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What do we know about the player we're picking for? Obviously not their alignment but do we know which player it is / which pokemon they are / what pokemon type they are? | ||
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Oh you're also pidgey. Deal with it. | ||
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I'm also still excited about thinking of a power for someone | ||
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Or at least, I hope so. Don't forget, guys, this is a mafia game! Don't limit yourselves to pokemon moves and KP stuff, be more creative on the mafia side too! I actually hope the four-move one-use joat type abilities are pretty rare, because I think moves that have more influence on the mafia game would be more fun. | ||
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On August 15 2012 01:10 deconduo wrote: Yeah that's fine, just give him a quick rundown of how the setup works I failed he says he's too busy. Who else can we pressure to join... | ||
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On August 17 2012 15:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say grush is gonna lurk and troll. if this game has anything like the number of dayvigs that ptp2 seemed to have when I skimmed it, a policy shot at him doesn't seem too unlikely. | ||
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So Day 1 starting at 10PM Irish time? (I think that means midnight euro time, right?) | ||
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On August 20 2012 06:01 Toadesstern wrote: Come on, I bet everyone did as much legwork as I did. I even included *put welcome phrase / alignment here* and *here be generic poke-fluff* in the pm and not just the role! That's pretty specific instructions. Shouldn't be to hard to come up with something like that. Just kidding btw :p I put flavor in my pm! ppl who didn't are probably lame. | ||
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Scum, prepare to get decapitated by the mighty frisbee of our town scum-hunting prowess. | ||
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On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote: Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? | ||
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On August 20 2012 07:58 Drazerk wrote: Hence why tracking as much as possible is important Yeah so I'm pretty sure this doesn't make sense from a town point of view. The majority of kp roles (independent from scum factional KP) are likely to be town. And you're trying to justify tracking "kp roles". | ||
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That.... that really doesn't work..... And one last thing before bed: I don't see anything about it in the OP, so how does scum KP work? | ||
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Also you're not trying to track kp you're trying to track kp roles. Your trick wouldn't catch scum factional kp. night! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [some of my favorites[/spoiler] + On August 20 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote: Im assuming wherebugsgo can only be a bug-type, so lets list off gen 1 bug types: 010 Caterpie Bug 011 Metapod Bug 012 Butterfree Bug Flying 013 Weedle Bug Poison 014 Kakuna Bug Poison 015 Beedrill Bug Poison 046 Paras Bug Grass 047 Parasect Bug Grass 048 Venonat Bug Poison 049 Venomoth Bug Poison 123 Scyther Bug Flying Now the real question is where bug types go, pokealliance or team rocket. If my memory serves me right, team rocket never used any of these bug type pokemon in the show. Therefore, wherebugsgo is telling the truth. Flawless logic. hahaha On August 20 2012 09:02 grush57 wrote: See look at wiggles, he asks me a legit question. Plus, he continues my tradition To answer the question, breadcrumb, and meta. Plus I'm town. Now, we must find scum. I must stop posting so scum can start posting and then we catch them. Cool trick. Is grush really dumb enough to only breadcrumb that he's town when he actually is town? Only time will tell. PS: The word "starsenses" is his breadcrumb that he's town. For example see Mad Men mafia (I think). It really is that dumb. On August 20 2012 09:20 grush57 wrote: Come on man u come up with this new fancy term and theory and then u disprove it in the same post. User was temp banned for this post. hahahaha On August 20 2012 13:51 Chezinu wrote: Your right... Look what I discovered: They joined the game at the exact same time. The must be hahahahah. Chezinu I'm glad you're in this game, I really enjoyed obsing you in Bureaucracy and hope for more of the same this time. Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from Drazerk On August 20 2012 09:09 Drazerk wrote: The key to winning on either side is thread presence This will never ever ever change. lolwut On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: I never defend myself You should know this by now that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. On August 20 2012 09:08 Drazerk wrote: I do love how 4/25 people enter the thread in the EXACT same way Analysing how people join the thread is probably the most interesting part of the game Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk | ||
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But if this doesn't ring true to anyone else, I'll set it aside until there's more evidence to go on. Last time I played a crazy game with Drazerk, he was town but I thought he was scum and got sucked into tunneling him for most of the game, so I'm going to try to avoid that this time. | ||
