Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 10 2012 08:48 Chezinu wrote:
Hey Guys, I'm Chezinu!

On July 10 2012 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm setting up print files going "Man, I FEEL mighty!"

On July 10 2012 10:20 gonzaw wrote:
lol the player rooster is awesome.


Occupy TL Mafia!
Those CEOs must fall!

On July 10 2012 15:19 Ver wrote:
Do whatever you want pregame but remember once the game begins the bureaucracy will strike down your spam!

On July 12 2012 03:17 gonzaw wrote:
Considering usual smurf play these last few games he'll most likely just smurf-fail and post from his real account soon after the game starts, so we'll get to know who he is.

On July 12 2012 03:45 austinmcc wrote:


Hey now.



Granted, one of your posts got ninjaed and so that contradiction wasn't there, but I was paying attention to what you said.

On July 13 2012 09:27 Probulous wrote:
I be sad..

There is no Ace

There is no Radfield

There is no Palmar

On July 16 2012 14:24 Protactinium wrote:
As a reminder, spam and BM will not be tolerated. If you have any questions if a behavior is acceptable, feel free to PM me. If you have complaints about other players' behavior, feel free to PM me about that too.

8. Bill Murray

On July 17 2012 07:52 Katina wrote:


Palmar mostly. Wouldn't mind syllo, or Mattchew.

On July 17 2012 10:06 Q-bert-Z wrote:


Understood. I am once again humbled by your wisdom. Perhaps with time I will to be able to see through the lies that cloud my vision.

Creating an atmosphere where participation is encouraged is very important. We must strike a balance between comfort, and discomfort, bringing chaos to the mafia while drawing out order for the town. A difficult task indeed. I will think on it further and let you know my thoughts at a later time.


Hmm. I seem to have forgotten something...what could it....b...AH. That's right.
##Vote: Kurumi

die evil meany.

On July 17 2012 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, Wiggles isn't in the game sweetheart

On July 17 2012 10:11 Q-bert-Z wrote:


Forgive me, I am not gifted with my fingers and must type slowly. I had not seen the launch when I typed up that post. Please though, do not take such a harsh tone, it will only serve to scare the shy ones away from contributing! We musn't have that.

On July 17 2012 10:12 Probulous wrote:
Hmm I thought layabout was completely AFK. I didn't even realise he had posted.

I agree that he is undermining Sandro for no reason. It is also a really strange place to start. He pops in to doubt something that makes 0 sense to doubt and then disappears. No comment on Syllo, Foolishness, MZ, or anyone for that matter.

I could get down with his lynch but I still prefer Syllo. Bugs, your thoughts on Syllo?

On July 16 2012 18:11 syllogism wrote:

Really? That's the last person I would expect him to be, how do you figure? Anyway, you don't usually mind role playing (or trolling? which is it?) so do you just have a problem with sinani in particular doing that?

On July 17 2012 03:26 syllogism wrote:

Why do you "know" that you are an easy target to be "mislynched"? Has this been a common occurrence? Why do you keep mentioning WBG and comparing mattchew's play to his, it's not relevant at all. I agree with mattchew in the sense that some parts of your palmar "case" were weak and perhaps suspiciously so, but at the same time Palmar is clearly 100% trolling so far so he could very well be mafia. I think the only thing about his play that could point towards him being town is the fact he outed sinani's smurf, which isn't very smart to do in this setup if you are mafia as the person whose smurf you are outing may also be mafia.

What do you think about meapak's play so far?

On July 17 2012 10:20 Mattchew wrote:

why do you want me dead?

On July 17 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote:
That last paragraph bugs... makes no sense :x Or, at least, if it did make sense, it no longer makes sense now you said it

On July 17 2012 10:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so bugs, a tl;dr of that post would be "syllo is scum but let's not kill him."

On July 17 2012 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think the part where probulous and I got hung up is how you focus most of your post on syllo and provide reasons why he's scum, then tell us we should actually kill layabout and give no reasons.

On July 17 2012 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
bugs: - eh... i keep deleting :p

you're obviously not particularly confident in your read on him if you wrote what you wrote anyway. if you're fairly confident he's scum then you have no reason to believe he wouldn't try to mislead town if he lived.

aren't you really saying you think he's scummy but you wanna give him a 2nd chance?

On July 17 2012 10:35 marvellosity wrote:


yeah i got that. putting something in caps that you already said doesn't make it go in my head twice.

