PTP3 - Pikachu's Revenge

On August 15 2012 01:10 deconduo wrote:


Yeah that's fine, just give him a quick rundown of how the setup works

On August 17 2012 15:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say grush is gonna lurk and troll.

On August 20 2012 06:01 Toadesstern wrote:


Come on, I bet everyone did as much legwork as I did. I even included *put welcome phrase / alignment here* and *here be generic poke-fluff* in the pm and not just the role!
That's pretty specific instructions. Shouldn't be to hard to come up with something like that.

Just kidding btw :p

On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:


Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing

On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:


Track the damage track the scum

On August 20 2012 07:58 Drazerk wrote:


Hence why tracking as much as possible is important

On August 20 2012 09:09 Drazerk wrote:


The key to winning on either side is thread presence

This will never ever ever change.

On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:


I never defend myself

You should know this by now

On August 20 2012 09:08 Drazerk wrote:
I do love how 4/25 people enter the thread in the EXACT same way

Analysing how people join the thread is probably the most interesting part of the game

On August 21 2012 05:19 Chezinu wrote:
Yay town is alive! or is it mafia?

Let's talk about the normal stuff that I love ignoring and not talking about.

Such as: Should we all role claim our pokemon names? Or mass claim abilities? Or discuss who has post restrictions.. or who has the abilities to be a pokedex or whatever the pokemon identifying device is called... or who has a third party objective just to survive and has to kill a certain pokemon... or maybe has to a pokemon that way imba like mewtwo that can pm people and read people's darkest secrets...Guys where are yous? Where is the typical dicussions that I can try to troll-jack to find them rocket peoples? Where Ares you?

On August 21 2012 05:51 Chezinu wrote:

Oh so you are mewtwo!! Awesome sk!!! ok mister "sk" if I was "mafia" I would kill someone I don't really know cause I can't read them immediately most likely... So I would kill someone Not Chezinu..ok!

On August 21 2012 06:10 Toadesstern wrote:
hey s&b:
Do you think Kurumi is trying to fish reaction or is he trying to taunt me into hypnotoad-mode so that I shit up the thread with his most recent bullshit?

On August 21 2012 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Grush has never been interested in playing a game of Mafia that I've ever played in with him. I want him out of my town.

##Vote: grush

On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:


Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad.

The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC.

I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards.

On August 21 2012 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Something feels off about this game.

Why aren't more people jumping my shit for the policy lynch talk? I admit - it's a GREAT idea. But like...I expected fully to be insta-voted by at least 4 people.

Wiggles, where do you stand on a grush lynch? You put forth what I feel is a decent D1 case on the guy and do NOT punctuate it with a vote. And then accuse BC of...what, making generalized blanket statements designed to "appear pro-town", while you devolve into feeding the trolls? I am disappoint, son.

On August 21 2012 21:10 imallinson wrote:

Or you could, you know, actually say something to dissuade me from this. But "lol k" is definitely making me think twice about my accusation.

On August 21 2012 22:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I'm wasting my time here. Neat.

Next time I have an unconventional problem I'll come up with a more conventional means of handling it. Lesson learned.

You guys enjoy the rest of the game! For the record, I didn't do my pokemon justice - I wasn't feeling very creative when I made it and was depending on the rest of you guys to come up with the good stuff. Judging from my role, you didn't disappoint.

On August 21 2012 23:53 VisceraEyes wrote:


It was me giving up trying to discuss anything with you because your mind is made up. Now I have to flip before you'll shut up about it, and I'm saying that I'm aware of that and concede that nothing I can say is going to convince you otherwise. So good job Big. You caught a townie. Hopefully your aim improves if you're town.

On August 21 2012 22:19 imallinson wrote:
The other thing I noticed about what Dirk said about my previous games is that he seems to agree fairly strongly with my being scum, even adding his own argument against me (the meta stuff) but doesn't actually back it up with a vote. This looks a lot like someone trying to push the vote onto an easy target but not actually committing to it himself.

