PTP3 - Pikachu's Revenge - Page 3

On August 24 2012 05:26 Kurumi wrote:

Go to bed so your ashamed scumbuddies can start posting. I am confirmed. Ask Drazerk. Ask Zephy. Ask anyone with a brain what mindless tunneling on day 1 from scum means.

On August 24 2012 05:38 Kurumi wrote:

Are you voting Dirk? Go do it man, we will get another one down.

On August 24 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:

Because mattchew wasnt defended by confirmed scum and is not the person bc kill was trying to divert attention from.

On August 24 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote:
You read hopeless's games right, dirk? Why didn't you mention any of them when you say that he's scum?

On August 24 2012 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
Still on that. So far I think wiggles is scummiest of the three.

On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:

I guess I just ninja'ed you.

Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3.
Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough.

I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.

On August 22 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
mementoss what's your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson?

On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote:
How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?

Also I am a medic. Go figure.

On August 22 2012 07:27 Zephirdd wrote:

On the meowth thing:
I believe it was town KP. Why? Because I wasn't targetted. but then, so many people outing my fucking draw-shots strategy could have spoiled it huh. I'm still a medic and I'll still protect someone tonight, don't worry. Also, I may have claimed medic because I knew the strategy would be spoiled so scum would never shoot me WHAT NOW SCUM HUH COME ON SHOOT ME ohwait you will not WIFOMWIFOWMIFOM TAKE IT SCUM anyway

Anyway, it may have been scum KP but I'm willing to believe it was town. If there was no claim, it is very well possible that there is a reason hidden on his role - like, maybe he can't claim. I don't know, but I see no reason to shoot VE specifically.

On August 23 2012 11:34 Zephirdd wrote:


[Insert random wifom comment about how that was made to implicate me and make a mislynch]

I can't say you're wrong either, even if I know I'm town; but I can say it could have something to do with Dirkzor. Problem is: I found his logic to look fine during your exchange, but you did counterargue it nicely and I don't recall him doing it back. If he did, I didn't see it.

On August 22 2012 07:27 Zephirdd wrote:
So... I guess I am late @_@ long day at work. I didn't read much on imallinson at the time of my last post so I don't know if I'd have thought he was a good lynch or not. I was busy looking at VE at the time.

On August 23 2012 11:01 Zephirdd wrote:

Sup hopes. Had a crazy day at work today. Some kiddo thought he could take down the whole company because he lost 4 bucks on his cellphone. As if he was anyone at all. Crazy huh? So yeah, I now got a job that gives no free space. once in a while I can give a look at the thread, but writting anything would be useless(even now when I can come back to the thread it isn't very helpful, but I'm trying).

On August 23 2012 11:11 Zephirdd wrote:
...I don't think my "make connections" thing is working out @_@ I'm tired as fuck too.

On August 23 2012 11:11 Zephirdd wrote:
Dirkzor's only mention of Toad:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357&currentpage=19#365

(he also mentioned it on a list of voters but it doesn't matter)

Reading Toad's filter, he is also always "I'm meh on him" or "I don't know". You see, that's the kind of stuff that scum partners say to each other when they don't want to lynch an ally. There was a pretty big distance between Toad and Dirkzor, and I don't think it was unintentional.

On the same way though, I can't give much insight on it. The fact that it is so hard to find interactions of Toad/VisceraEyes on toad's filter(because Ctrl+F'ing 'VE' is stupid) isn't helping me; VE, do you happen to know if Toad had some kind of fight with you for you to warrant that shot? Why would he shoot you at that point in time?


...I don't think my "make connections" thing is working out @_@ I'm tired as fuck too.

On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:

I guess I just ninja'ed you.

Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3.
Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough.

I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.

On August 23 2012 09:49 Kenpachi wrote:

VE is probably town.
what are the chances hes mafia with toadesstern twice now

On August 22 2012 20:56 Toadesstern wrote:

The creator of a role is not allowed to talk about it until the role has flipped according to a mod-statement. Are you trying to get someone mod-killed?
Why is it a role scum likely has? There has been a lot of talk about Meowth so far. Just picture him being some crazy shit like dayvig + bulletproof. Noone in their right mind would claim something like that because it would help mafia.

Besides: I shot our lovely hosts a PM and I'm totally not going to talk about what a host told me or publish a host-pm but I guess asking the right question might shed some light on some things like:
a) Meowth
b) VE
That being said. I like both VE and Meowth right now, which may sound quite strange but I doubt any of those two is actually mafia although one shot the other.

