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On August 06 2012 07:18 CountDropula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 06:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 06 2012 05:56 CountDropula wrote:On August 06 2012 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, kinda changed my mind and I'm actually starting to like the kill-grush plan. It's impossible to get a read in him anyway if he is going to play like this. Also, a big bonus is that WBG should be somewhat confirmed town if he flips scum.
As for Dropula, his only defense against all of my suspicion was that he was inexperienced and that it was all a mistake. This can be explained in 2 ways.
1. He is inexperienced.
2. He is scum.
If he is town he will most likely be left by scum unless he improves his play by an miraculously amount. If he is scum... Then he is scum.
For all Vigis, I hope you shot these guys tonight, as lynching them tomorrow will not really generate any discussion if they keep on playing like they've done so far.
Which explanation do you like best? Inexperience or scum? Lolwut. Well, since I want to lynch you I'd much rather prefer you to be scum : ). You aren't helping town at all atm. If the only defense you have is the noob card then you must die. Preferably sooner than later. Unless you do some actual scum hunting, which it doesn't look like you are trying to. If you do not get shot tonight you will have 48 hours to convince me and everyone else why you shouldn't be the one to be lynched * hint * make some analysis * hint *. U mad? U scum?
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Lurker is a very broad term. A player like Xsebt I would highly recommend not to vigi kill, while his filter is empty enough, he does at least try to make a post and we will be able to judge him later on. However grush or Dropula I'm 100% okay with getting shot. I looked through some of grush older games and he does indeed just do this no matter what alignment he is. The way I see it we have about 5/21~24% chance of him flipping scum. These are not good odds. But arguing that shooting grush tonight because he has a 76% of flipping town is stupid. Why? Because you are then Ignoring the fact that once we get to lategame with him we are in trouble as there is simply no way scum would ever decide to NK grush unless he is confirmed blue. Our chances of getting a proper read on grush not increase as the game goes on. Really. If grush actually wanted to play this game the way it was supposed to, he would've done that a long time ago.
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On August 06 2012 09:56 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 09:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
But arguing that shooting grush tonight because he has a 76% of flipping town is stupid. Not only did I not argue for this at all, but the statement itself is very foolish. Vigs take note. Never claimed you did either. Just explained why I think shooting grush tonight is a good thing.
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-.-. Did grush not mason someone?
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Well if scum havn't used their masons, they probebly won't use them for the rest of the game. If we would suddenly have 5 players being masoned then there is obviously at least one scum among those masons or someone who fakeclaims getting masoned. This is why you should claim masoned.
But it's quite unlikely that someone didn't use their mason power D1 tbh.
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I'm convinced that Dropula is town now. His case against Zeph is the most insane thing I've ever read. All it's based on is the META WIFOM-argument that Zephird got more mad this game than his last game. And even that is a very weak arguments because he is yet to find a situation which is similiar to the one in this game. Unless he is a smurf of some sort and this actually is his first game there is noway he would be playing like this as scum. His team mates would've told him to stop long ago. The way he also pulled up so many suspicious posts on D1 and then responded with ''well, I'm noob'' and then later on says ''HAHA, it was all part of my plan'' doesn't make sense at all.
To Dropula: Your case is the most shittiest shit I've read in a long time. Stop it. Your flowing the thread with useless text.
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On August 07 2012 18:02 s0Lstice wrote:
agree Lazer
who do you want to lynch today? Well, my n1 scum read turned up to be probebly town so I had to reread a bit first.
My top scum read is VE. Unless I'm misstaken he is considered vet or at least semi-vet, no? Yet I feel like all his attempts to hunt scum is aiming to hit weak plays rather than scum plays. He is chasing Erandorr for picking on WBG with poor logic. He went after Talis for the way he he is '''role fishing''(even tho OP says every character can be any algnment) yet ignoring all the other things he had posted at that point. He also went after Zeph when the shit storm around him was at it's peak. Note that he is always picking the ones who is under most pressure, while this is not necessarily is a scum trait, it's something to consider.
I don't know anything about his meta TBH, but unless he is always aiming to kill weak players under heavy pressure(Lol...), I'd say this is a very scummy behavior.
##Vote: VE
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Toad, what do you think about VE? or anyone else who you suspect to be scum for that matter?
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On August 07 2012 19:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 19:54 Lazermonkey wrote:
Toad, what do you think about VE? or anyone else who you suspect to be scum for that matter?
I consider it highly unlikely that two out of VE, WBG and Eran are mafia right now. That being said I still consider WBG the scummiest out of those 3 which makes both VE and Eran town besided having a null-read on VE and a town read on Eran so far myself. So unless we're lynching WBG I'm not willing to lynch into a vet today. It doesn't seem very unlikely with a WBG lynch atm so who do you want to lynch then? Because my impression of this post is that you have other scum reads than WBG atm.
Also why a null tell on VE? Do you not agree with the suspicion on him? I did do some research on one of his older games(Mini mafia II, he played townie). While he was whish washy which eventually got him lynched D2, his reads were very good. Out of the 4 people he suspected at the end that day, 3 of them were scum. He was basing his reads on whether or not someone seemed scummy, rather than if their logic was flawed.
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EBWOP: missed your most recent post, although that doesn't really change anything.
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On August 07 2012 20:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Honestly I'd rather lynch into Hassy right now and give us some time to figure out this triangle of bullshit: WBG, VE and Eran Whaaat? Hassy, the guy with 4 posts on his neck? The only thing he posted of substance is his flawed read and vote on WBG. I agree with that this is not a town move but he has posted far to little for me to determine whether those posts are becuause he is scum or because he isn't playing well.
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EBWOP: I also think he would be in risk of getting modkilled/replaced for his inactivity.
