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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 14:43 GMT
#681
Look back. I've never said Harry isn't dodgy. Unfortunately, much as I hate it, it matches his meta, so I honestly don't know about him. If you'd like to make a case against him, feel free. You'll notice I haven't piled on to target you based on lurking, because the few posts you've made haven't "felt" scummy to me.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 14:46 GMT
#682
On July 19 2012 23:41 Hapahauli wrote:
So you're saying that both Calgar AND I are scum? All this based on a breadcrumb that mafia may or may not have seen?! Really?


I'm saying it fits. Calgar certainly seemed to think it was pretty visible. You'll notice I freely admit it's a pile of circumstance. I'd say people besides you should maybe try and decide for themselves on Calgar, and if he flips scum, we should maybe look closely at you.

I did it specifically because we've had enough issues with each other that it's pretty easy to have bias get in the way, so I looked for something that could point to itself.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 19 2012 14:55 GMT
#683
Jingle, my problem with you're trying to set Hapa up as the NK is that your breadcrumb really stood out. It was so blatant that I suspected it of being a fake claim by scum, and if not, you just advertised your blue role. We don't know if there's a medic. We know we had a vet and potentially a jailer based on your breadcrumb. Scum took the pretty much guaranteed hit on Evul last night, but I would have definitely considered shooting you down for breadcrumbing a blue.

@Fulla: This is not worth the time right now. Someone else read his case and my filter and if you think there's a case that we need to discuss today, I'll make a defense. Otherwise, I will defend myself after the lynch.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 14:59 GMT
#684
The fact that it didn't get me shot for being a blue goes back to what I said about scum playing the "visible townie" card wanting to be working with a real townie who's highly visible. If Hapa and Calgar are being "visible townie" as scum, then they'd need someone like me alive so that they can let me take the lead if I'm putting pressure on a townie, and it's a perfect smokescreen.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 15:01 GMT
#685
Remember, Hopeless, you seemed to like my case against Calgar. I'm not guaranteeing that Hapa is scum. What I am doing is saying that if Calgar is scum, Hapa may well be scum too. This just provides a chunk of evidence that isn't in how I read a post.

Although you calling it so visible seems to really hurt Hapa's comment about scum may or may not have seen it, wouldn't you agree?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 19 2012 15:08 GMT
#686
@ Jingle - Assuming that Mafia saw your breadcrumb, why didn't they shoot you? You should be dead a thousand times over by that logic.

Secondly, if Calgar and I were mafia, wouldn't killing the only other vocal townie (and sniping a blue on top of that) be really freggin' good for us? We would dominate the discussion for the rest of the game and get people lynched at will.

Thirdly, why the hell would we both be actively establishing your innocence, even AFTER you pushed the Obvious.660 mislynch?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 15:11 GMT
#687
On July 20 2012 00:08 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jingle - Assuming that Mafia saw your breadcrumb, why didn't they shoot you? You should be dead a thousand times over by that logic.

Secondly, if Calgar and I were mafia, wouldn't killing the only other vocal townie (and sniping a blue on top of that) be really freggin' good for us? We would dominate the discussion for the rest of the game and get people lynched at will.

Thirdly, why the hell would we both be actively establishing your innocence, even AFTER you pushed the Obvious.660 mislynch?


Haven't I already commented on the pile of WIFOM you're trying to feed me?

Shooting me would have removed the panic button of pointing fingers at me for mislynches. I already explained that twice, so if you're not going to respond to the explanation, I've got nothing further to say on this.

And your thirdly I've also answered.

Please don't respond by asking questions I answered already with no substance, all WIFOM.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 19 2012 15:17 GMT
#688
On July 20 2012 00:11 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 00:08 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jingle - Assuming that Mafia saw your breadcrumb, why didn't they shoot you? You should be dead a thousand times over by that logic.

Secondly, if Calgar and I were mafia, wouldn't killing the only other vocal townie (and sniping a blue on top of that) be really freggin' good for us? We would dominate the discussion for the rest of the game and get people lynched at will.

Thirdly, why the hell would we both be actively establishing your innocence, even AFTER you pushed the Obvious.660 mislynch?


Haven't I already commented on the pile of WIFOM you're trying to feed me?

Shooting me would have removed the panic button of pointing fingers at me for mislynches. I already explained that twice, so if you're not going to respond to the explanation, I've got nothing further to say on this.

And your thirdly I've also answered.

Please don't respond by asking questions I answered already with no substance, all WIFOM.


That doesn't make any sense! Your theory is that you didn't get shot because people would fingerpoint you for the mislynch. The fingerpointing didn't happen! Hell both Calgar and I have actively asserted your innocence in spite of the mislynch!

How the hell is that WIFOM? Your story about you not getting shot literally doesn't make any sense!
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 15:19 GMT
#689
I'm saying that if I'm alive, I'm a diversion. If I'm dead, I'm the guy who was in Calgar's face about wanting a vigi on Perfection.

If that doesn't make sense, I've given you far too much credit. In fact, I hope people won't believe you suddenly not being able to think. More than anyone else here, I can't stand your personality, but I still know you're sharp enough to understand what I'm saying, and feigning ignorance is so grossly out of character for you as a defense, that I hope others see it too.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 19 2012 15:21 GMT
#690
As far as I'm concerned, this is your story:

You think that Calgar and I, as hypothetical mafia, killed Evul instead of you, KNOWING that you'd think that you were kept alive by virtue of your "smokescreen" theory. Then KNOWING that you anticipated being fingerpointing for the mislynch (mind you, all of this prior to the N1 kill), we instead defended you in pure WIFOM.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 19 2012 15:24 GMT
#691
Jingle I find this whole thing requires too much of a leap of faith. I really don't think pursuing this is a good idea. The more I think about the more killing the silent guy was the best choice for scum.

- 1 town was removed, without giving ANY information out.
- Alot of fingers going around.already It has only increased the paranoia.

Anybody here as Mafia could have made the choice to kill the silent guy. It doesn't make anyone more suspicious in my eyes?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 19 2012 15:28 GMT
#692
On July 20 2012 00:19 JingleHell wrote:
I'm saying that if I'm alive, I'm a diversion. If I'm dead, I'm the guy who was in Calgar's face about wanting a vigi on Perfection.

If that doesn't make sense, I've given you far too much credit. In fact, I hope people won't believe you suddenly not being able to think. More than anyone else here, I can't stand your personality, but I still know you're sharp enough to understand what I'm saying, and feigning ignorance is so grossly out of character for you as a defense, that I hope others see it too.


I still don't understand this. If you die, doesn't that increase the chances of iamperfection getting killed due to lack of townie opposition? Do you think that the lurkers in this game would take suspicion off iamperfection on the basis of your lynch? Or would they all bandwagon like they did with the Obvious.660 lynch?

As far as I'm concerned, your suspicions are based on implausible stories. That Calgar and I, as hypothetical mafia, decided to jump through hoops and come up with a horrendously excessive and complex plan (leaving you alive and defending you) rather than taking an easy and effective solution (killing you).
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 15:31 GMT
#693
On July 20 2012 00:24 Fulla wrote:
Jingle I find this whole thing requires too much of a leap of faith. I really don't think pursuing this is a good idea. The more I think about the more killing the silent guy was the best choice for scum.

- 1 town was removed, without giving ANY information out.
- Alot of fingers going around.already It has only increased the paranoia.

Anybody here as Mafia could have made the choice to kill the silent guy. It doesn't make anyone more suspicious in my eyes?


Fulla, have you actually read my case against Calgar, independent of the suspicion on Hapa? I find it hard to believe. If mine's too long for a lurker, try reading Hopeless's case instead.

I've already said Hapa isn't guaranteed to be scum even if Calgar is. I've just established a plausible link to pursue following Calgar.

Right now, their primary defense is a combination of WIFOM and the Obvious mislynch. Quite a few people believed in that, and given that it was a mislynch, most likely one or two scum didn't even vote for obvious, so there's very solid odds that there were enough town on Obvious to secure his lynch without any scum votes at all.

Pointing to the mislynch is an easy and obvious means of discrediting me, but, if you take the fact that they only feel sort of scummy, in a way that requires a leap of faith, and combine it with the WIFOM people seem to want to follow now that scum wouldn't be glaringly obvious (pointed to by Calgar early in D1 no less), well, they become better targets if it requires a leap of faith, not worse.

And going back to Calgar's early statement about scum probably being too smart to be obvious scum... why then, was Calgar so interested in the easy target of Perfection?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 15:33 GMT
#694
I personally will be doing this:
##Vote Calgar

Until and unless Calgar stops trying to dismiss my case against him as "too long" (too much evidence, lolwut?) and actually responds to it.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
July 19 2012 15:50 GMT
#695
On July 20 2012 00:33 JingleHell wrote:
I personally will be doing this:
##Vote Calgar

Until and unless Calgar stops trying to dismiss my case against him as "too long" (too much evidence, lolwut?) and actually responds to it.
Your case is WIFOM, what is there to address? I'm spreading seeds of doubt? I flop votes like a bunny on cocaine? Like its going out of style? I lobbied to save a townie as part of a malicious plan? Because hapa is still alive after your silly breadcrumb? You aren't worth a response so you're not going to get another.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 15:57 GMT
#696
On July 20 2012 00:50 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 00:33 JingleHell wrote:
I personally will be doing this:
##Vote Calgar

Until and unless Calgar stops trying to dismiss my case against him as "too long" (too much evidence, lolwut?) and actually responds to it.
Your case is WIFOM, what is there to address? I'm spreading seeds of doubt? I flop votes like a bunny on cocaine? Like its going out of style? I lobbied to save a townie as part of a malicious plan? Because hapa is still alive after your silly breadcrumb? You aren't worth a response so you're not going to get another.


Show me a mafia case that isn't based on WIFOM. I dare you. Every single mafia case can be turned into WIFOM, literally.

And my case is based on your entire posting history, broken down into piles and piles of scummy behavior. Don't like the rhetoric? That's nice. But basing a dismissal of that much evidence on the phrasing is as scummy as it gets.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 16:03 GMT
#697
Actually, I don't know why I'm arguing with you at this point. I don't need to convince you guys you're scum. It's the town that needs to be convinced. And if they ignore a mountain of evidence based on a couple of ad hominem attacks by you guys, then they deserve to lose.

I can't stop lurkers from lurking, I can't force them to read the case and come to their own conclusions. But if they don't choose to play to win, it's literally impossible for me to do it by myself. So I'll just give it some time, and see what the town decides.
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 19 2012 16:05 GMT
#698
OH WOW. I THINK WE HAVE TO KILL JINGLE HELL........

JINGLE WHY DID YOU DRAW MAFIA..........

I WILL BE BACK LATER TO CLARIFY MY THOUGHTS
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 19 2012 16:09 GMT
#699
But....... Calgar today, i think. Jingle tomorrow maybe.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 19 2012 16:10 GMT
#700
Hapha is town.
Never!
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