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Toad, do you think drazerk is scum? VisceraEyes what do you think about BC and Kurumi? | ||
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On August 21 2012 05:19 Chezinu wrote: Yay town is alive! or is it mafia? Let's talk about the normal stuff that I love ignoring and not talking about. Such as: Should we all role claim our pokemon names? Or mass claim abilities? Or discuss who has post restrictions.. or who has the abilities to be a pokedex or whatever the pokemon identifying device is called... or who has a third party objective just to survive and has to kill a certain pokemon... or maybe has to a pokemon that way imba like mewtwo that can pm people and read people's darkest secrets...Guys where are yous? Where is the typical dicussions that I can try to troll-jack to find them rocket peoples? Where Ares you? no, no, if anyone wants to fakeclaim a posting restriction then they should feel free to do so, no, sure but it won't help, and mewtwo is the serial killer. This isn't very helpful atm. Soooo Chezinu, let's play a thought experiment. If you were scum with a day vig, what would you do with it? | ||
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Since when is "chezinu not reading the thread" a scum tell for him? | ||
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On August 21 2012 05:51 Chezinu wrote: Oh so you are mewtwo!! Awesome sk!!! ok mister "sk" if I was "mafia" I would kill someone I don't really know cause I can't read them immediately most likely... So I would kill someone Not Chezinu..ok! its in the daypost and also the op i think that's why people are making fun of you for not reading the thread | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:10 Toadesstern wrote: hey s&b: Do you think Kurumi is trying to fish reaction or is he trying to taunt me into hypnotoad-mode so that I shit up the thread with his most recent bullshit? either reaction fishing or trying to look like it, i think if he were trying to goad you he would've posted some kind of terrible case you could rant at instead of just ninja voting. Doesn't mean it's town though. Still a ninja vote. | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Grush has never been interested in playing a game of Mafia that I've ever played in with him. I want him out of my town. ##Vote: grush ............................................... are you serious right now? you'd rather policy lynch grush? you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game and you want to policy lynch grush?????? are you serious right now? scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim | ||
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just think you're scummy as fuck for it | ||
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what do you think about them mementoss? | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. I understand that you don't like my case against drazerk. That's fine, people can disagree about reads and interpretations. Boiled down to its most basic level, my case is as follows:
So I can understand you not liking my case or calling it "inflated bullshit." What I was trying to say is that there's a scum motivation for Drazerk's actions but no town motivation, and that's not wifom, but it's a buzzword that gets thrown around a lot and I guess I could maybe understand you just dropping it in as a generic descriptor of any case that you don't like . But why do you say it "consists mostly of setup speculation"? I don't see how that's true at all, and it seems like a pretty blithe distortion of the situation. Setup speculation has actually nothing to do with the case on Drazerk. Oh and I just saw this little gem while I was reading the thread: On August 21 2012 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Something feels off about this game. Why aren't more people jumping my shit for the policy lynch talk? I admit - it's a GREAT idea. But like...I expected fully to be insta-voted by at least 4 people. Wiggles, where do you stand on a grush lynch? You put forth what I feel is a decent D1 case on the guy and do NOT punctuate it with a vote. And then accuse BC of...what, making generalized blanket statements designed to "appear pro-town", while you devolve into feeding the trolls? I am disappoint, son. "Hey guys! You're not paying all that much attention yet to this anti-town thing I did so it's a good time for me to bring up that I know it's anti-town and I was fishing for reactions! Oh but also I still support the anti-town thing but it's actually pro-town now, so don't go accusing me of changing my position!" ##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: VE vote is a tool man | ||
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Drazerk (2) Chezinu Kenpachi Chezinu (1) Drazerk Toad (1) Kurumi Grush (1) VE Mattchew (2) Mementoss Kita Imallinson (5) WBG bumatlarge hiropro jinglehell hopless1der VE (2) Wiggles Strongandbig imallinson currently is set to be lynched if this is plurality lynch. If this is extended majority lynch then 25 players alive means 13 is required for majority. There are currently 14 votes meaning that 11 players haven't voted yet. Deadline is in 13 hours unless I'm confused about time zones. | ||