On August 22 2012 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could feasibly work with Toad, but he tends to disagree with just about anything I say seemingly because it's me saying it. Not anything from this game in particular, just something I've noticed when we're in games together (it's one of the reasons our LI shenannies were so believable, actually).

On August 23 2012 10:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



Because he has done nothing useful (so far) to help the town in any way. To come out and say "i found blah as town and I think blah is town" is great. You know who likes finding town? or more specifically, differentiating town from third party or town from mafia? Not fucking townies.

Saying your green reads is awesome, but if you don't state your red cases with actual reasons and instead just hop on wagons / spout green reads you are likely not town.

On August 23 2012 22:53 Dirkzor wrote:
Bah just erased my post =(

I don't have much time today and I just want to put some thought about what have happened since I last posted. It might get a bit all over because I don't know when I'll get back to the thread so bear with me.

While reading the whole Wiggles vs BC "battle" i initially thought BC came out looking worst (and thus Wiggles looking good). I also thought that both might still be town since I earlier had a townread on BC.

About the hit on BC. Why haven't anyone claimed it? Is it the same as I think happened day1 with toad hitting VE? That it was actually scum who hit him while some thought he was scum. It would be the perfect way to hide the amount of KP used on town/scum side. Still pondering if it would be beneficial for us to press a claim on the BC hit.

Talking about VE. I don't think he is scum anymore. The hit Toad performed on him d1 jsut doesn't add up as a bus. Such an early and very aggressive bus seems unlikely.

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+ Show Spoiler [Jingle's case on Mattchew] +

Great case that looks almost exactly like the one I made before you. =/ You start you case with "Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit." and the continue to repeat what I already wrote earlier. That in it self is weird, but the fact that you make a case because "someone accused you" is a scum way of thinking. Why not make a case to maybe... you know... catch scum?

Talking about Mattchew:


Best post so far

I thought I agree that Mattchew is scum (a bit less after how JH started his case) I'm quite sad to see WBG vote with no reason whatsover. Can you explain why you think he is scum?
Same goes to Kurumi who just ninja voted him (although he did state he found matt scummy).

On August 24 2012 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad wouldn't feel threatened by me no matter what I'm saying. He's like Bugs in that way. Toad shooting me was never about me dying...it was about either my reaction or the thread's reaction to my reaction.

Mementoss, that was a colossal effort, is there anything you'd like to know from me? I know I'm light on contribution but to be honest I'm having a hard time keeping up with everything. The fact that you're claiming I'm the key to some things is pretty intimidating - mainly because I'm so lost myself. I'll help out in any way I can.

On August 24 2012 10:02 JingleHell wrote:


What do you want me to do more of? I've contributed on Mattchew, and I haven't really got any other clear reads right now. So if I see someone say something that sounds scummy, I chip in, but I'm trying not to clutter the thread.

By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though.

Due to the fact that this may sound slightly off, if you feel the need to flip me and make sure I'm telling the truth, just remember me when I'm gone and blue.

On August 24 2012 23:48 Zephirdd wrote:


lmao. Let this be registered as my breadcumb for my role then. Although my breadcumb is in my first post.

Anyway,
Since I don't want to be on the wrong straw of the lynch before the deadline, and hooray work, Mattchew it is!

##unvote
##vote Mattchew

On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote:
Hi again.

Day 2 post- the only thing of importance (besides the fact that two people flipped scum) is the flavor of the kills.

BC vs Wiggles into BC getting dayvig shot- I had BC as scum at the end of Day 1, so I don't believe it's that bad of a shot if it was a town dayvig. (Though obviously, it could be a scum dayvig that wanted to get rid of a vet...). Same thing as before, can't really tell the alignment of the shot. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the case though, which leads me to believe that he's town.

I also have WBG as town, though I haven't looked carefully at his filter yet. I just get a town vibe from him.

Also VE is town. Drazerk's posting has gotten way better, making me think he's town as well.

Mattchew is interesting. When I played with him before GMarshal's PYP, he did the exact same thing he did day 1 when he was town (pointing fingers without backing stuff up, and posting one-liners all the time aka being scummy). If I was going to vote on meta, I would say that Mattchew is a bad lynch target. But I'm not, so ##Vote:Mattchew.

