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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:41 Hapahauli wrote: So you're saying that both Calgar AND I are scum? All this based on a breadcrumb that mafia may or may not have seen?! Really? I'm saying it fits. Calgar certainly seemed to think it was pretty visible. You'll notice I freely admit it's a pile of circumstance. I'd say people besides you should maybe try and decide for themselves on Calgar, and if he flips scum, we should maybe look closely at you. I did it specifically because we've had enough issues with each other that it's pretty easy to have bias get in the way, so I looked for something that could point to itself. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
@Fulla: This is not worth the time right now. Someone else read his case and my filter and if you think there's a case that we need to discuss today, I'll make a defense. Otherwise, I will defend myself after the lynch. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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JingleHell
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Although you calling it so visible seems to really hurt Hapa's comment about scum may or may not have seen it, wouldn't you agree? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Secondly, if Calgar and I were mafia, wouldn't killing the only other vocal townie (and sniping a blue on top of that) be really freggin' good for us? We would dominate the discussion for the rest of the game and get people lynched at will. Thirdly, why the hell would we both be actively establishing your innocence, even AFTER you pushed the Obvious.660 mislynch? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:08 Hapahauli wrote: @ Jingle - Assuming that Mafia saw your breadcrumb, why didn't they shoot you? You should be dead a thousand times over by that logic. Secondly, if Calgar and I were mafia, wouldn't killing the only other vocal townie (and sniping a blue on top of that) be really freggin' good for us? We would dominate the discussion for the rest of the game and get people lynched at will. Thirdly, why the hell would we both be actively establishing your innocence, even AFTER you pushed the Obvious.660 mislynch? Haven't I already commented on the pile of WIFOM you're trying to feed me? Shooting me would have removed the panic button of pointing fingers at me for mislynches. I already explained that twice, so if you're not going to respond to the explanation, I've got nothing further to say on this. And your thirdly I've also answered. Please don't respond by asking questions I answered already with no substance, all WIFOM. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:11 JingleHell wrote: Haven't I already commented on the pile of WIFOM you're trying to feed me? Shooting me would have removed the panic button of pointing fingers at me for mislynches. I already explained that twice, so if you're not going to respond to the explanation, I've got nothing further to say on this. And your thirdly I've also answered. Please don't respond by asking questions I answered already with no substance, all WIFOM. That doesn't make any sense! Your theory is that you didn't get shot because people would fingerpoint you for the mislynch. The fingerpointing didn't happen! Hell both Calgar and I have actively asserted your innocence in spite of the mislynch! How the hell is that WIFOM? Your story about you not getting shot literally doesn't make any sense! | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
If that doesn't make sense, I've given you far too much credit. In fact, I hope people won't believe you suddenly not being able to think. More than anyone else here, I can't stand your personality, but I still know you're sharp enough to understand what I'm saying, and feigning ignorance is so grossly out of character for you as a defense, that I hope others see it too. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
You think that Calgar and I, as hypothetical mafia, killed Evul instead of you, KNOWING that you'd think that you were kept alive by virtue of your "smokescreen" theory. Then KNOWING that you anticipated being fingerpointing for the mislynch (mind you, all of this prior to the N1 kill), we instead defended you in pure WIFOM. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
- 1 town was removed, without giving ANY information out. - Alot of fingers going around.already It has only increased the paranoia. Anybody here as Mafia could have made the choice to kill the silent guy. It doesn't make anyone more suspicious in my eyes? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:19 JingleHell wrote: I'm saying that if I'm alive, I'm a diversion. If I'm dead, I'm the guy who was in Calgar's face about wanting a vigi on Perfection. If that doesn't make sense, I've given you far too much credit. In fact, I hope people won't believe you suddenly not being able to think. More than anyone else here, I can't stand your personality, but I still know you're sharp enough to understand what I'm saying, and feigning ignorance is so grossly out of character for you as a defense, that I hope others see it too. I still don't understand this. If you die, doesn't that increase the chances of iamperfection getting killed due to lack of townie opposition? Do you think that the lurkers in this game would take suspicion off iamperfection on the basis of your lynch? Or would they all bandwagon like they did with the Obvious.660 lynch? As far as I'm concerned, your suspicions are based on implausible stories. That Calgar and I, as hypothetical mafia, decided to jump through hoops and come up with a horrendously excessive and complex plan (leaving you alive and defending you) rather than taking an easy and effective solution (killing you). | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:24 Fulla wrote: Jingle I find this whole thing requires too much of a leap of faith. I really don't think pursuing this is a good idea. The more I think about the more killing the silent guy was the best choice for scum. - 1 town was removed, without giving ANY information out. - Alot of fingers going around.already It has only increased the paranoia. Anybody here as Mafia could have made the choice to kill the silent guy. It doesn't make anyone more suspicious in my eyes? Fulla, have you actually read my case against Calgar, independent of the suspicion on Hapa? I find it hard to believe. If mine's too long for a lurker, try reading Hopeless's case instead. I've already said Hapa isn't guaranteed to be scum even if Calgar is. I've just established a plausible link to pursue following Calgar. Right now, their primary defense is a combination of WIFOM and the Obvious mislynch. Quite a few people believed in that, and given that it was a mislynch, most likely one or two scum didn't even vote for obvious, so there's very solid odds that there were enough town on Obvious to secure his lynch without any scum votes at all. Pointing to the mislynch is an easy and obvious means of discrediting me, but, if you take the fact that they only feel sort of scummy, in a way that requires a leap of faith, and combine it with the WIFOM people seem to want to follow now that scum wouldn't be glaringly obvious (pointed to by Calgar early in D1 no less), well, they become better targets if it requires a leap of faith, not worse. And going back to Calgar's early statement about scum probably being too smart to be obvious scum... why then, was Calgar so interested in the easy target of Perfection? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
##Vote Calgar Until and unless Calgar stops trying to dismiss my case against him as "too long" (too much evidence, lolwut?) and actually responds to it. | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:33 JingleHell wrote: Your case is WIFOM, what is there to address? I'm spreading seeds of doubt? I flop votes like a bunny on cocaine? Like its going out of style? I lobbied to save a townie as part of a malicious plan? Because hapa is still alive after your silly breadcrumb? You aren't worth a response so you're not going to get another.I personally will be doing this: ##Vote Calgar Until and unless Calgar stops trying to dismiss my case against him as "too long" (too much evidence, lolwut?) and actually responds to it. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:50 calgar wrote: Your case is WIFOM, what is there to address? I'm spreading seeds of doubt? I flop votes like a bunny on cocaine? Like its going out of style? I lobbied to save a townie as part of a malicious plan? Because hapa is still alive after your silly breadcrumb? You aren't worth a response so you're not going to get another. Show me a mafia case that isn't based on WIFOM. I dare you. Every single mafia case can be turned into WIFOM, literally. And my case is based on your entire posting history, broken down into piles and piles of scummy behavior. Don't like the rhetoric? That's nice. But basing a dismissal of that much evidence on the phrasing is as scummy as it gets. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
I can't stop lurkers from lurking, I can't force them to read the case and come to their own conclusions. But if they don't choose to play to win, it's literally impossible for me to do it by myself. So I'll just give it some time, and see what the town decides. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
JINGLE WHY DID YOU DRAW MAFIA.......... I WILL BE BACK LATER TO CLARIFY MY THOUGHTS | ||
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YourHarry
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