On August 10 2012 22:37 Forumite wrote: So, basically I get to pick the powers for another player, before being informed of my own alignment, is that it?
On August 11 2012 00:44 GreYMisT wrote: You will be selecting a role for a pokemon. For example: You will be told "You are selecting a role for Pikachu". You may not make conditions for the roles depending on what alignment they are
On August 11 2012 01:33 strongandbig wrote: Aww so we don't know the specific player we're making a role for? That would open a whole new world of trolling possibilities.
It was pretty fun before...what gives decon?
And /in
Yeah, for example you know who shouldn't get a Veteran Vengeful Townie. + Show Spoiler +
On August 11 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote: After deliberation, Type Immunity will not be in this game, it will be treated as "not very effective." This means:
Electric is not very effective against Ground
Ground is not very effective against Flying
Fighting and Normal are not very effective against Ghost
Additional Information:
All damage this game is persistent. This means that .5 KP damage will stay with you throughout the game. Things will be rounded up if they get weird.
Also the Mafia are required to select a player(s) to carry out their Night Kill(s). This KP Will be effected by type effectiveness.
On August 11 2012 05:44 Drazerk wrote: Are we allowed to use any of the following - One hit KO moves, Evasion stats, Soul Dew, More than one pokemon asleep at a time, The Moody ability, Drizzle + swift swim, Shell smash + baton pass, Different forms on same team and Deepseatooth clamperl, more than one of the same item on the same team, Self KO moves and to rage quit at a double wobbofett conundrum
Those are all real clauses in competitive pokemon by the way
On August 13 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote: I take it we have to choose something that fits the style of the pokemon?
Let's say I am told that I'm choosing for a fire style pokemon and I don't like the guy. Could I, hypothecially speaking, give him some garbage role that has nothing to do with his specials? :p
I guess that's a little exaggerated but do I have to choose KP roles if their ability is being good at KP roles? Edit: Oh nevermind about the "if I get someone I don't like", it's anonymous but the question's still the same.
On August 13 2012 05:55 strongandbig wrote: can we get any extra info about the "extra info from investigative roles" power? I guess it could be something like "3 shot DT instead of 2", but if it's something extra they get from an investigation that could be pretty drastic
I'm also still excited about thinking of a power for someone
It honestly depends on the type of power given. It will be a good thing nonetheless
Someone needs to make the "ultimate dt" reveals full role and alignment of the target, as well as who he targeted at night and who targeted him and how many uses of any limited use power are left. . Make the hosts *work* for the exta info! :-P
On August 13 2012 09:58 Zephirdd wrote: Man, the best thing about this concept is that we can play so much with it and movesets!
Think about if you had, say, Hitmonlee as the player you have to give your powers. Give him Endure, Hi Jump Kick, Foresight and Meditate.
Endure makes him survive ANY amount of KP regardless of the source for the night, leaving with 0.1KP of life in case he would die, but make him no able to be targeted for the next night Hi Jump Kick causes 1.5KP, but if the target is protected/avoids it somehow, user takes 0.5KP instead. Foresight makes target unable to be protected/avoid attacks for the next night Meditate adds an Attack and a Defense boost to Hitmonlee, boosting HJK by 0.15kp and reducing incoming KP by 0.15. You can only use one ability per night.
Like, I made this just right now. It's not incredibly strong since there is a drawback for every ability, and it's incredibly interesting.
Hopefully players in this game like Pokemon as much as I do to create interesting roles like that. Hopefully, everyone has 4 abilities LOL :D
On August 13 2012 20:22 Toadesstern wrote: Are we really able to give multiple "roles" to people? I know pokemon usually have 4 powers but I figured it's just one move we can give away. Like a charmander with flamethrower that does a bunch of damage. Giving 4 abilities would be way too much, unless of course it's 4 posting-restrictions.
Who wants to get the Bill Murray role? I think I can make that pokemon-ish as well.
There are things called Jacks of All Trades... also, this is PTP. You've played before, come on!
On August 13 2012 20:22 Toadesstern wrote: Are we really able to give multiple "roles" to people? I know pokemon usually have 4 powers but I figured it's just one move we can give away. Like a charmander with flamethrower that does a bunch of damage. Giving 4 abilities would be way too much, unless of course it's 4 posting-restrictions.
Who wants to get the Bill Murray role? I think I can make that pokemon-ish as well.
There are things called Jacks of All Trades... also, this is PTP. You've played before, come on!
I have never played PTP before, that's why I was hoping to join one :p
Wait, really?! I thought you've played before! As long the role is "balanced" it is good.
On August 13 2012 09:58 Zephirdd wrote: Man, the best thing about this concept is that we can play so much with it and movesets!
Think about if you had, say, Hitmonlee as the player you have to give your powers. Give him Endure, Hi Jump Kick, Foresight and Meditate.
Endure makes him survive ANY amount of KP regardless of the source for the night, leaving with 0.1KP of life in case he would die, but make him no able to be targeted for the next night Hi Jump Kick causes 1.5KP, but if the target is protected/avoids it somehow, user takes 0.5KP instead. Foresight makes target unable to be protected/avoid attacks for the next night Meditate adds an Attack and a Defense boost to Hitmonlee, boosting HJK by 0.15kp and reducing incoming KP by 0.15. You can only use one ability per night.
Like, I made this just right now. It's not incredibly strong since there is a drawback for every ability, and it's incredibly interesting.
Hopefully players in this game like Pokemon as much as I do to create interesting roles like that. Hopefully, everyone has 4 abilities LOL :D
On August 14 2012 16:46 strongandbig wrote: So what would you think about having a newer player? I bet I could get my brother to join, but he's only played one game of online mafia before.
Yeah that's fine, just give him a quick rundown of how the setup works
On August 20 2012 08:20 deconduo wrote: Scum KP is hidden.
Then scum only have the KP roles people made
Pretty much all I'm gathering from this
No that means Kp was balanced accordingly to the roles they got. That is so easy.
I honestly prefer my line of reasoning to that. Static KP means players become more important to others and gives trackers / watchers to have more power
Themed games are not an exception of "make setups fair" rule. That is just the usual cleaning hosts do. Role cops are the strongest roles out there pretty much , but given that you can make really strong roles I wouldnt be surprised if I have seen a Cop checking everything and so on .
On August 20 2012 08:33 Toadesstern wrote: I'll decide on wether or not I want to blast drazerk away tomorrow. Need some sleep.
For now, stop the bullshit speculations please. It's PTP after all. It's already hard enough to make set-up speculations in normal games although it's very much possible. In PTP it's ridiculously hard to a point that it's almost impossible.
See you tomorrow.
It is fun , come on dont try to shut down discussion without giving any new ideas. Your hesitation to deal with Drazerk is weird too.
On August 20 2012 08:33 Toadesstern wrote: I'll decide on wether or not I want to blast drazerk away tomorrow. Need some sleep.
For now, stop the bullshit speculations please. It's PTP after all. It's already hard enough to make set-up speculations in normal games although it's very much possible. In PTP it's ridiculously hard to a point that it's almost impossible.
See you tomorrow.
It is fun , come on dont try to shut down discussion without giving any new ideas. Your hesitation to deal with Drazerk is weird too.
