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Ok, just re-read the filters. Fulla and Evulrabbitz: Where are you? Post a thought of some sort, it's almost the end of D1 and you haven't even posted suspicions once.
Regarding Obvious.660's scum list, that doesn't necessarily mean he is scum. I do agree that posting full lists usually doesn't help, but in the previous game I played and from what I've seen in random other games the scum are usually hiding behind lists after someone else has posted one so they know they won't get massive flack for it. I'm not sure about Obvious in general, but that list is far from incriminating in my eyes.
Currently I'd like to see a lynch on Iamperfection since every person he attacks is already the focus of the thread. The only really unique thing he has contributed is that Calgar probably isn't scum since Calgar voted for him after Iamperfection voted for Calgar. He then follows that up by not addressing Calgar's legitimite points (poor logic, bandwagoning, ignoring questions) and says "if anyone else wants to come at me, bring it." This reeks of scum just staying active while not actually contributing anything. If he was town he'd have no reason to be so hostile there, Calgar wasn't getting heated when questioning him. What are you so defensive about Iamperfection?
##Vote Iamperfection
On July 17 2012 22:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:06 Obvious.660 wrote:
There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town.
> tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered.
> YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE.
> JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard.
> Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here.
> Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep.
> iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here.
> Calgar: My gut tells me town.
> Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today.
> drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet.
> Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time.
> Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play.
If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch. Isnt posting meaningless lists about every one in the game a way that mafia try to do to buy town cred. By being non commital you are trying to keep you options open so nothing can be used against you later. In fact the first guide that is posted in this thread states that what you just did is something scum do to try and hide. Why would a townie try and do something like that. I would say you are reading a diffrent section of the guide. ## Vote Obvious.660 Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:39 calgar wrote:On July 17 2012 13:30 iamperfection wrote:
And two can play at this game calgar i still got my eye on you. You've managed to vaguely reply to my post, yet you've addressed none of the content. You've lurked and been generally unproductive. You come in and point two fingers immediately but fail to later support your case. You get your case from another person and add no thought to it. You use poor logic and disregard my direct questions to you. ##Vote iamperfection I remove my FOS calgar I dont think a scum player would just outright vote for me after i acussed them. And if anyone elses wants to come after the perfect one i say bring it.
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@jingle Thanks for the concise summary. I can see why you suspect him but I’ve interpreted everything differently. I don’t see the list as a sign of mafia summary/clutter. I agree with a lot of what he has written; he’s suspicious of some of the same people I am. I could just as easily be on the block for ‘wait and see’, when he’s on it for under the bus. I’ll agree it’s bizarre to turn it into a case against you (you’re referring to YourHarry here, I assume). What do you think of iamperfection?
@YourHarry
On July 18 2012 04:27 YourHarry wrote:1. I responded against hapha's case. Please read it and let me know what you think.
I see your reasoning and think a lot of it makes sense. You’ve still behaved in an anti-town manner which is why I am suspicious in the first place. You can’t deny it’s suspicious to say “we need to vote it’s getting close” followed by “I don’t know, abstain”.
2. I pissed you off by posting one liners! LOL. Anyways, is it anti-town? Hmm, I guess putting in more thoughts and reasoning behind the posts would serve the town better. But after I read the posts, I did not have a strong opinion. So I posted one liners to incite some reactions. Either way, is it a sign of scum? I don't particularly see a reason why scum would want to bring attention to himself by posting spam one-liners to piss people off.
Yes, those posts annoyed me. Tube also, judging from his comment. The town benefits from direction, clarity, and transparency. Your posts have contained none of that in many cases. You’re WIFOMing me now but it’s anti-town regardless.
On July 18 2012 04:34 YourHarry wrote:And calgar, how could you! After I defended your "wait and see" comment 
This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. What is the point of this post? You defended me, so what, I don’t owe you any loyalty when you have been posting like you have. Act pro-town and you’ll earn my trust.
