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On August 20 2012 07:43 Kurumi wrote: ##vote drazerk From voting thread btw | ||
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On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Hi all. I am town. Cheers Im assuming wherebugsgo can only be a bug-type, so lets list off gen 1 bug types: 010 Caterpie Bug 011 Metapod Bug 012 Butterfree Bug Flying 013 Weedle Bug Poison 014 Kakuna Bug Poison 015 Beedrill Bug Poison 046 Paras Bug Grass 047 Parasect Bug Grass 048 Venonat Bug Poison 049 Venomoth Bug Poison 123 Scyther Bug Flying Now the real question is where bug types go, pokealliance or team rocket. If my memory serves me right, team rocket never used any of these bug type pokemon in the show. Therefore, wherebugsgo is telling the truth. Flawless logic. | ||
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On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"? Also I am a medic. Go figure. This is the worst role claim since VE every game I've played with him. | ||
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On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote: Also to go one step further I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it What are you trying to accomplish with this statement, in regards to finding scum or helping the pokealliance win? | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually down with policy-lynching grush. This is 100% super serious. I would be down with this. But he's banned. So he can't even defend himself.' | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:39 heist wrote: Why are you looking for vanilla townies? I wouldn't use it on you even if I did. And I certainly wouldn't want to kill grush right now. - 3 people so far on the 'Kill Grush' list: jingle hell, VE, mementoss Tell me why? Reasons so far: 1. meta 2. troll reason 3. I agree 4. I agree too. - 2 people so far on the 'Kill Me' list: dirk, Kurumi. Dirk still suicidal? I'm not down with it, I said I would be if he wasn't banned. Don't wanna kill him when he can't even talk as that won't bring out any interesting discussion. Im assuming you have never played a game with grush before, because late game with him is a nightmare. Also he was spamming up the thread to the point where it was unreadable, but I guess that was the trend. I never understood people as town asking people to kill them or voting for themselves, the only logical reason to get town to kill you would be role related. Otherwise it's just something people say so people feel bad or something and stop discussing the person? I don't know. | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote: ............................................... are you serious right now? you'd rather policy lynch grush? you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game and you want to policy lynch grush?????? are you serious right now? scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim Wat. Where? I haven't seen anything that could be classified as "actual discussion" of scum candidates. Also scum claim is almost as thrown around of a term as meta. Both useless | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:20 strongandbig wrote: well i think drazerk is scum and toad thinks kurumi is scum. what do you think about them mementoss? I think they are both town playing in a questionable way (see: Bad), in some sort of trollish form, that they think is going to provoke reactions and discussions from players, in turn they will try to analyse from there. But by playing in this way, they just look like scum, and lose a lot of town credibility. I'll quote both cases in question for the people who didn't read the thread / forgot. Drazerk: + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote: Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from Drazerk lolwut that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk The case sure points out a lot of questionable quotes, and shows his spam, but it doesn't really seem like mafia motivation to me. First post of the game, fake ability, is this really worth it for scum? To reveal themselves so obviously, to pull out one blue role, in a game where everyone has some sort of power? It just doesn't make much sense to me. He is all over the place, but I have never played with him, by the way people are talking about him, he just seems like an impulsive player. I could be wrong, and worse comes to worse hes a decent candidate, I don't think its worth tunnelling him however. Kurumi: + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote: Thoughts on blasting Kurumi instead? Check out the following conversation for a sec: 1) Is basicly the reason why I kept saying I want to hurt Drazerk with a pointy stick. He kept on posting for the sake of posting. Fine we're still on day-1 but he's overdoing it a lot. If what he's doing is acceptable as contribution than mafia will have an easy time blending in doing bullshit posts like his. I consider this post Kurumi did to be incredible hypocrytical btw. 2) Is Drazerk acknowledging the fact that he / they're both posting for the sake of posting, which is weird to say the least, but that's besides the point right now. 3) is the really important one. Kurumi states "I just like posting.". That's incredible defensive. I would understand this if someone else were to accuse him like "dude, you're totally posting for the sake of posting and nothing else, that's scummy!" but there was no such thing. Drazerk got in the thread acknowledging that both Kurumi and he HIMSELF did that. If that was suppossed to be criticism Drazerk criticised himself with that post as well, which I consider to be pretty unlikely so to me it just read as some random bullshit. To Kurumi however it apparently reads as sincere attack and he felt the need to explaining his actions. Why so defensive Kurumi? Same thing. It seems like just spamming and just looking for a reaction. I mean, why as scum would you play so carelessly. He could be trying to just derail the whole thread. Why would he connect himself to another player who had huge thread presence at the time and was also under heat as scum? I personally think neither are scum, but both are bad town. Overall, there is a possibility they are scum, so voting them isn't horrible because they are just shitting up the thread, but I don't think they are. I think our scum is lurking in the shadows. On that note: ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote: I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? | ||
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On August 21 2012 10:58 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: imallinson Ninja voting like a boss. Reminds me of Bill Murray in LIII. | ||
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On August 21 2012 11:22 Mementoss wrote: Ninja voting like a boss. Reminds me of Bill Murray in LIII. The fact that this post was buried and no one cares about it bothers me. It's been 12 hours since the vote almost with no word about why. No word from him at all. I will be back in a few hours to read up on new discussion and answer hiro. | ||
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I agree that the case wbg put together on allinson was correct, in that he acknowledged he was being useless and in fact did not care. Allinson continues to not be helpful, his case vs S&B looks to me to be a case that he put together, for the sake of putting a case together. Not to find scum. It sums up like this, S&B has a bad case so he is a good scum candidate. Not only this, but now he is shitting up the thread with a lot of very defensive posts, none of which change the fact that he is posting without any intent of finding scum. While this is happening he is trying to throw the heat from himself onto a fairly easy target, Dirkzor, then convienently as this is happening BC comes in with a case against Dirkzor to try to give this shift some speed. It seems like the couple are communicating in scum chat, no? I wouldn't mind hearing others opinions on this, for now I am just gunna keep an eye on it and challenge allinson to post something useful towards catching scum, or at least that can generate discussion that will help to find scum. Mattchew still hasn't been around and said anything that makes me want to change my vote as of now. My next highest target would be hopelessder just for the fact he ninja voted, and everytime I try to tell people that, the thread gets shittered up for the fact of burying it, and it doesn't get acknowledged. THERE IS ZERO TOWN MOTIVATION TO VOTE WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. It might seem like too obvious of a mistake to make as scum, but I think that is bullshit. I think scum is perfectly happy at how spammy the thread is and wanted to sneak by without bringing any attention to themselves. As for VE, I think VE is just being VE. (not in a good way that is) If he gets anywhere close to more than a couple votes, he will go into defensive rage mode, claim his role, derail the thread so hard and it will be the easiest mislynch scum could ever push from that situation. He could be scum but I don't think the evidence against him right now is the greatest. I would wait it out to analyse more posts of him and his actions in lynching situations. Just my 2 cents on whats going on right now. TLDR; Hopelessder still ninja voted nobody cares. | ||
