PTP3 - Pikachu's Revenge

On August 20 2012 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What people should instead be concentrating is scum and people trying to push scumish ideas. As Kurumi made the statement of role cops being the best form of cop he is obviously scum.

On August 21 2012 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Grush has never been interested in playing a game of Mafia that I've ever played in with him. I want him out of my town.

##Vote: grush

On August 21 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
There's useless and there's maliciously useless. I've never encountered someone with as little respect for his fellow players as grush, so I've never really been in a position to PL this kind of player before. Time and again grush proves that he's not only not interested in reading the thread, but he's also not interested in even posting coherently about the stuff he DOES read (which is generally the page of and prior to the latest post).

No, I'm done playing with grush until he can prove he's gonna actually play the game.

On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.

One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder.

On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:


It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.

On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote:
I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info?

On August 21 2012 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can kill Zephirdd too, honestly. His filter consists mostly of setup speculation, but this doesn't bother me as his love of the Pokemans is well documented. What bothers me is this.



There are a couple of things he could be doing here: he's either a medic claiming in the worst first post in TL town history, he's a townie who is NOT a medic and is attempting to draw roleblocks/NKs, or he's scum attempting something really profoundly stupid. From a strategic viability standpoint, I certainly HOPE it's the second one, but from a realistic standpoint and given everything else he's done in the thread (read: nothing) I'm inclined to believe that he's actually scum. He's almost certainly not a town medic, and if he is I hope I'm never town with him again.

On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:

Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not.

I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before.
Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself.

Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts?

On August 22 2012 07:20 Toadesstern wrote:

Why do you want that? More importantly why do you want to know this during the nightphase?
What information would you gain from knowing meowth's full role other than "dude shot someone d1" ?
Would it somehow help figure out mafia?
Would it somehow help figure out who's really likely town?
Would it somehow help figure out who to shoot / protect / DT / whatever else you got tonight?

I honestly don't think any of those questions would be answered with a yes, yet you asked for role-information rather than who meowth is. I just can't see a motivation in the question you just asked that is NOT mafiaagenda. At all.

Sad thing I bluffed with my KP power earlier the day, or did I ? I'd probably shoot you right now lol

On August 22 2012 20:56 Toadesstern wrote:
The creator of a role is not allowed to talk about it until the role has flipped according to a mod-statement. Are you trying to get someone mod-killed?
Why is it a role scum likely has? There has been a lot of talk about Meowth so far. Just picture him being some crazy shit like dayvig + bulletproof. Noone in their right mind would claim something like that because it would help mafia.

Besides: I shot our lovely hosts a PM and I'm totally not going to talk about what a host told me or publish a host-pm but I guess asking the right question might shed some light on some things like:
a) Meowth
b) VE
That being said. I like both VE and Meowth right now, which may sound quite strange but I doubt any of those two is actually mafia although one shot the other.

On August 23 2012 02:20 strongandbig wrote:


drazerk's thing doesn't hit you if you claim the role you received, it hits you if you claim the role you created.

On August 22 2012 07:15 Drazerk wrote:


I can think of a few -

Multi shot compulsive day vigi
Linked to another player (Lovers/Siblings (although more likely for Nidoran))
The fact there are roles out there that need names to kill people
The fact there are roles out there that need names to turn them green

There is probably more I can't think of right now but those are the ones that stick out in my head

On August 23 2012 05:27 Toadesstern wrote:

Kind of the other way around. I say the things you say are mafia oriented, therefore they're stupid.

On August 24 2012 00:43 Kurumi wrote:

Me neither. I am pretty sure this was Town KP.

On August 24 2012 06:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well, that accusation came out of left field. I'd love to hear more about why I'm scum when you have a moment dirkzor.

On August 24 2012 10:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually there is ONE case in which Mattchew is not lying:

Wiggles is a pokemon type that takes half damage from electric types.

On August 24 2012 10:51 Mattchew wrote:

?

On August 24 2012 11:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hurray for claiming!

I think Mattchew is stupid for not understanding the KP mechanics, but ultimately town.

There's the crumb for his shot, or as close as I could find.

I'm waiting on dirk to tell me why he thinks I'm scum
I think wiggles is my lynch of choice for today, as he has got off entirely too easy following the hit on BC. He got some breathing room and he comes back with a strong defensive post but doesn't know who to vote yet, or who he suspects. He also won't go after bugs anymore even though the Day1 wagons were supposedly started by scum.

##Vote:Mr.Wiggles

On August 24 2012 10:29 HiroPro wrote:
Wiggles, why did you leave your vote on VE even after the shot and when it was clear that he wasn't up for lynch?

On August 26 2012 08:41 Mementoss wrote:


Your pretty useless this game, do you usually play like this I don't remember.

On August 26 2012 12:47 Mementoss wrote:


I never said I thought he was town I was questioning grush's reasoning for voting him

On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:


What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor

On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all.

On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"

That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all.

On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.

Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...

I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.

##Vote: Wiggles

On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:


Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too.

Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.

In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"?

This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me.

