats the whole reason.. Emotional involvement is a null tell. Scum get angry just as much as town (thank you Blazinghand). My read on Hapa basically boils down to two things: 1) Hapa is playing off his meta while ignoring my shift on meta. 2) Hapa is being very selective/arbitrary in his scumhunting, and so far has led us to mislynch someone. Note that neither part of #2 is scummy on its own, but when taken together, are a clear scumtell. As for my own quietness, I honestly was busy. Will still be busy tomorrow and the next few days.
Of course scum get angry too, but it's most certainly a different type of anger in that case. Obviously hard to distinguish from a piece of text, but one can at least try and then match it together with other possible reads.
And isnt your 1) and 2) the same? You consider his scumhunting selective (2) because him ignoring your meta (1)? Thats one read, not two.
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Not just ignoring my meta. Read DP's case for more examples of being selective.
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This is what I have no clue about and would like you to clarify.
On September 09 2012 15:08 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm going to iso someone at random right now.
On September 09 2012 15:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote:
I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ...
GK probably bombed ... so ...
Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first. Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious. Sloosh, do you have any meta I can have? A town game, first, possibly a few (like 2 as green 1 as blue), and a scum game? Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:40 slOosh wrote:
Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list. Logic can lean towards information instead of analysis sloosh is someone i'm going to FoS until I can further analyze.
I am unsure if it is me or your writing style but I really find it difficult to follow what you are saying. It seems like you do have something to say, so please help me understand by clarifying and expanding.
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On September 09 2012 19:27 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote:I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone. Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me? Also; Bill Murray, get in here. How about not sweeping the whole Hapa/DP/me disagreement under the rug and commenting on it? Meh, I don´t think either of you stand out as especially scummy. I´ve been leaning town on Hapa for a while and the recent talk in the thread, what I´ve read of it, doesn´t change that.
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On September 09 2012 19:37 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote:I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone. Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me? Also; Bill Murray, get in here. hmm? i need to catch up, but i've seen you beckoning me a few times im waiting on an answer from sloosh before i proceed with my isolation on him Hurry please, you only have 10 hours to prepare a pre-deadline post.
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On September 09 2012 20:10 DarthPunk wrote:This is what I have no clue about and would like you to clarify. Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 15:08 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm going to iso someone at random right now. Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 15:10 Bill Murray wrote:On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote:
I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ...
GK probably bombed ... so ...
Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first. Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious. Sloosh, do you have any meta I can have? A town game, first, possibly a few (like 2 as green 1 as blue), and a scum game? On September 09 2012 14:40 slOosh wrote:
Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list. Logic can lean towards information instead of analysis sloosh is someone i'm going to FoS until I can further analyze. I am unsure if it is me or your writing style but I really find it difficult to follow what you are saying. It seems like you do have something to say, so please help me understand by clarifying and expanding.
even if sloosh is being logical, his points are really just a summation of events as opposed to actually scumhunting
he seems to have more knowledge than I do at this point, but that might not be saying much (Y)
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On September 09 2012 20:24 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 19:37 Bill Murray wrote:On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote:I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone. Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me? Also; Bill Murray, get in here. hmm? i need to catch up, but i've seen you beckoning me a few times im waiting on an answer from sloosh before i proceed with my isolation on him Hurry please, you only have 10 hours to prepare a pre-deadline post.
You know I still am leaning scum on you?
Why should I hurry?
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On September 09 2012 20:48 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 20:10 DarthPunk wrote:This is what I have no clue about and would like you to clarify. On September 09 2012 15:08 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm going to iso someone at random right now. On September 09 2012 15:10 Bill Murray wrote:On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote:
I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ...
GK probably bombed ... so ...
Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first. Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious. Sloosh, do you have any meta I can have? A town game, first, possibly a few (like 2 as green 1 as blue), and a scum game? On September 09 2012 14:40 slOosh wrote:
Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list. Logic can lean towards information instead of analysis sloosh is someone i'm going to FoS until I can further analyze. I am unsure if it is me or your writing style but I really find it difficult to follow what you are saying. It seems like you do have something to say, so please help me understand by clarifying and expanding. even if sloosh is being logical, his points are really just a summation of events as opposed to actually scumhunting he seems to have more knowledge than I do at this point, but that might not be saying much (Y)
Thanks! I will read his filter.
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On September 09 2012 20:49 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 20:24 Forumite wrote:On September 09 2012 19:37 Bill Murray wrote:On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote:I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone. Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me? Also; Bill Murray, get in here. hmm? i need to catch up, but i've seen you beckoning me a few times im waiting on an answer from sloosh before i proceed with my isolation on him Hurry please, you only have 10 hours to prepare a pre-deadline post. You know I still am leaning scum on you? Why should I hurry? I´m ignoring your earlier FoS on me. So far the only cases on me have been bad play, less aggressive than usual and "is scum because there must be scum vets, and the other vets flipped town. If you have anything real to add then I´ll listen to it, but I´m tired of weak suspicions without basis in evidence.
Anyway you should hurry because you are a vet, you are lurking, you are not helping town right now, and because you might have less than 10 hours to live in this game. That should be enough reason to get active right now.
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On September 09 2012 20:24 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 19:27 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote:I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone. Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me? Also; Bill Murray, get in here. How about not sweeping the whole Hapa/DP/me disagreement under the rug and commenting on it? Meh, I don´t think either of you stand out as especially scummy. I´ve been leaning town on Hapa for a while and the recent talk in the thread, what I´ve read of it, doesn´t change that.
Got it. I agree with portions of your Z-Boson scumread, btw, but not fully. What I find strange is how this whole discussion regarding vets being on the scumteam got started... and then immediately scum whacks two town vets (DrH and BC.) I know there's a connection there somewhere but I haven't been able to pin it down yet. I feel little like Bud White in LA Confidential. Where is my Ed Exley?
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im voting shady sands from here on out
not trolling
just going to make you all pick me or him regardless of alignment
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On September 09 2012 21:01 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 20:49 Bill Murray wrote:On September 09 2012 20:24 Forumite wrote:On September 09 2012 19:37 Bill Murray wrote:On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote:I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone. Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me? Also; Bill Murray, get in here. hmm? i need to catch up, but i've seen you beckoning me a few times im waiting on an answer from sloosh before i proceed with my isolation on him Hurry please, you only have 10 hours to prepare a pre-deadline post. You know I still am leaning scum on you? Why should I hurry? I´m ignoring your earlier FoS on me. So far the only cases on me have been bad play, less aggressive than usual and "is scum because there must be scum vets, and the other vets flipped town. If you have anything real to add then I´ll listen to it, but I´m tired of weak suspicions without basis in evidence. Anyway you should hurry because you are a vet, you are lurking, you are not helping town right now, and because you might have less than 10 hours to live in this game. That should be enough reason to get active right now.
the bolded coupled together are all very contradictory
you are an assassin huh?
you should work with the town, btw, it is your only hope
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On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
No this is my case on you
you're coaching Mattchew and warning him that you're going to bus him
this looks like it was your shittily devised plan for him to even claim
FoS: Forumite
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On September 09 2012 21:46 Bill Murray wrote:
im voting shady sands from here on out
not trolling
just going to make you all pick me or him regardless of alignment
lol, why?
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Guys ignore shadysands. He's trolling.
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On September 09 2012 22:47 Bill Murray wrote:
Guys ignore shadysands. He's trolling.
Quit acting like a toddler. You were trolling. I'm asking you why you think forcing town to limit its voting options to me or you will help town win.
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And BM please respond to DP's post.
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