At least I'm causing discussion which is normally horrible on day 1 T_T
Yeah but it seems like you are drawing a 6pool two days before MLG , damn you ActionJesus!
On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Hi all. I am town.
Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever!
But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules.
So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky!
Lynch bugs first?
Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...)
On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town
On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote: Hey. I'm town with blue.
On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Hi all. I am town.
Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever!
But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules.
So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky!
Lynch bugs first?
Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...)
Isn't that what we was doing other than beginning to create a genuine dislike for Toad?
I just like posting. Especially when I am not feeling like sleeping. Yo Grush wynaut post videos and text?
On August 20 2012 08:20 deconduo wrote: Scum KP is hidden.
Then scum only have the KP roles people made
Pretty much all I'm gathering from this
No that means Kp was balanced accordingly to the roles they got. That is so easy.
I honestly prefer my line of reasoning to that. Static KP means players become more important to others and gives trackers / watchers to have more power
Themed games are not an exception of "make setups fair" rule. That is just the usual cleaning hosts do. Role cops are the strongest roles out there pretty much , but given that you can make really strong roles I wouldnt be surprised if I have seen a Cop checking everything and so on .
What if I told you
you can create rolecop immune roles.
Shut up you wannabe Zapdos , you are nothing but a common pidgeon with eggs Zephir with double d's, pfffff
On August 21 2012 05:28 Kurumi wrote: Draz , your first post was a stunt ? Why ?
Because I could
Yeah I figured it was a scum motive, but not such a mindless one. Why would Toad hesitate to get rid of you?
I cause havoc and chaos which allows for scum to slip in unnoticed or he thinks I am a vengful townie or mad hatter who intentionally wants to die to kill people
Deconduo said that village idiots are bad idea. Oh well , off to Toad then.
On August 21 2012 23:49 Toadesstern wrote: I still want Kurumi dead the most
Nobody cares about a liar and scum like you so go cry to your goddaddy, maybe he will give you a damn candy. This post confirms that you are around and refusing to contribute on things like I just saw (allin , viscera) . Your case is laughable aswell. You lied about having a way to kill Drazerk (unless that metronome crap is a lie too) and hesitated to do so anyway. To add to this, you are claiming he is scum. Sorry man , get off my playground.
So as the Kiddyscumtoad case is closed , let me move on reading the rest of the pages , not the latest one and some looks at the rest and the Toad filter
Viscera , why are you pursuing a policy lynch and a guy who can flip medic ? That is pure scum agenda. You are also filling the thread with fluff , wbg's connection to allin is interesting aswell. Why so scummy my dear?
Oh , BC posted something about me too ! Dunno , my statement about cops was fueled by "you can check if people are lying" that was what I was thinking , so whatever . You look quite confident in your day one findings too Bc. Anyway that is all I do agree on all's case, but you can get it out from my stance on Viscera.
On August 22 2012 03:29 strongandbig wrote: yeah so who wants to lynch drazerk? I'll change if we can get enough people together but I'd rather lynch imallinson than dirkzor atm
Drazerk seems to know something about Meowth , also he seems to be suspicious of Toad and I am too. I still dont under-- hey Drazerk , is Viscera a one of a kind ?
On August 22 2012 00:20 Kurumi wrote: Viscera , why are you pursuing a policy lynch and a guy who can flip medic ? That is pure scum agenda. You are also filling the thread with fluff , wbg's connection to allin is interesting aswell. Why so scummy my dear?
My attack on Viscera is connected to his fluff spamming when imallinsonbwas attacked by bugs.
On August 22 2012 05:15 Toadesstern wrote: That's reasoning for calling someone your #2 scumread? Seriously? I guess I'll just leave it that way lol
He is on par with Viscera. I am sorry I am not devoting that much time because I am on a holiday. I am forgetting to write things. That aside , I agree with bugs . When it comes to Dirk , he raised nice points about Viscera , but thats the thing making him get a pass from me. I am also trying to post less, mostly because of Grush , Viscera raving and such. This is not usual playstyle so I forget about things . I usually write things as I read.
On August 22 2012 05:18 strongandbig wrote: the problem with kurumi is that when he does random ass shit for scummy reasons I can't tell if its just being a random ass shit doer or if its because hes scum
like, idk, with chezinu I get the impression he does it on purpose to troll everyone
with drazerk i get the impression he just does it out of some kind of themed-mafia-game tourette's syndrome, just for the sake of doing stuff
but i cant tell with kurumi
I can assure you that I am town. My role is maybe two tiers above Oracle ... I could just throw the towel but I wont. Blood will flow.
On August 22 2012 05:52 strongandbig wrote: i'm here
trying to think of something worthwhile i can talk to you about
looking through your filter it appears that you've posted one-line accusations against: - Drazerk - Toad - VE - WBG - imallinson
Do you still think all of those people are scum? If so, great we've found the scum team!
If not, which ones have you changed your mind on and why?
Drazerk feels like a village idiot to me. He is useful though because of his knowledge. Never attacked bugs , I support his case lol. Rest I still have scum read on , strongest on Toad. Equally decent on allin and Viscera.
On August 22 2012 06:47 HiroPro wrote: Whoever made Meowth should tell us what that role is. There is no reason for a townie to not have claimed the shot.
Why do you want that? More importantly why do you want to know this during the nightphase? What information would you gain from knowing meowth's full role other than "dude shot someone d1" ? Would it somehow help figure out mafia? Would it somehow help figure out who's really likely town? Would it somehow help figure out who to shoot / protect / DT / whatever else you got tonight?
I honestly don't think any of those questions would be answered with a yes, yet you asked for role-information rather than who meowth is. I just can't see a motivation in the question you just asked that is NOT mafiaagenda. At all.
Sad thing I bluffed with my KP power earlier the day, or did I ? I'd probably shoot you right now lol
I wanted it now because people are going to die during the nightphase; it's entirely possible that the creator of meowth will be shot.
The point is that it gives us information on a role that scum likely has and it prevents that person from making a fakeclaim with whatever their other abilities are.
I didnt really consider the possibilities that Drazerk did for not claiming and the role that says he's made makes anything like that pointless anyway.
The creator of a role is not allowed to talk about it until the role has flipped according to a mod-statement. Are you trying to get someone mod-killed? Why is it a role scum likely has? There has been a lot of talk about Meowth so far. Just picture him being some crazy shit like dayvig + bulletproof. Noone in their right mind would claim something like that because it would help mafia.
Besides: I shot our lovely hosts a PM and I'm totally not going to talk about what a host told me or publish a host-pm but I guess asking the right question might shed some light on some things like: a) Meowth b) VE That being said. I like both VE and Meowth right now, which may sound quite strange but I doubt any of those two is actually mafia although one shot the other.
On August 23 2012 03:16 Drazerk wrote: Oh and did I mention they have to publicly do this?
They are going to wait until they have at least 4-5 victims
So basically this has to be a scum role and to use it, scum has to publicly out themselves, and have a chance of it being wrong and none of it working, and then they just get killed for it?... Sounds so fake.
Well no because its infinite use so even if they get it wrong the first time they can just post again within the next second
So you could just spam the thread and guess every 151 pokemon for 1 person and then make them a VT no matter what. For sacrificing your life...