OK. How should i have played if I wanted to lay low, LOL. I am BTW not claiming blue here LOL. WIFOM LOL. Are you role hunting here?!! I start to ramble here; I’m not sure exactly what I mean. Wondering why your posting was useless for a time and throwing out random/unlikely possibilities. Apologies for lack of clarity.
In summary, I think your play has been anti-town but perhaps not enough to warrant a vote. Regardless, it doesn’t look like my vote will matter today. I’ll leave it on you for now considering people won't go for my other choices.
@ people voting for obvious.660
I still disagree with going for obvious. He has tried to be active, promote discussion, and make reads. I think he's posted a little carelessly and everyone is targeting him now. These mistakes are being interpreted for mafia but I'm seeing it as a town who is trying to be proactive. We still have mufaa and iamperfection playing like sheep, like 2 posts, weak reads, no content. I consider both to be a better lynch than obvious.660.
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On July 18 2012 05:15 Mufaa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok, just re-read the filters. Fulla and Evulrabbitz: Where are you? Post a thought of some sort, it's almost the end of D1 and you haven't even posted suspicions once. Regarding Obvious.660's scum list, that doesn't necessarily mean he is scum. I do agree that posting full lists usually doesn't help, but in the previous game I played and from what I've seen in random other games the scum are usually hiding behind lists after someone else has posted one so they know they won't get massive flack for it. I'm not sure about Obvious in general, but that list is far from incriminating in my eyes. Currently I'd like to see a lynch on Iamperfection since every person he attacks is already the focus of the thread. The only really unique thing he has contributed is that Calgar probably isn't scum since Calgar voted for him after Iamperfection voted for Calgar. He then follows that up by not addressing Calgar's legitimite points (poor logic, bandwagoning, ignoring questions) and says "if anyone else wants to come at me, bring it." This reeks of scum just staying active while not actually contributing anything. If he was town he'd have no reason to be so hostile there, Calgar wasn't getting heated when questioning him. What are you so defensive about Iamperfection? ##Vote IamperfectionOn July 17 2012 22:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:06 Obvious.660 wrote:
There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town.
> tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered.
> YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE.
> JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard.
> Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here.
> Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep.
> iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here.
> Calgar: My gut tells me town.
> Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today.
> drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet.
> Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time.
> Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play.
If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch. Isnt posting meaningless lists about every one in the game a way that mafia try to do to buy town cred. By being non commital you are trying to keep you options open so nothing can be used against you later. In fact the first guide that is posted in this thread states that what you just did is something scum do to try and hide. Why would a townie try and do something like that. I would say you are reading a diffrent section of the guide. ## Vote Obvious.660 Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:39 calgar wrote:On July 17 2012 13:30 iamperfection wrote:
And two can play at this game calgar i still got my eye on you. You've managed to vaguely reply to my post, yet you've addressed none of the content. You've lurked and been generally unproductive. You come in and point two fingers immediately but fail to later support your case. You get your case from another person and add no thought to it. You use poor logic and disregard my direct questions to you. ##Vote iamperfection I remove my FOS calgar I dont think a scum player would just outright vote for me after i acussed them. And if anyone elses wants to come after the perfect one i say bring it. Thank you for posting that - I just attacked you a second ago because you had no posts in like the last 24 hours. I withdraw my comment because I agree with your reasoning.
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Calgar: I think perfection bears watching. His content is suspicious, but he posts so rarely that it's hard to tell if he's waiting to jump on bandwagons, or if he's just not that active. We'll probably have better information on him based on lynch flips.
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@hapa Will you consider swinging your vote to iamperfection? We can potentially bag him over obvious.660 if we can convince people. I think the argument against iamperfection is stronger than YourHarry now. He made some points and if his posting shapes up and continues like it has then we'll know more. At least we've 'aired the dirty laundry' on him, so to speak.
