EPTIt's terrible play as scum or town though.
Like I said above, I don't really see anything to make me think dirkzor is town but he doesn't seem as scummy to me as VE's whole "policy lynch grush" thing or Drazerk's "let's find the KP roles" thing.
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It's terrible play as scum or town though. Like I said above, I don't really see anything to make me think dirkzor is town but he doesn't seem as scummy to me as VE's whole "policy lynch grush" thing or Drazerk's "let's find the KP roles" thing. | ||
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because you continue to push the policy lynch even though grush is banned isn't here to show whether he is willing to change his behavior, leading me to conclude the "lynch" is more important to you than the "policy" because you mischaracterized my drazerk case in a pretty weird way that indicated you hadn't really read it, then backpedaled when called out on it because of the other avoiding-commitment and backpedaling-ish and avoiding-scumhunting posts you made while you were pushing the grush lynch (ie, the one where you're surprised that no one was insta-voting you because of the policy lynch but then you still support the policy lynch despite expecting people to insta-vote you for it; the one where you say you'll consider other people's cases but only if your grush policy lynch doesn't work out) | ||
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(if a vig shot is available then using that on a policy question is better for town than using the lynch, because you can't really do behavioral analysis on the votes on a policy lynch) | ||
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On August 21 2012 22:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so I'm wasting my time here. Neat. Next time I have an unconventional problem I'll come up with a more conventional means of handling it. Lesson learned. You guys enjoy the rest of the game! For the record, I didn't do my pokemon justice - I wasn't feeling very creative when I made it and was depending on the rest of you guys to come up with the good stuff. Judging from my role, you didn't disappoint. what the crap is this man... Are you saying you're ragequitting like bugs did last game? Or are you claiming your role has some kind of restriction or condition that makes you die somehow, like drazerk did in holy roman mafia? seriously, what's with this post? | ||
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On August 21 2012 23:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It was me giving up trying to discuss anything with you because your mind is made up. Now I have to flip before you'll shut up about it, and I'm saying that I'm aware of that and concede that nothing I can say is going to convince you otherwise. So good job Big. You caught a townie. Hopefully your aim improves if you're town. MMkay as long as you're not ragequitting the whole game. So VE you're still on my "maybe scum" list but I want to go for a lynch that will hit scum this time around, and I'm starting to feel better about imallinson. A few things: On August 21 2012 22:19 imallinson wrote: The other thing I noticed about what Dirk said about my previous games is that he seems to agree fairly strongly with my being scum, even adding his own argument against me (the meta stuff) but doesn't actually back it up with a vote. This looks a lot like someone trying to push the vote onto an easy target but not actually committing to it himself. Essentially parroting VE in his argument with dirkzor. + Show Spoiler [an aside] + IMO the argument that "you thought someone was scum but didn't vote for them yet" is pretty terrible. The threshold for voting changes as you get closer to deadline, and it's also tactical, and it's also pressure. Just because you find someone convincing doesn't mean they're scum. On August 21 2012 23:55 imallinson wrote: I know my case against SaB isn't great and at this point I think I'm just going to drop it. At the moment I'm trying to figure Dirk out because I'm still not convinced that it was an honest mistake and in general he is acting quite scummy. As for hopelessder I agree that the ninja vote is suspicious but until he actually is here and can defend it nothing can be done to further that cause. I don't like this one bit, the bolded part. On August 22 2012 00:47 imallinson wrote: Well I have to go out and I'm not sure if I will be back before the deadline. I've tried to defend myself as best as I can. As for who I think is scum, I'd go for either Dirk or hopeless just from bad/weird posting that strikes me as scummy (Dirk for wagons and I'm still not convinced of his mistake. Hopeless because of the ninja voting and not providing a good reason for it). Out of the two I still think Dirk is the more suspicious and vote for him. ##Vote: Dirkzor "defend myself as best I can" = like one sentence, then making a case on me, then jumping in on VE's argument with dirkzor. okay. ##unvote: VE ##vote: imallinson | ||
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On August 22 2012 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: So do you disagree with my case on Zeph SnB? Because you haven't even mentioned it as existing, in spite of your read of me lightening. I've posted it twice to try and get our fucking attention with it, and you still haven't even acknowledged it. i only have like one minute before i have to leave to catch the bus i agree that his medic claim was retarded and i like that you brought it up the fact that he stuck with it later seems to indicate it wasn't just doing shit for the sake of doing it but I'm not sure why you conclude he's scum and not trying to draw nk's idk, i could see him being scum but i'd rather lynch imallinson or drazerk i was just thinking about drazerk, he's said in this game "don't claim type" and then claimed type, and he's said 'i always justify my actions" but iirc he hasn't justified claiming type yet. | ||
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On August 22 2012 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Although for the sake of argument...how many times uave you seen me push a policy lynch? thats not the way you draw and waste scum bullets thats the way you draw and waste town bullets | ||
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On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote: If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. i've seen mattchew play a very passive scum game in the apst as well. | ||
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like, idk, with chezinu I get the impression he does it on purpose to troll everyone with drazerk i get the impression he just does it out of some kind of themed-mafia-game tourette's syndrome, just for the sake of doing stuff but i cant tell with kurumi | ||
