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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:51 drwiggl3s wrote: Don't you think if he was really mafia.. He'd be here defending himself? is the case against him SO STRONG that he sees it as an imovable mountain that can never be overcome? If obvious was really mafia his scum buddies would be pressuring him to post. They would be defending him, or trying to push lynches even harder onto other players. The fact that he hasn't posted to defend himself, the fact that no one is strongly defending him, tells me that he's probably not mafia. Also you saying I posted a bunch of one liners is halarious coming from you. Anyone with half a second can check out my filter and see that's simply not true. There are people strongly defending him. Also, it's plausible they'd not try too hard to save him, for fear of looking scummy following a mislynch. Also, he hasn't defended himself recently, but his primary defense was to flip-flop about tube and then post a list that boiled down to an OMGUS against me and spread suspicion every direction he could. Frankly, you can't trust WIFOM on it's own, and that's exactly why you're saying he's not scum. | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:51 drwiggl3s wrote: The fact that he hasn't posted to defend himself, the fact that no one is strongly defending him, tells me that he's probably not mafia. I'm defending him, have you read my posts?! I would be trying harder if it didn't seem it was already a foregone conclusion. Let's see who's voting him? iamperfection - I think he's mafia. evul - won't post content; ignored my request to do so. tube, yourharry - people who have come under fire for post quality. jingle. Overall, I don't think it's the most reliable group that's casting the vote here. It seems like an easy vote to make with no risk. | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: Yes, I'll do my best.NOTE: I have to catch a train and I'll be gone until close to the lynch deadline. Can I rely on you to lobby for the iamperfection lynch Calgar? I'll vote for anyone at this point that I think is more likely to be mafia than obvious.660. iamperfection has a bad history so I think he is a good option instead. I don't mean to be wishy-washy and go back and forth but it's a scramble at this point to try and swing the vote. ##Unvote YourHarry ##Vote iamperfection | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:57 calgar wrote: I'm defending him, have you read my posts?! I would be trying harder if it didn't seem it was already a foregone conclusion. Let's see who's voting him? iamperfection - I think he's mafia. evul - won't post content; ignored my request to do so. tube, yourharry - people who have come under fire for post quality. jingle. Overall, I don't think it's the most reliable group that's casting the vote here. It seems like an easy vote to make with no risk. And how many of those people considered you suspicious at one point in time? Casting aspersions based on that oh-so in-depth analysis of our posting to try and swing the vote off of obvious, on the grounds that "he's scum because nobody is strongly defending him" except, of course, for you and hapa... hmmm. | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 18 2012 06:03 JingleHell wrote: That wasn't my "grounds", that was drwiggles. I've outlined several reasons I think he has displayed pro-town play.And how many of those people considered you suspicious at one point in time? Casting aspersions based on that oh-so in-depth analysis of our posting to try and swing the vote off of obvious, on the grounds that "he's scum because nobody is strongly defending him" except, of course, for you and hapa... hmmm. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Perfection's low volume and semi-suspicious content don't strike me as being quite worth a vote without seeing context based on how a lynch target flips. He could either be scummy or just too inactive, at this point, as I already stated. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
On July 17 2012 20:06 Obvious.660 wrote: There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town. > tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered. > YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE. > JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard. > Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here. > Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep. > iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here. > Calgar: My gut tells me town. > Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today. > drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet. > Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time. > Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play. If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch. The first thing that springs to mind is IF this is the obvious thing scum do, why would he post this? Why do people say this a useless worthless post? He gives clear reasonable arguments on each person. They are thought out and logical. yet: On July 17 2012 22:36 iamperfection wrote: Isnt posting meaningless lists about every one in the game a way that mafia try to do to buy town cred. By being non commital you are trying to keep you options open so nothing can be used against you later. In fact the first guide that is posted in this thread states that what you just did is something scum do to try and hide. Why would a townie try and do something like that. I would say you are reading a diffrent section of the guide. ## Vote Obvious.660 I thought this was pretty committed? According to him: YourHarry, Hopeless1der and iamperfection are the 3 scum. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 18 2012 06:12 JingleHell wrote:Well, frankly, your entire town read involves him agreeing with you, based on the rather smallish case against perfection, and the case against harry. Literally anyone could see harry as suspicious now, and perfection hasn't posted enough to be regarded as scummier than anyone yet. You've mis-characterized my read as simpler than it is. It's not only because we agree.Perfection's low volume and semi-suspicious content don't strike me as being quite worth a vote without seeing context based on how a lynch target flips. He could either be scummy or just too inactive, at this point, as I already stated. I think, based on his limited post history, iamperfection is a better lynch (where is he, anyways...?). I'd rather vote for someone with few posts that displays decidedly mafia-esque behavior than someone with many more who has had positive town impact in posts and some shifty reads/decisions. All negative in one case whereas there is some positive in the second, leading to a higher percentage of successful lynch. That's my theory. -He operates with the principle "Form an opinion, roll with it, see what information it can get you. Don't sit on the sideline and let everyone else do the work." A pro-discussion principle which he follows. -He convinces tube to become a useful player by questioning him. This is decidedly pro-town. -He tunnels and makes a bad read, as he says and backs off. The theory is attractive in some sense; if a personality change did occur then it would be possible that it were coached. He just overestimated the personality shift that occurred. Bad read, which he then backs off of. Why would mafia go out on the line like this with a bold call, and then retract? This is WIFOM I know... -He puts up content voluntarily for people to discuss, which is more than others have been doing in the way of discussion promoting. I guess I'm having a hard time defending him. What's there is there, it's just how you interpret it. It would be nice if he showed up. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Call me crazy, but I'd rather lynch the guy who seems scummy based on activity, and if it turns out to be a mislynch due to poor town play, take the information we can from how people handled it. And I'm saying that knowing full well that if he does turn out to be a mislynch, I'll be one of the people in the spotlight. I'm willing to take that risk because A: I know I'm town and he honestly feels scummy for all the reasons I've given, and B: because we will get information based on the behavior of other people involving his case. And frankly, I don't expect Obvious to be a mislynch. | ||
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Mufaa
219 Posts
On July 18 2012 06:12 JingleHell wrote: Apologies. Well, frankly, your entire town read involves him agreeing with you, based on the rather smallish case against perfection, and the case against harry. Literally anyone could see harry as suspicious now, and perfection hasn't posted enough to be regarded as scummier than anyone yet. Perfection's low volume and semi-suspicious content don't strike me as being quite worth a vote without seeing context based on how a lynch target flips. He could either be scummy or just too inactive, at this point, as I already stated. On July 18 2012 05:23 JingleHell wrote: Calgar: I think perfection bears watching. His content is suspicious, but he posts so rarely that it's hard to tell if he's waiting to jump on bandwagons, or if he's just not that active. We'll probably have better information on him based on lynch flips. This is a good point I hadn't really taken into account. If an Iamperfection lynch isn't happening then that means YourHarry or Obvious would up to the chopping block. Of those two, seeing Obvious flip would give us more info (Voting patterns, why people argued for/against him when they did, etc) but I'm torn between which one feels scummier. Harry hasn't really built a case, he has just defends Obvious.660 before switching due to your case on Obvious. Your case against Obvious wasn't airtight, but it is pretty convincing and his lack of response/interest makes it all the more damning. Since YourHarry will have to justify his actions and we'll get much more info due to the discourse around Obvious if Iamperfect isn't going to happen I'll be switching my vote to Obvious. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
Let obvious be lynched or vote tube and force a no lynch. On July 18 2012 06:16 JingleHell wrote: Fulla, when he made that post, he was leaving his vote on tube, and also called me suspicious. Does that make us the fourth and fifth scum in that list of three you're accrediting to him? Good point, I overlooked that. Let's see what he flips then. ## Vote Obvious.660 | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 18 2012 06:42 JingleHell wrote: Well, it looks decided so I rest my case. If you're right then I have a lot to reconsider.And frankly, I don't expect Obvious to be a mislynch. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 18 2012 07:10 Fulla wrote: Where the hell is obvious? Sigh.. It seems it's all down to me, I hate it when this happens. Let obvious be lynched or vote tube and force a no lynch. Good point, I overlooked that. Let's see what he flips then. ## Vote Obvious.660 Well, we're actually plurality lynch, most votes at the end of the day, in case of a tie, first to the number. We have to intentionally decide, as a group, to no-lynch. Which, depending on how the mod runs it, can be iffy. In Newbie XVIII, it would only fly if literally everyone agreed to no-lynch. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Probulous
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Vote Count Obvious.660 (6): Tube (2): YourHarry (0): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (3): JingleHell (0): Obvious.660 set to be lynched + Show Spoiler [Previous Vote Count] + On July 18 2012 05:43 Acrofales wrote: V V V V VOTE COUNT!!! Obvious.660 (4): Tube (3): YourHarry (2): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (1): JingleHell (0): Not yet voted: Fulla Obvious.660 set to be lynched You have about 2 1/4 hours till the deadline. Please use the correct format for voting, including ##s and unvotes when needed. Wrong votes will not be found by cntrl-f + Show Spoiler [previous count] + V V V V VOTE COUNT!!! Obvious.660 (3): Tube (1): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (1): calgar YourHarry (1): Not yet voted: Fulla, Mufaa, drwiggl3s, YourHarry, Evulrabbitz You have about 6 hours till the deadline. + Show Spoiler [previous count] + On July 17 2012 14:55 Probulous wrote: Vote Count Obvious.660 (2): YourHarry, JingleHell Tube (1): YourHarry (0): You have about 17 hours till the deadline. | ||
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Probulous
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