Theres a catch with spamming it - Trust me with this one.
Lets try this out. I am Butterfly and I can roleblock people and remove their resistances in one action. Your move.
On August 23 2012 04:14 Drazerk wrote: Probably unwise to use the role I actually made Kurumi
Ah yes Butterfree. You are not my master so deal with it. Also this role sucks and you should feel bad. Just look at that damn Diglett , it is better. Okay , I am better now.
On August 23 2012 04:14 Drazerk wrote: Probably unwise to use the role I actually made Kurumi
Ah yes Butterfree. You are not my master so deal with it. Also this role sucks and you should feel bad. Just look at that damn Diglett , it is better. Okay , I am better now.
Other than make yourself very vulnerable what was the purpose of claiming
Pff , I dont give a damn. I am close to Oracle once again, dying sounds cool. I am an useless role for town.
On August 23 2012 05:02 Toadesstern wrote: If that's a proper reason I guess we should tell our vigs to not use their power because they could kill a vet dt by accident. We should probably tell our medics to not medic someone because they could end up protecting a mafia. We should probably tell our dts to not check people because they could run into framed / miller / bussed / GF people
On August 23 2012 04:57 strongandbig wrote: that's totally not useless
use it on people you think vigs might target to make them not resist the vig shot
And make a vet dt die by an accident . Thats stupid. I am not using my role ever
this is like the dumbest post i've ever seen
My power is pure scum power. If I was a Framer with cancel resistance my power would be on par with Oracle. Maybe I will be able to roleblock a dangerous individual. There is too much risk for a potent weak reward.
On August 23 2012 04:57 strongandbig wrote: that's totally not useless
use it on people you think vigs might target to make them not resist the vig shot
And make a vet dt die by an accident . Thats stupid. I am not using my role ever
this is like the dumbest post i've ever seen
well duh. He keeps on posting stuff like that and everybody but me seems to be fine with him doing something like that. Same goes for Drazerk.
Why is it that it's totally fine for Kurumi to post something like that? Clearly he's not even joking around, which was the reasoning for lettimg him off d1 if I remember correctly, yet no one seems to care about what he posts...
So you think things I say are dumb and that is why I should be a lynch. Clap clap scum, maybe talk something about seeing us tomorrow?
I am not a vig , dt or medic for fucks sake , I am a roleblocker cancelling resistances. You are tunneling me since I started posting and you have never voted me. You made a case on me with purpose of making a case. Your entire argument was that I am overly active and not scared of anything. Interesting mafia traits, arent they? Well, as scum you need to make up ridiculous stuff so I understand. Peer pressure and stuff.
On August 23 2012 05:51 Kurumi wrote: I am not a vig , dt or medic for fucks sake , I am a roleblocker cancelling resistances. You are tunneling me since I started posting and you have never voted me. You made a case on me with purpose of making a case. Your entire argument was that I am overly active and not scared of anything. Interesting mafia traits, arent they? Well, as scum you need to make up ridiculous stuff so I understand. Peer pressure and stuff.
a rolblocker who is cancelling resistances is something that is less responsibility than something that kills stuff in my book. So yeah you're not a vig I get that.
I voted you. I voted you until 2 or 3 hours prior to the deadline and switched later on because sadly a Kurumi lynch was not happening. My bad.
I pointed out that you are defensive without a reason to be defensive. That's what I did. The reasoning is that you ARE scared like you just admitted with your role, like I said when I did the case talking about you being way to defensive without a reason.
Nah I lied about my role to help Drazerk. But he seems to be dying so
On August 23 2012 05:51 Kurumi wrote: I am not a vig , dt or medic for fucks sake , I am a roleblocker cancelling resistances. You are tunneling me since I started posting and you have never voted me. You made a case on me with purpose of making a case. Your entire argument was that I am overly active and not scared of anything. Interesting mafia traits, arent they? Well, as scum you need to make up ridiculous stuff so I understand. Peer pressure and stuff.
a rolblocker who is cancelling resistances is something that is less responsibility than something that kills stuff in my book. So yeah you're not a vig I get that.
I voted you. I voted you until 2 or 3 hours prior to the deadline and switched later on because sadly a Kurumi lynch was not happening. My bad.
I pointed out that you are defensive without a reason to be defensive. That's what I did. The reasoning is that you ARE scared like you just admitted with your role, like I said when I did the case talking about you being way to defensive without a reason.
Nah I lied about my role to help Drazerk. But he seems to be dying so
How did you know about it being butterfree?
Hey dont pressure me I am not that hard yet man , I am thin skinned , just look at Toad doing bad things to me
On August 23 2012 06:26 JingleHell wrote: Apparently I was wrong about Toad, though. Rat bastard scum. So, Kurumi, now that you were being chased by a confirmed scum, what's your thoughts?
Any thoughts on my Mattchew case? Speaking of...
##Vote Mattchew
My thoughts? Eh , everything that I knew so far. Some genius scum has decided to waste Toad's potential and make him tunnel me.
[QUOTE]On August 23 2012 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: -_- after seeing all those flips I want a new power. Reading thread now.[/QUoOTE] Is it Oracle tier?
On August 23 2012 20:52 Drazerk wrote: I struggle to see the reasoning behind that shot over the long list of lurkers and people like Grush / Kurumi etc
I guess a spam storm between BC / Wiggles was averted by his death which is a perk but I would of preferred it being a lynch so people would have had to pick sides with our vets
Why do you want to kill me still? Also there were two possibilities with BC : that he genuinely was mad at his role again and thus discouraged or he was underperforming scum. It was the first. Also his role was better than Oracle, yay! Now I am going to wait.
On August 23 2012 21:46 Drazerk wrote: Well that confirmed it you really are butterfree
No I am not. I am Bill Murray. Anyway Chez did nothing besides claim scum and share a laugh or two with bugs and wiggles about being scum together. Go figure. Eh with bc flipping town Wiggles' case results in a null. I do think Mattchew is a good lynch still. Hopeless is a great vig shot too.
On August 24 2012 00:18 grush57 wrote: Oh yeah, I made you're role BC I'm sorry, if I knew you only got 1 ability I would of gave you a cute puppy flamethrower leaserbeam eyeball!
It is not like I did not figure you picked his role. Shame on you.
On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles
Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me.
On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles
Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me.
Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man
also biosc where u been at man!
Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh.
He said he did not have that much of time d1 and I believe him. Look at bum's play. It was lackluster too. Kita was around, but did not try to grasp the thread. Same goes for pretty much every vet. Bugs started a lynch and was just there... The game is really passive. Wiggles made a jump today. I think Bc was killed by scum to incriminate Wiggles.
On August 24 2012 04:49 Dirkzor wrote: Kurumi: Explain to me exactly what changed since you voted Mattchew? You voted mattchew and now you believe mattchew made a good case against me and think I'm scum? So either I did something super scummy in the mean time or Mattchew became super townie I just don't understand what changed because his case didn't really reveal anything new...
While I think mattchew's case is nonesense (and not only because its made on me) I'm becoming more and more unsure about our whole situation. No one is really pushing the discussion anywhere which indicate that its mostly townies shouting at eachother much like it was D1.
