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On August 20 2012 07:43 Kurumi wrote: ##vote drazerk From voting thread btw | ||
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On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Hi all. I am town. Cheers Im assuming wherebugsgo can only be a bug-type, so lets list off gen 1 bug types: 010 Caterpie Bug 011 Metapod Bug 012 Butterfree Bug Flying 013 Weedle Bug Poison 014 Kakuna Bug Poison 015 Beedrill Bug Poison 046 Paras Bug Grass 047 Parasect Bug Grass 048 Venonat Bug Poison 049 Venomoth Bug Poison 123 Scyther Bug Flying Now the real question is where bug types go, pokealliance or team rocket. If my memory serves me right, team rocket never used any of these bug type pokemon in the show. Therefore, wherebugsgo is telling the truth. Flawless logic. | ||
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On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"? Also I am a medic. Go figure. This is the worst role claim since VE every game I've played with him. | ||
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On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote: Also to go one step further I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it What are you trying to accomplish with this statement, in regards to finding scum or helping the pokealliance win? | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually down with policy-lynching grush. This is 100% super serious. I would be down with this. But he's banned. So he can't even defend himself.' | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:39 heist wrote: Why are you looking for vanilla townies? I wouldn't use it on you even if I did. And I certainly wouldn't want to kill grush right now. - 3 people so far on the 'Kill Grush' list: jingle hell, VE, mementoss Tell me why? Reasons so far: 1. meta 2. troll reason 3. I agree 4. I agree too. - 2 people so far on the 'Kill Me' list: dirk, Kurumi. Dirk still suicidal? I'm not down with it, I said I would be if he wasn't banned. Don't wanna kill him when he can't even talk as that won't bring out any interesting discussion. Im assuming you have never played a game with grush before, because late game with him is a nightmare. Also he was spamming up the thread to the point where it was unreadable, but I guess that was the trend. I never understood people as town asking people to kill them or voting for themselves, the only logical reason to get town to kill you would be role related. Otherwise it's just something people say so people feel bad or something and stop discussing the person? I don't know. | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote: ............................................... are you serious right now? you'd rather policy lynch grush? you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game and you want to policy lynch grush?????? are you serious right now? scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim Wat. Where? I haven't seen anything that could be classified as "actual discussion" of scum candidates. Also scum claim is almost as thrown around of a term as meta. Both useless | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:20 strongandbig wrote: well i think drazerk is scum and toad thinks kurumi is scum. what do you think about them mementoss? I think they are both town playing in a questionable way (see: Bad), in some sort of trollish form, that they think is going to provoke reactions and discussions from players, in turn they will try to analyse from there. But by playing in this way, they just look like scum, and lose a lot of town credibility. I'll quote both cases in question for the people who didn't read the thread / forgot. Drazerk: + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote: Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from Drazerk lolwut that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk The case sure points out a lot of questionable quotes, and shows his spam, but it doesn't really seem like mafia motivation to me. First post of the game, fake ability, is this really worth it for scum? To reveal themselves so obviously, to pull out one blue role, in a game where everyone has some sort of power? It just doesn't make much sense to me. He is all over the place, but I have never played with him, by the way people are talking about him, he just seems like an impulsive player. I could be wrong, and worse comes to worse hes a decent candidate, I don't think its worth tunnelling him however. Kurumi: + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote: Thoughts on blasting Kurumi instead? Check out the following conversation for a sec: 1) Is basicly the reason why I kept saying I want to hurt Drazerk with a pointy stick. He kept on posting for the sake of posting. Fine we're still on day-1 but he's overdoing it a lot. If what he's doing is acceptable as contribution than mafia will have an easy time blending in doing bullshit posts like his. I consider this post Kurumi did to be incredible hypocrytical btw. 2) Is Drazerk acknowledging the fact that he / they're both posting for the sake of posting, which is weird to say the least, but that's besides the point right now. 3) is the really important one. Kurumi states "I just like posting.". That's incredible defensive. I would understand this if someone else were to accuse him like "dude, you're totally posting for the sake of posting and nothing else, that's scummy!" but there was no such thing. Drazerk got in the thread acknowledging that both Kurumi and he HIMSELF did that. If that was suppossed to be criticism Drazerk criticised himself with that post as well, which I consider to be pretty unlikely so to me it just read as some random bullshit. To Kurumi however it apparently reads as sincere attack and he felt the need to explaining his actions. Why so defensive Kurumi? Same thing. It seems like just spamming and just looking for a reaction. I mean, why as scum would you play so carelessly. He could be trying to just derail the whole thread. Why would he connect himself to another player who had huge thread presence at the time and was also under heat as scum? I personally think neither are scum, but both are bad town. Overall, there is a possibility they are scum, so voting them isn't horrible because they are just shitting up the thread, but I don't think they are. I think our scum is lurking in the shadows. On that note: ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote: I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? | ||
