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@ DP
So you felt that Ottox was town despite the fact he was scummy as shit. And you think Grush is town Despite looking scummy as shit. But you were 100% positive on BKE and tunnelled him all of day 2 without changing your read or your case because he 'flip-flopped' on Matt. DESPITE HIS CLAIM and with several of us making counter arguments?
Based on Flip flopping on Matt.
Good lord. I didn't think Ottox was scummy when I was defending him. For the 10000th time, hard defending confirmed scum isn't scummy - it's horribad town, and I made that clear so many times.
Yes I thought BKE was scummy. That's why I pushed for his lynch all day. I didn't believe his claim, as with like 16 other people in the thread.
I posted this on day one. You ignored it. Z - boson was similarly guilty. If you thought BKE was scum based on his interactions around Matt then you should have found Z - Boson suspicious also. And yet you don't mention him at all UNTIL Austin brings him up.
So what? I didn't pick up on it. The fact that I actually acknowledged it with austinmcc should tell you that I took it seriously when I found it. Again, at the time, I had a town-meta read on Z-Boson. I'm leaning town once again on Z-Boson after looking through his filter a couple of hours ago.
You repeat what I posted day one and what Austin had been saying. It is suspicious as hell and yet you continue to tunnel BKE. And state that Z - Boson is town.
You are being very selective on who you believe is scum/town and it is based on no shared thought processes from what I can see.
I explained this already. You don't read. I was convinced BKE was scum and pursued other reads.
And don't give me this selective shit. I've made the most reads out of anyone this game.
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If he's always anti-town, shouldn't he be a more valid target for a vigi hit than a lurker?
Basically, a lurker playing off his meta is a little less pressing a concern than someone who actively goes around and shits up the thread while making themselves unreadable. Why? Scum will never kill them, so they'll end up surviving. As the game draws closer and closer to MYLO/LYLO that player becomes more and more damaging to town. I made that mistake with Chez in Normal Mini III and I'm not making it again here.
On September 09 2012 13:40 Shady Sands wrote:
No, I'm calling for the shot on you and calling for the lynch on grush. I know I can get grush lynched, given how anti-town he's playing. You're a tougher nut to crack, especially with scumbuddies and misguided townies to soft-defend you.
Lol sup scum.
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On September 09 2012 13:44 Hapahauli wrote:
I explained this already. You don't read. I was convinced BKE was scum and pursued other reads.
So you pursued a town read on Z-boson? Is that what I am missing. You obviously don't read as you fail to understand the point.
You found Z - Boson Townie and BKE scummy despite doing extremely similar things based on the Mattchew flip which was the basis for you entire case.
And don't give me this selective shit. I've made the most reads out of anyone this game. [/QUOTE]
So you have made the most reads in the game? Too bad this means jack shit. And that does NOT EXPLAIN YOUR MOTIVATION.
Let me make it clear. You are a heuristic that process the same information and arrives at different conclusions. That is why you are selective. I said jack shit about the quantity of your posts. I am talking about the content. But thanks for trying to once again derail the discussion.
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On September 09 2012 13:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 13:44 Hapahauli wrote:
I explained this already. You don't read. I was convinced BKE was scum and pursued other reads. So you pursued a town read on Z-boson? Is that what I am missing. You obviously don't read as you fail to understand the point.
Where the hell do you get that from? I had a town-read on Z-Boson at that point in the game and was pursuing other reads (MiltonKram). Why would I pursue someone I have a town read on.
My question is, if you found Z-boson so scummy, why didn't you pursue your read on him?
You found Z - Boson Townie and BKE scummy despite doing extremely similar things based on the Mattchew flip which was the basis for you entire case.
Did you read my case on BKE? Clearly you didn't. I found BKE scummy for the 180 change in opinions over two posts. Z-Boson doesn't have another post to compare to.
Show nested quote +And don't give me this selective shit. I've made the most reads out of anyone this game. So you have made the most reads in the game? Too bad this means jack shit. And that does NOT EXPLAIN YOUR MOTIVATION.
So you admit you're wrong about your "Selective" thing? Please read my 9-page filter and decide my "motivation" then.
Let me make it clear. You are a heuristic that process the same information and arrives at different conclusions. That is why you are selective. I said jack shit about the quantity of your posts. I am talking about the content. But thanks for trying to once again derail the discussion.
That's not the definition of selectivity that I know of.
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@ Shady + DP
This reeks of town on town violence, and I'm done with it. Quite frankly I'm sick of getting tunneled by two townies who aren't reading my posts. Goodnight sirs and see you tomorrow morning.
