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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 02 2012 07:57 GMT
#7
hooooooooooly penis
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 06 2012 00:04 GMT
#37
/in

I hope I don't regret this later :p
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 10 2012 00:27 GMT
#68
On July 10 2012 08:48 Chezinu wrote:
Hey Guys, I'm Chezinu!


Chezinu you are mighty
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 10 2012 00:32 GMT
#70
man that particular music makes coding so much more epic

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 00:43:10
July 10 2012 00:41 GMT
#72
On July 10 2012 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm setting up print files going "Man, I FEEL mighty!"


Totally relevant.

Finally:

What I love so deeply...

+ Show Spoiler [wtf] +
+ Show Spoiler [norly] +
+ Show Spoiler [stopclickingthese] +
You are my friend. Except that trust part. Cause you're crazy as scum.


e: WTF LINKS DON'T WORK IN SPOILERS
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 10 2012 05:07 GMT
#79
On July 10 2012 10:20 gonzaw wrote:
lol the player rooster is awesome.


Occupy TL Mafia!
Those CEOs must fall!


On July 10 2012 10:20 gonzaw wrote:
lol the player rooster is awesome.


On July 10 2012 10:20 gonzaw wrote:
lol the player rooster


On July 10 2012 10:20 gonzaw wrote:
player rooster


On July 10 2012 10:20 gonzaw wrote:
rooster


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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 10 2012 07:09 GMT
#87
On July 10 2012 15:19 Ver wrote:
Do whatever you want pregame but remember once the game begins the bureaucracy will strike down your spam!


##rooster: Ver
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 11 2012 18:24 GMT
#112
On July 12 2012 03:17 gonzaw wrote:
Considering usual smurf play these last few games he'll most likely just smurf-fail and post from his real account soon after the game starts, so we'll get to know who he is.


or you're like me and you smurf in a game only to realize no one cares what you think until you claim who you are, then you get called scum based on identity

no really
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 11 2012 18:57 GMT
#116
On July 12 2012 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 03:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 12 2012 03:17 gonzaw wrote:
Considering usual smurf play these last few games he'll most likely just smurf-fail and post from his real account soon after the game starts, so we'll get to know who he is.


or you're like me and you smurf in a game only to realize no one cares what you think until you claim who you are, then you get called scum based on identity

no really


Hey now.


Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 22:44 austinmcc wrote:
NoSmurf, initially I read you as one of the more sensible and townie folks in the thread. However, this caught my eye somewhat:


On July 01 2012 10:23 NoSmurfHere wrote:
You seem to sincerely believe in such terrible logic, so you're probably town. However I'm not voting BKE just because it's day 1. I don't think anything he's done or said is so far particularly scummy. At no point have I agreed with that terrible case, so why bother acknowledging that the rest of you are idiots for bandwagoning him?

On the other hand mafia lurk to shake suspicion ALL the time. mK seemingly has done exactly this, and if he's mafia certainly it's working.

So, in this case, obviously I'm far more inclined to believe that the guy who is actively trying to stop a bad lynch is town whereas the scummy lurker is not. If mK is town he has a huge incentive to address the votes on him and make a case on his scumreads rather than disappear immediately after voting. Also speculating about his status is pretty stupid when I voted for him fairly quickly after he posted.



On July 01 2012 12:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 01 2012 11:47 Adam4167 wrote:
On July 01 2012 06:40 EchelonTee wrote:
Hey Adam, remember my first game? When sephirothag or whoever crucified himself for no reason? This is the MrZentor variety of it.


I do remember that game, one of my favourites. The difference between sephirotharg and casualman is that sephiroth was trying and making errors, casualman is not even trying at all, just acting obnoxiously.

Vigs, shoot him tonight. Lets not waste a lynch and a full day cycle worth of discussion on someone who is trolling us.




On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote:
On July 01 2012 06:25 layabout wrote:
On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote:
On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:
On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE

I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow.

If you're not caught up why did you vote?


I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early.

Could you maybe share some of your decision making process?

You know, so that we can see you did more than place your vote on the guy with the most votes.


sure.

On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town.
a) kill a lurker
b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game

I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1.

BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that.
I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory.

I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book.


This post stinks. You seem to be ignoring the obvious third choice for town on day 1: we lynch someone acting scummy. You're recommending we lynch BKE on the basis that you don't like people casting early judgments. This is encouraging a passive game, are you afraid of a little bit of heat?

