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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
Well Then, Provide evidence that is not based on assuming this game operates in the same manner that previous games have. @BlackMamba I think that BC is wrong to misrepresent something as factual when it clearly is not. But that is not alignment indicative necessarily. He seems more like a townie than anything. If this is scum BC trying to get a Mislynch day one it has backfired spectacularly and would even more so when Mattchew flipped. It would be an extremely short sighted play. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On August 20 2012 03:03 Palmar wrote: Questions All questions should be PMd to the moderator. You are not allowed to say in thread you’re going to ask the moderator something, and you are not allowed to share your answer with the thread. If the question is a clarification all town needs to know, I will simply post an announcement in the thread. Do not ask questions in the thread once the game has started (you can do it during sign-ups). this is what BC is trying to say are you all this dumb? | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 04 2012 12:17 Mattchew wrote: this is what BC is trying to say are you all this dumb? right, so if he gets the information from the mod we all should be able to do that as well i mean if i pm the host and get the answer that nosy neighbor isn't aware then i'll be voting for you too so | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 04 2012 12:17 DarthPunk wrote: Well Then, Provide evidence that is not based on assuming this game operates in the same manner that previous games have. @BlackMamba I think that BC is wrong to misrepresent something as factual when it clearly is not. But that is not alignment indicative necessarily. He seems more like a townie than anything. If this is scum BC trying to get a Mislynch day one it has backfired spectacularly and would even more so when Mattchew flipped. It would be an extremely short sighted play. he's misrepresenting him intentionally, that's scummy | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
Same difference we're going to doubt your claim if you get caught visiting someone who died :/[/QUOTE] | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On September 04 2012 12:06 Z-BosoN wrote: Wait what? He's a one-liner semi-lurker who answers in riddles and you are ok with that and is defensive on him? Tell us why you think that not answering the godamn question straight-up of why he is so sure of the whole miller deal is pro-town? First, Cobbler is no longer a one-line semi-lurker. Second, new posts are popping up at a rather frantic pace, and I'm inclined to give people a bit of a chance to put forth their reads before pointing fingers over their first post. That was a big concern of mine when seeing the vote against Cobbler: he was voted for without being given any chance to further explain himself. That being said, his first post was not as transparent as I would have liked, and a lack of transparency certainly isn't "pro-town." However, I would like to ask that people give each other a bit more of a chance to explain themselves before voting. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Also, the discussion up to now is going nowhere. BC has made it a point to say that he knows something we don't, but won't clarify. If he did indeed learn something game changing as that, I presume Palmar would have announced it in this thread. So, he's directed the whole discussion at him, and has disappeared. This is all but productive.. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On September 04 2012 12:29 Z-BosoN wrote: It's not like it's the end of the deadline, we are still a long ways to go... plus, votes don't count in this thread. Also, the discussion up to now is going nowhere. BC has made it a point to say that he knows something we don't, but won't clarify. If he did indeed learn something game changing as that, I presume Palmar would have announced it in this thread. So, he's directed the whole discussion at him, and has disappeared. This is all but productive.. How I know was answered already in thread. -_- As for disappearing? I am not. I have said all I really can on that matter at this time. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Regarding the "Nosy Neighbor" claim, I just can't see mafia doing that. If the role isn't self-aware as you suggest, aren't you just shooting yourself in the foot from a mafia perspective? Because if no one else claims, you get auto-lynched. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On September 04 2012 12:35 Hapahauli wrote: @ BC Regarding the "Nosy Neighbor" claim, I just can't see mafia doing that. If the role isn't self-aware as you suggest, aren't you just shooting yourself in the foot from a mafia perspective? Because if no one else claims, you get auto-lynched. Not for sure. Some people will never claim publically until heat is on them simple. As for auto lynched? I am the only person who even made a comment on the claim, no one even thought to figure out if it was fake or not, it was accepted as fact and everyone near moved on till I pointed it out. That claim had no one touched if he visits someone lets him off the hook as no one second guessed or batted an eye at it later or prompted this argument later and his team claims once and hes off the hook for sure until he or his partner dies. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On September 04 2012 12:35 Hapahauli wrote: @ BC Regarding the "Nosy Neighbor" claim, I just can't see mafia doing that. If the role isn't self-aware as you suggest, aren't you just shooting yourself in the foot from a mafia perspective? Because if no one else claims, you get auto-lynched. Conversely what would a townie gain from lying about Being a Nosy Neighbour? This argument works both ways and thus has little value. If NN are not self aware it looks pretty bad for Mattchew. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 04 2012 12:47 DarthPunk wrote: Conversely what would a townie gain from lying about Being a Nosy Neighbour? This argument works both ways and thus has little value. If NN are not self aware it looks pretty bad for Mattchew. and vice-versa. Town is actually in a great spot now because there has been a major split and the fact that no one is backing BC up by now has made me feel suspicious. If we can confirm this objectively in a matter of time, I think quite a few scum will be getting the noose. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On September 02 2012 14:34 BroodKingEXE wrote: Nosy neighbor is standard miller(the neighbor doesn't know they are nosy)? Blues have to visit their target as well as Mafia, correct? Check out this post on page 8. It was never answered in thread and it has been edited. In addition, the set-up appears to have been tweaked: On September 03 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: Due to slight setup tweaks, mafia now has permanent 2kp. It will not change over the course of the game. Take note, however, that no member of the mafia can deliver more than 1 kp, so effectively the mafia will drop to 1kp when there is only one member left. (page 9, again it's been edited) Moral of the story is we don't know and BC needs to stop bullshitting us if he does in fact know something that the rest of us seem to have missed. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On his side its raw gutsyness, and as people have pointed out if it's a scum strat then it ends up with a D2 lynch on him, or even a N1 vig shot; it is unlikely that he would pull this off to kill a town Mattchew as I don't think anyone can wriggle out of the subsequent backlash lynch. A 1-1 on Mattchew is stupid, especially if it could end up him (BC) lynched first, which would make it a 1 for nothing. On Mattchew's side is the self-aware miller claim. If millers were self-aware, they would out themselves, and it would strengthen his claim. If they aren't self-aware as they usually aren't, he would be safe until someone flipped nosy neighbor, in which case his lie would be exposed and he lynched. In a big game like this, potentially worth it. Unlikely that both are town as it would mean a lying townie. Unlikely that both are scum cause it's so sub-optimal. I'd lynch Matt first on the basis that BC's demeanor seems more honest than Mattchew's. I mean, some guy is screaming his head off that you are a liar, and if you know that your role PM is "Nosy Neighbour" then the other guy (BC) must be an idiot or a liar. Mattchew isn't treating him like an idiot, nor is he treating him like a liar. The response is off (I base this off my experience fake claiming in Bureaucracy Mafia). If we get ... news of something otherwise, it's easy enough to switch. But even without it behavior analysis should be enough. Dunno why you haven't thought of voting him though BC. ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On September 04 2012 12:50 BlackMamba24 wrote: and vice-versa. Town is actually in a great spot now because there has been a major split and the fact that no one is backing BC up by now has made me feel suspicious. If we can confirm this objectively in a matter of time, I think quite a few scum will be getting the noose. Vice versa somewhat. I think it looks worse for Mattchew to be caught lying than for BC to have pushed for a lynch he obviously 100% believes in. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 04 2012 13:01 DarthPunk wrote: Vice versa somewhat. I think it looks worse for Mattchew to be caught lying than for BC to have pushed for a lynch he obviously 100% believes in. One of them is lying. I've come to suspect it's probably Mattchew but there's no grey area for either of them at this point. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I generally agree with everything that sloOsh said above. As far as I'm concerned, my vote will stay on him unless another nosy neighbor comes along and role-claims. | ||
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