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Tube, here's your posting style at the start of our game:
On July 16 2012 09:51 tube wrote:
i see
On July 16 2012 10:26 tube wrote:
in a game this small where everyone said "i will be active" i dont think lurking is a good idea for anyone, esp mafia
idk what igmeoy means but i just didnt do any analysis
what lol
maybe i just dont see anything to analyze in day 1 with no information
On July 17 2012 05:08 tube wrote:
jesus what is with all this hostility
On July 17 2012 05:08 tube wrote:
elmo and whatnot
On July 17 2012 05:13 tube wrote:
you really like putting words in people's mouth to try to sound more convincing dont you
On July 17 2012 05:14 tube wrote:
ok ill try to go into more detail about previous arguments brb
On July 17 2012 05:22 tube wrote:
i didnt martyr myself i thought making a sarcastic statement like that would make people realize how pointless it is to lynch me
On July 17 2012 05:58 tube wrote:
i looked up chainsaw defense and how did i attack anyone by posting a list of lurkers
i think hes just a really aggressive (too much so, to be honest) player im not convinced in anyway that he's either alignment
On July 17 2012 06:07 tube wrote:
whats funny about it
On July 17 2012 06:37 tube wrote:
by the by that also applies to jinglehell's reasoning as to why i should be lynched
On July 17 2012 06:45 tube wrote:
ebwop: for being careful
That isn't even all the one liners that you've posted so far. Majorly shitting up the thread with these useless posts with no decent discussion behind them is a noob-mafia play. You have over 30 posts. And before you changed your posting style they were mostly one liners like these.
Finally when enough people called you out on it you began to post better discussion and actually decent posts, but to me I still think your a scum that is skirting by right now. The only one contribution you had so far was calling out lurkers when the heat was on you and making a list of their names. The only reason you're not being lynched right now is because people have tunneled onto other people since then. But I still think your dramatic change in attitude, posting style, and content is evidence of coaching.
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On July 18 2012 05:25 calgar wrote:
@hapa Will you consider swinging your vote to iamperfection? We can potentially bag him over obvious.660 if we can convince people. I think the argument against iamperfection is stronger than YourHarry now. He made some points and if his posting shapes up and continues like it has then we'll know more. At least we've 'aired the dirty laundry' on him, so to speak.
I haven't gone through iamperfection's filter all too thorougly yet. Let me take a look, and I'll get back to you in a few minutes.
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On July 18 2012 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 05:25 calgar wrote:
@hapa Will you consider swinging your vote to iamperfection? We can potentially bag him over obvious.660 if we can convince people. I think the argument against iamperfection is stronger than YourHarry now. He made some points and if his posting shapes up and continues like it has then we'll know more. At least we've 'aired the dirty laundry' on him, so to speak. I haven't gone through iamperfection's filter all too thorougly yet. Let me take a look, and I'll get back to you in a few minutes.
That's all it should take 
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At the beginning I made shorter posts because I wanted to establish my presence, but without lying. I could only do so by posting my feelings because there was no knowledge to go off of as the game had just started.
If you actually read them in context, by the way, you can see that most of them were actually early, candid responses to the accusations first thrown at me.
During that phase of the game, by the way, all you did was post your own shitty one-liners or be completely inactive.
On July 16 2012 09:18 drwiggl3s wrote:
Goodluck all. Hope everyone here is also watching NASL grand finals :D
On July 17 2012 06:06 drwiggl3s wrote:What makes you think that he isn't Mafia himself?
On July 17 2012 06:07 drwiggl3s wrote:
ebwop:
laughing hard at your ebwop
Also you're saying that even though I decided to make longer posts it still means I'm scum? You're on the same wrong boat that Obvious realized didn't make any sense. The one with a sign saying "TUBE GOT COACHED HE'S SCUM". The reason people were voting me to begin with is because my posts were short and empty, so I changed that to make it more obvious that I'm town.
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And why are you dismissing the accusations against Obvious as petty bandwagons, he hasn't even defended himself yet.
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V V V V VOTE COUNT!!!