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trying to think of something worthwhile i can talk to you about looking through your filter it appears that you've posted one-line accusations against: - Drazerk - Toad - VE - WBG - imallinson Do you still think all of those people are scum? If so, great we've found the scum team! If not, which ones have you changed your mind on and why? | ||
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Didn't you just make yourself vulnerable to the VT laser though? I think you are both high scum likelihood and also terrible so I for one would argue that if the person with the VT laser is town, they should use it on you. Actually let's talk about the "terrible" part. You consistently say that you need to be vigged before lylo because you're not willing to play in a way that establishes your innocence and helps town. Why should you not be vigged tonight instead of later in the game? What do you bring to town that's helpful now but not helpful later? Also I want to mention that this is by far the most constructive play I've seen out of grush. It's like he's actually engaging with the thread or something, I like it! | ||
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- First, his filter is tiny. I would expect a semi-vet to be more involved. (I use semi-vet as a catchall for anyone more experienced than me, idk if wiggles actually counts as a veteran in the toad/ve/BC sense.) On August 20 2012 10:11 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Too bad he's banned. I always hate when people throw around the word "confirmed". I think I'm going to promote policy lynches on those people in the future.  Also, I don't think we should reveal too much at this point in the game. Even something as simple as trying to tell someone your pokemon type can be disastrous. Say someone can do 0.5 KP in damage, but they're a fire type and know you're a grass type. Now they can just kill you if they want, instead of only damage you, because it will be super-effective. So, I'm going to say that if you're smart, it's a god idea to not breadcrumb things about your role/pokemon/type. First, it does nothing to support your claim later, and second, it can give scum an advantage against you. This isn't to say don't crumb things like checks, just things related to flavour or role abilities, because it will only hurt. It doesn't help in normal games, and with these mechanics, it will cause harm. Wiggles posted a lot during the early speculation phase. He seemed especially focused on the whole "entering the thread by claiming you're town" question. But he never really came back to it later on, or explained why it was important to the thread or how it helped find scum. But here's what I re-e-eally don't like. On August 21 2012 16:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: ##Vote: VE I'm putting my vote on you until you can show me you care about killing scum or I find a better lynch target. @Draz: If you could single-handedly choose the lynch right now (choose a player to kill), who would it be, and why? Please give me your reasoning for who you chose. Wiggles expressly put his vote on VE as a pressure vote. He said his vote would be on VE until VE started scumhunting or until a better target showed up. Now, I also thought VE was scum. I still think he might be scum. But the thing is, he actually started scumhunting later on in the thread. Whether or not you think it was genuine scumhunting is the important question to figure out VE's alignment. But that's not the point Wiggles was making. He never posted again about VE's scumhunting attempts, or about the other potential lynch targets. Moreover, we know he was in the thread at least twice after that - after the Meowth shot, arguing that the shooter should claim it, and an hour or two after that to push his question at Drazerk. However, he leaves his vote on VE, without any comments about the change in VE's behavior or about the two main lynch candidates we had - who I would argue were, at that point, both "better lynch targets" in that they actually both had a chance to be lynched. If wiggles thought either of them was more townie than the other, his responsibility as a townie would have been to tell us and use his vote on the scummier one. Keeping his vote on VE without explaining it in the context of VE's later actions, and not commenting on the actual lynch candidates even though he was actually in the thread posting, makes me think Wiggles may be scum. | ||
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On August 22 2012 20:56 Toadesstern wrote: The creator of a role is not allowed to talk about it until the role has flipped according to a mod-statement. Are you trying to get someone mod-killed? Why is it a role scum likely has? There has been a lot of talk about Meowth so far. Just picture him being some crazy shit like dayvig + bulletproof. Noone in their right mind would claim something like that because it would help mafia. Besides: I shot our lovely hosts a PM and I'm totally not going to talk about what a host told me or publish a host-pm but I guess asking the right question might shed some light on some things like: a) Meowth b) VE That being said. I like both VE and Meowth right now, which may sound quite strange but I doubt any of those two is actually mafia although one shot the other. I interpreted that as "you can talk about the role you made once any role has flipped" not "you can only talk about the role you made after that specific role has flipped" | ||
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I don't see much to convince me you're town but I also don't see anything that makes me want to lynch you straight off, as opposed to (for example) wiggles or drazerk. also of note: it's interesting that every post you've made of more than one line has been a response to VE. Do you still think Dirkzor is scum? | ||
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On August 23 2012 01:58 HiroPro wrote: It's not the fact that Meowth didn't claim their role - it's the fact that they didn't claim the shot. It shows that they likely don't want to take responsibility for it. Even the role you suggested would have no problem announcing that they fired a shot. Its not like that would force them to claim their full role. Now if they thought like Drazerk did, then maybe I could see why they wouldn't claim shooting. drazerk's thing doesn't hit you if you claim the role you received, it hits you if you claim the role you created. | ||
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so wait the hosts let you make a role that instantly de-role-ify anyone who roleclaims? I... don't think that's true. | ||
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