You seem to want to punish BKE for playing badly rather than lynch him for being scum, a scum's bread-and-butter move. In addition, your vote just looks like a blatant bandwagon on the guy currently leading the vote count, you only justified it afterwards when MajuGarzett questioned you about it 5 hours later.

I think you are scum.

##Vote: Mandalor


this is a good case and these are all things I picked up on myself when I read mandalor's posts.

I am completely fine with Mandalor and mKmKmK being lynched today.
Anyone else will take some serious convincing. For now I'm going to keep my vote on mK, but in the interest of consolidation and actually lynching someone I have a scumread on, if that lynch doesn't fly I'll push Mandalor with you.

Care to explain your train of thought? Over the course of 2 hours, you went from "probably town" to "completely fine with Mandalor lynch/scumread on Mandalor." Would like for you to articulate why you changed your read there.

Granted, one of your posts got ninjaed and so that contradiction wasn't there, but I was paying attention to what you said.


this is true!

However, even when I revealed myself I had to tunnel scum for like 24 hours to get a correct wagon lol.

Enough ongoing game talk for now, though. We can discuss it in PMs if you wish :p
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 13 2012 00:32 GMT
#144
On July 13 2012 09:27 Probulous wrote:
I be sad..

There is no Ace

There is no Radfield

There is no Palmar



There is no Prob..

oh fuck
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 16 2012 05:39 GMT
#191
On July 16 2012 14:24 Protactinium wrote:
As a reminder, spam and BM will not be tolerated. If you have any questions if a behavior is acceptable, feel free to PM me. If you have complaints about other players' behavior, feel free to PM me about that too.
[/blue][/b]


8. Bill Murray



oh shit!

btw guys I'm town.

I'll be back at a more decent hour.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 16 2012 06:42 GMT
#203
Kill meapak, he's scum.

##vote Meapak_Ziphh
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 16 2012 21:22 GMT
#464
LOOL SANDRO

Hahahahahaha I love you

##unvote

##vote Kurumi


wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 16 2012 21:26 GMT
#475
I'll be back in about 3 hours: I've skimmed the thread and I saw the last page but I've got class.

Since Kurumi is basically confirmed scum we kill him today. Any objections?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 16 2012 22:48 GMT
#552
Lol @ Kurumi trying to insinuate that mafia know who town are in this setup (hint: they don't)

The desperate flailings and failings of a caught scum, too funny.

Also marv is a good scumhunter, an honorable scumhunter, let no harm befall him. Marv if you're town don't go afk, just ignore Kurumi. You can help me and sandro and whoever else is on town side. I'm still reading, but thoughts to come in a few hours after my lab.

Barring Kurumi I'd like to hear who Katina, Palmar, sandro, and syllo would kill right now.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#591
On July 17 2012 07:52 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Kurumi trying to insinuate that mafia know who town are in this setup (hint: they don't)

The desperate flailings and failings of a caught scum, too funny.

Also marv is a good scumhunter, an honorable scumhunter, let no harm befall him. Marv if you're town don't go afk, just ignore Kurumi. You can help me and sandro and whoever else is on town side. I'm still reading, but thoughts to come in a few hours after my lab.

Barring Kurumi I'd like to hear who Katina, Palmar, sandro, and syllo would kill right now.


Palmar mostly. Wouldn't mind syllo, or Mattchew.


<3

I believe you're the only one who even acknowledged my question.

I agree with all three kills but I'd rank them differently. Wouldn't mind killing Blazingscum and layabout too, they're all scum. All scum, god damn them.

Oh and Wiggles is AFK. Just thought I'd throw that out there, he hasn't posted yet. Possibly rolled scum again, the bastard. OH and BM is afk too. Wtf? Well hell, half the players are afk. W/e.

Let's focus on one player first:

Shit that makes layabout scummy:

Read his filter first, it's not long at all. Keep that in mind for a second.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=233798

He does nothing but shed doubt on sandro's claim. He instantly disbelieves it without considering other evidence. He knows the caliber of sandro's town play yet he doesn't even acknowledge the possibility that sandro could be town.

In addition he's stayed toward the back of the discussion, as he does when he is scum. When he is town he is out in front if he thinks people are being stupid. He will kick and scream and call people retarded if they're doing something he disagrees with. Clearly he disagrees with us sheeping sandro on his catch of Kurumi (otherwise why else would he shed doubt on it?) but notice that he actually doesn't do anything to stop the wagon.

i.e. his doubt is unfounded and he wants to undermine sandro without taking heat for the action itself. Scum tactic.

