Mad Men Mafia

On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, everyone STOP.

This lynch on WBG is not happening.

Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit.

I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY.

##Vote: talismania

I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really?

I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo.

On August 07 2012 10:48 Erandorr wrote:
VE, wtf.

Can you please look at those quotes in context?

1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him
2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer.
3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see.
4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts"





Liar.

About the "wifom"

I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia.

I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are

WBG
VE
Jingles
Broodking
Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? )

##Vote wbg

I am out, good luck with the game.

On August 09 2012 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

VisceraEyes Thoughts, And Lack Thereof

I'm gonna open with the important stuff.

talismania, Zephirdd, Toadesstern

Yes, that's right - THREE names. Not Five. Why? Because in my opinion, the last 2 scums can be found in the pool of players who haven't been posting, like, at all. There have been too many town flips of active players for me to entertain the notion that ALL of the scum are playing visibly. Therefor, at least 40% of the scum team can, by my estimation, be found in that group.

Now, my reads.

talismania has been very confusing to me over the course of the game. After D1 I agreed with slOosh's points on talismania - lots of questions that seemed to go nowhere, very little what I would consider actual scum hunting. However, D2 talis turned on the town with a bright and shiny case on me. Generally speaking, I automatically think "SCUM!" in cases like that, as many of you are well aware - however this time it was different. This time, talismania had valid concerns about my activity and my case against him…and considering my main contention with him was about the whole questions that go nowhere thing, I decided to assent to masoning him.

That's where things changed, for me. Over the course of those conversations, I was left with the feeling that he wasn't REALLY after information at all - that he was looking for something specific…something that I'd referenced earlier in the game.

All Talismania was interested in during the WHOLE of our conversations was my read on Zephirdd.

Why? What about Zephirdd was so important for me to comment on? What about my Zephirdd read intrigued him so? So I tried something out…

I intentionally avoided talking about Zephirdd at all.

:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Here is the result of this experiment.
+ Show Spoiler +

WHO CARES?! He's barely playing and is probably scum! But if he doesn't do scummy things then I can't lynch him!

talismania, in an attempt to distract town, has focused on my read of Zephirdd for almost an entire cycle. If he thinks I'm scum and Zeph is town, what could he possibly want to know what I think of Zephirdd for?

Here's my theory: that he and Zephirdd are scum TOGETHER. I think he was interested in getting my read on Zephirdd in the thread to either vilify me for thinking an "obvious townie" is scum, or to solidify sentiment that he's town when I died D2 and flipped town by me stating a town-read on him.

My guess is that scum roleblocked someone they killed N1 and talis claimed it in an attempt to gain town-cred.

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Zephirdd has spent the whole of the second cycle being pressured by CD. The result of this pressure, I think, speaks for itself - but I'll speak for it for those of you who are wondering what I'm talking about.

He reacted BADLY. REALLY badly. Like, as a townie, how would you react to someone continually calling you scum based on nothing and trolling you?

If your answer is anything but "ignore it and hunt scum" then you're scum. I'm sorry, but that's my opinion. Zeph's answer would apparently be "FREAK THE FUCK OUT AND RAGE IN-THREAD AND OMGUSSSSSSSSS"…if he were town. However, I think he's scum that can't handle pressure.

And golly gee, he didn't vote for me, talismania's "#1 scum read". Hmmmm, I wonder what's going on here. :/

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Toadesstern is on this list because he's a mason, and because I'm town the pool of possible scum masons is shrinking. Ultimately he's null, but I'm thinking scum probably have a mason and I don't think it's JH - especially after reading his logs with talismania. It's possible there ARE no scum masons and BC threw in a ton of town masons to fuck with town - but I find it really unlikely, and if that's what's going on here then BC is truly a bastard.

So my lynch-order preference would be:

1. talismania/Zephirdd (I'm equally sure on both and would support either lynch equally.
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2. Toadesstern.

I don't want to lynch Toad tomorrow, but I will if town wants to because he's a mason that's not JH or myself. Pretty much no other reason. :/

On August 05 2012 18:33 talismania wrote:
summary thoughts after re-reading:

toad has moved from scummy to townie in my head. many small things that suggest more effort than I see him putting in as scum.

VE I think is scum both from his attitude, his lack of promised scumhunting, and the reason he picked for voting me.

Hassybaby I think is scum for being too cautious sounding and not actually contributing novel stuff. He also gets baited by my setup talk.

xsebt is default scum in my mind until he does something besides show up and make one incredibly wishy-washy post near deadline.

wbg has an outside chance of being scum and wanting to sacrifice himself for some reason but I actually think he's more likely to be town.

strongandbig and jinglehell both need to stop digging their tunnels and talk about other stuff for a while. jingle in particular has moved from town to neutral for his odd persistence.

hopeless1der makes scummy posts but overall seems townie to me. Like his post composition soudns like scum, but what he's doing seems townlike. In particular the part where he said he was going to check into zephirdd and then he actually did.

synystyr I think is scum until proven innocent for his excitement/activity discrepancy.

I have my eye on glasse/dropula even though both are sort of loosely in my neutral/town category in my mind. I'm eager to see their promised activity in the future. From glasse, his promised read on toad. And from dropula, living up to this call to action for a more active thread.

I think that's it, time for bed.

On August 05 2012 21:00 XsebT wrote:
I agree that countdropula's voting pattern and reasoning during d1 is pointing towards scum. He is all over the place with his accusations. Lazermonkey's analysis points this out quite well.
Talismania, I was too inactive during d1, so a "default scum" accusation is probably in its place. If you keep having concerns, just ask me more direct questions. I'm not quite able to keep up with you guys when it comes to posting. I will be brief and to the point when posting.
That said, I don't know why you would throw out so many scum accusations so early on, while already in the spotlight with wbg from d1. You should fear for your own survival in this game. If you're town, I consider the accusations a bad move.

On August 05 2012 08:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:


This sort of stuff needs to come after the game. Ive so far found your posts to be sub-optimal town play.

At this point Im against a prphlz for the reasons that his case had merit and he has been afk for a long time. In the past this is how bandwagons on Day 1 have started. Im examining those who have been throwing around their votes so far.

On August 05 2012 08:29 talismania wrote:


I ain't doing no "nailing". Just can't resist a cheap shot :-)

On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates.

WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage.

prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive.

I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM.

On August 07 2012 16:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Erandorr
Erandorr has been doing scummy things all game long and its time they get splayed out for everyone to see.

The WBG case.
Eran's points:
1) The mason out
The majority of Erandorr's earlier posts addressed this issue. There were flaws in the thinking that outing is anti-town. Mafia's ability to PM each other being one of them. His main argument that mason alignment is unknown only makes sense from a town POV. A scum WBG knows mason alignment, so outing them makes no sense. You also have to remember that Erandorr outed himself as well. His explantion:

Really? What was WBGs first point (the point you so thought was so blatantly wrong)? The reasoning doesn't make sense either as outing your self isn't alignment indicative.

2) Mason Logs
As a mason Erandorr has two reasons for picking someone: he has suspicions and wants to get a better read on them or he wants to talk about the game with a townread without giving info to mafia. Picking WBG he already chose the second option. Yet he tries for an hour to get an answer, when it was quite clear that he wasn’t going to get shit. I dont see the advantage of asking the question in the PM at all, the thread was a much better way to get that info from WBG as it forces him to make semi rational posts. You could say that he was trying to bait out WBG, but that seems like a viable scum option.

3) Not analyzing posts: Funny cause he isn’t doing it either. Calling the townbase bad and not addressing certain cases.

On August 08 2012 02:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:


You'e never played a game with VE have you. Establishing his innocence is something he mentions every game. I dont think anyone agrees that Talis' rolefishing had any place in this town, so why not call it out? This reasoning is too shabby for you to be making votes.

On August 08 2012 12:20 BroodKingEXE wrote:

Dont lie. Eran outed himself there was no intention for him to get WBG to out him again. If that's your whole case against Eran, it's pretty shitty to vote for them.

On August 09 2012 01:23 BroodKingEXE wrote:

A townies gotta have the right info otherwise the whole town is fucked. Towns advantage is they can make consensus and informed desicions, its our job to find the scum leading us off track and look for people who have gone off track. I dont get you you keep saying you wont play the game but your still making accusations (small if that).

On August 08 2012 14:32 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Does anyone else find Zentor's voting pattern tricky at the end. Seems like he wanted to be on the townie side of the lynch. He hasn't really done much of anything in terms of scumhunting, and his vote for Eran and VE should have been crystal clear as he had suspicions about VE before. Zentor's playing to his scum meta to top it off.

On August 13 2012 15:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Was not expecting Talis to be vig shot. Fine with the claim being held off, at least till we know the outcome of this lynch. VE, based on Talis' and marvs reasoning. My list is VE, Glasse, and Zentor. Still working on connecting up the pieces, Zentors meta makes reading him a bit tricky but I find the Zentor Zeph votes confirming an Erandorr lynch pretty damning. VE fits into the story since he was the second canidate.