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As it stands I'm going to leave my vote on VE though, since I think he's probably a stronger lynch. New mafia are easier to bus imo (psychologically), so votes on allinson don't tell us as much as I would think VE would. More importantly, having a scum VE alive is more dangerous than having a scum allinson alive. I feel about equal on their chances of flipping scum - this VE versus dirkzor poopfeast isn't doing much to make me feel town about either of them. VE - could you give us a bullet-point-list of some sort on why you think dirkzor is scum? Dirkzor - I'd really like you to comment on a case that isn't about you. What about Drazerk or imallinson? Do you think either of them is scum? | ||
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On August 21 2012 21:10 imallinson wrote: Or you could, you know, actually say something to dissuade me from this. But "lol k" is definitely making me think twice about my accusation. but it's just so terrible! Your 'case' on me is that you don't like my cases. So first off, your characterization of my cases is wrong, but that aside, why does making cases you don't like mean I'm scum? | ||
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It's terrible play as scum or town though. Like I said above, I don't really see anything to make me think dirkzor is town but he doesn't seem as scummy to me as VE's whole "policy lynch grush" thing or Drazerk's "let's find the KP roles" thing. | ||
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because you continue to push the policy lynch even though grush is banned isn't here to show whether he is willing to change his behavior, leading me to conclude the "lynch" is more important to you than the "policy" because you mischaracterized my drazerk case in a pretty weird way that indicated you hadn't really read it, then backpedaled when called out on it because of the other avoiding-commitment and backpedaling-ish and avoiding-scumhunting posts you made while you were pushing the grush lynch (ie, the one where you're surprised that no one was insta-voting you because of the policy lynch but then you still support the policy lynch despite expecting people to insta-vote you for it; the one where you say you'll consider other people's cases but only if your grush policy lynch doesn't work out) | ||
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(if a vig shot is available then using that on a policy question is better for town than using the lynch, because you can't really do behavioral analysis on the votes on a policy lynch) | ||
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On August 21 2012 22:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so I'm wasting my time here. Neat. Next time I have an unconventional problem I'll come up with a more conventional means of handling it. Lesson learned. You guys enjoy the rest of the game! For the record, I didn't do my pokemon justice - I wasn't feeling very creative when I made it and was depending on the rest of you guys to come up with the good stuff. Judging from my role, you didn't disappoint. what the crap is this man... Are you saying you're ragequitting like bugs did last game? Or are you claiming your role has some kind of restriction or condition that makes you die somehow, like drazerk did in holy roman mafia? seriously, what's with this post? | ||
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On August 21 2012 23:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It was me giving up trying to discuss anything with you because your mind is made up. Now I have to flip before you'll shut up about it, and I'm saying that I'm aware of that and concede that nothing I can say is going to convince you otherwise. So good job Big. You caught a townie. Hopefully your aim improves if you're town. MMkay as long as you're not ragequitting the whole game. So VE you're still on my "maybe scum" list but I want to go for a lynch that will hit scum this time around, and I'm starting to feel better about imallinson. A few things: On August 21 2012 22:19 imallinson wrote: The other thing I noticed about what Dirk said about my previous games is that he seems to agree fairly strongly with my being scum, even adding his own argument against me (the meta stuff) but doesn't actually back it up with a vote. This looks a lot like someone trying to push the vote onto an easy target but not actually committing to it himself. Essentially parroting VE in his argument with dirkzor. + Show Spoiler [an aside] + IMO the argument that "you thought someone was scum but didn't vote for them yet" is pretty terrible. The threshold for voting changes as you get closer to deadline, and it's also tactical, and it's also pressure. Just because you find someone convincing doesn't mean they're scum. On August 21 2012 23:55 imallinson wrote: I know my case against SaB isn't great and at this point I think I'm just going to drop it. At the moment I'm trying to figure Dirk out because I'm still not convinced that it was an honest mistake and in general he is acting quite scummy. As for hopelessder I agree that the ninja vote is suspicious but until he actually is here and can defend it nothing can be done to further that cause. I don't like this one bit, the bolded part. On August 22 2012 00:47 imallinson wrote: Well I have to go out and I'm not sure if I will be back before the deadline. I've tried to defend myself as best as I can. As for who I think is scum, I'd go for either Dirk or hopeless just from bad/weird posting that strikes me as scummy (Dirk for wagons and I'm still not convinced of his mistake. Hopeless because of the ninja voting and not providing a good reason for it). Out of the two I still think Dirk is the more suspicious and vote for him. ##Vote: Dirkzor "defend myself as best I can" = like one sentence, then making a case on me, then jumping in on VE's argument with dirkzor. okay. ##unvote: VE ##vote: imallinson | ||