I'm not asking why you don't want to lynch him today, I'm questioning your line of thinking that someone you believe to be scum would help us find scum.

On July 17 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:
you're going to have to humour me here bugs

how does one find scum scummily?

On July 17 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm considering Prob...here's the thing. BH is known to use questionable logic regardless of alignment (like someone else I know).

On July 17 2012 11:02 Probulous wrote:


Can you answer my question please. Why would Syllo cooperate if he doesn't think he will get lynched?

On July 17 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote:
##block: Chezinu

I was hoping not to have to use this.

On July 17 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
@Bugs

Do we even know if there is a block ability?

On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:


Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with.

*I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself).

On July 17 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:


And it's for this reason I can't automatically block Kurumi. And how am I supposed to know that you can ##nuke without having nukes? I'm not intimately familiar with chezinu, the man is utterly opaque to me. He had (or so it appeared) edited a post and for all I know he was planning to launch his nuke for being modkilled.

On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:


Okay, so what's ignorant in that post?

1) I can't automatically block kurumi -- seems reasonable

On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
2) TYPICALLY in games with dayvigs you're not allowed to ##kill unless you have the ability to do so (as in that game where V7 was a jack and shot soap) -- also reasonable

On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
3) I'm not familiar with chezinu -- I'm not. check my history.

On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
4) he looked like he edited a post -- he did. I'm not the only one who was fooled, I'm sure

THATS A REASONABLE POST. Don't make it out like it's not.

On July 17 2012 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
WBG what are your thoughts on syllo's push on Prob? Did it seem sincere to you? Do you agree with any of the points raised against Probulous by syllo?

On July 17 2012 12:09 HiroPro wrote:
WBG, there's something I don't get about your "let syllo find scum for us". You think that layabout is scummier than syllogism. Ok, fine. But then why even bring up that whole talk (not only does it seem fairly illogical to me), but why would you even feel the need to justify yourself like that?

On July 17 2012 12:54 Blazinghand wrote:


Stop him from killing RoL, over stopping someone from killing you, when you know you yourself are town? I'd save the guy I know to be town: myself.

On July 17 2012 12:54 Blazinghand wrote:


I don't give a fuck about your history, the fact is that if you're reading Chezinu's posts from this game you should understand what kind of a player he is.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's a troll and thus should only be taken seriously if he's acting serious. The fact that you didn't realize this by now is a strong suggestion that you're not reading his posts.

On July 17 2012 15:18 Q-bert-Z wrote:




Dude. It's a game. Getting tired of this. Save your swearing for when it's warranted, and keep the town environment a little friendlier.

On July 17 2012 14:33 Mattchew wrote:
wbg. He finds syllo kinda suspicous but doesnt really post any reason, wants to lynch BH and "outted" Kurumi. Am I missing something? I disagree with his read on BH. I think Kurumi is like dead or something.... I am still all for MZ lynch (he included him in his list of Palmar/syllo/MZ but hasn't really commented on MZ or Palmar other than + Show Spoiler +)

What exactly are you looking for me to take from sandroba's filter that I haven't already commented on?

On July 17 2012 13:17 Probulous wrote:
Bugs the issue I have with your case is that it rests on BH having the mental fortitude to stop and actually think about the situation. It would be awefully tempting to straight up stop a nuke heading your way. Yes waiting until confirmation from the mods would have been the best play, that or stopping Kurumi's nuke, or both. He clearly responded rashly but whether it is town rash protecting their ass, or scum rash protecting their ass, I'm not sure.

As for taking Chezinu seriously, he may make crazy obfuscating posts but there is some nuggets of info in there. People troll but that doesn't mean you can't take their actions seriously.

On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:

Ignore List:
Mattchew
Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?

Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.

And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.

##Vote: syllogism

On July 17 2012 15:47 Foolishness wrote:
And also, doesn't blazinghand try to do the whole, "I'm going to try to post like a sane person and make sure all my sentences make complete sense" thing when he's mafia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing that game where he was 3rd party and he was so obviously not town cause he was posting paragraphs of babble trying to look normal and helpful.

On July 17 2012 01:27 Blazinghand wrote:
If I was "pretty sure" someone was scum my vote would be on him like white on rice.

On July 17 2012 01:53 Blazinghand wrote:
But would you literally call the guy scum and say you want to lynch him AND not vote him? This strikes me as insane. And honestly, voting someone doesn't cause them to talk less... it causes them to talk more, doesn't it? Make the scum come out of his hole. Makes his buddies come out to help him. I think you're just wrong.

On July 17 2012 07:59 Blazinghand wrote:


OK you know what I'm just gonna let that slide cause clearly I gotta correct some negativity in here. Check it. If you really think town won't listen to what you have to say, that's fine. But I *personally* promise to you that if you post some cases and flip town, I will PUSH THEM for you after you die. You know me-- I can push a case. I'll find one that I find reasonable, and I'll supplement it with my own case. And this will be a grand turning point for TL towns. What do you say?

If you really think TL Towns are bad, whining rather than helping certainly won't make them good.

Come, Kurumi. Let's change things for the better.

On July 17 2012 11:28 Blazinghand wrote:
For what it's worth, I actually CAUSED several of the changes in the flavor of the hour, rather than the other way around <3

On July 17 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:


As a town player, I definitely never move my vote around a bunch in the same day so CLEARLY that's grounds for me being scum. CLEARLY>

On July 17 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:


Man, you know

you know what

I hate you so much

I can't even express how mad I am

On July 17 2012 11:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Did... did you just waste one of our blocks? ._.

On July 17 2012 15:51 Chezinu wrote:
WBG FTW!!!

Your sanity eases my mind. I've been trying to kill blazinghand since the very begining of this game. First I attempt to send a minion to kill him, but that ended up failing.

On July 18 2012 03:04 layabout wrote:
bah Sandro town Kurumi scum.

I must be over thinking things since none of you questioned mafia following a two line message of questionable intent when mafia can only have sent up to 3 messages that could have been as long as they liked and would have been their only method of communication.

Are we ignoring the nuke and just killing Kurumi then?

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lol

On July 18 2012 03:37 layabout wrote:
There is something very demoralising about being ignored and insulted.

If we are killing someone other than Kurumi it should be someone that is being actively disruptive. Town shouldn't do that but scum benefit from it. You all seem to be fine ignoring cheznu so i suggest Q-bert-Z or Blazinghand.

On July 18 2012 04:44 austinmcc wrote:
I have no name cache here, that's fine. But read this with an open mind. Seriously read point (1). Consider whether it makes sense.

(1) Sandroba's role is way, way, way too powerful
Not a single person here knows how sandroba's power works. Mafia, town, 5th party, whatever. Nobody is curious?

Nobody is thinking, jeez, in a game where mafia cannot communicate except through 2 messages per day cycle, 2 messages per night cycle, and there are NINE of them. A game where they might lynch each other, NK each other, use powers on each other. Nobody is going, holy balls, the ability to SEND FAKE MESSAGES is an incredibly, incredibly powerful role?

Think about it. The way sandroba used it, he's a cop. You ask someone to do something, if they do, they must have assumed it was from a mafia higher-up. So if they obey, they're mafia, you got this game's equivalent of a red check. Moreover, you're a cop that cannot be affected by any kind of framing power. Normal cops can be balanced out by gfs, millers, frames. A red check from a normal cop may or may not indicate scum. Saying "Hey use these 3 phrases in your next post to identify yourself" CANNOT be balanced by any mechanic at all. If they obey a message they received, when they had no idea anyone other than mafia could send messages, they must be mafia. Name a single other explanation, because when kurumi tried to give one, it sounded dumb and everyone agreed it sounded dumb.

Moreover, he's not just a cop. He can check people with that power, AND direct their actions. Not only does he know they're red when they follow orders, he can actively direct mafia action because messages are anonymous. He gets a red check AND gets to direct the actions of a mafia member, tell them who to go after, who to defend, etc.

Oh man, austinmcc, that DOES sound pretty powerful now that I think about it. He's a supercop that can't get false checks in a game where mafia have limited communication?

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(2) Sandroba has played scum IN a sleeper cell game in which a powerful role fakeclaim helped win the game
Well, surely he wouldn't claim such a powerful role, right? He'd wait to use it a few more times. I mean, checks AND mafia action disruption, you'd want to keep that secret. Unless, of course, you'd played in another game where a ridiculous check helped win you the game. You know, like, say, Sleeper Cell Mafia. The game where sandroba rolled mafia with Ace as cell leader and Ace claimed the following role:
Ace skated by after claiming this, with the only person who was suspicious of his claim being another cell member. In the postgame, there was a decent bit of discussion about how town should have questioned Ace's claim given that he could (1) intercept messages and (2) shoot. Sandroba's claimed power is basically on about that level, because he's a combination cop and...disruptor? There's no name for that other role as far as I know. It's basically a townie who gets to sit in mafia QT but isn't mafia.

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(3) Sandroba showed balls as a sleeper agent in that same game
Ace claimed to have shot GGQ N3. There was only one kill. Sandroba, as scum, claimed vet on D4 in order to account for the missing KP. So we KNOW he's got the balls to fakeclaim as scum in this style of game. We know that having those balls won him a game, as scum, in this style of game.

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Maybe I'm being paranoid. But maybe that role is a little overpowered to be in a balanced game. Maybe sandroba can play ballsy as scum in this sort of game. Maybe, even if the role isn't overpowered, Sandroba should be smart enough not to out himself because he caught 1/9 of the mafia team with a role that friggin' powerful. Wouldn't you keep that to yourself and catch more? Wouldn't you catch more and actively disrupt mafia communication/actions?

THAT is why I wanted Sandroba to claim. That is why I find him scummy. Get offa mah nuts, because if you actually think about his role, you should be questioning it too. Either scum have RIDICULOUSLY powerful roles to balance things out, or town simply cannot have a guy who ends up being an uncounterable cop PLUS can actively plant fake mafia communications.

On July 18 2012 05:03 austinmcc wrote:
Rastaban

You seem to think Kurumi is actually mafia:
Why are you trusting Kurumi's confirmation of the PM if you think he's mafia? (he, right?)

Bugs

Why is sandro's power a oneshot use? He never said it was. If you think it's one shot because mafia will now doubt all messages, then isn't this game broken? The ONLY communication mafia have is these messages, top to bottom. If messages can no longer be trusted, mafia basically has no communication. They've always got to worry whether it's a legit message or town checking them out, and they have to just...guess as to what anonymous source it came from?

The ONLY reason Sandro can't catch someone with it tomorrow is because he claimed it after finding one single scummy player. Before he announced that, he could have caught every last scum with it. You're not looking at his power the right way, because you're looking at it only after he claimed. And even when known, it's still game-breaking.

On July 18 2012 05:50 austinmcc wrote:
We can. I don't want to. Syllo hasn't made up a ridiculous role (I know some people don't agree, I still see the role as ridiculous). The main reason I'm pushing Sandro is because his role is ridiculous, and when offered a chance to reveal it (maybe it turns out his role is 1-shot, then it becomes believable and doesn't cripple mafia's only source of information once he reveals), he doesn't, despite thinking he's going to get shot.

Because my read isn't based on his demeanor, his posting style, something off about his reads (something you can check on for a day or two), I don't want to leave him up.

On July 18 2012 06:06 austinmcc wrote:

The role itself already cripples mafia. You can plant false messages. You can direct their targets. It's not a choice between giving mafia certainty and giving mafia doubt. Here's the super important distinction. It's actually a choice between giving mafia certainty that they shouldn't have (they are certain any directions are coming from scumbuddies, when in fact they are being directed by a townie) vs. giving mafia doubt. Insert some philosophical line about the enemy you don't see being more dangerous than the enemy you do see.

Why not fully claim as any alignment? You think you're going to get shot.

Why would you actually have this power if you're mafia? I'm not claiming you have this power and are mafia, I'm claiming you're mafia and have made it up.

What's mafia's main advantage in this game? Large numbers. What's mafia's main disadvantage this game? Less information, can't confirm each other.

BOTH of these lead to it being more likely mafia will kill each other. Accidentally, or on purpose (the cost of bussing a member of a 9-man team is less than the cost of bussing a member of a 3 or 6-man team). Since you don't know each other's identities, you don't get much town cred from just voting a guy. But making up a role to trick scum into outing themselves, now there's some town cred. Normal bussing = less cred this game. So you've just figured out a creative way to bus to get yourself cred.

On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote:

Not 100% on this atm but currently the rule is they can't give absolute statements, just orders. i,e no 'players x y z are not mafia, get them killed,' just, 'harass player x.' If they are blatant about trying to give out teammates then they'll be censored. Given enough time executives might figure out ways to smuggle information past the censors but it won't be without risk. There may be other mechanics in place to interfere with such play if it is tried.

There are redundancy factors in place for communication once someone dies but they will be less than normal. In normal games the town wants to prioritize certain mafia to eliminate powers (especially in PYP games) or reduce kp. As eliminating mafia will not reduce kp here, the focus should be geared at disrupting communication by removing the executives.

On July 18 2012 06:06 austinmcc wrote:

The role itself already cripples mafia. You can plant false messages. You can direct their targets. It's not a choice between giving mafia certainty and giving mafia doubt. Here's the super important distinction. It's actually a choice between giving mafia certainty that they shouldn't have (they are certain any directions are coming from scumbuddies, when in fact they are being directed by a townie) vs. giving mafia doubt. Insert some philosophical line about the enemy you don't see being more dangerous than the enemy you do see.

On July 18 2012 06:06 austinmcc wrote:
Why not fully claim as any alignment? You think you're going to get shot.

On July 18 2012 06:06 austinmcc wrote:Why would you actually have this power if you're mafia? I'm not claiming you have this power and are mafia, I'm claiming you're mafia and have made it up.

What's mafia's main advantage in this game? Large numbers. What's mafia's main disadvantage this game? Less information, can't confirm each other.

BOTH of these lead to it being more likely mafia will kill each other. Accidentally, or on purpose (the cost of bussing a member of a 9-man team is less than the cost of bussing a member of a 3 or 6-man team). Since you don't know each other's identities, you don't get much town cred from just voting a guy. But making up a role to trick scum into outing themselves, now there's some town cred. Normal bussing = less cred this game. So you've just figured out a creative way to bus to get yourself cred.

On July 18 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
bugs, have you so quickly forgotten that austin went on for about 2 cycles with the toad/kita/MZ conspiracy in LV?

On July 18 2012 06:37 sandroba wrote:
Fuck new information comes up too fast. Did you play in the game you referred to bugs?

On July 01 2012 22:44 austinmcc wrote:
I'm not comfortable with a Broodking lynch right at this point, although it looks like that wagon has passed somewhat. For one thing, from what I remember, he's been mislynched a few times (out of a small sample size).

• Newbie XIII, D1 mislynch
  
• Student Mafia, D3 mislynch
  
• "Area" LIII, modkilled after D3, so no mislynch. Anyone in that game remember him looking scummy?

I'll admit that I don't find "BKE often looks scummy as town" to be strong reasoning, but for D1 it's enough that I don't want lynch him. I also thought BKE had played in another game or two, but didn't see more in his profile.

However, I'd love for him to clarify his first post, given all this discussion. Broodking, you say that you don't consider those with 4 or 5 games newbies. The rest of the players seem to disagree, and I know that I do (no more newbie games allowed =/= not a newbie in my mind). IF you accept a much more broad definition of noob, like the thread seems to want, would you alter your first post? Should people with something like 4-8 games be treated like the noobs in your post, or treated like more seasoned players?

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I'm alright with adding my vote to mK right now. The whole "role name" thing is actually what I thought Mattchew was referring to earlier when he said a previous poster looked super townie to him, and that was my dumb "don't think you should be trusting that" post. It's in VT pms, it's in the OP, if scum received the VT pm then they had it too, etc. Worried that mK's reaction is a blue who didn't read vs. scum who didn't read (those are the obvious options, so don't get on my junk about possibly revealing blues), but if so, he can defend himself if he ever returns to the thread. The absence in the face of votes doesn't look good to me from that standpoint.

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NoSmurf, initially I read you as one of the more sensible and townie folks in the thread. However, this caught my eye somewhat:





Care to explain your train of thought? Over the course of 2 hours, you went from "probably town" to "completely fine with Mandalor lynch/scumread on Mandalor." Would like for you to articulate why you changed your read there.

On July 18 2012 06:47 sandroba wrote:
Can someone please link me to the supposed austin conspiracy theory on LV?

On July 18 2012 07:00 marvellosity wrote:


This post, this post, this post.

austin has never rolled scum yet and yet he's supposed to be making this sort of play as his first time? I don't see or understand it

On July 18 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote:


it was LIV, quickly followed by LV

I don't understand your point. It's what slOosh says there - what's the payoff for going after sandroba and causing THIS discussion we're having now?

Did austin really think he was going to get sandroba to claim to him and help scum or something? I don't think so.

Your entire post (look! players who are good at scum without practice!) is effectively disproven by the fact that austin is close to getting lynched now for making a fucking dumbass play.

On July 18 2012 07:11 marvellosity wrote:


ok this post is good because i can break it down into two parts

1) i just don't think austin would be blatant like you say there
2) you are absolutely correct that he hasn't scumhunted and that's why i'm torn on the lynch

On July 18 2012 07:17 sandroba wrote:

He can't be both so either way you are wrong =P. Seriously now if you are going to argue something first form an useful opinion.

On July 18 2012 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
wbg I'm not stupid. stop patronising me.

On July 18 2012 07:48 Palmar wrote:


hehe, you're pro.

I'd be fine with policy lynching you!

On July 18 2012 14:39 supersoft wrote:


lol you remember the couples-game where RoL and Kurumi were together in your scumteam and they just did absolutely nothing? like 3 posts total or something like that :-D

ah yes, well it's not optimal, but i am not unhappy about RoLs decision. I mean with kurumi as a sure lynchtarget, we probably wouldn't have been discussing other lynchtargets and stuff in this extend.
It sucks that we had a nolynch, but even from a no-lynch we can get a lot of information. we haven't lost this game yet, that's for sure.

On July 18 2012 15:21 Foolishness wrote:

You were the one behind 3 wagons within a 10 hour period. Instead of just staying on syllogism and Blazinghand from the start you and bugs and others had to run around with the votes. Good job.

On July 18 2012 15:33 Foolishness wrote:

What's your point? So Blazinghand would have gotten lynched anyways, and definitely a lot of people did not have an issue with that. Then you decide to switch to austin. Then you decide to switch to gonzaw. Then you decide to switch back. All in a 10 hour period.

You know better than that.

On July 18 2012 15:50 Foolishness wrote:

Hardly. There were two non-voters (one of which is still alive) and still three people on Austin. And in the grand scheme of things everyone's vote was wasted because nobody got lynched.

You can't honestly expect to sit there and pin this on me or anyone else with a "stupid" vote. I know I was gone right after the austin thing came up and didn't come back until just now. You and everyone else here knows that when the votes switch from person to person in the hours before deadline a no-lynch is the usual outcome. It's practically written in the mafia guide.

And what I know is that you and sandroba were the initial force behind the austin switch. You might have not been here for the gonzaw switch initially, but juding by the voting thread you were one of the starters on the wagon back towards Blazinghand (you were the first person to vote off of gonzaw onto him).

Congratulations! You tripped down some stairs and hit your head. When you woke up, you realized that you were actually a member of the House Chezinu!

That's right! You are now part of the third party, House Chezinu! The first order of business is to get out there and make it known to the world! You'll need some more members to get this really rolling, so spread the word and get recruiting! Once a cycle, you may recruit someone. Simply type "##Recruit: <name> in the thread, and you will be able to recruit a new member! You may use this ability once per day! (Once per cycle, at night) However, you may only have a total of three members besides yourself.

You're part of House Chezinu, so you're above win conditions. (You're already part of House Chezinu, what more do you need to win?) But maybe you can unite the workers in a glorious revolution!

P.S., There's no House Chezinu like a house with Chezinu. Just sayin.

On July 19 2012 06:58 Q-bert-Z wrote:
My fellow workers, it seems you have all been busy. I must take full responsibility for all of this spammy play, I forgot to hang the motivational posters, and encourage smart working, instead of hard working!

To answer those of you who asked for an explanation, I shall oblige you, and aqueous to your request for more information on my whereabouts before the lynch.

Long and short, traveling. I spent a good portion of my time in the air yesterday, and wasn't able to participate. I did put my vote on Sir Blazing once I saw that the only two likely lynches were the aforementioned Sir Blazing, and Gone Zzz. At that point I had landed but was still in transit, so I was able to monitor the thread to some extent in case my vote was needed elsewhere, but Sir Blazing remained the best place for my vote. Hope that clears things up for you.

Now, onto business. If the Mafia indeed have KP as Kurumi's existence would suggest, I have no doubt that the town will also have KP of it's own. People have suggested a night shot on Kurumi, however I must protest against such an action as it has denies the primary function of a vigilante type role: That of being able to shoot those scum you cannot lynch. Save Vig shots for lurkers, and people you can't build cases on. Save the lynch for obvious scum. (Unless you want to no-lynch tomorrow too.)

On July 19 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
bugs, you don't agree with Palmar re: layabout then?

On July 19 2012 07:02 HiroPro wrote:


I wouldn't assume this. I never read PYP:Interesting yet even I've heard of House Chezinu.