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On September 15 2012 06:46 Mementoss wrote: Gravan vote SnB Unless you are scum then just die plz | ||
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On September 15 2012 06:47 slOosh wrote: Gravan you should reconsider your vote - we aren't lynching Shady today. Also I was wondering, when you intially switched off of Gravan, you being the one who made the case, why did you switch, what changed your mind? | ||
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On September 15 2012 06:50 Kreb wrote: I dont exactly feel like voting Gravan, but I feel even less for Mav, so Im gonna have to go back to Gravan VERY soon if ppl dont switch to S&B. what the fuck. why. Why do you have to be on the lynch of the person that ends up dieing. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/images/fullcast.scum.png) The weather looks cloudy with a chance of scum | ||
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On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote: In light of the S&B flip, I think Toad is scum, because Toad has continually tried to paint S&B as an assassin. Based on this assassin read, Toad has used this as an excuse for himself to not pressure S&B or even mention him in the thread. + Show Spoiler [evidence] + On September 11 2012 01:21 Toadesstern wrote: Let's be honest here: I think if we lynch into one of either Forumite, S&B, BM or Z-Boson we're going to hit "not-townie" all the way. That's the reason I didn't want to talk about S&B because I suspected him to be an Assassin (you're welcome \o/ ). If BM is Mafia Foru's got to be an Assassin (again, you're welcome \o/ ) and isn't actually mafia himself. Foru basicly claimed he's playing cautious on purpose so that fits the Assassin as well. Z-Boson and BM have some weird connection this day. I really don't like how Boson gets in here telling people BM is confirmed because of the blue thing, on top of that he instantly finds another breadcrumb BM apparently did and the knowledge BM had about austin is supposed to make him somehow town when there's no way mafia would have shot a vig n1, even if they knew about one. So if you take them all apart I'd be all up for lynching Forumite today. If we're considering them as a whole I'd rather lynch Z-Boson. I mentioned S&B as well but as I said, he's probably Assassin so noone should care about him right now unless we see another 3rd party flip and he's still kicking. On September 13 2012 19:57 Toadesstern wrote: I said either BM or Foru are mafia later on. Something like d2, n2 or d3 I guess? So that one would be the more updated read on BM but not sure if that still holds. It was based on the "there has to be a mafia vet" assumption and forumite flipping green (=neither red nor black) pretty much destroyed that, or at least it now has an interesting twist to it: As far as I know we don't actually know whether we've got Assassins in this game or not. If we have some it's highly likely that BM and S&B are those Assassins because hosts don't usually give 3rd party roles to new guys because they're hard to play. If that's the case we obviously don't have a mafia within those 2. If we don't have Assassins to begin with we probably still have a mafia within those 2. Not sure I want to take that gamble today. Then shortly before he leaves, he tries to narrow town's options to anyone but S&B. That's more than three times over the past 2 votecycles. During (and before) those 2 votecycles, Toad was pushing BKE, Z-Boson, and Forumite, all of whom flipped town or blue. Furthermore, look at who has questioned Toad over the game: BKE Hapa Z-Boson Notice a pattern? They're all dead. TLDR: Toad has soft-defended S&B for awhile, pushed three straight townies for lynches, and anyone who made substantive cases on him has been NK'd. Now onto my post about S&B. I made that in the heat of the moment in my effort to get Gravan lynched. In retrospect, it looks scummy and stupid. That being said, I misread what S&B wrote about Gravan--I thought he was agreeing that Gravan was scum, when it is apparent now that S&B was actually soft-defending him. Since I thought at the time that Gravan was scum, anyone who came out before a lynch was inevitable on Gravan and made noises about lynching him earned town points in my book. Now that S&B has flipped scum, I retract that and I think Gravan is just a bad town who other scum tried to latch upon. Grav's behavior, in particular, over the past few hours has been very townie and returns my read on him to null. I have a few other players who look scummy to me: Rewok ShiaoPi Mementoss DarthPunk I'm going to be looking through their filters and will get something out before the daypost. Final note: in case this isn't obvious already, S&B lynch should serve as strong town-tells for Sloosh and Hopeless1der. I'd like you to explain why I look scummy, instead of just taking random names out of a hat. thanks | ||
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On September 15 2012 02:25 Mementoss wrote: How do you have a townread on SnB let alone a STRONG townread, wtf, this guy hasn't done shit all game. On September 15 2012 03:06 Mementoss wrote: Unbury The only person I would be willing to vote other than Mav today would be SnB. Everything slo0sh said is exactly how I felt reading everything SnB said this game. The fact that shady sands not only had a town read without reason on SnB but a STRONG town read on SnB and completely ignored my question of why or what evidence made him believe this, is super scummy. It's like he just said it to sway peoples mind and to say it, without having any reasoning whatsoever. Why would town need to try to force the lynch for the next day continuontly and say they have a strong town read without evidence on someone who had barely any votes at all at the time. On September 14 2012 05:53 Mementoss wrote: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ lets decide the lynch for tomorrow, cause thats helpful and creates discussion >_> | ||