Obvious.660 (4): YourHarry, JingleHell, iamperfection, tube, Evulrabbitz
Tube (3): JingleHell, Obvious.660, YourHarry, drwiggl3s
YourHarry (2): JingleHell, Hapahauli, calgar
Fulla (1): Hopeless1der
iamperfection (1): calgar, Mufaa
JingleHell (0): YourHarry
Not yet voted: Fulla
Obvious.660 set to be lynched
You have about 2 1/4 hours till the deadline. Please use the correct format for voting, including ##s and unvotes when needed. Wrong votes will not be found by cntrl-f
+ Show Spoiler [previous count] +On July 18 2012 01:56 Acrofales wrote:V V V V VOTE COUNT!!! Obvious.660 (3): YourHarry, JingleHell, iamperfection, tube Tube (1): JingleHell, Obvious.660 Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (1): calgar YourHarry (1): JingleHell, Hapahauli Not yet voted: Fulla, Mufaa, drwiggl3s, YourHarry, EvulrabbitzYou have about 6 hours till the deadline.+ Show Spoiler [previous count] +On July 17 2012 14:55 Probulous wrote:Vote Count Obvious.660 (2): YourHarry, JingleHell Tube (1): JingleHell, Obvious.660 YourHarry (0): JingleHellYou have about 17 hours till the deadline.
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On July 18 2012 05:18 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 04:34 YourHarry wrote:And calgar, how could you! After I defended your "wait and see" comment This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. What is the point of this post? You defended me, so what, I don’t owe you any loyalty when you have been posting like you have. Act pro-town and you’ll earn my trust.
OK... Wait a sec. I obviously was joking here...
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I'm back for a few hours now, until deadline so I'll try to respond to everything.
Tube
I don't think he's suspicious simply for posting 1 liners, it just comes across as an eager noob trying to play the game to me. When challenged and asked to stop tube he responded and tried to improve.
I think it comes down to 2 things:
- What are the realistic chances of him flipping scum?
- Should he flip town, do we atleast learn anything, such as accuser X/Y are 100% scum then. So we get them after. or the blues know who to check.
This is why I asked my question as whether statistically over eager/excited 1liner posters in the first 24 hours, do they usually flip scum? If like 90% never do, I'd lean strongly to not lynching him. I atleast thought this was a relevant question.
Next up Obvious..
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On July 18 2012 05:47 YourHarry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 05:18 calgar wrote:On July 18 2012 04:34 YourHarry wrote:And calgar, how could you! After I defended your "wait and see" comment This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. What is the point of this post? You defended me, so what, I don’t owe you any loyalty when you have been posting like you have. Act pro-town and you’ll earn my trust. OK... Wait a sec. I obviously was joking here... I couldn't tell, apologies. I'm more critical of everything you say now because I don't like what I've read into you motive-wise.
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Harry: You need to Unvote... that was kinda why he dropped that hint.
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On July 18 2012 05:41 tube wrote:
And why are you dismissing the accusations against Obvious as petty bandwagons, he hasn't even defended himself yet.
Don't you think if he was really mafia.. He'd be here defending himself? is the case against him SO STRONG that he sees it as an imovable mountain that can never be overcome?
If obvious was really mafia his scum buddies would be pressuring him to post. They would be defending him, or trying to push lynches even harder onto other players. The fact that he hasn't posted to defend himself, the fact that no one is strongly defending him, tells me that he's probably not mafia.
Also you saying I posted a bunch of one liners is halarious coming from you. Anyone with half a second can check out my filter and see that's simply not true.
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EBWOP: Unvote before changing votes, that is.
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OK first time I forgot the ##. Here I go again:
##Unvote
##Vote Obvious.660
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On July 18 2012 05:25 calgar wrote:
@hapa Will you consider swinging your vote to iamperfection? We can potentially bag him over obvious.660 if we can convince people. I think the argument against iamperfection is stronger than YourHarry now. He made some points and if his posting shapes up and continues like it has then we'll know more. At least we've 'aired the dirty laundry' on him, so to speak.
Welp. YourHarry is still my #1 Mafia read. Regardless, I feel pretty strongly about my obvious.660 townie read, and if we can save him from getting lynched by voting for a semi-suspicious player, I'll do so.
[/b]##Unvote YourHarry
##Vote iamperfection[/b]
NOTE: I have to catch a train and I'll be gone until close to the lynch deadline. Can I rely on you to lobby for the iamperfection lynch Calgar?
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