I am confirmed town so I dont give a damn about you, but let me explain this to you: bc wanted you dead. The biggest fish is now dead and his enemy is in trouble. It is a feign just for you. Toad already slipped that you have a nice power.
On August 24 2012 05:06 Dirkzor wrote: And BC can't be wrong? Not ever... never ever... And toad didn't want to comment on Zephirdd - is he scum then? Toad didn't comment on allinson and he flipped town...
I feel like I'm repeating myself.
I think hopeless1der is scum.
Now you can all call me scum for that one. Night.
No no no , thing is Toad TALKED about you. He wanted you alive for no reason at all. Zephir is Town so you can suck it. Also your first sentence is a scum claim. Burn.
On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote: Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently?
Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not.
I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself.
Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts?
You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case.
I guess I just ninja'ed you.
Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough.
I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.
You aren't confirmed shit. You are most likely town but not confirmed but you should still read and think instead of just thinking: "A case... OKAY I'LL VOTE YEEHAAAAA"
Go to bed so your ashamed scumbuddies can start posting. I am confirmed. Ask Drazerk. Ask Zephy. Ask anyone with a brain what mindless tunneling on day 1 from scum means.
On August 24 2012 05:23 Dirkzor wrote: God you're a stupid one aren't you:
On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote: Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently?
Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not.
I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself.
Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts?
You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case.
I guess I just ninja'ed you.
Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough.
I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.
You aren't confirmed shit. You are most likely town but not confirmed but you should still read and think instead of just thinking: "A case... OKAY I'LL VOTE YEEHAAAAA"
Go to bed so your ashamed scumbuddies can start posting. I am confirmed. Ask Drazerk. Ask Zephy. Ask anyone with a brain what mindless tunneling on day 1 from scum means.
No one confirmed till they flip
Are you voting Dirk? Go do it man, we will get another one down.
On August 24 2012 05:23 Dirkzor wrote: God you're a stupid one aren't you:
On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote: Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently?
Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not.
I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself.
Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts?
You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case.
I guess I just ninja'ed you.
Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough.
I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.
You aren't confirmed shit. You are most likely town but not confirmed but you should still read and think instead of just thinking: "A case... OKAY I'LL VOTE YEEHAAAAA"
Go to bed so your ashamed scumbuddies can start posting. I am confirmed. Ask Drazerk. Ask Zephy. Ask anyone with a brain what mindless tunneling on day 1 from scum means.
No one confirmed till they flip
Are you voting Dirk? Go do it man, we will get another one down.
Why are people voting dirk over say, mattchew or heist?
Because mattchew wasnt defended by confirmed scum and is not the person bc kill was trying to divert attention from.
On August 24 2012 05:23 Dirkzor wrote: God you're a stupid one aren't you:
On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not.
I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself.
Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts?
You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case.
I guess I just ninja'ed you.
Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough.
I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.
You aren't confirmed shit. You are most likely town but not confirmed but you should still read and think instead of just thinking: "A case... OKAY I'LL VOTE YEEHAAAAA"
Go to bed so your ashamed scumbuddies can start posting. I am confirmed. Ask Drazerk. Ask Zephy. Ask anyone with a brain what mindless tunneling on day 1 from scum means.
No one confirmed till they flip
Are you voting Dirk? Go do it man, we will get another one down.
Why are people voting dirk over say, mattchew or heist?
Because mattchew wasnt defended by confirmed scum and is not the person bc kill was trying to divert attention from.
Its pretty WIFOM to say that the BC kill was done to get people to kill mattchew Scum could think people would think this to get off mattchew Or just kill BC because he was pushing the mattchew lynch the hardest.
Bc kill was to shed doubt on Wiggles, kill main person advocating Dirkzor lynch and good player overall.
On August 24 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote: Why are you all role claiming when KURUMI of all people has a VT laser...
I forgot HEY BITCHES ZEPHY IS SO COOL HE CAN BLOCK THE SUN AND THEN CREATE ANOTHER ONE! DOUBLE SUN POWER! Also I am Caterpie. Sue me.
I am braindead so I forgot that Draz made my role and I am the laser guy lol Obligatory hurt durr i am a horse Will try to get a photo of me with pants on my head
On August 24 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote: Why are you all role claiming when KURUMI of all people has a VT laser...
I forgot HEY BITCHES ZEPHY IS SO COOL HE CAN BLOCK THE SUN AND THEN CREATE ANOTHER ONE! DOUBLE SUN POWER! Also I am Caterpie. Sue me.
I am braindead so I forgot that Draz made my role and I am the laser guy lol Obligatory hurt durr i am a horse Will try to get a photo of me with pants on my head
Don't use harden It kills you even though it will say other whys
Yeah it would be good to evolve into that damn Metapod first
On August 24 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote: Why are you all role claiming when KURUMI of all people has a VT laser...
I forgot HEY BITCHES ZEPHY IS SO COOL HE CAN BLOCK THE SUN AND THEN CREATE ANOTHER ONE! DOUBLE SUN POWER! Also I am Caterpie. Sue me.
I am braindead so I forgot that Draz made my role and I am the laser guy lol Obligatory hurt durr i am a horse Will try to get a photo of me with pants on my head
Don't use harden It kills you even though it will say other whys
Yeah it would be good to evolve into that damn Metapod first
You will at the end of this cycle
Figured it was either surviving a hit or after night 2 That's cool. Thanks Drazzie <3 Though Magikarp evolved faster than me haha, probably because of kita
On August 24 2012 21:16 Drazerk wrote: The only thing making me hesitant is the fact we would need electrabuzz or jolteon to take down Gyrados but then again I don't believe the claim so why do I care
On August 25 2012 02:03 Hopeless1der wrote: So...it was fair to accuse wiggles of being scum for NOT trying to stop either wagon Day 1. I'm accused of being scum because I think we're lynching the wrong guy?
No you are accused because you were under suspicion and now you called Mattchew town before flip, gg
On August 25 2012 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote: Please put together an actual case if you want people to vote me. So we can look at it after I flip blue and decide whether or not to kick you in the face on my behalf.
Problem is you will not flip blue my dear. It is interesting only scum are so stingy about revenge. Townies know they will be avenged.
On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote: ##Vote:Mattchew
Lol active lurking Guys get off Mattchew. Now. We have random lurkers pop in and vote him and it is no good. Hopeless, your vote is on Wiggles - someone who does not look like a lynch candidate...
On August 25 2012 02:39 Hopeless1der wrote: How does saving Matt really get me towncred tomorrow? He lives, we're both scum. He dies, I'm scummy for trying and failing to save him. Be back in an hour or so. Please actually read through the defense I posted and tell me why its insufficient.
The point is you were here multiple times today, and decided to defend Mattchew in a huge post 3 hours before lynch. Even though you knew you were not voting mattchew hours and hours ago. You do this with not enough time to get majority to switch, therefore mattchew most likely gets lynched. If he flips scum, you can say your right. Your motive isn't to try and save someone you think is town, your motive is to make yourself look good. If you wanted to save him, you woulda defended him in the post where you voted for wriggles.
Also your reasoning for voting wiggles is piss poor. Got any more to add to it or is it just gut feeling?
