EPTAnd yeah the fact that he didn't post a single thing between his summary post and his lynch doesn't really help. Regarding iamperfection, I agreed without saying so that he really was the next best choice.
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tube
United States1475 Posts
And yeah the fact that he didn't post a single thing between his summary post and his lynch doesn't really help. Regarding iamperfection, I agreed without saying so that he really was the next best choice. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 18 2012 08:29 Hapahauli wrote: Fuck. GG Obvious.660, wish I could've done more to save ya. @ Jingle - well if he claimed vet, he would've survived, no? It also confirms a townie and doesn't waste a lynch. @ Town - Balls. Fortunately we should be able to get some information from the bandwagon. I'll be looking through vote patterns and rereading filters tonight. In the mean time, make sure you post your reads before the end of the night!! I'll try to post mine in a couple of hours - we don't want anyone dying from the mafia night kill without providing any information. I wouldn't count someone claiming vet as confirmed townie unless they actually survived an attack. That's like claiming VT, with the exception that if they're telling the truth, it means scum won't waste an NK on them, and the only ways to confirm it are to have a Vigi shoot them or have a DT investigate them. I can't say GG, myself, when, even if we assume that 100% of the scum voted for him, which we have no way of knowing for sure, he still seemed scummy to enough townies to be in serious danger without scum voting on him. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On the positive side. I AM POSITIVE THAT FULLA IS TOWN. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 18 2012 08:37 JingleHell wrote: I wouldn't count someone claiming vet as confirmed townie unless they actually survived an attack. That's like claiming VT, with the exception that if they're telling the truth, it means scum won't waste an NK on them, and the only ways to confirm it are to have a Vigi shoot them or have a DT investigate them. I can't say GG, myself, when, even if we assume that 100% of the scum voted for him, which we have no way of knowing for sure, he still seemed scummy to enough townies to be in serious danger without scum voting on him. I'm by no means suggesting that all the scum voted for Obvious.660. However, I'd be pretty damn surprised if no scum voted for him, given the extremely strong bandwagon in the second half of D1. A bandwagon like that doesn't get started without some mafia cooperation. As for the vet stuff, I'm no expert on role-claiming logic, so meh. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
(Post count started from Day 1 post) Iamperfection: 3 posts Fulla: 5 posts Mufaa: 5 posts drwiggl3s: 14 posts Evulrabbitz: 7 posts Players from above who voted for Obvious.660: Iamperfection Evulrabbitz Fulla I'll be gone for a bit. Going to look into iamperfection when I return, because he looks scummiest of the players listed there. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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JingleHell
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 18 2012 08:45 YourHarry wrote: Of course he should have claimed. Though claiming may or may not have saved him, since this is semi-open set up. I am probably going to guess that he would have lived. On the positive side. I AM POSITIVE THAT FULLA IS TOWN. Explain? Him showing up near the deadline to pile on Obvious.660 didn't look good to me. Hell, look at his last post: On July 18 2012 07:10 Fulla wrote: Where the hell is obvious? Sigh.. It seems it's all down to me, I hate it when this happens. Let obvious be lynched or vote tube and force a no lynch. Good point, I overlooked that. Let's see what he flips then. ## Vote Obvious.660 He doesn't even understand the voting situation - his vote wouldn't have mattered, yet he plays it up like a big deal. In addition, he doesn't even know this is plurality lynch. This looks like a mafia member who joins bandwagons (look at his suspicion on Tube in his 2nd post) and doesn't even bother to read the thread, knowing all he has to do is stay friendly and cast suspicion. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On July 18 2012 07:10 Fulla wrote: Where the hell is obvious? Sigh.. It seems it's all down to me, I hate it when this happens. Let obvious be lynched or vote tube and force a no lynch. Good point, I overlooked that. Let's see what he flips then. ## Vote Obvious.660 This vote was made 50 minutes before the deadline. At this time, Obvious.660 had 6 votes vs. iamperfection's 3 votes. Fulla could have voted on someone else or not voted and the Obvious.660 lynch was VERY IMMINENT. There is no way scum Fulla would have risked looking suspicious knowing that he will be a part of a mislynch that was going to happen ANYWAY. | ||
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Mufaa