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Of course there is the chance he expected someone else to switch onto SnB last minute and he wanted to look good, but I doubt this, cause he coulda sheeped onto Gravan instead. | ||
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"BM is still alive, no one is bitching about him, are you?" You know mafia would never kill BM, are you purposely trying to say stupid things? | ||
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On September 15 2012 23:15 Mementoss wrote: If toad was a tracker and though SnB was assasian he woulda tracked SnB end of story. EBWOP I am dumb. | ||
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Lets try and break this shit down shall we? The Facts: Kills: Ottoxlol was killed BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP BM24 was killed GK was killed Actions: BKEXE watched BC and got back GK. What Toad Claims Happened: Actions: Toad tracks BM24 and returns Imallinson because he was Nosy Neighbour. There must be a 2nd vig, either mafia or town for Toads scenario to be possible. How he thinks the kills went down: BC was killed by GK submitting Mafia KP BM24 was killed by Mafia KP GK was 100% killed by town vig Ottox killed by either town or mafia vig What I think about Toads scenario: Ottox was definitly NOT killed by mafia vig, that would be retarded. Also, if mafia had a multi-shot vig you think there would have been an extra night kill night 2 or night 3, unless they ran into jailkeeper or assassian. So your scenario basically says there are 2 multi-shot town vigs in the game. But again, this makes no sense to me. 1) Would it be balanced for town to have 4 shots in a 26 person game, when mafia doesn't have a vig? 2) Does it make sense that town had another 2 shots other than Austinmc but players like grush, BM, ShiaoPi and Rewok are still alive? Doubtful. Unless a shot was ran into an assassian. But by now you would think the multi-shot was out of bullets and claimed there shots to shed light to the town. Which hasn't happened. So basically, I think your scenarios don't make much sense, and therefore your claim is fake and therefore you are scum. It's so easy to make up all these scenarios with roles such as the assassian and multi-shot vig possibilities. What I think happened: How the kills went down: BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP BM24 was killed by mafia KP GK was killed by Austinmc but wasn't claimed because he had another shot left GK suicided into Ottox Why does this scenario make sense? Scum expected someone to vig on ottoxlol or at least watch/track him, he was the most popular topic coming into night 1, and almost everyone wanted him dead or at least figure out what the fuck he was about. Also, this post by austinmc sums up this point well, Toad talking about stacking on Ottox would make sense for a suicide onto him. On September 10 2012 06:53 austinmcc wrote: May as well post a little about Toad. *snip* The way he was asking blues to congregate on himself/BC last night worried me, in a game where scum went for a suicide bomber on outspoken townies (DrH was as outspoken and towny on my list as BC was). He wants medics on him and BC. If you're a watcher, you might want to watch those people to see who visited and either find shooters or blues if the guy doesn't die. So a request like that MIGHT = a bunch of blues stacked up. However, DrH got suicided and not BC, so the more I reread the less paranoid I am. He also wanted all vigis stacked on ottox.Same as with stacking on himself/BC, you get a nice juicy suicide bomber target. Moreover, you could ensure that extra bullets were wasted on Ottox, who you knew to be town. Again, perfectly townie thing to say - we need to have this guy gone before D2, please don't everyone think someone else will take care of this, because that's happened before. But just nagged at the back of my mind. *snip* I've got another possible situation in mind, but it is not as likely and will talk about it closer to deadline. I will now investigate toad more to my style, and shady sands as well. I don't overly care for Toad defending himself any longer, as he's good enough to make a defense as mafia that looks legit enough to not get lynched. I would like to hear his scum reads and cases moreso hes already defended himself. As homework, read into austinmc's filter to try to get some insight for what he was saying and it might clear up the night 1 nonsense. | ||
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On September 16 2012 03:19 Shady Sands wrote: Actually, N1, if GK suicided into Ottox, then couldn't it also be the case that: BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP BM24 was killed by mafia KP GK suicided into Ottox Austinmc shot someone with medic protection or with bulletproof, or he himself was roleblocked? Yeah I just realized that. | ||
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On September 16 2012 04:54 Shady Sands wrote: Anyhow, in sum: Toad's claim is basically null because there are so many ways in which it could be true, and many other situations in which it could be false. What's important is the case on him revolving around his soft defense of SnB, as well as how he went pretty much awol/apathetic over the final few hours of the heated D4 lynch. If his case is based on the soft defense of SnB than what does YOUR hard defense of SnB mean? You still didnt answer WHY you had a strong town read on him??? | ||
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