On August 21 2012 23:55 imallinson wrote:
I know my case against SaB isn't great and at this point I think I'm just going to drop it. At the moment I'm trying to figure Dirk out because I'm still not convinced that it was an honest mistake and in general he is acting quite scummy. As for hopelessder I agree that the ninja vote is suspicious but until he actually is here and can defend it nothing can be done to further that cause.

On August 22 2012 00:47 imallinson wrote:
Well I have to go out and I'm not sure if I will be back before the deadline. I've tried to defend myself as best as I can. As for who I think is scum, I'd go for either Dirk or hopeless just from bad/weird posting that strikes me as scummy (Dirk for wagons and I'm still not convinced of his mistake. Hopeless because of the ninja voting and not providing a good reason for it). Out of the two I still think Dirk is the more suspicious and vote for him.

##Vote: Dirkzor

On August 22 2012 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
So do you disagree with my case on Zeph SnB? Because you haven't even mentioned it as existing, in spite of your read of me lightening. I've posted it twice to try and get our fucking attention with it, and you still haven't even acknowledged it.

On August 22 2012 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote:

Although for the sake of argument...how many times uave you seen me push a policy lynch?

On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive.

On August 20 2012 10:11 Mr. Wiggles wrote:



Too bad he's banned. I always hate when people throw around the word "confirmed". I think I'm going to promote policy lynches on those people in the future.

Also, I don't think we should reveal too much at this point in the game. Even something as simple as trying to tell someone your pokemon type can be disastrous. Say someone can do 0.5 KP in damage, but they're a fire type and know you're a grass type. Now they can just kill you if they want, instead of only damage you, because it will be super-effective.

So, I'm going to say that if you're smart, it's a god idea to not breadcrumb things about your role/pokemon/type. First, it does nothing to support your claim later, and second, it can give scum an advantage against you. This isn't to say don't crumb things like checks, just things related to flavour or role abilities, because it will only hurt. It doesn't help in normal games, and with these mechanics, it will cause harm.

On August 21 2012 16:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


##Vote: VE

I'm putting my vote on you until you can show me you care about killing scum or I find a better lynch target.

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@Draz: If you could single-handedly choose the lynch right now (choose a player to kill), who would it be, and why? Please give me your reasoning for who you chose.

On August 22 2012 20:56 Toadesstern wrote:

The creator of a role is not allowed to talk about it until the role has flipped according to a mod-statement. Are you trying to get someone mod-killed?
Why is it a role scum likely has? There has been a lot of talk about Meowth so far. Just picture him being some crazy shit like dayvig + bulletproof. Noone in their right mind would claim something like that because it would help mafia.

Besides: I shot our lovely hosts a PM and I'm totally not going to talk about what a host told me or publish a host-pm but I guess asking the right question might shed some light on some things like:
a) Meowth
b) VE
That being said. I like both VE and Meowth right now, which may sound quite strange but I doubt any of those two is actually mafia although one shot the other.

On August 23 2012 01:58 HiroPro wrote:


It's not the fact that Meowth didn't claim their role - it's the fact that they didn't claim the shot. It shows that they likely don't want to take responsibility for it.

Even the role you suggested would have no problem announcing that they fired a shot. Its not like that would force them to claim their full role.

Now if they thought like Drazerk did, then maybe I could see why they wouldn't claim shooting.

On August 23 2012 02:29 Drazerk wrote:


Yes it does sorry if that wasn't clear

On August 23 2012 04:11 Kenpachi wrote:
Butterfly

On August 23 2012 04:59 Kurumi wrote:

And make a vet dt die by an accident . Thats stupid. I am not using my role ever

On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote:
Man, this thread is hilarious! A great way to start the morning!

+ Show Spoiler [some of my favorites[/spoiler] +

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Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum.

Two reasons, with subpoints:

(1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff.

(1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on.

(1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this.

(1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol.

Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from Drazerk


lolwut


that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me.


Okay then let's do that!

(2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam.

(2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy.

(2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo.

There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative."

Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk