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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
I see now. I didn't fully think through DropBear's post. I am also wary of how obvious Risen's breadcrumb was. It's almost like he wanted player's to catch it. Still reading Risen's filter and cross-checking it with the thread. @ sciberbia, s0Lstice, Mattchew & gonzaw Given the recent evidence posted, do you think Risen's cop claim is legit? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On July 19 2012 09:23 Risen wrote: I'm fairly certain I answered. With scum gonzaw matt is the only link I see. I think he's playing to his #1 townie meta if gonzaw is scum. Therefore, scum gonzaw = scum matt. And what wasn't answered there keir? I'm sorry, but am I the only one completely confused by this? What exactly do you mean by "matt is the only link I see"? Why can't you see a dropbear + gonzaw scumteam or a keirathi + gonzaw scumteam? Also, if gonzaw's being scum implies that mattchew is strictly adhering to his town meta, isn't the logical conclusion that matt is town? Since when is acting like a townie a scumtell? Is anybody else confused by this or I am just retarded? On July 19 2012 09:10 sciberbia wrote: 1) On N1, you got an inno check on strongandbig 2) On N2, you got an inno check on s0Lstice 3) You did not think gonzaw was scum at the start of D3 4) You intentionally started a wagon on gonzaw just to see who would jump on the wagon 5) You think that keirathi is scum because he jumped on the wagon so easily, and he also is interested in lynching you 6) You still do not think gonzaw is scum 7) You mistakenly used the word 'bus' when referring to you (Risen) starting a wagon on gonzaw Also, can you please confirm that all 7 of these statements are true, or otherwise point out where I am wrong? | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
No, I have no idea either. It confuses me too. @ Risen Is there something we're missing here? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
If gonzaw flipped scum, I wouldn't necessarily say that "OMG MATTCHEW IS SCUM", but I wouldn't discount the possibility either. I feel like he just leeched off of your cases both of the last 2 days with rather weak arguments compared to yours. I'm not sure why he would double-bus, though, nor do I understand why Risen believes that. Basically what I'm saying is that even if gonzaw flips scum, I wouldn't look into Mattchew too much until it was LYLO. Then I would think carefully about the possibility of a double bus, especially if it was the day with 3 people left. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I've been scum with matt before and so I'm probably (read as: I am) being biased because he's so hard to read. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I'm not saying Mattchew is cleared if we lynch gonzaw flips scum, but Risen has made some seriously questionable breaches in logic IMO and I'm trying to figure out if he is the real cop or is just bs'ing us. So I want to hear his reasoning. Risen's POV: 1) He thinks keirathi + dropbear are the scumteam 2) But if gonzaw flips red, suddenly holy shit, let's lynch Mattchew I don't get it. And I still want him to confirm my 7 points are true. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 19 2012 09:30 sciberbia wrote: I'm sorry, but am I the only one completely confused by this? What exactly do you mean by "matt is the only link I see"? Why can't you see a dropbear + gonzaw scumteam or a keirathi + gonzaw scumteam? Also, if gonzaw's being scum implies that mattchew is strictly adhering to his town meta, isn't the logical conclusion that matt is town? Since when is acting like a townie a scumtell? Is anybody else confused by this or I am just retarded? Also, can you please confirm that all 7 of these statements are true, or otherwise point out where I am wrong? He thinks that I am the only one that could be Gonzaws partner because A. He (gonzaw) was wishy washy and hesitant to lynch Talis, just like he is acting with me and B. I am known to bus all my teammates ruthlessly. Also, gonzaw has push for a keirathi lynch HARD so thats probably not his teammate and idk why Risen doesn't see dropbear as a possible teammate. heres the thing though Gonzaw is scum. I have made a full case against him, which not enough of you have taken the time to read and respond to. Right now, like literally as you read this post, go back and read through it. This means Risen, I love you dearly, but you are wrong about me being his teammate. I have my suspicions of who is teammate could and could not be, but this really doesn't matter right now. We need to lynch a scum, not the entire scum team. If we lynch scum today we go up 6 town to 1 scum come day 4. With the ability to confirm Risen and get more confirmed town then night kills and lynches we will basically be unable to lose. This is why we lynch Gonzaw. I would really really like to see why people are not voting him | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Gonzaw will probably get my vote. I've already explained how I find him suspicious. There is just a lot going on recently and I need to digest it. I'm going out for a run. I'll be back in a little while. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Matt you should be ok with this since it's 1 for 1 and you get all tomorrow to make a case on who to lynch after you're dead. As it stands, though, my vote is staying on keir because he's in the lead to get lynched and he's my read. If it comes down to one vote I'll vote gonzaw, not otherwise. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll report the results of my check and then we go from there (likely a risen lynch but then we have another confirmed terran or red check) | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 19 2012 09:57 Risen wrote: I'll lynch gonzaw if you promise me to lynch keir if he flips town and matt if he's red. (I'm dying tonight, no questions asked. Scum absolutely can't afford me living) Matt you should be ok with this since it's 1 for 1 and you get all tomorrow to make a case on who to lynch after you're dead. As it stands, though, my vote is staying on keir because he's in the lead to get lynched and he's my read. If it comes down to one vote I'll vote gonzaw, not otherwise. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll report the results of my check and then we go from there (likely a risen lynch but then we have another confirmed terran or red check) Why can't I be scum with gonzaw? If you really think I'm scum, then I'm not sure why the gonzaw flip would matter. I've neither pressured gonzaw nor defended him to any extent. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:02 Keirathi wrote: Why can't I be scum with gonzaw? If you really think I'm scum, then I'm not sure why the gonzaw flip would matter. I've neither pressured gonzaw nor defended him to any extent. Well if you manage to dodge a lynch I'm checking you tonight and after matt is lynched I think town will be able to get its act together and lynch you. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
To explain further: your connection to a scum gonzaw is weaker imo than matt's | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
You've given scum ammunition. You've laid out your plans for what you want to do. What if the mafia has a framer? You just told them who you were going to check. What if mafia has a roleblocker? They have no reason to ever kill you if they can just relegate you to "extremely suspicious VT" for the rest of the game until you die. If they can keep you alive until the LYLO day, then they've basically won anyways. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:10 Keirathi wrote: This is what I don't like about you claiming early before you had to if you really are cop. You've given scum ammunition. You've laid out your plans for what you want to do. What if the mafia has a framer? You just told them who you were going to check. What if mafia has a roleblocker? They have no reason to ever kill you if they can just relegate you to "extremely suspicious VT" for the rest of the game until you die. If they can keep you alive until the LYLO day, then they've basically won anyways. Those are real possibilities and bummer if that's how it plays out. Town needs to play with the information they have, though, not pure speculation from you. Please kill keir, he's such a fluff... | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
@ Risen This possibility popped into my head and I just need to get an answer. Risen are you fakeclaiming cop and are you the mason? At this point, if you are the mason I'd just like you to claim since this cop claim has taken up so much of the discussion today. | ||
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