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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 16:08 GMT
#2721
make that over 2 hours
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
September 22 2012 16:30 GMT
#2722
Fe fi fo fum.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:06 GMT
#2723
Hey, Grush, get the eff in here!
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#2724
On September 19 2012 20:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:34 imallinson wrote:
On September 19 2012 17:22 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay I am pretty sure that the scumteam is Imallinson and Darthpunk.




Why?

First off imallinson:

All the things I pointed out in the night are still valid. Seeing Hopeless' flip actually strengthens the suspicion that I had about Imallinson switching to look "good" after a Gravan mislynch. As Hopeless was town he simply did not anticipate him switching 3 minutes prior to deadline. Imallinson switched 6 minutes prior to deadline, as hopeless was not posting during the time, I say that it was a pretty safe bet to have "bussed" SnB without the need to flip him, with a consequential gravan mislynch. As we know now, Hopeless messed that up. Imallinsons defense:

On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote:
I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum.


is only valid if Hopeless would have been red. He flipped green and now it gets even more obvious that imallinsons voteswitch was not consequential if Hopeless had not hammered SnB last minute. Since the daypost imallinson has not been to the thread again, I say he is scum. Hopefully (troll)town is willing to go along with me on this vote.

##vote: Imallinson

If anything I'd say Hopeless being killed makes me look more town. Why, if I was scum, would I base my defence on someone who I know is going to die and who's dying makes me look really bad. I haven't been here since the day post due to trying to sleep/a bit of actually sleeping/waking up feeling like shit. If you look at my previous posting I've always either posted something quick if I had a strong read after the day post or nothing at all. As for the supposed bus of SnB it would make no sense from a scum perspective. Although I wouldn't know hopeless was around I knew Gravan was and if I was scum would have known he was town and would have switched his vote. As for who I think is scum I think Grush and BM look like a really obvious scum team. Your reason for for not thinking that is meta based and we've already had a terrible mislynch based on meta so I'm reluctant to go on that again. Both Grush and BM have been very anti town all game. You I see as definitely town because there is no reason for you to fake claim when you did. Darth is possibly scum but has generally played pro town so I'm much less sure about it than Grush or BM.
##Vote: Grush


Cool.

##unvote

##VOTE BILL MURRAY.

Also, DP, ... lol also
anyways, You "voted" me here. I say "voted", because you didn't actually place any vote in the voting thread to correspond with this one word post in the thread. Why?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:16 GMT
#2725
Grush, if you are a thermo-nuclear-device, such as a thermodetonator, and you were in the hands of bobafett on night 2
What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:42 GMT
#2726
On September 04 2012 07:48 Toadesstern wrote:
The meaning was that I think he's a town blue and I therefore want to kill him as quickly as possible.

Or perhaps I don't like people pointing out useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game. I guess it has but what are we supposed to talk about the 2KP change or the vig addition he mentioned.

check that bolded
cant believe i missed that
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:46 GMT
#2727
You all should go to page 12 and just read sloosh and toad in context, now that we know what's up
this is amazing
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:49 GMT
#2728
On September 04 2012 08:21 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 07:48 Toadesstern wrote:
The meaning was that I think he's a town blue and I therefore want to kill him as quickly as possible.

Or perhaps I don't like people pointing out useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game. I guess it has but what are we supposed to talk about the 2KP change or the vig addition he mentioned.

Why would you want to kill town blues?

thank god someone picked up on that lol
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:50 GMT
#2729
On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 08:24 Shady Sands wrote:
On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:
On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?


Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously.

I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia.

Could you clarify what you mean by this point?

Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew.
I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from


NONONOONONO
As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something.

as town always tell town?
weird wording here, grush
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:53 GMT
#2730
On September 04 2012 08:41 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 08:37 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.

Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case.


... so getting rid of a player (BM) is always a good thing even if he's town? What, is leaving him alive D1 a mafia win-condition or something?

There are players on TL that will be unreadable, comes lategame (via trolling). The idea is that getting rid of these vets creates a better chance for town lategame. I don't agree with such a policy, cause scum could be using it to try and lynch a vet.

I buy into this policy. I was kind of hoping to get nightkilled all game. Now I'm stuck having to read the entire thread in context... not that I'd have to... but it's better to read the story as a whole than filters. I'm sure there will be tons of parts I can just skip over, though, so it shouldn't be too bad.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 19:57 GMT
#2731
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.



this looks pretty damning to darthpunk
kind of funny.. mattchew is the alpha and omega to the fall of the scumteam?
him saying me and grush are both policy lynches... in his first post... where he slips?
perhaps he is planting a seed to snag me, but this looks reaaaallllyyy bad on you DP
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 20:01 GMT
#2732
On September 04 2012 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli


Am I missing something here or is this vote just ridiculous? I completely understand claiming nosy neighbour or miller day one, and encourage people with those roles to claim in order to stave off potential mislynches in the future. But immediatly voting someone who questions you seems overly defensive IMO.