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Pay Day does damage, and scatters coins on the ground with a value equal to twice the user's level for each time it's used. These coins are picked up afterwards if the player wins the battle. I'm assuming whoever used pay day on VE doesn't want people to know, because after VE dies later in the game, the player who used payday on him will receive something. | ||
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On August 22 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote: mementoss what's your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson? Drazerk - commented more in detail before but troll bad town for now Dirkzor - the only thing suspicious about him seems to be his mess up in meta to try and make imallinson look worse than he is. I think this could be an honest mistake however. Most people voting for Dirkzor are people I don't trust, makes me uneasy. imallinson - will probably be where I'm placing my vote. I commented on it a bit before but will re-iterate. His initial posts were made to look like he contributed and actually tried drag day 1 discussion backwards. He did nothing for scum hunting and when criticized on this fact made a half ass case on SnB just to say he did. Spent most of the time defending himself which shittered up the thread and buried useful posts that were scum hunting at the time, it looks really bad in context. Also in the defence of himself he threw the heat onto dirkzor, who was an easy target because he had early heat in this game anyways. To take this further, his scum buddy who he planned this with, BC, immediately made a case onto dirkzor and got the wagon rolling. Look at the people voting for him, can you honestly say any of them look better than neutral to you? In this order: BC, imallinson, VE, mattchew, misder. I would like to hear your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson additionally. ##Unvote: Mattchew ##Vote: Imallinson | ||
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On August 22 2012 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm more suspicious than the guy you had ypur vote on 'toss?! To clarify I mean this is the order they threw their votes onto Dirkzor. | ||
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I think Mattchew is scum lets kill him | ||
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On August 23 2012 03:16 Drazerk wrote: Oh and did I mention they have to publicly do this? They are going to wait until they have at least 4-5 victims So basically this has to be a scum role and to use it, scum has to publicly out themselves, and have a chance of it being wrong and none of it working, and then they just get killed for it?... Sounds so fake. | ||
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On August 23 2012 03:20 Drazerk wrote: Well no because its infinite use so even if they get it wrong the first time they can just post again within the next second So you could just spam the thread and guess every 151 pokemon for 1 person and then make them a VT no matter what. For sacrificing your life... | ||
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On August 23 2012 04:25 Kurumi wrote: Ah yes Butterfree. You are not my master so deal with it. Also this role sucks and you should feel bad. Just look at that damn Diglett , it is better. Okay , I am better now. Other than make yourself very vulnerable what was the purpose of claiming | ||
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Is cautious play not more oriented towards unsure townies than cocky scum members? But then again his whole role could be a lie so I wouldn't take it as much. | ||
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On August 23 2012 06:07 Drazerk wrote: How did you know about it being butterfree? sheeeeeeeeeeeit, someone on the scum team has butterfree and they all discussed roles or kurumi is butterfree and just lied again for the second time in an hour | ||
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On August 23 2012 09:54 Drazerk wrote: ##Sunny Day Fire damage now does 0.5kp more damage which shouldn't be too bad when you consider we just killed 1 of 3 fire pokemon in the first generation Water damage now does 0.5kp LESS which should reduce over all KP considering just how many water pokemon there is in every generation (so many water pokemon) and put a lot more focus on the lynches rather than all the crazy powers. Isn't there 7 fire pokemon in the first generation charmander (evos) vulpix (evos) growlith (evos) ponyta (evos) magmar flareon moltres Also does sunny day take the following into effect as well: In addition to this, the moves Synthesis, Morning Sun and Moonlight will recover the user's maximum HP, and SolarBeam will not require a turn to charge. It also lowers the Accuracy of Thunder to 50%. | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:02 Drazerk wrote: Why would eevee evolve into anything but Jolteon in first gen Moltres is legendary so I've excluded it (There are no flying types in this game check the OP) You realize there is no only flying type pokemon in gen 1 , all of them have another type which are all covered in OP. | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:08 Kurumi wrote: Zephir is town How do you figure? | ||
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Heist Misder WBG Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately. | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote: if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process Its neat to witness in-thread conversations between 2 scum (mattchew BC) | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I still like dirk as red, and wiggles has done absolutely nothing to help town period this game. He however has managed to find time to criticize people and claim they must be red with 0 case. (see bugs' post a few pages ago on wiggles to see what I mean). But mattchew has done something to help town? :S | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:23 Mattchew wrote: I found SnB as town, and I am pretty sure VE is town too now. so thats pretty helpful what exactly have you done meme? other than bandwagon a townie lynch? It's not hard to find SnB as town after he flipped. It's not like he had any pressure on him before he died. VE is null from the Toad shot out of any one you should know that. I've had trouble figuring people out or getting cases together from day 1, but I'd like to think that I have produced helpful discussion from people when we are in the thread at the same time by asking them questions. I don't really think dirkzor is scum, but I wouldn't mind hearing why you think he is? | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: you do realize you just claimed scum here right? I dont get it either | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I would rather kill Dirkzor today. Why | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Several reasons, but foremost among them being that in spite of him being the counterwagon to the townie lynch yesterday and his heaping wad of dick he's got in the way of contribution, he seems to have been forgotten about by the majority of players. He's still here guys, and he's still scum. Didn't you say you thought Zeph was more scummy than Dirk and you were only voting Dirk to consolidate to an extent during day 1, what changed about your thoughts on Dirk being more scummier than Zeph?/What are the current thoughts on grushy | ||
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On August 24 2012 05:26 Kurumi wrote: Go to bed so your ashamed scumbuddies can start posting. I am confirmed. Ask Drazerk. Ask Zephy. Ask anyone with a brain what mindless tunneling on day 1 from scum means. No one confirmed till they flip | ||
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On August 24 2012 05:38 Kurumi wrote: Are you voting Dirk? Go do it man, we will get another one down. Why are people voting dirk over say, mattchew or heist? | ||
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On August 24 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote: Because mattchew wasnt defended by confirmed scum and is not the person bc kill was trying to divert attention from. Its pretty WIFOM to say that the BC kill was done to get people to kill mattchew Scum could think people would think this to get off mattchew Or just kill BC because he was pushing the mattchew lynch the hardest. | ||
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On August 24 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote: You read hopeless's games right, dirk? Why didn't you mention any of them when you say that he's scum? Your filter doesn't seem like town hiro at all. Also, since this town is sorta dead. I'm going to try harder to figure some scum out, will post my findings later. | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote: Still on that. So far I think wiggles is scummiest of the three. This is really helpful. Care to explain why in future posts? | ||