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On August 21 2012 10:58 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: imallinson Ninja voting like a boss. Reminds me of Bill Murray in LIII. | ||
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On August 21 2012 11:22 Mementoss wrote: Ninja voting like a boss. Reminds me of Bill Murray in LIII. The fact that this post was buried and no one cares about it bothers me. It's been 12 hours since the vote almost with no word about why. No word from him at all. I will be back in a few hours to read up on new discussion and answer hiro. | ||
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I agree that the case wbg put together on allinson was correct, in that he acknowledged he was being useless and in fact did not care. Allinson continues to not be helpful, his case vs S&B looks to me to be a case that he put together, for the sake of putting a case together. Not to find scum. It sums up like this, S&B has a bad case so he is a good scum candidate. Not only this, but now he is shitting up the thread with a lot of very defensive posts, none of which change the fact that he is posting without any intent of finding scum. While this is happening he is trying to throw the heat from himself onto a fairly easy target, Dirkzor, then convienently as this is happening BC comes in with a case against Dirkzor to try to give this shift some speed. It seems like the couple are communicating in scum chat, no? I wouldn't mind hearing others opinions on this, for now I am just gunna keep an eye on it and challenge allinson to post something useful towards catching scum, or at least that can generate discussion that will help to find scum. Mattchew still hasn't been around and said anything that makes me want to change my vote as of now. My next highest target would be hopelessder just for the fact he ninja voted, and everytime I try to tell people that, the thread gets shittered up for the fact of burying it, and it doesn't get acknowledged. THERE IS ZERO TOWN MOTIVATION TO VOTE WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. It might seem like too obvious of a mistake to make as scum, but I think that is bullshit. I think scum is perfectly happy at how spammy the thread is and wanted to sneak by without bringing any attention to themselves. As for VE, I think VE is just being VE. (not in a good way that is) If he gets anywhere close to more than a couple votes, he will go into defensive rage mode, claim his role, derail the thread so hard and it will be the easiest mislynch scum could ever push from that situation. He could be scum but I don't think the evidence against him right now is the greatest. I would wait it out to analyse more posts of him and his actions in lynching situations. Just my 2 cents on whats going on right now. TLDR; Hopelessder still ninja voted nobody cares. | ||
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Pay Day does damage, and scatters coins on the ground with a value equal to twice the user's level for each time it's used. These coins are picked up afterwards if the player wins the battle. I'm assuming whoever used pay day on VE doesn't want people to know, because after VE dies later in the game, the player who used payday on him will receive something. | ||
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On August 22 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote: mementoss what's your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson? Drazerk - commented more in detail before but troll bad town for now Dirkzor - the only thing suspicious about him seems to be his mess up in meta to try and make imallinson look worse than he is. I think this could be an honest mistake however. Most people voting for Dirkzor are people I don't trust, makes me uneasy. imallinson - will probably be where I'm placing my vote. I commented on it a bit before but will re-iterate. His initial posts were made to look like he contributed and actually tried drag day 1 discussion backwards. He did nothing for scum hunting and when criticized on this fact made a half ass case on SnB just to say he did. Spent most of the time defending himself which shittered up the thread and buried useful posts that were scum hunting at the time, it looks really bad in context. Also in the defence of himself he threw the heat onto dirkzor, who was an easy target because he had early heat in this game anyways. To take this further, his scum buddy who he planned this with, BC, immediately made a case onto dirkzor and got the wagon rolling. Look at the people voting for him, can you honestly say any of them look better than neutral to you? In this order: BC, imallinson, VE, mattchew, misder. I would like to hear your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson additionally. ##Unvote: Mattchew ##Vote: Imallinson | ||
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On August 22 2012 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm more suspicious than the guy you had ypur vote on 'toss?! To clarify I mean this is the order they threw their votes onto Dirkzor. | ||
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I think Mattchew is scum lets kill him | ||
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