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Probulous
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I apologise again for the delays in some of the posts. Work has fucked me over hard time and it interfered with how this game was run. It was my first attempt at hosting and there are mistakes I won't make again. I hope you had fun. Thanks especially to my cohosts with special mention to Risen and Acrofales who supplied day/night posts as well as vote counts. Bluelightz, well you supplied moral support. | ||
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Speedbump
New Zealand338 Posts
I do apologise to everyone for my slowish play. I found it quite hard to play this game, as joining half-way through felt like being thrown in the deep end. I was debating whether or not to replace myself once I had internet troubles, but I felt that would ruin the game. I am also sorry at calgar, if I was BM in my posting manner. I thank Hapahauli very much for helping me not throw the game away, and also helping me learn how to post slightly better than I did at the start. I also thank Mufaa for giving me the opportunity to play badly in this game.  Cheers to Probulous/Acrofales/BlazingHand/VisceraEyes for running this fun game, even if they ironically forgot about us old bastards. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
False sense of security in scum, good. Obvious breadcrumb, bad. Obvious breadcrumb being completely missed by scum, utterly irrelevant, and trying to use plan Q to WIFOM breadcrumb into a case? Priceless. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On July 30 2012 08:30 JingleHell wrote: So, would a scum mind explaining the NKs that weren't me? Augh, the NK's were terrriiiibad in hindsight. Kinda got lucky not shooting Calgar though. Here's the rundown: Night 1: - I liked the general direction of the town D1 (from a scum perspective) and the EvulRabbitz NK was a way to get a "clean kill," keeping the town pointing suspicions at each other. Evul was also being really really quiet, and we thought he could be the medic or something. This, in hindsight, was stupid considering his DT meta in Newbie XX. We also debated killing Fulla (possible bluesnipe/clean kill) and Calgar (town analyst) Night 2: Killed Jingle (duh) on the basis that Medic/Jailer/3rd blue seemed too OP a possible blue setup. Fun fact: none of us spotted Jingle's breadcrumb. Night 3: Killed Fulla as a bluesnipe. In retrospect, this was a terrible decision, and we should have shot YourHarry without question. Night 4: YourHarry for being a confirmed townie. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Good work townies on the wiggles lynch. Reference: in this game I coaches jingle and calgar extensively. Yourharry, hopeless, and perfection all asked some specific q&a. Edit: a vet claim at lylo is meaningless. Calgar had nothing to gain and plenty to lose from claiming vet. Although I'm a bit surprised and dismayed that speedbump, a replacement who straight up lurked, was not lynched, even if he was I think Hapa was well concealed within the town. Also, iamperfection should have known calgar was town since he had a town read on hopeless-- if calgar is scum, even, one of hapa/speed had to be scum, and for them to bus so thoroughly made little sense. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=59#1171 For starters, I liked Calgar's defensive style - bolded points w/ spoiler tags, I'mma goin to steal that from him. When defending himself against my case, Calgar had some really really good stuff for his defense that unfortunately got buried in the rest of his post. His point, "revisiting the breadcrumb" was incredibly strong, and spamming it throughout the thread may well have saved him from getting lynched. IMO it practically confirmed him as town, and I was terrified of addressing it directly (hence me burying it at the end of my "formal response" to his defense, dismissing it as "WIFOM"). Furthermore, he didn't push for Speedbump's lynch nearly hard enough. The bulk of Calgar's plea to lynch Speedbump was buried in a longer 4-paragraph post (HERE). When dealing with less-vocal townies (Hopeless and iamperfection), it may be more effective to emphasize your suspicions (bold "speedbump is scummy", "why isn't he dead as replacement", etc) - tell people how to think rather than trust them to read and consider your posts. On July 30 2012 09:56 Blazinghand wrote: ... Also, iamperfection should have known calgar was town since he had a town read on hopeless-- if calgar is scum, even, one of hapa/speed had to be scum, and for them to bus so thoroughly made little sense. Can you explain this? Thanks! | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 30 2012 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: Eh, I dunno. I don't think I could have overcome confirmation bias... they weren't contemplating any other possibility. Anything I said would have been (and was) twisted immediately and since they hadn't figured it out by then I don't think anything I could have said would have mattered.Furthermore, he didn't push for Speedbump's lynch nearly hard enough. The bulk of Calgar's plea to lynch Speedbump was buried in a longer 4-paragraph post (HERE). When dealing with less-vocal townies (Hopeless and iamperfection), it may be more effective to emphasize your suspicions (bold "speedbump is scummy", "why isn't he dead as replacement", etc) - tell people how to think rather than trust them to read and consider your posts. To me the final giveaway was when you made the fake 'FoS' and then backed off and came at me with the huge 'case'. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Perfection said to me he was super super strongly reading town on hopeless. That means among calgar, speedbump, and hapa he thought there were 2 scum and 1 town. If the town was speedbump, the two scum would have pushed him together. If the town was hapa, maybe not. For calgar, though, it wouldnt ever make sense to push HIM if he was scum. Why would speedbump bus him rather than the other way around, or even going after perfection, who had almost been lynched so many times? There was no way you would bus calgar so hard, so early, and so aggressively. Hopeless didnt have a strong read, and maybe thought it was calgar perfection scumteam, but perfection was very sure hopeless was town, which given speed and hapas d2 play should have led him to the truth. | ||
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Probulous
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It is simple really. There are five people left with two mafia and three town. iamperfection knows he is town and has a town read on hopeless1der. That means two scum out of hapa, Speed and Calgar. The fact that Calgar and speed were pushing Calgar so hard should have made it clear they were working together. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On July 30 2012 10:38 calgar wrote: Eh, I dunno. I don't think I could have overcome confirmation bias... they weren't contemplating any other possibility. Anything I said would have been (and was) twisted immediately and since they hadn't figured it out by then I don't think anything I could have said would have mattered. To me the final giveaway was when you made the fake 'FoS' and then backed off and came at me with the huge 'case'. I personally think your position was still winnable, just very tough. It happens, though. | ||
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calgar
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On July 30 2012 10:41 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah, you're right, it's always possible. They weren't really even in the thread though (perfection was sure he was right judging from his boss scum post) so I chose to just give up instead of investing a lot more time into the small chance at changing their minds.I personally think your position was still winnable, just very tough. It happens, though. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On July 30 2012 10:38 calgar wrote: Eh, I dunno. I don't think I could have overcome confirmation bias... they weren't contemplating any other possibility. Anything I said would have been (and was) twisted immediately and since they hadn't figured it out by then I don't think anything I could have said would have mattered. Well that's what I mean - you trust the town's analyitical skills too much. By the time you start being aggressive, the town is already convinced of your guilt. For example, what if you responed to my original accusation like this: "It doesn't make sense for me to be scum considering my reverse-breadcrumb at JingleHell. Scum Calgar would have NK'd him on the spot. There would be no reason for me to leave him alive, unless I somehow forsaw these events a week ago. If someone can prove to me how this doesn't confirm me as town, I'll respond to the accusations against me." IMO, you'd have a pretty good chance of convincing Hopeless and iamperfection of your innocence. To me the final giveaway was when you made the fake 'FoS' and then backed off and came at me with the huge 'case'. Yeah, at that point, I figured I could close out the game regardless of your suspicions. | ||
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