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Basically I think if we knew the alignment of VE it would make things a lot more clear. Since we cannot know the alignment of VE without killing him, I'm going to try to logic my way through both scenarios and draw some conclusions from there. Keep in mind Toad knew everyone would know the shot went off before hand. 1) Toad shoots Town VE: Knowing Toad as scum, what would Toad's motivations for this be? a) Cause confusion throughout the thread/general dislike for VE -I think this one is out, I think a risky move like this would be more planned out b) Try to get VE to role claim, or rage leading a mis-lynch back to a vet -There is evidence that this could be the case as seen in the quotes below: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 02:55 Toadesstern wrote: I consider this to be bullshit. Therefore I consider you to be a rock-type. Therefore I consider you to be mafia because you're not playing like a VET-role at all right now. That's kind of my thought process right now. Care to enlighten me why you're not more "in your face" as a rock until you got under suspicion? + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 03:01 Toadesstern wrote: well this shot makes me think you're a VET, as I just mentioned. A vet usually tries to catch some bullets. I wouldn't say what you did so far is how you play a VET-role if you want to help town and I'd go as far to say I don't even the slightest interest in making it look that way from your side. So I'm basicly accusing you to have gotten a VET-role combined with a mafia alignment because a VET-role in combination with a town alignment isn't really fitting the picture at all. I never asked you to claim. I just wanted you to give a little insight from your pov. c) Toad and Team Rocket are threatened by VE -This implies that VE's strong pushes against both dirk and zeph early in the game warrented this shot. This implies that either Dirk or Zeph is scum. Zeph: -Im not going to rehash VE's case or BIOSC's case if you want to read them check the filters. - I will talk about some new things I found related to the PayDay Shooting People seem to be ignoring the fact that Toad not only distanced himself from Dirk but also Zeph, and Zeph tries to make sure not only that people know Dirk was distanced, but to leave of the fact that Toad rarely mentioned him. On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote: I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts. On August 22 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote: mementoss what's your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson? He wanted to leave Zeph alone for a while just like Dirk, so if this is the primary reason your voting Dirk you might want to re-think your vote. He also leaves Zeph out when asking for my opinion. Actually the first quote is the ONLY time toad every interacts with Zeph. Additionally, Zeph LOVES to remind people how town he is: On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"? Also I am a medic. Go figure. On August 22 2012 07:27 Zephirdd wrote: On the meowth thing: I believe it was town KP. Why? Because I wasn't targetted. but then, so many people outing my fucking draw-shots strategy could have spoiled it huh. I'm still a medic and I'll still protect someone tonight, don't worry. Also, I may have claimed medic because I knew the strategy would be spoiled so scum would never shoot me WHAT NOW SCUM HUH COME ON SHOOT ME ohwait you will not WIFOMWIFOWMIFOM TAKE IT SCUM anyway Anyway, it may have been scum KP but I'm willing to believe it was town. If there was no claim, it is very well possible that there is a reason hidden on his role - like, maybe he can't claim. I don't know, but I see no reason to shoot VE specifically. On August 23 2012 11:34 Zephirdd wrote: [Insert random wifom comment about how that was made to implicate me and make a mislynch] I can't say you're wrong either, even if I know I'm town; but I can say it could have something to do with Dirkzor. Problem is: I found his logic to look fine during your exchange, but you did counterargue it nicely and I don't recall him doing it back. If he did, I didn't see it. You would think a townies job is to scum hunt, and prove his townieness by catching scum, NOT by explaining it to everyone every chance he gets. Excuses, Excuses EVERYWHERE: On August 22 2012 07:27 Zephirdd wrote: So... I guess I am late @_@ long day at work. I didn't read much on imallinson at the time of my last post so I don't know if I'd have thought he was a good lynch or not. I was busy looking at VE at the time. On August 23 2012 11:01 Zephirdd wrote: Sup hopes. Had a crazy day at work today. Some kiddo thought he could take down the whole company because he lost 4 bucks on his cellphone. As if he was anyone at all. Crazy huh? So yeah, I now got a job that gives no free space. once in a while I can give a look at the thread, but writting anything would be useless(even now when I can come back to the thread it isn't very helpful, but I'm trying). On August 23 2012 11:11 Zephirdd wrote: ...I don't think my "make connections" thing is working out @_@ I'm tired as fuck too. Only reason for voting Dirk is the a reason that applies to himself: On August 23 2012 11:11 Zephirdd wrote: Dirkzor's only mention of Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357¤tpage=19#365 (he also mentioned it on a list of voters but it doesn't matter) Reading Toad's filter, he is also always "I'm meh on him" or "I don't know". You see, that's the kind of stuff that scum partners say to each other when they don't want to lynch an ally. There was a pretty big distance between Toad and Dirkzor, and I don't think it was unintentional. On the same way though, I can't give much insight on it. The fact that it is so hard to find interactions of Toad/VisceraEyes on toad's filter(because Ctrl+F'ing 'VE' is stupid) isn't helping me; VE, do you happen to know if Toad had some kind of fight with you for you to warrant that shot? Why would he shoot you at that point in time? ...I don't think my "make connections" thing is working out @_@ I'm tired as fuck too. Dirkzor: -same as Zeph im going to try and not re-hash everyone elses case against Dirkzor, if you want to see a recent one go check out Mattchew's. -BC's last post before death stated that we should be lynching either Dirkzor or Mr. Wiggles -Toads obviously far distance from Dirkzor On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote: I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts. There is less here for Dirkzor, because I feel like this case has been done to death already and Mattchew hit all the obvious points. Also I feel too many people are believeing Zephs bullshit confirmed town, and overlooking the fact that the reasons people want Dirk dead are thereso even more for Zeph. 2) Toad Shoots Mafia VE: Why would Toad shoot VE if VE was scum? a) Cause disruption and create confusion b) Wants to separate himself from VE, to create WIFOM VE into confirmed townie after he dies -Anyone that played LI will know this has happened between these two players in an almost perfect fashion, constant arguements etc. Go read this for reference. -Additionally, there has been alot of mention of this sort of thing throughout the game regarding the shot. On August 23 2012 09:49 Kenpachi wrote: VE is probably town. what are the chances hes mafia with toadesstern twice now On August 22 2012 20:56 Toadesstern wrote: The creator of a role is not allowed to talk about it until the role has flipped according to a mod-statement. Are you trying to get someone mod-killed? Why is it a role scum likely has? There has been a lot of talk about Meowth so far. Just picture him being some crazy shit like dayvig + bulletproof. Noone in their right mind would claim something like that because it would help mafia. Besides: I shot our lovely hosts a PM and I'm totally not going to talk about what a host told me or publish a host-pm but I guess asking the right question might shed some light on some things like: a) Meowth b) VE That being said. I like both VE and Meowth right now, which may sound quite strange but I doubt any of those two is actually mafia although one shot the other. On August 22 2012 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote: I could feasibly work with Toad, but he tends to disagree with just about anything I say seemingly because it's me saying it. Not anything from this game in particular, just something I've noticed when we're in games together (it's one of the reasons our LI shenannies were so believable, actually). CONCLUSION : I do NOT currently think that VE is scum. I think Toad either shot VE because he felt threatened or he wanted to get a role reveal. I think he did this for both reasons as shown above, I think it was a very risky move that outted Toads alignment and possibly some other scum members, but he felt he could have got a role reveal out of VE and possibly kill VE that night or turn the lynch around onto VE if VE went into rage mode. I think the lynch today should be between Dirk or Zeph or Mattchew since I think VE is town, to try and solve this puzzle. Wait what mementoss? Mattchew, but you never mentioned him at all? Well I am about to. I think between Zeph and Mattchew people are trying to get everyone to think only Dirk was distanced from toad. When really zeph was distanced from toad as well. Additionally, Dirk has been under heat all game, and was also a contender for day 1 lynch, so its easy to get people to vote him. 1) everyone is curious of his alignment and even if they dont think they are they are biased towards that fact, and 2) scum can easily look like they are contributing by rehashing everything said in day 1. Additionally, Dirkzor thinks mattchew is scum and re-brings up the case, what a perfect way to get someone off your ass. Also to tie things into recent events I think BC was killed not only to direct a lynch onto Wiggles or Dirk (as his dieing words said to lynch either of them) but to shut BC up about Mattchew, because BC caught a scum slip by mattchew in the below quote: On August 23 2012 10:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Because he has done nothing useful (so far) to help the town in any way. To come out and say "i found blah as town and I think blah is town" is great. You know who likes finding town? or more specifically, differentiating town from third party or town from mafia? Not fucking townies. Saying your green reads is awesome, but if you don't state your red cases with actual reasons and instead just hop on wagons / spout green reads you are likely not town. Additionally, if you look at mattchew pathetic and scummy scum filter you will see why he seems scummy. Im not going to re-hash this, but it can be seen in the case by Jingle below: On August 23 2012 22:53 Dirkzor wrote: Bah just erased my post =( I don't have much time today and I just want to put some thought about what have happened since I last posted. It might get a bit all over because I don't know when I'll get back to the thread so bear with me. While reading the whole Wiggles vs BC "battle" i initially thought BC came out looking worst (and thus Wiggles looking good). I also thought that both might still be town since I earlier had a townread on BC. About the hit on BC. Why haven't anyone claimed it? Is it the same as I think happened day1 with toad hitting VE? That it was actually scum who hit him while some thought he was scum. It would be the perfect way to hide the amount of KP used on town/scum side. Still pondering if it would be beneficial for us to press a claim on the BC hit. Talking about VE. I don't think he is scum anymore. The hit Toad performed on him d1 jsut doesn't add up as a bus. Such an early and very aggressive bus seems unlikely. + Show Spoiler [Jingle's case on Mattchew] + On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote: Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit. Speaking of not scum hunting... also, accusing someone of no reads when this is his most substantial post in the thread at the time is laughable. He wants VE to pick a fight, which is generally not good for town, and he's not sinking his teeth into anyone either. Oh. Tunneling the piss out of Drazerk, too. Whining about a vote on him, fits the trend of non-content posting. Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. This doesn't need much talking about. More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. Very early assertion of "definite town" on someone, which in this case would require information townies don't have. He claims it's based on other play, but I'd need confirmation of that from someone who knows it. Weak OMGUS finger-point at me that doesn't even make sense under the circumstances considering my "cop out" was to ask him why he did something that's generally scummy. Great case that looks almost exactly like the one I made before you. =/ You start you case with "Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit." and the continue to repeat what I already wrote earlier. That in it self is weird, but the fact that you make a case because "someone accused you" is a scum way of thinking. Why not make a case to maybe... you know... catch scum? Talking about Mattchew: Best post so far I thought I agree that Mattchew is scum (a bit less after how JH started his case) I'm quite sad to see WBG vote with no reason whatsover. Can you explain why you think he is scum? Same goes to Kurumi who just ninja voted him (although he did state he found matt scummy). Additionally, to look back at Mattchews history throughout the the thread, it has been VERY resistant to gaining any steam, despite his lackluster filter noticed by everyone. Lets go through this: I vote mattchew because of lack of anything from him and unexplained votes. Doesn't get expanded on despite mattchew not upping his play. Kita votes mattchew. Ends up dead that night, despite only having a very limited amount of posts. JingleHell makes a case on mattchew and votes him. The case is quickly buried and not commented on by many. BC points out a mattchew scum slip. Is killed very soon after is killed to point lynch towards easy Dirkzor to take heat off mattchew. Kenpachi votes mattchew, derp. Dirkzor thinks mattchew is scum, becomes main target by many and quickly gains steam for the lynch. If you read these things in context you will notice how HARD it is to gain any steam onto this scummy bastard. FINAL CONCLUSION: Mattchew Zephridd | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad wouldn't feel threatened by me no matter what I'm saying. He's like Bugs in that way. Toad shooting me was never about me dying...it was about either my reaction or the thread's reaction to my reaction. Mementoss, that was a colossal effort, is there anything you'd like to know from me? I know I'm light on contribution but to be honest I'm having a hard time keeping up with everything. The fact that you're claiming I'm the key to some things is pretty intimidating - mainly because I'm so lost myself. I'll help out in any way I can. Basically I just meant by going over the motivations of the shot on you depending on your alignment we could figure out a lot of things. I decided that you are most likely town and pieced together the situation that made the most sense to me from there, after re-reading key parts of the thread and going over some filter notes. Anyways I'd like opinions on what I said cause it all makes sense and I really hope its right. What parts you agree with or disagree with and your thoughts on the current situation would be nice. Im going to go play some CS Go tournament on Saturday. | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:02 JingleHell wrote: What do you want me to do more of? I've contributed on Mattchew, and I haven't really got any other clear reads right now. So if I see someone say something that sounds scummy, I chip in, but I'm trying not to clutter the thread. By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though. Due to the fact that this may sound slightly off, if you feel the need to flip me and make sure I'm telling the truth, just remember me when I'm gone and blue. I made this role and can confirm it makes the intended action hit a target at random | ||
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On August 24 2012 23:48 Zephirdd wrote: lmao. Let this be registered as my breadcumb for my role then. Although my breadcumb is in my first post. Anyway, Since I don't want to be on the wrong straw of the lynch before the deadline, and hooray work, Mattchew it is! ##unvote ##vote Mattchew Why do you care what side of the lynch you on.... | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote: Hi again. Day 2 post- the only thing of importance (besides the fact that two people flipped scum) is the flavor of the kills. BC vs Wiggles into BC getting dayvig shot- I had BC as scum at the end of Day 1, so I don't believe it's that bad of a shot if it was a town dayvig. (Though obviously, it could be a scum dayvig that wanted to get rid of a vet...). Same thing as before, can't really tell the alignment of the shot. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the case though, which leads me to believe that he's town. I also have WBG as town, though I haven't looked carefully at his filter yet. I just get a town vibe from him. Also VE is town. Drazerk's posting has gotten way better, making me think he's town as well. Mattchew is interesting. When I played with him before GMarshal's PYP, he did the exact same thing he did day 1 when he was town (pointing fingers without backing stuff up, and posting one-liners all the time aka being scummy). If I was going to vote on meta, I would say that Mattchew is a bad lynch target. But I'm not, so ##Vote:Mattchew. Also, there's a JingleHell v Mattchew and a Mattchew v Dirkzor thing going on (where the first person is the one attacking). As for JingleHell, I was actually writing a case on him but it stopped when I read the post where he claimed a role. That claim seems out of the blue, which I don't know if scum would do. He's obviously being more productive though (pushing a Mattchew case) so I don't mind him being alive for now. I feel like lynching Dirkzor would clear up a lot of stuff though, and I still think he's being scummy. But Mattchew works too. Lol almost 72 hours after last post | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:30 Mattchew wrote: Lol hopeless is so right that its scummy. His whole post reeks of told you so shit also look at dirks indecisiveness in his voting of me.... And to everyone, no you aren't lynching bad town, lol keep calling my play bad but not supporting that at all. My Case on dirk has been completely ignored in analysis Yeah and if you believe I am pikachu and you are still voting me I can't stress how dumb and BAD (it's correct use) that is Well the game is called pikachus revenge, there is no reason to assume pikachu is town. So I dont understand that last sentence | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:39 Hopeless1der wrote: How does saving Matt really get me towncred tomorrow? He lives, we're both scum. He dies, I'm scummy for trying and failing to save him. Be back in an hour or so. Please actually read through the defense I posted and tell me why its insufficient. The point is you were here multiple times today, and decided to defend Mattchew in a huge post 3 hours before lynch. Even though you knew you were not voting mattchew hours and hours ago. You do this with not enough time to get majority to switch, therefore mattchew most likely gets lynched. If he flips scum, you can say your right. Your motive isn't to try and save someone you think is town, your motive is to make yourself look good. If you wanted to save him, you woulda defended him in the post where you voted for wriggles. Also your reasoning for voting wiggles is piss poor. Got any more to add to it or is it just gut feeling? | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote: This post is so wishy washy, this post alone makes me want to switch off mattchew. Conjoined with Hopeless's timing of his defense post gah. Hi again. Day 2 post- the only thing of importance (besides the fact that two people flipped scum) is the flavor of the kills. BC vs Wiggles into BC getting dayvig shot- I had BC as scum at the end of Day 1, so I don't believe it's that bad of a shot if it was a town dayvig. (Though obviously, it could be a scum dayvig that wanted to get rid of a vet...). Same thing as before, can't really tell the alignment of the shot. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the case though, which leads me to believe that he's town. The first part of this post says shooting BC defending the shot if its town, did Misder shoot BC? Effort = town? I also have WBG as town, though I haven't looked carefully at his filter yet. I just get a town vibe from him. He says WBG is town for no reason at all, WBG put no effort, but is magically town without him reading him up. More unexplained town reads. Also VE is town. Drazerk's posting has gotten way better, making me think he's town as well. Mattchew is interesting. When I played with him before GMarshal's PYP, he did the exact same thing he did day 1 when he was town (pointing fingers without backing stuff up, and posting one-liners all the time aka being scummy). If I was going to vote on meta, I would say that Mattchew is a bad lynch target. But I'm not, so ##Vote:Mattchew. Here comes the wishy washiness. Mattchews case is interesting. Well ya couldn't have been more vague could ya? All meta Misder has with mattchew points him to believe hes town, but yeah FUCK META, I'm going to vote him. He never gives a reason for voting mattchew other than he's interesting and following his town meta. Also, there's a JingleHell v Mattchew and a Mattchew v Dirkzor thing going on (where the first person is the one attacking). As for JingleHell, I was actually writing a case on him but it stopped when I read the post where he claimed a role. That claim seems out of the blue, which I don't know if scum would do. He's obviously being more productive though (pushing a Mattchew case) so I don't mind him being alive for now. This paragraph on jinglehell just shows misder is not reading the thread. Jinglehells post wasn't out of the blue it explained mattchews missed shot and explained how toad died. I feel like lynching Dirkzor would clear up a lot of stuff though, and I still think he's being scummy. But Mattchew works too. This last line, wow, just wow. Concludes his post with no clear direction, shows a lack of interest for the flip. We can lynch dirkzor for information, or mattchew whatever | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:53 Mattchew wrote: Why you should believe I am pikachu No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess) Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp. TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch. I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk. The only problem I have with this is the middle part. It's entirely possible that you knew you had 1KP you were scum, you wanted wiggles DEAD. Now that he didn't die and you were saying you thought you only had .5KP and it was a poke of some sort. However, I don't think I'm even convinced this is the case, everything lines up too consistently to be planned I think. For now: ##Unvote: Mattchew | ||
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Why did you shoot wiggles in the first place? You mention that you think he wouldn't get lynched day 2. And you only had a quick sentence on why you thought he was scum. Why him over someone else or a lurker? Can you explain the motivation behind this quote: On August 23 2012 13:30 Mattchew wrote: in a weird twist, i would only rather lynch wiggles if it is either me or him. i would much much rather lynch dirk Why did you decide wiggles was not scum after your shot didn't go through? Also, you only mention Dirk or hopeless, what do you think about Misder? | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:26 heist wrote: If you guys are contemplating switching off of Mattchew, why are you pursuing hopeless if his scum slip was defending Mattchew? On August 25 2012 02:47 Mementoss wrote: The point is you were here multiple times today, and decided to defend Mattchew in a huge post 3 hours before lynch. Even though you knew you were not voting mattchew hours and hours ago. You do this with not enough time to get majority to switch, therefore mattchew most likely gets lynched. If he flips scum, you can say your right. Your motive isn't to try and save someone you think is town, your motive is to make yourself look good. If you wanted to save him, you woulda defended him in the post where you voted for wriggles. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:33 Misder wrote: 1. I looked and you’re right. Nothing more to say besides, I just looked at your filter. 2. Again, that is the one post that keeps on bothering me. Read my response to Wiggles though for my thinking. Wiggles asks why I think that JingleHell has pressure to say anything when there is a realm of possibilities: my answer- 1) Give himself town-cred 2) I don’t mean pressure from the town; I mean pressure felt internally. When I wrote that, I thought that if I was scum, I would probably say something about it too. And bussing your own town isn't good Hopeless. The only logical way jinglehell would claim their as scum, would be if mattchew was scum and jingle was trying to give mattchew some credibility after being under heat. But I doubt they are both scum if you look at how hard jingle pushed mattchew for the majority of the. Why would jinglehell claim if mattchew was town? He wouldn't. Because it makes mattchew look like a liar, and mattchew was already being pushed for the lynch so jinglehell could have sat back and let the townie get lynched. So based on the claims, I think if you think Jinglehell is scum, you almost need to think mattchew is scum by association. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:40 JingleHell wrote: By the way, Memen, you know your unvote was never followed by a vote? I'm trying to keep track of them. Im between misder and hopeless at the moment, Im having a hard time believing they are both scum but they are trying their best to both look scummish. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:52 JingleHell wrote: I find this question funny for one reason. It implies you "thought". You managing to single-handedly take the scum team out of the frying pan and into the fire so quickly suggests the opposite. Welcome to hell. Sorry what. If mattchew flipped, we would have his role PM. I wrote jinglehells role and can confirm he only has the one ability claimed. | ||
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On August 25 2012 05:44 Mattchew wrote: hopeless did never actually think i was scum... and he had this post about me awhile before his really long one + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2012 11:30 Hopeless1der wrote: Hurray for claiming! I think Mattchew is stupid for not understanding the KP mechanics, but ultimately town. There's the crumb for his shot, or as close as I could find. I'm waiting on dirk to tell me why he thinks I'm scum I think wiggles is my lynch of choice for today, as he has got off entirely too easy following the hit on BC. He got some breathing room and he comes back with a strong defensive post but doesn't know who to vote yet, or who he suspects. He also won't go after bugs anymore even though the Day1 wagons were supposedly started by scum. ##Vote:Mr.Wiggles Why didn't he defend you then, rather than waiting hours later, when the deadline had almost come, nothing in his defense had changed in between those two times | ||
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On August 25 2012 05:48 Hopeless1der wrote: First off, that was a gut feeling, I don't have a strong read. He's been too willing to jump ship on his own reads and doesn't follow up. He was so upset Day 1 by my ninja vote, but it's not a good reason to vote me now. I don't like this post one bit. Its too wishywashy in the reasoning. Misder was poorly timed, but my "last-minute" defense was scummy. No one has even seen fit to bring back up my ninja vote, and that was actually something scummy. I brought it up twice in day 1, and it got buried at the speed of light both times. Until you specifically talked about it in a later post. | ||
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On August 25 2012 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Hopeless I'm here. Why are so many "vets" doing this type of posting this game | ||
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On August 25 2012 05:51 Hopeless1der wrote: You brought it up when no one wanted to look at me. Now that I'm about to die, wouldn't it have been a great time to say LOOK I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG! I don't care about being right I care about killing scum to win the game. | ||
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On August 25 2012 06:42 grush57 wrote: Vigis just have to shoot JingleHell, Mementoss and Biosc. Care to expand on this? | ||
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On August 25 2012 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote: THAT'S PART OF WHY I FEEL SO USELESS I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT POKEMANS!! Use bulbapedia noob You claimed either ekans or arbok, you are therefore team rocket ... yup | ||
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On August 26 2012 07:54 HiroPro wrote: k we kill wiggles. he's not playing this game. ##Vote Mr. Wiggles Your pretty useless this game, do you usually play like this I don't remember. | ||
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On August 26 2012 12:01 grush57 wrote: Mr.Wiggles will reveal more. Plus 100% scum meta. ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles lynching scum >> lynching for info .. no? | ||
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On August 26 2012 12:40 HiroPro wrote: Yo mementoss if you think wiggles is town, use his posting to say why, not the BC hit/connection stuff. He left his vote uselessly on VE even though VE had like no chance of being lynched. He never even mentioned what he thought of dirk or allin. He considered meowth guaranteed scum but he still just left his vote on VE. He won't answer my question on why he would do that. He has basically stopped posting altogether now. That's scum play, especially for someone of his caliber. I never said I thought he was town I was questioning grush's reasoning for voting him | ||
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On August 26 2012 22:38 JingleHell wrote: Hey kids, sorry for inactivity yesterday. Got lazy and went on a rather insane LoL spree. I did not, in fact, use supersonic on Mattchew again, I'll mention a specific target if that target claims something and it's relevant. Anyways, nothing in my role PM suggests that Mattchew should still be feeling any effects of the N1 Supersonic, so yeah. Entirely plausible one of too many powers got in the way. Misder, if you're going to accuse my play of being anti-town, maybe you should have some play of your own first. I think because your power has the possibility of being so anti-town if used on the wrong people that you should be telling the thread who you targetted each night and the reasoning behind it, so we can maybe try to piece together some things from the night. | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Bugs was mafia hit. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who really thought he was scum, and given enough information I think he would have been dangerous to the scumteam later. That was a tactical scum hit that screwed Bugs over. That leaves the question: was it strictly because he would have been dangerous later, or was it because he was on the right track? Mr. Wiggles being still alive is pretty strange - considering the resistance to his lynch IN SPITE of the BC kill, it seems to me that he'd be an even more attractive kill than Bugs even playing lurky. Today I want to lynch between Misder and Mr. Wiggles. I'll put something together when I have time - I'm going out tonight, and won't have access to a computer. Still waiting for this. It scares me that VE has 2 more pages of filter than me, yet I don't recall him being a part of any important discussions during the game nor do I remember much of anything he said. o_0 | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: JingleHell officially giving me the willies. I wish Misder would come back. I'm putting something together and will be back in a while. Just like this never happened either lol | ||
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On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote: hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr. ##Unvote What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor | ||
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On August 28 2012 03:40 austinmcc wrote: First off, can the person who created the role for Magnemite please confirm that Supersonic confuses the target and redirects its action to a random pokemon? Specifically the "confuse" portion of that. Role/Ability Claims Zephirdd (Unknown pokemon, "medic" role) - + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"? Also I am a medic. Go figure. I'm still a medic and I'll still protect someone tonight, don't worry. Also, I may have claimed medic because I knew the strategy would be spoiled so scum would never shoot me WHAT NOW SCUM HUH COME ON SHOOT ME ohwait you will not WIFOMWIFOWMIFOM TAKE IT SCUM anyway and possiblyPretty sure our bulletproof medic protected someone who evolved. Kurumi (Caterpie/Metapod, unknown power) - + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 07:49 Kurumi wrote: Also my role could singlehandedly imbalance game in someone's favour just fyi My role is maybe two tiers above Oracle I have only one power this sucks I am Butterfly and I can roleblock people and remove their resistances in one action. I am an useless role for town. My power is pure scum power. If I was a Framer with cancel resistance my power would be on par with Oracle. Maybe I will be able to roleblock a dangerous individual. I am not a vig , dt or medic for fucks sake , I am a roleblocker cancelling resistances. Nah I lied about my role to help Drazerk Also I am Caterpie. Sue me. I am braindead so I forgot that Draz made my role and I am the laser guy lol Drazerk (Unknown bug type, can use "sunny day") - + Show Spoiler + I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Concerning the power he created, presumably Kurumi's Claiming who you made the role for OR what your role is will result in you being turned into a VT - This is multi target infinite use with no drawbacks (ok one minor drawback but lol who cares about that when you have an unstoppable VT laser(They will never know about it even though it is in effect right now)) It took a lot of arguments to get this role into the game but there is only one way around the power that I can't divulge but should be obvious if it is triggered however those already effected won't be able to do anything about it sadly ##Sunny Day Fire damage now does 0.5kp more damage which shouldn't be too bad when you consider we just killed 1 of 3 fire pokemon in the first generation Water damage now does 0.5kp LESS which should reduce over all KP considering just how many water pokemon there is in every generation (so many water pokemon) and put a lot more focus on the lynches rather than all the crazy powers. Grush (Unknown pokemon, vengeful role(?)) - + Show Spoiler + Oh yea vigis hit me see what happens ;D No, do it, I dare you. Regardless if my abilities are true, scum thinks I'm screwing with town and won't shoot me unless all the people left in the thread are scum which wouldn't suprise me, and town vigis, I hope you realize there are much better targets than me, I would suggest Biosc. Mattchew (Pikachu, vig role) - + Show Spoiler + i am pikachu, a blue pokemon, who can do .5 kp of damage every night JingleHell (Magnemite, has "Supersonic" which can redirect abilities) - + Show Spoiler + By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though. Supersonic. Confusion that makes it hit the wrong target. Random target, as determined by host. I'm guessing that's what toasted Toad, the Giovanni with a Meowth. Everyone else alive is unclaimed, as far as I could tell. Extra Stuff Shot/kill flavors: + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2012 07:50 austinmcc wrote: Housekeeping. Shot/Kill flavors + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 01:55 GreYMisT wrote: Meowth used payday on VisceraEyes! Ouch that hurt! (colors are not reflective of alignment) On August 23 2012 06:18 GreYMisT wrote: Bumatlarge, the Voltorb and Chezinu, the Gastly fainted due to psychic damage! StrongandBig, The Charmander became confused! He Fried himself in his confusion! StrongandBig fainted! Kitaman27, The Clefairy was captured by Team Rocket! Toadestern, as Giovanni with a Meowth met a shocking end On August 23 2012 20:19 deconduo wrote: BloodyC0bbler has been incinerated. On August 26 2012 06:14 deconduo wrote: We know that the amount of scum KP is hidden. Out of the flavors we've seen, I would think "captured by Team Rocket" is the mafia factional kill. If that's the case, then mafia's KP was disrupted last night. Heist, the Koffing, has been electrocuted. Wherebugsgo, the MewTwo/Mr. Mime, got too much sun. Evolutions: + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2012 06:18 deconduo wrote: Magikarp has evolved into Gyrados Bulbasaur has evolved into Ivysaur On August 26 2012 06:14 deconduo wrote: Caterpie has evolved into Metapod Dratini has evolved into Dragonair I already confirmed it in the thread. | ||
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On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote: Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again. My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch. VE, because the case by HiroPro + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote: I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol. Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute. I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons. First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others. Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it. Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say. I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying. Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now. ##Vote VisceraEyes Makes sense to me. And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great. Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it. ##Vote Wiggles so you think VE or misder are scum yet you vote wiggles, wat | ||
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On August 28 2012 03:54 Mattchew wrote: I am still voting dirkzor, because he is scum. I can be persuaded to switch to misder can we get a vote count why you think dirkzor is scum | ||
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On August 28 2012 04:10 Misder wrote: People think I'm scum mainly because of + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote: Hi again. Day 2 post- the only thing of importance (besides the fact that two people flipped scum) is the flavor of the kills. BC vs Wiggles into BC getting dayvig shot- I had BC as scum at the end of Day 1, so I don't believe it's that bad of a shot if it was a town dayvig. (Though obviously, it could be a scum dayvig that wanted to get rid of a vet...). Same thing as before, can't really tell the alignment of the shot. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the case though, which leads me to believe that he's town. I also have WBG as town, though I haven't looked carefully at his filter yet. I just get a town vibe from him. Also VE is town. Drazerk's posting has gotten way better, making me think he's town as well. Mattchew is interesting. When I played with him before GMarshal's PYP, he did the exact same thing he did day 1 when he was town (pointing fingers without backing stuff up, and posting one-liners all the time aka being scummy). If I was going to vote on meta, I would say that Mattchew is a bad lynch target. But I'm not, so ##Vote:Mattchew. Also, there's a JingleHell v Mattchew and a Mattchew v Dirkzor thing going on (where the first person is the one attacking). As for JingleHell, I was actually writing a case on him but it stopped when I read the post where he claimed a role. That claim seems out of the blue, which I don't know if scum would do. He's obviously being more productive though (pushing a Mattchew case) so I don't mind him being alive for now. I feel like lynching Dirkzor would clear up a lot of stuff though, and I still think he's being scummy. But Mattchew works too. This: On VE: I don't understand why scum would have any incentive to hit a scum VE really. Toad wasn't going to claim Meowth, and scum had no guarantee that Toad was going to die Night 1. So, then if VE is scum, then they would be banking on the fact that Toad would die eventually. Who are your best scum reads and why | ||
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On August 28 2012 04:23 Dirkzor wrote: Reading Misder's filter I get the feeling he knows something I don't. His claim the WBG was town out of the blue. His defence of hopeless and mattchew: Together with mementoss case yesterday he comes of as scum to me. I would still like to see VE dead. So go vote him! Mementoss what is your thought on VE? VE is being really useless, fake promises, has more filter than me yet I don't remember much of anything he has done to try and help town. There is a good chance he's scum. | ||
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On August 28 2012 04:38 austinmcc wrote: I just want to double-super-mega confirm that "confuse" is a part of this thing. If the kill flavors are an indicator, then we need to nail down what actually causes confusion and what just redirects stuff. Eh, not at the moment? You can read my thoughts on Wiggles. None of that rests on balance. But once we've flipped another scum or two, balance MAY color my thoughts. I dont think it has a flavour I think the confuse from snb came from elsewhere | ||
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On August 28 2012 04:43 Kurumi wrote: Claim your pokemon and role and I will unvote you. Why do you want everyone to claim? | ||
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On August 28 2012 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Who's trolling, me? I'm just trying to get people to build a better case against me than, "BC said he was scum, and he hasn't been around much, and meta-stuff". If people don't want to make a better case, that's their own prerogative, either as scum or bad townies. I think he means grush | ||
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On August 28 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I killed BC. Would scum tell you that? With 5 minutes left scum would say anything lol | ||
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On August 28 2012 05:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I can - it's why I didn't claim. Prove it shoot grush right now lol | ||
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On August 28 2012 06:00 Kurumi wrote: if ve is town I think I will harden t-t boner alert | ||
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On August 28 2012 06:39 Zephirdd wrote: If you are the scum, don't this whole train of logic go downhill? But hey, VE was killed. Dirkzor lives again. Oh well, nothing to do here I guess. You werent here to say anything you were like herp derp lets kill dirkzor , how convincing | ||
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On August 28 2012 09:04 HiroPro wrote: hey kurumi, you have a reason for thinking zeph is town right? I would like to hear it | ||
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On August 28 2012 21:12 Mattchew wrote: I am not shooting tonight. Do you not trust jinglehell? | ||
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I think some better questions would be: Why is the claimed medic from day 1 still alive? (Zephridd) And why does Kurumi think he's town so bad? Never explained. What happened to mattchew's shot on wiggles? Scum medic? Redirected? There has been a little of talk between kurumi and drazerk about this VT laser bullshit thing and a lot of fear mongering using the term, yet why should we even believe this exists? I would like proof that it exists and I wouldn't mind using it on JingleHell. His role at this point in the game is just too risky to use and have, and it would prove kurumi and drazerk aren't both scum making this up to scare everyone. Also I would like to know exactly who Jinglehell used his ability on last night, telling isn't going to hurt any one. If we lose magnemite it's not a huge loss. Also, does it even make sense that a role that can take all of one persons actions and redirect them to a target at random is a town role? Does anything happen if we start claiming the roles we made? So we at least have an idea what we are dealing with? I think this would be a decent idea. Also I think Mattchew should be using his shot tonight but thats just me. | ||
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On August 29 2012 03:04 HiroPro wrote: Jingle said he hit mattchew with supersonic n1, remember? im talking about night 2 | ||
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On August 29 2012 03:08 JingleHell wrote: I think Mementoss trying to push me as potential scum based on WIFOMing the host in the same post as he disparages similar discussion (badge mechanics) is kind of scummy. I was wondering if we had a visible scum, and he would fit the bill. I'll try and get something coherent put together for discussion before deadline. OMGUS much? Anyways I think you should discuss your hits because they have no negative affect on you. And at this point your power is too risky to use unless confirmed scum, I wouldn't be able to believe you if you said you didn't use it, thats why I would like it VT'd. | ||
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On August 29 2012 03:33 JingleHell wrote: Oh look, twisting my words again. Right now, people I'm seeing as potentially scummy are people who are saying shit that doesn't make any sense from any rational town motive. In your case, twisting my words, in Memen's case, it's his sudden backtrack on the townieness of my claim. (Don't forget at the end of the day, he was strongly supporting how townie my claim was. Now he's seeing tons of scum motive in my keeping it quiet for the sake of being able to use it the same way as needed.) I'm just being cautious in my thoughts towards your role, and you went hyper aggressive after I mentioned what I think have best interests for the town. | ||