Baby vote hopeless, Baby what the fuck why are you voting mattchew.
No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened
Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess)
Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.
TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch.
I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.
BTW this is why you are playing BAD if you are voting me
WBG and VE should know better. Especially WBG
Bum wa Voltorb and it is electric , bugs hopeless slipped bad and we need to lynch him, misder is vig food
No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened
Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess)
Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.
TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch.
I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.
BTW this is why you are playing BAD if you are voting me
WBG and VE should know better. Especially WBG
Bum wa Voltorb and it is electric , bugs hopeless slipped bad and we need to lynch him, misder is vig food
voltorb didnt have night kp, only day kp LOOK AT ME I READ THE ROLE PM'S!!!!1!!!!!!1!
Ooooh I did not grasp what you tried to say, sorry! Luv you <3
On August 25 2012 04:26 heist wrote: If you guys are contemplating switching off of Mattchew, why are you pursuing hopeless if his scum slip was defending Mattchew?
His scumslip was calling Mattchew town. Have you seen the flip? I did not.
On August 25 2012 05:28 Hopeless1der wrote: Screw the last minute will, I'll do this now:
I am Hitmonlee and I hit HiroPro with Quick Blitz Night 1. It should have dealt 0.5kp. I did not claim because he did not die, nor did he try to identify his assailant. I have no confimation of whether or not he took damage. My reasoning was that he was involved in the imallinson wagon but lurked the rest of the time and wasn't an active part of discussions. It was pretty much guaranteed that someone on that wagon was scum, and really, I just took a swing. I didn't breadcrumb my hit.
I think Mattchew is town, as I've already pointed out.
My read on wiggles is furthered by his inactivity since BC died. He said he'd look into who he wants to lynch, but didn't make a call there until significantly later than would have been useful. He disappeared from the thread and no one wanted to discuss him. He comes back in time to seal my fate and WIFOM his vote on me. Please look into him if/when I die.
Misder's return post is very scummy. See mementoss' filter for why. He also brought up shit about Jingle at the last minute when there is almost no chance of getting anyone to swap votes onto him. Look how much flak I took when I was trying to defend Matt. He's just flailing and being disruptive.
As random speculation, I think Jingle is town and Mementoss is scum. Gut feelings at this point. There seemed to have been very lackluster input from the vets today. Don't really know what to make of it.
Please grill me for whatever questions you have. I'll do my best in the next half hour.
On August 25 2012 05:34 Hopeless1der wrote: Further to my claim I hit Hiro, I didn't crumb ANYTHING, so...yeah, don't bother looking. Literally the first time he's in my filter is my claim.
My entire family from furthest cousins to grandgrandparents is laughing.
On August 26 2012 06:16 Mementoss wrote: Do you think WBG was a mafia kill? Cause I doubt heist was, unless there was some sexy medic actions last night.
On August 26 2012 06:28 Zephirdd wrote: Pretty sure our bulletproof medic protected someone who evolved.
I don't get the logic behind "wbg was a vet, so it was a mafia kill" but ok. Also heist had a pretty bad ability for someone claiming to have a shot day 1 -.-
Jingle, did you use supersonic on mattchew again? If so, why?
On August 26 2012 07:02 grush57 wrote: Sigh. STARSENSES PEOPLE STARSENSES. Anyways if I just lurked this whole game no one would even care. BIOSC!!!!@!@#@!$!@#$#!@$#!@#$!@#$!@#$
On August 28 2012 04:42 Misder wrote: I have BioSC as my highest scum read atm. I find that he didn't really care about either lynches at all. Also, continuously saying that his scumhunting is bad as a backup.
JingleHell, I've already made a case on. I still don't like his play. The fact that he's not really pushing my lynch besides saying that he wants me dead isn't helping.
Third on the list is Wiggles, although I'm really just sheeping everyone else. I find that his case on BC was actually decent, but if BC was setting him up, then it actually makes sense (BC pretending to be a weak target so that Wiggles, who already lost two scumbuddies, could make a play). Also, his play today isn't that appealing, as I was ready for Wiggles to get all up in my grill after yesterday. But then he talks about inactivity not being inherently scummy and all defense, no offense.
I can see a Dirkzor being scum, but unlike BC, I don't think it really makes sense for Dirkzor to be scum with Wiggles, as it's putting two scum pushing for the same lynch on Day 1, a bit risky I feel.
I also find it a bit suspicious that Zeph is defending me. Gut feeling tells me something is up, but I find his claim pretty townish.
Claim your pokemon and role and I will unvote you.
On August 28 2012 04:42 Misder wrote: I have BioSC as my highest scum read atm. I find that he didn't really care about either lynches at all. Also, continuously saying that his scumhunting is bad as a backup.
JingleHell, I've already made a case on. I still don't like his play. The fact that he's not really pushing my lynch besides saying that he wants me dead isn't helping.
Third on the list is Wiggles, although I'm really just sheeping everyone else. I find that his case on BC was actually decent, but if BC was setting him up, then it actually makes sense (BC pretending to be a weak target so that Wiggles, who already lost two scumbuddies, could make a play). Also, his play today isn't that appealing, as I was ready for Wiggles to get all up in my grill after yesterday. But then he talks about inactivity not being inherently scummy and all defense, no offense.
I can see a Dirkzor being scum, but unlike BC, I don't think it really makes sense for Dirkzor to be scum with Wiggles, as it's putting two scum pushing for the same lynch on Day 1, a bit risky I feel.
I also find it a bit suspicious that Zeph is defending me. Gut feeling tells me something is up, but I find his claim pretty townish.
Claim your pokemon and role and I will unvote you.
Why do you want everyone to claim?
So I can zap them if I think they are scum. Lying will be detected too!
On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote: Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again.
My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch.
On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote: hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.
##Unvote
What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor
I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol.
Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute.
I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons.
First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others.
Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it.
On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all.
On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles
Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me.
Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man
also biosc where u been at man!
Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh.
Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too.
Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.
In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"?
This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me.
Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say.
I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying.
Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now.
##Vote VisceraEyes
Makes sense to me.
And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great.
Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it.
##Vote Wiggles
Ahahahahahahahaha
Now that your here who do you think are scum.
VE is scum.
Day 1 he came out posting about policy lynching Grush. His reasons were not based on alignment. He put the onus of scumhunting onto other people, telling them it was their responsibility to convince him to lynch someone other than grush. Not convince him that their targets were scummier than grush, because his policy lynch wasn't based on grush being scummy, just that it would be better to try to lynch scum than a random person.
After he was rightfully called out on his posting, VE pulled a 180. Some kind of sentiment that VE was town was created, as he very quickly jumped in between three different targets, with only one of them being somewhat original. What puts me off about this, is how quick of a turn-around it was and how badly it reeked of wanting to appease the people out for his blood. First, VE didn't defend his policy lynch on Grush, he just jumped to accusing other people after being accused. As well, VE didn't just accuse one person and attempt to get them lynched, he made a big show of jumping in-between three different targets and saying that he thought all of them were scum. This looks a lot like he was trying to go, "Hey, look at me! I'm scumhunting!", especially when contrasted with his play earlier. So, it looks as though the sudden spurt in apparent scum hunting and effort was made to avoid pressure, which makes sense, since after Day 1 the pressure dropped and so did the contributions from VE.