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On August 22 2012 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: So do you disagree with my case on Zeph SnB? Because you haven't even mentioned it as existing, in spite of your read of me lightening. I've posted it twice to try and get our fucking attention with it, and you still haven't even acknowledged it. i only have like one minute before i have to leave to catch the bus i agree that his medic claim was retarded and i like that you brought it up the fact that he stuck with it later seems to indicate it wasn't just doing shit for the sake of doing it but I'm not sure why you conclude he's scum and not trying to draw nk's idk, i could see him being scum but i'd rather lynch imallinson or drazerk i was just thinking about drazerk, he's said in this game "don't claim type" and then claimed type, and he's said 'i always justify my actions" but iirc he hasn't justified claiming type yet. | ||
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On August 22 2012 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Although for the sake of argument...how many times uave you seen me push a policy lynch? thats not the way you draw and waste scum bullets thats the way you draw and waste town bullets | ||
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On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote: If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. i've seen mattchew play a very passive scum game in the apst as well. | ||
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like, idk, with chezinu I get the impression he does it on purpose to troll everyone with drazerk i get the impression he just does it out of some kind of themed-mafia-game tourette's syndrome, just for the sake of doing stuff but i cant tell with kurumi | ||
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trying to think of something worthwhile i can talk to you about looking through your filter it appears that you've posted one-line accusations against: - Drazerk - Toad - VE - WBG - imallinson Do you still think all of those people are scum? If so, great we've found the scum team! If not, which ones have you changed your mind on and why? | ||
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Didn't you just make yourself vulnerable to the VT laser though? I think you are both high scum likelihood and also terrible so I for one would argue that if the person with the VT laser is town, they should use it on you. Actually let's talk about the "terrible" part. You consistently say that you need to be vigged before lylo because you're not willing to play in a way that establishes your innocence and helps town. Why should you not be vigged tonight instead of later in the game? What do you bring to town that's helpful now but not helpful later? Also I want to mention that this is by far the most constructive play I've seen out of grush. It's like he's actually engaging with the thread or something, I like it! | ||
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- First, his filter is tiny. I would expect a semi-vet to be more involved. (I use semi-vet as a catchall for anyone more experienced than me, idk if wiggles actually counts as a veteran in the toad/ve/BC sense.) On August 20 2012 10:11 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Too bad he's banned. I always hate when people throw around the word "confirmed". I think I'm going to promote policy lynches on those people in the future. Also, I don't think we should reveal too much at this point in the game. Even something as simple as trying to tell someone your pokemon type can be disastrous. Say someone can do 0.5 KP in damage, but they're a fire type and know you're a grass type. Now they can just kill you if they want, instead of only damage you, because it will be super-effective. So, I'm going to say that if you're smart, it's a god idea to not breadcrumb things about your role/pokemon/type. First, it does nothing to support your claim later, and second, it can give scum an advantage against you. This isn't to say don't crumb things like checks, just things related to flavour or role abilities, because it will only hurt. It doesn't help in normal games, and with these mechanics, it will cause harm. Wiggles posted a lot during the early speculation phase. He seemed especially focused on the whole "entering the thread by claiming you're town" question. But he never really came back to it later on, or explained why it was important to the thread or how it helped find scum. But here's what I re-e-eally don't like. On August 21 2012 16:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: ##Vote: VE I'm putting my vote on you until you can show me you care about killing scum or I find a better lynch target. @Draz: If you could single-handedly choose the lynch right now (choose a player to kill), who would it be, and why? Please give me your reasoning for who you chose. Wiggles expressly put his vote on VE as a pressure vote. He said his vote would be on VE until VE started scumhunting or until a better target showed up. Now, I also thought VE was scum. I still think he might be scum. But the thing is, he actually started scumhunting later on in the thread. Whether or not you think it was genuine scumhunting is the important question to figure out VE's alignment. But that's not the point Wiggles was making. He never posted again about VE's scumhunting attempts, or about the other potential lynch targets. Moreover, we know he was in the thread at least twice after that - after the Meowth shot, arguing that the shooter should claim it, and an hour or two after that to push his question at Drazerk. However, he leaves his vote on VE, without any comments about the change in VE's behavior or about the two main lynch candidates we had - who I would argue were, at that point, both "better lynch targets" in that they actually both had a chance to be lynched. If wiggles thought either of them was more townie than the other, his responsibility as a townie would have been to tell us and use his vote on the scummier one. Keeping his vote on VE without explaining it in the context of VE's later actions, and not commenting on the actual lynch candidates even though he was actually in the thread posting, makes me think Wiggles may be scum. | ||