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On August 29 2012 04:00 JingleHell wrote: Ok, so here's my assessment of Mementoss, from his filter. This will probably be long, so I'm going to spoiler off sections. For starters, he complains about lack of scum-hunting and direction frequently, despite barely ever doing more than saying people don't feel town. + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 22:20 Mementoss wrote: What are you trying to accomplish with this statement, in regards to finding scum or helping the pokealliance win? On August 21 2012 07:17 Mementoss wrote: Wat. Where? I haven't seen anything that could be classified as "actual discussion" of scum candidates. Also scum claim is almost as thrown around of a term as meta. Both useless On August 21 2012 07:38 Mementoss wrote: I think they are both town playing in a questionable way (see: Bad), in some sort of trollish form, that they think is going to provoke reactions and discussions from players, in turn they will try to analyse from there. But by playing in this way, they just look like scum, and lose a lot of town credibility. I'll quote both cases in question for the people who didn't read the thread / forgot. Drazerk: + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote: Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from Drazerk lolwut that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk The case sure points out a lot of questionable quotes, and shows his spam, but it doesn't really seem like mafia motivation to me. First post of the game, fake ability, is this really worth it for scum? To reveal themselves so obviously, to pull out one blue role, in a game where everyone has some sort of power? It just doesn't make much sense to me. He is all over the place, but I have never played with him, by the way people are talking about him, he just seems like an impulsive player. I could be wrong, and worse comes to worse hes a decent candidate, I don't think its worth tunnelling him however. Kurumi: + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote: Thoughts on blasting Kurumi instead? Check out the following conversation for a sec: 1) Is basicly the reason why I kept saying I want to hurt Drazerk with a pointy stick. He kept on posting for the sake of posting. Fine we're still on day-1 but he's overdoing it a lot. If what he's doing is acceptable as contribution than mafia will have an easy time blending in doing bullshit posts like his. I consider this post Kurumi did to be incredible hypocrytical btw. 2) Is Drazerk acknowledging the fact that he / they're both posting for the sake of posting, which is weird to say the least, but that's besides the point right now. 3) is the really important one. Kurumi states "I just like posting.". That's incredible defensive. I would understand this if someone else were to accuse him like "dude, you're totally posting for the sake of posting and nothing else, that's scummy!" but there was no such thing. Drazerk got in the thread acknowledging that both Kurumi and he HIMSELF did that. If that was suppossed to be criticism Drazerk criticised himself with that post as well, which I consider to be pretty unlikely so to me it just read as some random bullshit. To Kurumi however it apparently reads as sincere attack and he felt the need to explaining his actions. Why so defensive Kurumi? Same thing. It seems like just spamming and just looking for a reaction. I mean, why as scum would you play so carelessly. He could be trying to just derail the whole thread. Why would he connect himself to another player who had huge thread presence at the time and was also under heat as scum? I personally think neither are scum, but both are bad town. Overall, there is a possibility they are scum, so voting them isn't horrible because they are just shitting up the thread, but I don't think they are. I think our scum is lurking in the shadows. On that note: ##Vote: Mattchew Note, this one looks like a contribution, but it really isn't. He basically just dismisses the scumhunting being done by others, and then votes for someone else. On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote: But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? There's more of that, but that should be enough to cover it. His filter is long, with a lot of fluff to dig through. Oh, let's not forget a post that actually goes against his (repeatedly) stated dislike for theorizing on roles and setup. + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 03:50 Mementoss wrote: Just speculating but: Pay Day does damage, and scatters coins on the ground with a value equal to twice the user's level for each time it's used. These coins are picked up afterwards if the player wins the battle. I'm assuming whoever used pay day on VE doesn't want people to know, because after VE dies later in the game, the player who used payday on him will receive something. The irony of voting allinson based on non-contribution and fluff posting isn't lost on me. + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote: Drazerk - commented more in detail before but troll bad town for now Dirkzor - the only thing suspicious about him seems to be his mess up in meta to try and make imallinson look worse than he is. I think this could be an honest mistake however. Most people voting for Dirkzor are people I don't trust, makes me uneasy. imallinson - will probably be where I'm placing my vote. I commented on it a bit before but will re-iterate. His initial posts were made to look like he contributed and actually tried drag day 1 discussion backwards. He did nothing for scum hunting and when criticized on this fact made a half ass case on SnB just to say he did. Spent most of the time defending himself which shittered up the thread and buried useful posts that were scum hunting at the time, it looks really bad in context. Also in the defence of himself he threw the heat onto dirkzor, who was an easy target because he had early heat in this game anyways. To take this further, his scum buddy who he planned this with, BC, immediately made a case onto dirkzor and got the wagon rolling. Look at the people voting for him, can you honestly say any of them look better than neutral to you? In this order: BC, imallinson, VE, mattchew, misder. I would like to hear your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson additionally. ##Unvote: Mattchew ##Vote: Imallinson At the end of D2, he jumps in sheeping me and supporting my roleclaim when I was mistakenly on a townie. + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote: The only logical way jinglehell would claim their as scum, would be if mattchew was scum and jingle was trying to give mattchew some credibility after being under heat. But I doubt they are both scum if you look at how hard jingle pushed mattchew for the majority of the. Why would jinglehell claim if mattchew was town? He wouldn't. Because it makes mattchew look like a liar, and mattchew was already being pushed for the lynch so jinglehell could have sat back and let the townie get lynched. So based on the claims, I think if you think Jinglehell is scum, you almost need to think mattchew is scum by association. On August 25 2012 04:40 Mementoss wrote: EBWOP: @misder since the majority of the focus of your jingle case is surrounding the motives and timing for his claim, and based on other earlier cases. Mind you, now he's pretty backtracked from that stance about me, as you can see in his recent posts. And then, D3, he's a huge fan of the VE wagon, but relatively fluffy again since it's going the way he wants. + Show Spoiler + On August 28 2012 04:12 Mementoss wrote: so you think VE or misder are scum yet you vote wiggles, wat On August 28 2012 04:26 Mementoss wrote: VE is being really useless, fake promises, has more filter than me yet I don't remember much of anything he has done to try and help town. There is a good chance he's scum. And so on. Ends in a mislynch. And now, he's after me, claiming I'm scummy for using my power in a way that can potentially gain us information, when he supported using that information before, and even seemed to find me townie from that use of it. Lynch Mementoss tomorrow, and we'll be short the active scum trying to take town leadership. Remember, he's calling me scum because I won't reveal information that scum could use to protect themselves. I'm calling him scum because his filter demonstrates inconsistency between what words and actions, as well as what seems to be a rather anti-town lack of good townie motivation. But I didn't call you scum | ||
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On August 29 2012 04:11 JingleHell wrote: No? Nope Implies my role makes more sense as scum, and WIFOM's the host, which is absurd. You guys were WIFOM the hosts with your badge talk the whole night, as well as other people with WIFOM stacked scum team, as well as this pokemon is more likely team rocket all game. I didn't use it as a conclusive peice of evidence just a though. I say you sound scummy and you call it an OMGUS. That implies you were indeed calling me scummy, or it wouldn't be an OMGUS. I said OMGUS cause you obviously thought what I said made you think that I was implying you were scum, which caused you to rage and make a case against against me. When in reality, I was just bringing up points for people to think about regarding role discussion for the night, rather than all this bickering between eachother and badge/mewtwo death nonsense Don't try to sidetrack my case. Can you actually contest my points about your questionable motives and inconsistency? I don't really want to, but I could go through it. If I'm going to spend a significant time on a post I'd rather it be to help find scum, rather than waste time defended a confirmed town (from my perspective) | ||
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