After Day 1, the "scumhunting effort" from VE stopped. His play from then on has consisted of sheeping the lynch sentiment against myself and Misder while adding nothing of value to the cases against either of us. As pointed out by others, VE has been making promises of contribution, but has not been keeping them. Notably, making a case against either myself or Misder. As well, he failed to comment on either my case against BC or BC's defense and case against me while BC was alive. VE makes this post:
On August 23 2012 16:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Before I comment on your case Wiggles, what do you think of Dirkzor? You derped around and kept your vote on me all day while a townie got lynched, and today you don't even mention the counterwagon except as a footnote in your case on someone else. Do you think Dirkzor is town?
Saying he will comment on my case. However, even though he was in the thread for the next two or so hours, he never comments directly on the case either by myself or BC, even though he has clearly read them. He avoids taking a side in the conflict between us, which supports VE's general play this game of laying low and avoiding attention, especially if his team was already planning on using their shot on BC.
After BC dies, VE comes back and uses the death of BC to put a vote on me. However, read the post where he did so:
On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles
In this post, VE does not make mention of BC having a good case, or even agreeing with the case BC made against me. Instead he insinuates that the death of BC was a result of trying to get me lynched, and uses the fact that BC has flipped town as a point for people to sheep to in support of him. The point of this post isn't to say that BC made a good case and town should lynch for it, it's to try to manipulate people into voting me because BC wanted to. It relies on an appeal to authority and the assumption that because BC was town, he was correct. Coming from a player with as much experience as VE, this isn't a simple mistake in logic. It's an attempt to cash in on an emotional response to BC dying and flipping town to try to push a mislynch.
As for supporting meta, VE usually plays somewhat aggressively and is very outspoken, to the point where he is often lynched early into the game as he forces focus and attention towards himself. This is markedly different from how he has been playing this game, where he has played very passively and avoided attention. This difference could be explained with role considerations giving VE a reason to act as he is, but VE is not playing in a way that he is contributing to the town while maintaining a low profile, he is instead playing in a way that he only does enough to keep people off his back before sinking into passivity again.
Altogether, this makes him scum.
tl;dr I made a case before but decided to post it 1 hour before the deadline why also claim now
On August 28 2012 05:19 Dirkzor wrote: Can we kill VE? Go vote him. If he flips town I'll claim, Kurumi can zap me or whatever and you can all call me stupid (more then you otherwise would).
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey that's some good stuff the case is good furthermore 3 lurkers are voting wiggles, but I doubt they are all scum lol... just makes me uneasy
On August 21 2012 19:02 Dirkzor wrote: I logic is fine. You are scum. BC write "blah blah Dirkzor is scum". You think "Dirk os town - I'll agree without saying why or add anything of my own"
And you stopped defending yourself by now. All you do now are dismissing things you don't like.
I'll list up MY reasons for you being scum:
Taking the easy way out D1. (Targeting grush)
When pressured by S&B you suddenly change you stance and support his case on Drazerk.
You try to dismiss the votes on you as a wagon.
You attack me and wiggles when we voted you
Your reasoning for calling me scum (and voting) doesn't add up with the timeline of what actually happened.
You don't defend you dismiss.
So there you have it.
Repost because it is still valid.
This post is pretty much the reason I lean town on you a little... VE it is!
On August 28 2012 10:29 Zephirdd wrote: I'm pretty sure the reasoning is that he has a DT ability or that he created my role and knows exactly why I'm playing this way.
You claimed medic day one and I know it wasn't a bad play, so yes, I created your overpowered role!
On August 28 2012 22:53 Mementoss wrote: My night action didn't go through for the record either last night. I'm not claiming where or what it was so don't bother.
On August 28 2012 23:59 JingleHell wrote: Maybe people's powers all went batshit when Giovanni died and took his gym badge with him. We're all refusing to obey our trainers.
On August 29 2012 06:10 JingleHell wrote: Oh look, Misder, who Grush tried to sheep on while not coming anywhere near his town meta was scum. Kill Grush with fire.
##Vote Grush
OMG HE VOTED A SCUM, THEREFORE SCUM. JINGLEHELL LOGIC YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
active lurking defensive for no reason did jack shit this game yup can we have an instalynch ongrush? <3
On August 29 2012 10:51 austinmcc wrote: Odd, because I got a message that I took a little damage. That would mean I either got hit with something heavy or maybe an ineffective match between us so less protection?
I'd assume the following may have happened: 1. something disrupted my action and it didn't protect you(like, for instance, when mattchew said to shoot someone but it hit someone else) 2. I am not very effective against you, and that means I didn't protect you for the whole 1.0kp, which would mean you take a smaller percentage of damage 3. The attack did more than 1.0kp of damage and you took only a part of it 4. A combination of 2 and 3
On August 29 2012 10:51 austinmcc wrote: Odd, because I got a message that I took a little damage. That would mean I either got hit with something heavy or maybe an ineffective match between us so less protection?
I'd assume the following may have happened: 1. something disrupted my action and it didn't protect you(like, for instance, when mattchew said to shoot someone but it hit someone else) 2. I am not very effective against you, and that means I didn't protect you for the whole 1.0kp, which would mean you take a smaller percentage of damage 3. The attack did more than 1.0kp of damage and you took only a part of it 4. A combination of 2 and 3
what pokemon are you?
He is a Normal-type
So a normal typed veteran with medic abilities... hmmm.... I really can't think of what possible pokemon this could be...
Seriously Kurumi you pretty much outed the pokemon
On September 01 2012 04:32 Drazerk wrote: Maybe its just me but I don't understand why you'd ever risk yourself to protect a useless lurker like Misder
On September 01 2012 04:32 Drazerk wrote: Maybe its just me but I don't understand why you'd ever risk yourself to protect a useless lurker like Misder
On September 01 2012 06:20 Drazerk wrote: The devolution beam effected pokemon that didn't actually have previous forms when I sent it in so you might want to check that and if they changed that you really want to find out if it effects pokemon that have unevolved forms in the 2nd - 4th gen (EG pichu)
We don't want you firing it and then finding out its been changed to a point it doesn't work meaning you can't instead use ability 1 or 2
1 ability per cycle, eh? Kenpachi claimed snorlax the medic right? I can devolve him.
On September 01 2012 06:20 Drazerk wrote: The devolution beam effected pokemon that didn't actually have previous forms when I sent it in so you might want to check that and if they changed that you really want to find out if it effects pokemon that have unevolved forms in the 2nd - 4th gen (EG pichu)
We don't want you firing it and then finding out its been changed to a point it doesn't work meaning you can't instead use ability 1 or 2
1 ability per cycle, eh? Kenpachi claimed snorlax the medic right? I can devolve him.
On September 01 2012 06:51 austinmcc wrote: Another captured...almost confirms that we protected/hid from factional kills N2 and N3, yes? Seems quite lucky, perhaps N2 scum factional KPed mewtwo for the extra night life, and then someone's "too much sun" finished the job with another KP?