On August 28 2012 00:15 Zephirdd wrote:
I don't get where the whole misder thing came from. I mean, what's the difference between Misder, BioSC, grush...?

I will not believe a scum team would go as far as hitting an ally for 0.5kp, leaving him vulnerable, just to bus him. I don't believe VE is scum.

How is dirkzor still alive?

On August 28 2012 04:27 austinmcc wrote:

I caught the first couple days secondhand, so some of the timing may be missing, but:

• I got a townie feel from the start of his D1 play. Seems to be playing the game, responding to votes on him, making some dumb comments, asking some good questions. The grush stuff was meh, but not necessarily scummy meh.
• His case on zephirdd doesn't super-convince me, but doesn't feel forced.
• Concerning his claim of taking a shot, there was initially some thought that him saying it wasn't effective helped us deduce his type. I don't think it does...yet. None of the flips have included effectiveness modifiers, so perhaps we don't get to see them? If anyone HAS seen effectiveness attached to KP, they should speak up, because it might point to VE's type.
• The dropoff in activity concerns me, especially because he was active early. Prolonged swings in activity (not explainable by work/night out/etc.) do worry me.

I'm still much more convinced about Wiggles atm. I remember almost being convinced by Wiggles's defense in LV, and so haven't been fully responding to him in this game. I did go back and look at some past games, draw some conclusions, but right now I think there's enough to lynch him without having to derail the thread going back and forth with more in-depth analysis than is out there. I think BC's case was alright, I know BC was town, I am trusting that BC is a good townie, and I have my own suspicions.

If Wiggles flips red, then VE looks a little more interesting to me. Could see D1 being Toad/Wiggles distancing themselves from VE (Toad and VE at odds, Wiggles votes VE and left his vote on VE). Toad dying N1 unexpectedly (if we assume pikachu kp + redidrection from supersonic) sort of lessens the value of that plan. The dropoff in activity COULD be because they were active to set up that distancing, then had the scheme ruined with Toad's death and so no longer needed to be active in order to plant that idea in people's heads.

So right now, I'm not worried. If Wiggles flips red, I'll be a little more worried, but a Toad/VE/Chez/Wiggles scumteam seems a little stacked. That's another reason I'm not liking VE for scum, because it certainly seems like SOMEONE out of heist/misder/BioSC/hiropro (yes, you're included there for me) should be scummy, and then that'd most likely be the full team (although there could still be more third parties).

On August 24 2012 09:02 BioSC wrote:

With the flip of BC, I feel like it was 2 townies going at each other, with a mafia kp in there to try and get a mislynch. So I can't really read one way or the other on Mr. Wiggles right now based just upon that.

On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:

Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it.

##Vote Wiggles

On August 28 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
I killed BC. Would scum tell you that?

On August 29 2012 03:08 Mementoss wrote:


im talking about night 2

What happened to mattchew's shot on wiggles? Scum medic? Redirected?

On August 29 2012 07:08 grush57 wrote:

?

On August 30 2012 02:24 austinmcc wrote:
Mafia Factional KP

Hiro, why do you think this? If this is the case, which of the NKs would you think are mafia shots?

On August 11 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
Also the Mafia are required to select a player(s) to carry out their Night Kill(s). This KP Will be effected by type effectiveness.

On August 30 2012 09:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, food for thought: I'm an invincible DT.

On August 31 2012 03:47 Drazerk wrote:
Wait how did someone manage to possibly find the flavour to make snorlax a medic?

I say that and we have a hitmonlee who wields key blades...

I honestly prefer a Grush lynch over Wiggles

On September 01 2012 04:24 Kurumi wrote:

Who should die after grush?

On September 01 2012 06:36 Mattchew wrote:
My static rb'd hiro how did he not die

On September 01 2012 04:09 BioSC wrote:
I created the slowpoke role, Hiro claimed the pokemon, but not the role as of yet. I can confirm that it doesn't have any KP, though. (unless of course its scum)

On September 02 2012 07:40 Drazerk wrote:


Considering the lynch was between you two (And maybe grush) it seems logical to delay your death so he can survive another cycle

On September 02 2012 09:28 austinmcc wrote:

Okay wait.

Kenpachi has a NIGHT(?) ability. To activate, he sacrifices .25 HP?

After doing so, he assigns ... like a body double to someone, and the body double absorbs .25 KP*Effectiveness IF the target takes less than .75 KP damage, and the full KP from one shot if they take more than .75 KP damage?

Kenpachi has no way to recover hp after doing so? Kenpachi has no restrictions on how often he can use that ability?

On September 02 2012 09:38 austinmcc wrote:

This
is still slightly odd, since VE died D3 and was not alive N3, but it doesn't feel killably odd?

On September 03 2012 05:22 austinmcc wrote:

Wat.

Can't tell if trying to save self or serious.

On September 03 2012 05:52 austinmcc wrote:
No. Sorry Hiro. You felt off early

On September 03 2012 06:03 austinmcc wrote:
When put like that, yes. But I explained it more fully earlier.