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On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Just saw this post. You are scum sup.
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On September 04 2012 10:50 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Then why did you ask the question in the first place if it was so blindingly obvious that it was something so obviously bad to ask that you would be insta-voted with no explanation? And I will not apologise for calling Mattchews vote retarded. Quoting a question and voting does not satisfy my need for a reasonable case before a vote. what are you harping on about? the vote was to make him realize he was being thick
OK. I don't see the point of it. Obviously not everyone is going to see it like that and some (like myself) will think you actually mean it when you vote for someone. Maybe instead of retarded I should have said vague, confusing and anti-town.
On September 04 2012 10:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Okay this is getting nowhere fast. Howbout this - other than being "retarded", does it make you lean one way or another toward Mattchew's alignment?
As to Mattchews alignment. He claimed Nosy neighbour. As far as I am concerned if he is not a nosy neighbour it will become apparent over time if he was lying. So I would like to take a wait and see approach. I don't feel like his posts are pro town. Perhaps I am missing things and it is going over my head. But clarity and Transparency are preferable to what has been going on during the last few pages.
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There is a lot of people who have not yet posted. The views on policy lynch, from what I've gathered, are varied. Absolute lurkers will get modkilled, so should we discuss what to do with people who have posted one or two crap posts and disappeared?
@Darthpunk
Unjustified accusations won't get us anywhere. If you are going to say it was retarded, say why.
@Hapa
You described a fine line between:
-> Picking fights for the sake of picking fights
-> Picking fights for the sake of trying to start conversations
You defended sloosh based on him trying to start conversations. Can you be more specific on what is the difference between these two, for clarity??
@slOosh
Very well, seems reasonable. Thanks for clearing that up. What is your take on Darthpunk?
##Unvote
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On September 04 2012 11:03 goodkarma wrote:Hey all  A couple general observations for what I've just read: -I don't follow some of the voting that's already taken place in this thread. I don't get why some of us feel the need to vote for each other this early with little to no information to back a vote up. Imho, we should be working to establish a strong, pro-town atmosphere just as much as we are to find a lynch candidate for today. -I remember Hapa saying this once before: lynching one of the most vocal members day one is typically not the best idea. Looking back at how NMM XXIV turned out (Shady's lynch), others here should agree with me that there's at least some evidence to support this. Town loses so much more from a mislynch of a vocal town than of a semi-lurker, and, at least in my experience, you're much more likely to lynch a town than a scum when you target the most vocal day one player. I'm not going to assume that sloosh is town at this point, but the effort he's taken to pressure others with his posts is definitely conducive towards a pro-town atmosphere. Along those lines, I feel that Z-Boson's early vote on sloosh could very well be scum motivated. I disagree that sloosh's discussion is unhelpful. Maybe scum or town could pressure people like sloosh has, but he's pushing for more information so he's not stuck making a weak case against others, as Z-Boson has with sloosh: ##FoS: Z-Boson
Howdy gk
There are good ways to push information, and bad ways. By the way that almost ALL his posts were questions and the fact that some of them could easily have been avoided, I interpreted them as adding confusion rather than removing it. Thus, I pressured him to respond to this and was satisfied with his reply.
The reason for the vote this early is evidently to force answers, just as your FOS did with me 
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On September 04 2012 07:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:53 grush57 wrote:On September 04 2012 07:48 Toadesstern wrote:
The meaning was that I think he's a town blue and I therefore want to kill him as quickly as possible.
Or perhaps I don't like people pointing out useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game. I guess it has but what are we supposed to talk about the 2KP change or the vig addition he mentioned. Well, there is nothing else to talk about then until a scumslip or something. Talking about rules and such is how you figure out people stances and opinions which leads to finding out who is playing like town and who is playing like scum. you say that and yet we're talking about why I think sloOsh deservers a vote and wether or not you agree with me. Funny, isn't it?
You still haven't answered my question, (when you get back). How could you think sloOsh was scum based on a post that tried to draw discussion? Imo a post like that doesn't prove they are scum, it could just as easily be a townie trying to start a discussion.
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On September 04 2012 11:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
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@Hapa
You described a fine line between:
-> Picking fights for the sake of picking fights 1
-> Picking fights for the sake of trying to start conversations 2
You defended sloosh based on him trying to start conversations. Can you be more specific on what is the difference between these two, for clarity??
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Well firstly, sloOsh wasn't picking a fight with anyone as far as I could tell. He's been defending himself and questioning players, but he hasn't gone out looking for trouble.
TBH, I just don't understand the purpose of your question. It should be pretty clear that #1 is more mafia-motivated than #2 (hence me believing that Toadsstern is town for now), but the question really doesn't apply to sloOsh.