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On August 07 2012 20:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:45 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 07 2012 20:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Honestly I'd rather lynch into Hassy right now and give us some time to figure out this triangle of bullshit: WBG, VE and Eran Whaaat? Hassy, the guy with 4 posts on his neck? The only thing he posted of substance is his flawed read and vote on WBG. I agree with that this is not a town move but he has posted far to little for me to determine whether those posts are becuause he is scum or because he isn't playing well. I was masoned with him and he was talkign with me a lot. So I know he did that on purpose for some reason. Just check out the timesstamps of our logs. He may have missed the first day because he only masoned me on the 2nd day of the game but he still was talking a lot in sykpe. I don't know if that stuff had a lot of thought behind it but he definitly had his opinions on things that were going on. Remember the prplhz lynch yesterday? When I told him that prplhz said he really meant what he said about glasse he instantly said "WAT? I thought that was a joke" or something along those lines. So he at least thought things through and evalutated wether or not some people are still trolling around or already posting something with actual content, which is something that is beyond "just reading the thread". He could have easily posted something, in fact when he did I pushed him into posting, but he chose not to for some reason and I consider that weird. Combine that with what I said about the logs when I posted them and I consider him scummy. But I agree, it's a weak read. Lol, missed that he masoned you. Need to read the logs.
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Hmm, I must say Hassy doesn't look very good either. In the logs he often avoided taking any hard stances and was really neutral about alot of things. But still I think VE lynch > hassy lynch.
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On August 08 2012 00:48 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 18:43 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 07 2012 18:02 s0Lstice wrote:
agree Lazer
who do you want to lynch today? Well, my n1 scum read turned up to be probebly town so I had to reread a bit first. My top scum read is VE. Unless I'm misstaken he is considered vet or at least semi-vet, no? Yet I feel like all his attempts to hunt scum is aiming to hit weak plays rather than scum plays. He is chasing Erandorr for picking on WBG with poor logic. He went after Talis for the way he he is '''role fishing''(even tho OP says every character can be any algnment) yet ignoring all the other things he had posted at that point. He also went after Zeph when the shit storm around him was at it's peak. Note that he is always picking the ones who is under most pressure, while this is not necessarily is a scum trait, it's something to consider. I don't know anything about his meta TBH, but unless he is always aiming to kill weak players under heavy pressure(Lol...), I'd say this is a very scummy behavior. ##Vote: VE Yes, any character can be any alignment, but I think it is safe to assume that most characters are matched with the role that is similar to their personalities. (Think of it as a kind of DT check: just like a DT check isn't certain because of millers and godfathers, you can't be certain of what somebody's alignment is from their character, because of what is stated in the OP, but it makes to more likely for the person to be that character's alignment.) While this may be true, it may just as well be false. We cannot possibly know, and for all that's worth I will not lynch into someone based upon WIFOM. Because that's what it is to lynch someone based on their name.
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EBWOP: I'm not saying Talis is town, but the reason VE was after him at the start absolutely hillarious. Tbh I have talis as a small scum read for his quite non commital play + how he outed like 5 players as town just some hours into the game(me incleded, and I only had like 2 shitty posts at that time.
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On August 08 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote:
Didn't I get chastised just recently for pointing out possible links before flips happened?
Ignoring that, you're talking about lynching someone just to see how they flip to try and establish a correlation that only has meaning under intense WIFOM. Lolwat. Who are you talking to bro?
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On August 08 2012 03:30 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:28 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 08 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote:
Didn't I get chastised just recently for pointing out possible links before flips happened?
Ignoring that, you're talking about lynching someone just to see how they flip to try and establish a correlation that only has meaning under intense WIFOM. Lolwat. Who are you talking to bro? Read half a page and figure it out, "bro". Don't go trying to start shit with me because you're still pissed you couldn't get me modkilled for lynching scum when you wanted to ignore the confirmed DT's investigation as townie. Are you always like this? o.O
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Btw, what happend with MrZentor?
The only post in his very short filter that isn't discussing blues or talking useless shit is a small attack on Glasse. I think this post in it self was good, but there was no follow up at all. I know he was replaced but it's been almost 3 days since that and still nothing usefull out of him. And he isn't really some sort of first time playing noob either.
##FoS: MrZentor
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On August 08 2012 03:39 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:32 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 08 2012 03:30 JingleHell wrote:On August 08 2012 03:28 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 08 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote:
Didn't I get chastised just recently for pointing out possible links before flips happened?
Ignoring that, you're talking about lynching someone just to see how they flip to try and establish a correlation that only has meaning under intense WIFOM. Lolwat. Who are you talking to bro? Read half a page and figure it out, "bro". Don't go trying to start shit with me because you're still pissed you couldn't get me modkilled for lynching scum when you wanted to ignore the confirmed DT's investigation as townie. Are you always like this? o.O I think I've demonstrated quite effectively that I'm only like "this" when people are being stupid. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=51#1005There's you asking for me to be modkilled when I wouldn't change my vote off the guy the confirmed DT had as red. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=54#1062There's him flipping. So, who's unreasonable? You're just trying to start shit for no good reason. If you want to talk about that game, do it in Pm's. Right now all you do is shit up the thread. I have never, I repeat, never insulted you as a person. Only your play. You are the one who keeps calling me names and what not for no reason but that I disagree with you. But once again take this in Pm's or w/e as town doesn't benefit at all from us fighting for no reason.
I simply asked you who you were refering to as there wasn't a quote or anything. Yes, I could've probebly come up with the answer quite easily myself(Toad) but I was lazy. However, you just could've answered me just as well. But yet you respond with this. How is it helping us in any way?
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