With my evolution I picked up dragon-type KP, but using it removes my vote the next day. Also, while I was Dragonair, whoever NKed me, or a random person voting for my lynch, got an item they could sell "for a power of their choice." I did not reveal that. As Dragonite it's no longer the case, sorry, no free powers.
Gonna look back over what's happened. We've got a LOT of useful information on these last couple pages. That's another mattchew shot that's off, another claim by hiro (dmg last night, rb tonight).
Kurumi and Draz feel like letting the class know what Butterfree's got? Can hide anything that REALLY needs hiding, but we've got a lot of powers to coordinate and might be good to know what's left.
Role Cop, Target-hits-someone-random and devolution beam which can devolve as many people as I damn want, but I need to be correct on every one of those. One per cycle.
On September 02 2012 06:35 Drazerk wrote: We all are...
Its why we are seriously considering him for todays lynch
Yup, that's a legit concern... but it is so weird, Mattchew claimed the shot, Hiro claimed the rb. Nobody protected Hiro, right? You'd need 2KP protection anyway...
On September 03 2012 00:35 Zephirdd wrote: for the record, i was hit but i don't know how much damage i took. in fact, i wouldn't know - I'm simply immune to nightkills(no point in hiding this when we are trying to figure out shots)
On September 03 2012 06:18 austinmcc wrote: Hopefully when the international ends we'll get more discussion overnight.
Right now I'm thinking I will hide instead of shooting. That way we'll have 1 or 2 medic protects for a small amount of townies, maybe we can block scum KP again. That way we'd have another pikachu shot and a lynch, hopefully hit scum with one or both, and things will be a little more clear tomorrow night. If I missed tonight, that would be both a townie down AND a vote down tomorrow because I lost my vote for the day after shooting, and I don't really want to risk that.
i think you should shoot kenpachi and i will shoot at zeph then we lynch grush
I devolved you just in case. Only zephir has his role and of course me ._. I think you are right about Grush ... He did not want to evolve because he wanted to survive... No one besides scum would play like that.
On September 07 2012 01:02 Mattchew wrote: Everyone needs to say who they are voting tomorrow I am voting kurumi and not shooting
You can't shoot for fuck's sake. I devolved you. Jingle, what was your motivation for using your power?
The occasions I used it? Keeping people I thought at the time were scum from doing what they wanted. Since understanding scum actions is a pure WIFOM thing anyways, it doesn't hurt to fuck with their plans. The only time I used it on a non-scum, it was on Mattchew, and we came out ahead from that one, since it killed Toad. At the time, I thought he was scum, after all.
The other two times I used it were both on Misder. No idea what the end result of that was.
That works. So how do we proceed? Kurumi Zephirdd JingleHell Mattchew If I were to lynch anyone it would probably be Zephirdd - no hard feelings man but you've done the least this game. I have some kind of weird gut feeling on Jingle based on his overreacting on being called out, but Drazerk's play.. But then, Drazerk plays kind-of-crazy. Mattchew is a lunatic. Not much to say here. Tomorrow it will be Zephirdd JingleHell Mattchew or
Zephirdd JingleHell Kurumi or
Zephirdd Mattchew Kurumi
Zephir can't die during the night... I'd like everyone to state who they are voting for tomorrow. I am voting Zephirdd.
Observations - Drazerk has voted every of his scum mates besides Toad, Mattchew is unknown. Jingle was either on the main wagon or some obscure guy Zephirdd voted obscure guys Mattchew voted obscure guys
On September 04 2012 03:27 Drazerk wrote: We don't know how scum KP works austin they could split it to do exactly this. I mean its stupid and silly and requires perfect knowledge from the scum perspective but its possible.
Sadly I really doubt Zeph protected you because lets face it he hasn't reading the thread - Is claiming he hasn't been using his powers and is all around useless meaning I only have my own word to explain that I didn't hit you with the KP with sucks.
Luckily I have Kurumi who can hit me with the laser if it really bothers you (It also stops them using scum KP which is really handy(Provided thats how scum KP works but I made with the presumption in mind ))
Of course there is the major issue of if he is hitting me and then somehow gets Grush wrong because he is a lying git (We're still hitting grush with the VT laser right?) then my plan doesn't exactly work and its probably best Mattchew shoots me to end any uncertainties and to be fair its not exactly like we have a long list of people we can shoot at (Me you mattchew JH Kenpachi and Kurumi are killable (You and Mattchew are confirmed leaving me JH Kenpachi and Kurumi to use the Vigi shot on (But then Mattchews only hits me for 0.5kp meaning he can't shoot me FUCK I didn't think this out at all T_T but its still stupidly hypothetical by this stage)))
also I clearly love parentheses
If it is a legit scum slip... and someone dies... there is no save... Zephir is scum.
sorry guys for my dissapointing play, holidays and fighting with myself you know
Okay Mattchew. No kill. That means: Zephirdd protected someone successfully Mafia did not shoot Drazerk's slip is correct and one of you/Jingle is scum. In my opinion it is between Zephir and Jingle.
On September 04 2012 03:27 Drazerk wrote: We don't know how scum KP works austin they could split it to do exactly this. I mean its stupid and silly and requires perfect knowledge from the scum perspective but its possible.
Sadly I really doubt Zeph protected you because lets face it he hasn't reading the thread - Is claiming he hasn't been using his powers and is all around useless meaning I only have my own word to explain that I didn't hit you with the KP with sucks.
Luckily I have Kurumi who can hit me with the laser if it really bothers you (It also stops them using scum KP which is really handy(Provided thats how scum KP works but I made with the presumption in mind ))
Of course there is the major issue of if he is hitting me and then somehow gets Grush wrong because he is a lying git (We're still hitting grush with the VT laser right?) then my plan doesn't exactly work and its probably best Mattchew shoots me to end any uncertainties and to be fair its not exactly like we have a long list of people we can shoot at (Me you mattchew JH Kenpachi and Kurumi are killable (You and Mattchew are confirmed leaving me JH Kenpachi and Kurumi to use the Vigi shot on (But then Mattchews only hits me for 0.5kp meaning he can't shoot me FUCK I didn't think this out at all T_T but its still stupidly hypothetical by this stage)))
also I clearly love parentheses
If it is a legit scum slip... and someone dies... there is no save... Zephir is scum.
sorry guys for my dissapointing play, holidays and fighting with myself you know
Sorry, Kurumi, but this smacks of an attempt to setup the NK-invincible medic to look scummy at MYLO, rather than taking a risk with survivors at LYLO.
On September 04 2012 03:27 Drazerk wrote: We don't know how scum KP works austin they could split it to do exactly this. I mean its stupid and silly and requires perfect knowledge from the scum perspective but its possible.
Sadly I really doubt Zeph protected you because lets face it he hasn't reading the thread - Is claiming he hasn't been using his powers and is all around useless meaning I only have my own word to explain that I didn't hit you with the KP with sucks.