On September 04 2012 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Okay this is getting nowhere fast. Howbout this - other than being "retarded", does it make you lean one way or another toward Mattchew's alignment? As to Mattchews alignment. He claimed Nosy neighbour. As far as I am concerned if he is not a nosy neighbour it will become apparent over time if he was lying. So I would like to take a wait and see approach. I don't feel like his posts are pro town. Perhaps I am missing things and it is going over my head. But clarity and Transparency are preferable to what has been going on during the last few pages.
That's fair. Your responses seem townie enough - I'd ##unvote if votes in this thread actually counted =P
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On September 04 2012 11:10 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Just saw this post. You are scum sup. ?
you claimed miller. How would a miller know they are a miller? thus you are scum.
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On September 04 2012 11:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:10 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Just saw this post. You are scum sup. ? you claimed miller. How would a miller know they are a miller? thus you are scum.
You did read the setup right?
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On September 04 2012 11:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:10 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Just saw this post. You are scum sup. ? you claimed miller. How would a miller know they are a miller? thus you are scum.
i received my role. it told me what it was.
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On September 04 2012 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:10 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Just saw this post. You are scum sup. ? you claimed miller. How would a miller know they are a miller? thus you are scum. You did read the setup right?
he knows the setup
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lol, guess I should read the OP more carefully.
@Hapa
The purpose is just because I don't see the difference between the two. Me picking fights with someone implies that I don't agree with them or that I find something suspicious and am attacking them for it. I can only presume you mean the line between "picking fights with no good reason" and "picking fights with good reason", in which case I don't think it is a strong scum tell, granted that a bad player will also apparently pick fights without good reason.
Meanwhile
We have a player with one bad post and nothing more to add:
On September 04 2012 07:54 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:51 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 07:47 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 04 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:I propose a town circle: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oQoiR.jpg) Discuss. I think you should start scumhunting or we will lynch you Rewok and austinmcc are my top scumreads - what are yours? BM is my top scumread, he said just before day post and we havent heard from him since.
Are you going to bother answering any of BWexe's questions against you or was this just your anti-modkill ticket?
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On September 04 2012 11:03 goodkarma wrote:Hey all A couple general observations for what I've just read: -I don't follow some of the voting that's already taken place in this thread. I don't get why some of us feel the need to vote for each other this early with little to no information to back a vote up. Imho, we should be working to establish a strong, pro-town atmosphere just as much as we are to find a lynch candidate for today. -I remember Hapa saying this once before: lynching one of the most vocal members day one is typically not the best idea. Looking back at how NMM XXIV turned out (Shady's lynch), others here should agree with me that there's at least some evidence to support this. Town loses so much more from a mislynch of a vocal town than of a semi-lurker, and, at least in my experience, you're much more likely to lynch a town than a scum when you target the most vocal day one player. I'm not going to assume that sloosh is town at this point, but the effort he's taken to pressure others with his posts is definitely conducive towards a pro-town atmosphere. Along those lines, I feel that Z-Boson's early vote on sloosh could very well be scum motivated. I disagree that sloosh's discussion is unhelpful. Maybe scum or town could pressure people like sloosh has, but he's pushing for more information so he's not stuck making a weak case against others, as Z-Boson has with sloosh: ##FoS: Z-Boson
Can you explain why it's scum motivated? Why does scum want sloosh out of the game when all he's doing is arguing with Toadesstern and asking dumb questions
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On September 04 2012 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 11:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 11:10 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Just saw this post. You are scum sup. ? you claimed miller. How would a miller know they are a miller? thus you are scum. You did read the setup right?
Good thing I know I'm right.
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Let me tell you guys what's happening - townies are having really dumb arguments and scum are lurking
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On September 04 2012 11:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
@slOosh
Very well, seems reasonable. Thanks for clearing that up. What is your take on Darthpunk?
Nothing particularly scummy.
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On September 04 2012 11:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Darthpunk
Unjustified accusations won't get us anywhere. If you are going to say it was retarded, say why.
I thought it was obvious that Insta-voting someone who simply asked a question would be retarded. It was certainly anti-town. Trying to shut people down who are trying to bring to the thread a diverse set of information and opinion is Anti-town. It was later explained that Matt was doing this to tell hapa he was being stupid. Whatever. I think this has been done to death and is becoming a distraction at this point.
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Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye
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On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye
If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him.
Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_-
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On September 04 2012 11:31 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Let me tell you guys what's happening - townies are having really dumb arguments and scum are lurking
Oh - odds are scum are definitely lurking. As I proposed, I think we should discuss a policy lynch specifically on people with crap posts who disappear, such as Oxliolwhatshisname, for example.
If you are saying that we are making really dumb arguments, would you mind making better ones?
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On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye
Also given that you recognize the claim makes sense as a fakeclaim you should realize I wouldn't call someone out given my playstyle unless I knew I was right. As you note that it makes sense as a fakeclaim, a scum making said claim WHILE ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO CLAIM.
Seriously, are people this dumb? or have I been deluding myself for ever.
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