Talking about retarded voting


Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 08:09 DoYouHas wrote:
Well, as per usual I like lynching lurkers day 1 if a scummier option doesn't present itself.

Blues should do as they see fit. Discussion in that area only gives scum more points of reference for blue hunting.

In the past L has assured me that this is always the correct course of action, sooo

##Vote: Bill Murray


This as your first post? I thought this was a joke and dismissed it whilst I was skimming through everything. except you then defend your vote so I need to take it seriously now. Which makes me sad.

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.



Yeah the vote was throw away and stupid regardless of what you maintain. If Bill Murray has some sort of meta in which he trolls and plays retarded that sucks for us, but a policy lynch day one also sucks for us. By throwing a policy vote on Bill Murray immediately and then getting into a protracted defense of this vote you essentially move into a situation in which you take no real position and push a potential mislynch which you would suffer zero consequences from. Seems like an ideal Position for scum to take.



anddddd here's where it gets sticks
this post, in a filter, looks scummy as shit

this post, in the context of the thread, looks protown as shit


what to do, what to do
...
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 22 2012 20:02 GMT
#2733
On September 23 2012 04:16 Bill Murray wrote:
Grush, if you are a thermo-nuclear-device, such as a thermodetonator, and you were in the hands of bobafett on night 2
What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

African or European?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 22 2012 20:03 GMT
#2734
On September 23 2012 04:57 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.



this looks pretty damning to darthpunk
kind of funny.. mattchew is the alpha and omega to the fall of the scumteam?
him saying me and grush are both policy lynches... in his first post... where he slips?
perhaps he is planting a seed to snag me, but this looks reaaaallllyyy bad on you DP


Doesn't that mean it is more likely for you to be scum?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 22 2012 20:04 GMT
#2735
Because a scum doesn't want to lynch you...
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 20:19 GMT
#2736
On September 04 2012 11:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.

Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye



Also given that you recognize the claim makes sense as a fakeclaim you should realize I wouldn't call someone out given my playstyle unless I knew I was right. As you note that it makes sense as a fakeclaim, a scum making said claim WHILE ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO CLAIM.


Seriously, are people this dumb? or have I been deluding myself for ever.

first all caps and rage of the game
u mad, bro?
lol
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 20:20 GMT
#2737
On September 23 2012 05:03 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 04:57 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.



this looks pretty damning to darthpunk
kind of funny.. mattchew is the alpha and omega to the fall of the scumteam?
him saying me and grush are both policy lynches... in his first post... where he slips?
perhaps he is planting a seed to snag me, but this looks reaaaallllyyy bad on you DP


Doesn't that mean it is more likely for you to be scum?

no, i mean that as "a seed to snag me by purposefully taking the fall as a goon [miller/nosyneighbor claim being on purpose]
however, idon't think he's THAT good
im pretty sure DP is scum... he was chainsaw defending mattchew around page 17, where im at in reading
i fully intend to read the entire thread today, or at least until it is time for me to do the work i was referencing
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 20:24 GMT
#2738
On September 04 2012 11:51 DarthPunk wrote:
It seems to me that the best play for a self aware nosy neighbour would be to claim immediately. Your whole Argument rests on the assumption that they are not self aware, which is something that is not clearly defined in the Rules. And yes the burdon of proof is on you as you are making the accusation. It is a fallacy to proclaim 'I am right unless you prove me wrong.'

defending mattchew hard
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 20:25 GMT
#2739
Grush -
On September 23 2012 05:04 grush57 wrote:
Because a scum doesn't want to lynch you...

no, read it again, and see where he called us policy lynches
he didnt vote you, either
he was being pressured by hapahauli and bc
but people doubted BC

I will show you why I'm obv town in a moment.
Read that post you said "wouldnt that mean you were scum?" about
See how it calls BOTH me AND YOU policy lynches?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 22 2012 20:28 GMT
#2740
On September 04 2012 11:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:53 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.

Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye


If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him.

Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_-


So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?"

Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title.

Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller.

So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here?



I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor.

This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so.


Let's do this the easy way:

Is the "Nosy Neighbor" self-aware? Does he receive his exact title in the role PM?


Can't ask questions in the thread buddy. It is in the OP.

so he KNEW this which meant he has been purposefully obtuse, and probably helped devise this plan, considering his defense of mattchew
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