Kurumi is going to die at the end of the day.

Thus, we should kill someone else. Let's kill this guy for now. Make the bad man fly.

##unvote
##vote layabout
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 01:06 GMT
#594
On July 17 2012 10:06 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 09:46 Chezinu wrote:
*takes of mask*
*takes of second mask*

Q, I understand that your point. Why post-pone our work when we can finish the lynch early and get straight back to work. Kurumi does seem to be the correct candidate given that he is intimidating those who had been quite shy to start communicating. His elimination promotion will provide a more relax atmosphere. Then maybe more people will open up during this training session. I have no been fooling around with foolish post and I am inclined to believe no fool would read my posts. So as of now, I am overlooking the fools.


Understood. I am once again humbled by your wisdom. Perhaps with time I will to be able to see through the lies that cloud my vision.

Creating an atmosphere where participation is encouraged is very important. We must strike a balance between comfort, and discomfort, bringing chaos to the mafia while drawing out order for the town. A difficult task indeed. I will think on it further and let you know my thoughts at a later time.


Hmm. I seem to have forgotten something...what could it....b...AH. That's right.
##Vote: Kurumi

die evil meany.


you're illiterate, are you?

Read the thread before voting Kurumi.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 01:21 GMT
#614
On July 17 2012 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, Wiggles isn't in the game sweetheart


damn me


On July 17 2012 10:11 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 10:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 10:06 Q-bert-Z wrote:
On July 17 2012 09:46 Chezinu wrote:
*takes of mask*
*takes of second mask*

Q, I understand that your point. Why post-pone our work when we can finish the lynch early and get straight back to work. Kurumi does seem to be the correct candidate given that he is intimidating those who had been quite shy to start communicating. His elimination promotion will provide a more relax atmosphere. Then maybe more people will open up during this training session. I have no been fooling around with foolish post and I am inclined to believe no fool would read my posts. So as of now, I am overlooking the fools.


Understood. I am once again humbled by your wisdom. Perhaps with time I will to be able to see through the lies that cloud my vision.

Creating an atmosphere where participation is encouraged is very important. We must strike a balance between comfort, and discomfort, bringing chaos to the mafia while drawing out order for the town. A difficult task indeed. I will think on it further and let you know my thoughts at a later time.


Hmm. I seem to have forgotten something...what could it....b...AH. That's right.
##Vote: Kurumi

die evil meany.


you're illiterate, are you?

Read the thread before voting Kurumi.


Forgive me, I am not gifted with my fingers and must type slowly. I had not seen the launch when I typed up that post. Please though, do not take such a harsh tone, it will only serve to scare the shy ones away from contributing! We musn't have that.


you should claim so that I don't kill you

Are you mafia?


On July 17 2012 10:12 Probulous wrote:
Hmm I thought layabout was completely AFK. I didn't even realise he had posted.

I agree that he is undermining Sandro for no reason. It is also a really strange place to start. He pops in to doubt something that makes 0 sense to doubt and then disappears. No comment on Syllo, Foolishness, MZ, or anyone for that matter.

I could get down with his lynch but I still prefer Syllo. Bugs, your thoughts on Syllo?


syllo is probably scum. I don't think he's lost his touch at scumhunting, so it's unlikely he's rolled town and is just super rusty. However, I don't find him scum for the same reasons other people find him scum (such as Foolishness.) While those reasons have merit, what popped out to me were these things:


On July 16 2012 18:11 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 18:04 Palmar wrote:
On July 16 2012 18:03 syllogism wrote:
On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
Let's random lynch.

As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him.

Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion?


Q-bert-Z is sinani.

He's roleplaying.

Really? That's the last person I would expect him to be, how do you figure? Anyway, you don't usually mind role playing (or trolling? which is it?) so do you just have a problem with sinani in particular doing that?


On July 17 2012 03:26 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew

What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.


Why do you "know" that you are an easy target to be "mislynched"? Has this been a common occurrence? Why do you keep mentioning WBG and comparing mattchew's play to his, it's not relevant at all. I agree with mattchew in the sense that some parts of your palmar "case" were weak and perhaps suspiciously so, but at the same time Palmar is clearly 100% trolling so far so he could very well be mafia. I think the only thing about his play that could point towards him being town is the fact he outed sinani's smurf, which isn't very smart to do in this setup if you are mafia as the person whose smurf you are outing may also be mafia.