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Main point is, even if the roleclaim didn't save him it would have helped the town. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 18 2012 08:55 YourHarry wrote: This vote was made 50 minutes before the deadline. At this time, Obvious.660 had 6 votes vs. iamperfection's 3 votes. Fulla could have voted on someone else or not voted and the Obvious.660 lynch was VERY IMMINENT. There is no way scum Fulla would have risked looking suspicious knowing that he will be a part of a mislynch that was going to happen ANYWAY. A single vote isn't enough to clear a lurking player (with 4 posts) that shows up right before the lynch deadline. Moreover, what about the content of his post? He overplays the importance of his post ("Sigh... it seems it's all down to me..." WAT) and clearly demonstrated that he's not keeping up with the thread and votecount. Hell, he doesn't even know the game is plurality lynch before voting. For all I know, this sudden "I'M POSITIVE HE'S TOWNIE" stuff could've been a plan between the two of you in Mafia QT. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On July 18 2012 09:03 Hapahauli wrote: A single vote isn't enough to clear a lurking player (with 4 posts) that shows up right before the lynch deadline. Moreover, what about the content of his post? He overplays the importance of his post ("Sigh... it seems it's all down to me..." WAT) and clearly demonstrated that he's not keeping up with the thread and votecount. Hell, he doesn't even know the game is plurality lynch before voting. For all I know, this sudden "I'M POSITIVE HE'S TOWNIE" stuff could've been a plan between the two of you in Mafia QT. Lurking is not excusable behavior for TOWN AND SCUM. And in the absence of strong scum/town read, it may be OK to start a bandwagon against a lurking player. But when a player is obviously townie (and in my opinion, Fulla is obv townie), deciding to lynch a lurking townie may not be the best play for town. Hopefully he would start posting more. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 18 2012 09:09 YourHarry wrote: Lurking is not excusable behavior for TOWN AND SCUM. And in the absence of strong scum/town read, it may be OK to start a bandwagon against a lurking player. But when a player is obviously townie (and in my opinion, Fulla is obv townie), deciding to lynch a lurking townie may not be the best play for town. Hopefully he would start posting more. But WHYYYYY is he so obviously townie? You only list his vote as your reasoning. Do you think this outweighs his low post count, lurking, showing up right before the deadline, bandwagoning (against Tube and Obvious.660) AND misrepresenting the importance of his vote? Is there something I'm missing here? | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
I still think he's probably town because he didn't know the rules, because scum Fulla would have access to QT. And while it is true that this thread contains at least two posts that discuss the rules of plurality lynch, it is much easier to accept non-active townie missing this amidst hundreds of posts. It is also possible that scum Fulla pretended to not know about plurality lynch. And although scums sometimes feign ignorance, in this specific case, I don't see much benefit in faking not knowing about the rules of the lynch - especially coming from a player that has been accuse of not being active and not reading the thread. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9643 Posts
The mafia have the information advantage and if they wanted to risk it they could have not voted for obvious at all if they so desired. I will be able to work on this tommorow morning and i will post before the deadline what i think happened. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote: Some food for thought while we enter the terrors that are the night. Why would i knowingly put myself under so much heat. When i Voted for obvious their was one exactly one vote for him. If i was mafia i could posted lip service comments to try and hid but i diddnt i put a claim out there and i think its going to lead to some information. The bandwagon on obvious happened after me. The mafia have the information advantage and if they wanted to risk it they could have not voted for obvious at all if they so desired. I will be able to work on this tommorow morning and i will post before the deadline what i think happened. You can say this for everyone who have voted for Obvious.660. From scum's perspective, it is a choice between not wanting to look scummy by avoiding to contribute to a mislynch a player they know is town vs. putting their voting power in effect in order to favor a mislynch over a scum lynch. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
My primary reason for thinking this is plausible, tube was too happy to jump behind me, but once the heat on him dies down, and people start remembering "he made an effort", his posting starts regressing mostly. Thoughts? | ||
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