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On August 22 2012 20:56 Toadesstern wrote: The creator of a role is not allowed to talk about it until the role has flipped according to a mod-statement. Are you trying to get someone mod-killed? Why is it a role scum likely has? There has been a lot of talk about Meowth so far. Just picture him being some crazy shit like dayvig + bulletproof. Noone in their right mind would claim something like that because it would help mafia. Besides: I shot our lovely hosts a PM and I'm totally not going to talk about what a host told me or publish a host-pm but I guess asking the right question might shed some light on some things like: a) Meowth b) VE That being said. I like both VE and Meowth right now, which may sound quite strange but I doubt any of those two is actually mafia although one shot the other. I interpreted that as "you can talk about the role you made once any role has flipped" not "you can only talk about the role you made after that specific role has flipped" | ||
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I don't see much to convince me you're town but I also don't see anything that makes me want to lynch you straight off, as opposed to (for example) wiggles or drazerk. also of note: it's interesting that every post you've made of more than one line has been a response to VE. Do you still think Dirkzor is scum? | ||
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On August 23 2012 01:58 HiroPro wrote: It's not the fact that Meowth didn't claim their role - it's the fact that they didn't claim the shot. It shows that they likely don't want to take responsibility for it. Even the role you suggested would have no problem announcing that they fired a shot. Its not like that would force them to claim their full role. Now if they thought like Drazerk did, then maybe I could see why they wouldn't claim shooting. drazerk's thing doesn't hit you if you claim the role you received, it hits you if you claim the role you created. | ||
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so wait the hosts let you make a role that instantly de-role-ify anyone who roleclaims? I... don't think that's true. | ||
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On August 23 2012 04:11 Kenpachi wrote: Butterfly Kenpachi your filter is great man | ||
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On August 23 2012 04:59 Kurumi wrote: And make a vet dt die by an accident . Thats stupid. I am not using my role ever this is like the dumbest post i've ever seen | ||
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On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote: Man, this thread is hilarious! A great way to start the morning! + Show Spoiler [some of my favorites[/spoiler] + On August 20 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote: Im assuming wherebugsgo can only be a bug-type, so lets list off gen 1 bug types: 010 Caterpie Bug 011 Metapod Bug 012 Butterfree Bug Flying 013 Weedle Bug Poison 014 Kakuna Bug Poison 015 Beedrill Bug Poison 046 Paras Bug Grass 047 Parasect Bug Grass 048 Venonat Bug Poison 049 Venomoth Bug Poison 123 Scyther Bug Flying Now the real question is where bug types go, pokealliance or team rocket. If my memory serves me right, team rocket never used any of these bug type pokemon in the show. Therefore, wherebugsgo is telling the truth. Flawless logic. hahaha On August 20 2012 09:02 grush57 wrote: See look at wiggles, he asks me a legit question. Plus, he continues my tradition To answer the question, breadcrumb, and meta. Plus I'm town. Now, we must find scum. I must stop posting so scum can start posting and then we catch them. Cool trick. Is grush really dumb enough to only breadcrumb that he's town when he actually is town? Only time will tell. PS: The word "starsenses" is his breadcrumb that he's town. For example see Mad Men mafia (I think). It really is that dumb. On August 20 2012 09:20 grush57 wrote: Come on man u come up with this new fancy term and theory and then u disprove it in the same post. User was temp banned for this post. hahahaha On August 20 2012 13:51 Chezinu wrote: Your right... Look what I discovered: They joined the game at the exact same time. The must be hahahahah. Chezinu I'm glad you're in this game, I really enjoyed obsing you in Bureaucracy and hope for more of the same this time. Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from Drazerk lolwut that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk QFT. Motherfuckers. I'm especially proud of the solarbeam analysis, but everything in here turned out 100% right and yet drazerk still somehow lived till a million years after I vig shot him and claimed it and then killed myself. wtf town derpherpalerp. | ||
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