What do you think about meapak's play so far?


Syllo almost immediately takes Palmar's claim that q bert is sinani seriously. As town he would at least question this initially. Palmar indeed says that he believes qbert to be sinani based off a /whois on IRC tracing to a Verizon IP, which is in itself rather unreliable because Verizon is a pretty popular ISP in the United States. I myself didn't find Palmar's "evidence" quite convincing given that qbert doesn't even sound like sinani.

However, syllo apparently trusts Palmar's word based on the "if he were mafia he would have no interest in doing this" which is obviously false in this setup. I don't think syllo is that stupid as town to come to such a faulty conclusion on relatively flimsy evidence.

So yes, I do think he's likely to be scum. However, I would very much like to give him the benefit of the doubt for now because I am more confident that layabout is scum (or at least I'd like more time to study the thread and other players as well) and as sandro has said it would be prudent to leave syllo alive for at least another cycle in the case that we are wrong.

Even if he is scum syllo has the capability of catching other scum for us (in this setup particularly). It would be a bit foolish to let go of such a useful tool. Why not make mafia kill each other?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 01:28 GMT
#618
On July 17 2012 10:20 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:52 Katina wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Kurumi trying to insinuate that mafia know who town are in this setup (hint: they don't)

The desperate flailings and failings of a caught scum, too funny.

Also marv is a good scumhunter, an honorable scumhunter, let no harm befall him. Marv if you're town don't go afk, just ignore Kurumi. You can help me and sandro and whoever else is on town side. I'm still reading, but thoughts to come in a few hours after my lab.

Barring Kurumi I'd like to hear who Katina, Palmar, sandro, and syllo would kill right now.


Palmar mostly. Wouldn't mind syllo, or Mattchew.


<3

I believe you're the only one who even acknowledged my question.

I agree with all three kills but I'd rank them differently. Wouldn't mind killing Blazingscum and layabout too, they're all scum. All scum, god damn them.

Oh and Wiggles is AFK. Just thought I'd throw that out there, he hasn't posted yet. Possibly rolled scum again, the bastard. OH and BM is afk too. Wtf? Well hell, half the players are afk. W/e.

Let's focus on one player first:

Shit that makes layabout scummy:

Read his filter first, it's not long at all. Keep that in mind for a second.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=233798

He does nothing but shed doubt on sandro's claim. He instantly disbelieves it without considering other evidence. He knows the caliber of sandro's town play yet he doesn't even acknowledge the possibility that sandro could be town.

In addition he's stayed toward the back of the discussion, as he does when he is scum. When he is town he is out in front if he thinks people are being stupid. He will kick and scream and call people retarded if they're doing something he disagrees with. Clearly he disagrees with us sheeping sandro on his catch of Kurumi (otherwise why else would he shed doubt on it?) but notice that he actually doesn't do anything to stop the wagon.

i.e. his doubt is unfounded and he wants to undermine sandro without taking heat for the action itself. Scum tactic.

Kurumi is going to die at the end of the day.

Thus, we should kill someone else. Let's kill this guy for now. Make the bad man fly.

##unvote
##vote layabout

why do you want me dead?


Given that I only read the latter half of the thread (I'm still missing a lot of information given how long I've been gone) it's only a gut read for now.

I'm reading everything now, but I wanted to get those thoughts I had written down first so that I can personally compare my gut reads to the reads I have based off objective evidence. Gut tells me you're scum. Could be wrong, gotta cement it first.

On July 17 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote:
That last paragraph bugs... makes no sense :x Or, at least, if it did make sense, it no longer makes sense now you said it


tell me what part doesn't make sense to you and I'll elaborate.


On July 17 2012 10:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so bugs, a tl;dr of that post would be "syllo is scum but let's not kill him."


nope, tl;dr is:

"I think syllo is scum but layabout is more likely to be scum. Therefore I'd like to kill layabout over syllo."

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 01:33 GMT
#623
On July 17 2012 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think the part where probulous and I got hung up is how you focus most of your post on syllo and provide reasons why he's scum, then tell us we should actually kill layabout and give no reasons.


whoa, why are you speaking FOR probulous?

holy shit are you scum with Probulous?

Probulous never mentioned that post, he hasn't replied to it yet. Also I already elaborated on why layabout is scum in the post before that.

So,

#1. You're talking for someone else
#2. You're not reading the thread

you really are scum!
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