Also, there's a JingleHell v Mattchew and a Mattchew v Dirkzor thing going on (where the first person is the one attacking).

As for JingleHell, I was actually writing a case on him but it stopped when I read the post where he claimed a role. That claim seems out of the blue, which I don't know if scum would do. He's obviously being more productive though (pushing a Mattchew case) so I don't mind him being alive for now.

I feel like lynching Dirkzor would clear up a lot of stuff though, and I still think he's being scummy. But Mattchew works too.

On August 25 2012 02:30 Mattchew wrote:
Lol hopeless is so right that its scummy. His whole post reeks of told you so shit also look at dirks indecisiveness in his voting of me....

And to everyone, no you aren't lynching bad town, lol keep calling my play bad but not supporting that at all. My Case on dirk has been completely ignored in analysis

Yeah and if you believe I am pikachu and you are still voting me I can't stress how dumb and BAD (it's correct use) that is

On August 25 2012 02:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
How does saving Matt really get me towncred tomorrow? He lives, we're both scum. He dies, I'm scummy for trying and failing to save him.
Be back in an hour or so. Please actually read through the defense I posted and tell me why its insufficient.

On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote:
This post is so wishy washy, this post alone makes me want to switch off mattchew. Conjoined with Hopeless's timing of his defense post gah.

Hi again.

Day 2 post- the only thing of importance (besides the fact that two people flipped scum) is the flavor of the kills.

BC vs Wiggles into BC getting dayvig shot- I had BC as scum at the end of Day 1, so I don't believe it's that bad of a shot if it was a town dayvig. (Though obviously, it could be a scum dayvig that wanted to get rid of a vet...). Same thing as before, can't really tell the alignment of the shot. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the case though, which leads me to believe that he's town.

The first part of this post says shooting BC defending the shot if its town, did Misder shoot BC? Effort = town?

I also have WBG as town, though I haven't looked carefully at his filter yet. I just get a town vibe from him.

He says WBG is town for no reason at all, WBG put no effort, but is magically town without him reading him up.
More unexplained town reads.

Also VE is town. Drazerk's posting has gotten way better, making me think he's town as well.

Mattchew is interesting. When I played with him before GMarshal's PYP, he did the exact same thing he did day 1 when he was town (pointing fingers without backing stuff up, and posting one-liners all the time aka being scummy). If I was going to vote on meta, I would say that Mattchew is a bad lynch target. But I'm not, so ##Vote:Mattchew.

Here comes the wishy washiness. Mattchews case is interesting. Well ya couldn't have been more vague could ya? All meta Misder has with mattchew points him to believe hes town, but yeah FUCK META, I'm going to vote him. He never gives a reason for voting mattchew other than he's interesting and following his town meta.

Also, there's a JingleHell v Mattchew and a Mattchew v Dirkzor thing going on (where the first person is the one attacking).

As for JingleHell, I was actually writing a case on him but it stopped when I read the post where he claimed a role. That claim seems out of the blue, which I don't know if scum would do. He's obviously being more productive though (pushing a Mattchew case) so I don't mind him being alive for now.

This paragraph on jinglehell just shows misder is not reading the thread. Jinglehells post wasn't out of the blue it explained mattchews missed shot and explained how toad died.

I feel like lynching Dirkzor would clear up a lot of stuff though, and I still think he's being scummy. But Mattchew works too.

This last line, wow, just wow. Concludes his post with no clear direction, shows a lack of interest for the flip. We can lynch dirkzor for information, or mattchew whatever

On August 25 2012 02:53 Mattchew wrote:

Why you should believe I am pikachu

No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened

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Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess)

Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.

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I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.

On August 23 2012 13:30 Mattchew wrote:
in a weird twist, i would only rather lynch wiggles if it is either me or him.

i would much much rather lynch dirk

On August 25 2012 04:26 heist wrote:
If you guys are contemplating switching off of Mattchew, why are you pursuing hopeless if his scum slip was defending Mattchew?

On August 25 2012 02:47 Mementoss wrote:


The point is you were here multiple times today, and decided to defend Mattchew in a huge post 3 hours before lynch. Even though you knew you were not voting mattchew hours and hours ago. You do this with not enough time to get majority to switch, therefore mattchew most likely gets lynched. If he flips scum, you can say your right. Your motive isn't to try and save someone you think is town, your motive is to make yourself look good. If you wanted to save him, you woulda defended him in the post where you voted for wriggles.