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On September 09 2012 13:47 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +If he's always anti-town, shouldn't he be a more valid target for a vigi hit than a lurker? Show nested quote +Basically, a lurker playing off his meta is a little less pressing a concern than someone who actively goes around and shits up the thread while making themselves unreadable. Why? Scum will never kill them, so they'll end up surviving. As the game draws closer and closer to MYLO/LYLO that player becomes more and more damaging to town. I made that mistake with Chez in Normal Mini III and I'm not making it again here. Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 13:40 Shady Sands wrote:
No, I'm calling for the shot on you and calling for the lynch on grush. I know I can get grush lynched, given how anti-town he's playing. You're a tougher nut to crack, especially with scumbuddies and misguided townies to soft-defend you. Lol sup scum.
On September 09 2012 14:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Shady + DP
This reeks of town on town violence, and I'm done with it. Quite frankly I'm sick of getting tunneled by two townies who aren't reading my posts. Goodnight sirs and see you tomorrow morning.
Cool story bro.
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On September 09 2012 13:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Did you read my case on BKE? Clearly you didn't. I found BKE scummy for the 180 change in opinions over two posts. Z-Boson doesn't have another post to compare to.
Right so because Z -Boson did a 180 degree in ONE POST and not TWO BKE was scum and ZB was town?
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Last bit before I go to bed - am I not allowed to change my mind in an emotional conversation?
w/e, believe what you want.
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On September 09 2012 13:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Please read my 9-page filter and decide my "motivation" then.
As if I haven't? Honestly you keep bringing it back to the quantity of your posts. But that does not mean anything in regards to your alignment.
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On September 09 2012 14:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 13:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Did you read my case on BKE? Clearly you didn't. I found BKE scummy for the 180 change in opinions over two posts. Z-Boson doesn't have another post to compare to.
Right so because Z -Boson did a 180 degree in ONE POST and not TWO BKE was scum and ZB was town?
Goddamnit you make it so hard for me to sleep.
BKE was scum because of the 180 + other scummy stuff in his filter (ottox stances). I was wrong, and a bunch of townies were wrong with me.
In the context of Z-Boson's play, I think he's town. Yes I find that post suspicious. Yes I acknowledged it with austinmcc's play. Yes I was thinking about that post earlier this night. However given the rest of Z-Boson's play and looking at his scum filter in XXIV, I think Z-Boson is town.
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Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson?
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On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson?
Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on.
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On September 09 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson? Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on.
But lolz why wouldn't town pursue Z-Boson readz if they find it scumy lololololololol
Clearly t3h scum lol.
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On September 09 2012 14:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson? Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on. But lolz why wouldn't town pursue Z-Boson readz if they find it scumy lololololololol Clearly t3h scum lol.
Because he posted better later on
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On September 09 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson? Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on.
But in all seriousness, you're blaming me for not pursuing Z-Boson when we were on the exact same page about why we thought he was town?
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On September 09 2012 14:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson? Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on. But in all seriousness, you're blaming me for not pursuing Z-Boson when we were on the exact same page about why we thought he was town?
No. I am blaming you for tunnelling BKE and not even considering BKE could be town despite his claim. Even though you had made peace with another person being town whom was guilty of the same things you used in your case on BKE.
And I DO NOT think Z - Boson is town. I am suspicious of him as I am of you and of everyone in this game. The only town reads I had were of BC and DrH.
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On September 09 2012 14:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:14 Hapahauli wrote:On September 09 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson? Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on. But in all seriousness, you're blaming me for not pursuing Z-Boson when we were on the exact same page about why we thought he was town? No. I am blaming you for tunnelling BKE and not even considering BKE could be town despite his claim. Even though you had made peace with another person being town whom was guilty of the same things you used in your case on BKE. And I DO NOT think Z - Boson is town. I am suspicious of him as I am of you and of everyone in this game. The only town reads I had were of BC and DrH.
Let's go back to our states of mind at the beginning of D2. At that point, we both thought Z-Boson was town yes? At that point in the game (thinking Z-Boson was town based on meta), I went back through filters and saw BKE's post. I had no such meta read on BKE and thought BKE was scum.
As for why I tunneled BKE without considering he was town - I thought he was scummy as shit. I had no reason to believe he was town. Should I have believed he was town in hindsight? I don't know. I liked my case and it was wrong. Shit happens.
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Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list.
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On September 09 2012 14:40 slOosh wrote:
Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list.
Well on the bright side, I got two strong town reads out of it.
Anywho, it's almost 2am. Gnite for real this time.
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