Luckily I have Kurumi who can hit me with the laser if it really bothers you (It also stops them using scum KP which is really handy(Provided thats how scum KP works but I made with the presumption in mind ))
Of course there is the major issue of if he is hitting me and then somehow gets Grush wrong because he is a lying git (We're still hitting grush with the VT laser right?) then my plan doesn't exactly work and its probably best Mattchew shoots me to end any uncertainties and to be fair its not exactly like we have a long list of people we can shoot at (Me you mattchew JH Kenpachi and Kurumi are killable (You and Mattchew are confirmed leaving me JH Kenpachi and Kurumi to use the Vigi shot on (But then Mattchews only hits me for 0.5kp meaning he can't shoot me FUCK I didn't think this out at all T_T but its still stupidly hypothetical by this stage)))
also I clearly love parentheses
If it is a legit scum slip... and someone dies... there is no save... Zephir is scum.
sorry guys for my dissapointing play, holidays and fighting with myself you know
Sorry, Kurumi, but this smacks of an attempt to setup the NK-invincible medic to look scummy at MYLO, rather than taking a risk with survivors at LYLO.
You know what that means.
So you want to lynch me or Mattchew?
I rather clearly want to lynch you.
Bearing in mind the "captured" flavor we've seen twice, we can guess there's a chance Zeph has made some good saves this game. I still don't get a scum vibe off of him, his random shit would be in the QT if he was scum, rather than the primary thread.
Tactically, consider this: We were at MYLO without an NK. MYLO and LYLO are essentially the same at this point in time.
If you're scum, here's a couple of possibilities that would make what you're doing make sense. 1: You shoot Mattchew. Which would be bizarre, but it's possible. He gets saved. Still MYLO, 2 confirmed townies. 2: Same as before, but with me, same end result. 3: You shoot Mattchew, he dies, me and Zeph are the votes required to kill you, and we have town vibes on eachother so far. Bad for you. 4: You shoot me, Mattchew is practically confirmed, Zeph wouldn't vote for himself, you die.
None of those is a desirable situation for scum. So, you go with the safer play: You try to WIFOM Zeph into being scum, so that we mislynch him, giving you the game on a silver platter. You make that immediately prior to deadline post to help push the agenda.
Or I lied about wanting Zephir dead. He is bulletproof. So as long he is alive we should have a tie. But I want nice things. Like Scum Magnemite down. It's cool that you mention me for the first time ever in so important time.
On September 04 2012 03:27 Drazerk wrote: We don't know how scum KP works austin they could split it to do exactly this. I mean its stupid and silly and requires perfect knowledge from the scum perspective but its possible.
Sadly I really doubt Zeph protected you because lets face it he hasn't reading the thread - Is claiming he hasn't been using his powers and is all around useless meaning I only have my own word to explain that I didn't hit you with the KP with sucks.
Luckily I have Kurumi who can hit me with the laser if it really bothers you (It also stops them using scum KP which is really handy(Provided thats how scum KP works but I made with the presumption in mind ))
Of course there is the major issue of if he is hitting me and then somehow gets Grush wrong because he is a lying git (We're still hitting grush with the VT laser right?) then my plan doesn't exactly work and its probably best Mattchew shoots me to end any uncertainties and to be fair its not exactly like we have a long list of people we can shoot at (Me you mattchew JH Kenpachi and Kurumi are killable (You and Mattchew are confirmed leaving me JH Kenpachi and Kurumi to use the Vigi shot on (But then Mattchews only hits me for 0.5kp meaning he can't shoot me FUCK I didn't think this out at all T_T but its still stupidly hypothetical by this stage)))
also I clearly love parentheses
If it is a legit scum slip... and someone dies... there is no save... Zephir is scum.
sorry guys for my dissapointing play, holidays and fighting with myself you know
Sorry, Kurumi, but this smacks of an attempt to setup the NK-invincible medic to look scummy at MYLO, rather than taking a risk with survivors at LYLO.
You know what that means.
So you want to lynch me or Mattchew?
I rather clearly want to lynch you.
Bearing in mind the "captured" flavor we've seen twice, we can guess there's a chance Zeph has made some good saves this game. I still don't get a scum vibe off of him, his random shit would be in the QT if he was scum, rather than the primary thread.
Tactically, consider this: We were at MYLO without an NK. MYLO and LYLO are essentially the same at this point in time.
If you're scum, here's a couple of possibilities that would make what you're doing make sense. 1: You shoot Mattchew. Which would be bizarre, but it's possible. He gets saved. Still MYLO, 2 confirmed townies. 2: Same as before, but with me, same end result. 3: You shoot Mattchew, he dies, me and Zeph are the votes required to kill you, and we have town vibes on eachother so far. Bad for you. 4: You shoot me, Mattchew is practically confirmed, Zeph wouldn't vote for himself, you die.
None of those is a desirable situation for scum. So, you go with the safer play: You try to WIFOM Zeph into being scum, so that we mislynch him, giving you the game on a silver platter. You make that immediately prior to deadline post to help push the agenda.
Or I lied about wanting Zephir dead. He is bulletproof. So as long he is alive we should have a tie. But I want nice things. Like Scum Magnemite down. It's cool that you mention me for the first time ever in so important time.
Oh, I should, instead, have hedged my bets by calling every single person in the game scum at random times, rather than focusing on my targets?
You could always use our precious night time to post your thoughts! You voted to short the day. You showed up really quick after the day has started. HMMMMMMMMMMM WHY SO ACTIVE ALL OF SUDDEN
On September 07 2012 06:29 Kurumi wrote: Also if I were scum, I'd fucking devolve everyone and get rid of Zephir, move your head.
Oh, right, because we only know about that role courtesy of it's creator, a scum. How do we know it gets rid of passive abilities?
I'm not going to argue back and forth though, that can only benefit scum at this point, I've made a rather concise and valid point, the others can decide for themselves whether to agree with me, or with your OMGUS based on "lying" to "trap" me or whatever the hell you claim to have been doing.
I know that my role turns people in VTs if they are at the first stage of their evos. Vanilla Townie is a Vanilla Townie. You did not make a concise or a valid point. Still, I am more confirmed than your scummy ass hint hint GIOVANNI hint hint TOAD hint hint tunneling me
On September 07 2012 11:19 Zephirdd wrote: Jingle, thunder is normal effect vs thunder.
kurumi, didnt you devolve everyone you could so far? Why havent you devolved me ever? Why havent you considered I'm scum all game long? Was it just because you identified I was chansey?
how did you know I was town so early in the game?
finally, why is bussing(toad/you) not a possibility?
ps. I protected mattchew actually. I assume scum had some aggressive power that dealt over 1kp. I know that I dont have an agressive power. Kurumi himself confirmed that, by never claiming nor breadcumbing it(unlike how he did to my bproof ability).
We're out of options. Mattchew is confirmed, and kurumi looks worser than jingle atm.. ##vote kurumi
You claimed medic really early. That was to draw hits. I then knew you are Chansey. I then knew you are town because claiming wouldn't do that good (why try to draw hits on yourself when you can bet pn townies killing themselves?) Because I was getting mad at the game/toad? Not sure. Everything is always a possibility, but I never had much of thread presence so trying to make me look better is not something that I would consider a valid option. I did not devolve you because you are bulletproof medic. You lynch me, I flip blue, you protect matt and lynch jingle. Easy peasy. He cant interfere with the protect because I devolved him. The only scenario where I fucked up is you as scum. But I do believe you were busy, just as I was. So I am not worried at all. Kill me and the game goes on. Even if Mattchew is scum (close to impossible) it is a tie.