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On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him. Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_-
pokemon?
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On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him. Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_-
So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?"
Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title.
Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller.
So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here?
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All the role information is in the OP as far as I know. nothing says the person does not know they are the nosy neighbor only that they do not know who they visit. If the VT role pm is any indication, people do not get any information in their role pm other than the name of their role.
If BC can point out how he knows 100% Mattchew is lying then he'd have a case but he won't even say it it's just a bad scum play, lynch him
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apparently we are all scum for not knowing this too lol
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1. Burden of proof is on you to prove mattchew is lying
2. whether or not it makes sense as a fakeclaim does not indicate his alignment whatsoever. your case is that you know 100% he is lying, ok and on what grounds can you support that? you haven't shown any so far
bad bc
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On September 04 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him. Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_- So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?" Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title. Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller. So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here?
I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor.
This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so.
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because the setup says everyone gets their role names and has to refer to the op to know what their role does, it just seems strange that in the description for nosy neighbor it's written as though it was meant for someone who knows they are a nosy neighbor
so no it is not 100% accurate, that's just your guess based on knowledge of past games.
2 easy solutions to this question:
1 . someone ask palmar
2. other nosy neighbors claim
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It seems to me that the best play for a self aware nosy neighbour would be to claim immediately. Your whole Argument rests on the assumption that they are not self aware, which is something that is not clearly defined in the Rules. And yes the burdon of proof is on you as you are making the accusation. It is a fallacy to proclaim 'I am right unless you prove me wrong.'
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On September 04 2012 11:46 BlackMamba24 wrote:
1. Burden of proof is on you to prove mattchew is lying
2. whether or not it makes sense as a fakeclaim does not indicate his alignment whatsoever. your case is that you know 100% he is lying, ok and on what grounds can you support that? you haven't shown any so far
bad bc
You can prove I am lying with 1 action. As you have yet to do so (hey its even in the OP to find out how to prove me wrong).
You are right, his fakeclaim doesn't prove he is mafia on its own. However, HIM ASKING FOR CLAIMS DOES. Why would a townie fakeclaim and attempt to get all blues to claim ? No townie day 1 should ever be this fuckign stupid. Even if he gets caught as mafia (as I have caught him) had anyone or if anyone proceeds to claim and a bunch of retard blues out themselves mafia is instantly ahead.
Use your head DrH. You know how I play and know even as Mafia I don't spout complete bullshit. If I am calling someone out like this I know I am in the right. So in the offchance I am mafia I know hes lying, and as I am town I know hes lying.
There is only one way for me to know he is lying given that this is a setup mechanic. Figure out how I know and you then you will know the same thing I do and realize hes fucking lying.
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On September 04 2012 11:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him. Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_- So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?" Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title. Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller. So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here? I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor. This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so.
Let's do this the easy way:
Is the "Nosy Neighbor" self-aware? Does he receive his exact title in the role PM?
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On September 04 2012 11:51 DarthPunk wrote:
It seems to me that the best play for a self aware nosy neighbour would be to claim immediately. Your whole Argument rests on the assumption that they are not self aware, which is something that is not clearly defined in the Rules. And yes the burdon of proof is on you as you are making the accusation. It is a fallacy to proclaim 'I am right unless you prove me wrong.'
No miller/neighbor is self aware in any game ever except odd pyp/ptp like setups as it defeats the purpose of the role. This game holds true to the same rule as normal games for the mechanic.
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On September 04 2012 11:53 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him. Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_- So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?" Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title. Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller. So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here? I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor. This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so. Let's do this the easy way: Is the "Nosy Neighbor" self-aware? Does he receive his exact title in the role PM?
Can't ask questions in the thread buddy. It is in the OP.
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On September 04 2012 11:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him. Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_- So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?" Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title. Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller. So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here? I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor. This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so.
there have been games with self-aware millers
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On September 04 2012 11:53 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him. Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_- So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?" Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title. Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller. So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here? I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor. This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so. Let's do this the easy way: Is the "Nosy Neighbor" self-aware? Does he receive his exact title in the role PM?
Stop breaking rules yo
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On September 04 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him. Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_- So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?" Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title. Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller. So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here? I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor. This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so. there have been games with self-aware millers
Thankfully this game does not.
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why do refuse to point it out yourself
if you're so right just point out the thing in the setup, go ahead, make a quote
don't play this bullshit "haha just figure it out for yourself and you'll see im right!"
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On September 04 2012 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:46 BlackMamba24 wrote:
1. Burden of proof is on you to prove mattchew is lying
2. whether or not it makes sense as a fakeclaim does not indicate his alignment whatsoever. your case is that you know 100% he is lying, ok and on what grounds can you support that? you haven't shown any so far
bad bc You can prove I am lying with 1 action. As you have yet to do so (hey its even in the OP to find out how to prove me wrong). You are right, his fakeclaim doesn't prove he is mafia on its own. However, HIM ASKING FOR CLAIMS DOES. Why would a townie fakeclaim and attempt to get all blues to claim ? No townie day 1 should ever be this fuckign stupid. Even if he gets caught as mafia (as I have caught him) had anyone or if anyone proceeds to claim and a bunch of retard blues out themselves mafia is instantly ahead. Use your head DrH. You know how I play and know even as Mafia I don't spout complete bullshit. If I am calling someone out like this I know I am in the right. So in the offchance I am mafia I know hes lying, and as I am town I know hes lying. There is only one way for me to know he is lying given that this is a setup mechanic. Figure out how I know and you then you will know the same thing I do and realize hes fucking lying.
woah... i asked for all other nosy neighbors to claim, not blues.
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he's trying to say he pm'd palmar
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Roles and game specific rules
The role PMs will only include your role name. Refer to this post for information on how your role works.
Vanilla Townie
You are a regular townie, your only weapons are your voice and your vote.
Nosy Neighbour
You are a Nosy Neighbour. This means that you are basically vanilla town, except every night you will visit a random player in the game. You will not know whom you visited.
go ahead point it out
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