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On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lulz didn't scroll. So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on. So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? | ||
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On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote: Let's random lynch. As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion? | ||
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Really? That's the last person I would expect him to be, how do you figure? Anyway, you don't usually mind role playing (or trolling? which is it?) so do you just have a problem with sinani in particular doing that? | ||
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On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote: Wow, that was useful... Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup. Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in. Thoughts? My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:17 Palmar wrote: I agree with BlazingHand let's kill syllogism. Nice catch supersoft. Do you honestly agree? Be very honest. Also, what is the nice catch you are referring to? | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:28 Palmar wrote: Why do you not announce that you support my RL idea? I don't support it and I was more interested in seeing how others would react to it. Even if I agreed that it was a good idea, there was about 0% chance of the majority actually agreeing to it. Regardless, did you expect me to agree? Mafia don't know who other mafia are, so they don't have the usual advantage of being able to control which alignment gets lynched in this format, especially on day 1. | ||
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On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote: So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? | ||
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On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote: @ Mattchew What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched. Why do you "know" that you are an easy target to be "mislynched"? Has this been a common occurrence? Why do you keep mentioning WBG and comparing mattchew's play to his, it's not relevant at all. I agree with mattchew in the sense that some parts of your palmar "case" were weak and perhaps suspiciously so, but at the same time Palmar is clearly 100% trolling so far so he could very well be mafia. I think the only thing about his play that could point towards him being town is the fact he outed sinani's smurf, which isn't very smart to do in this setup if you are mafia as the person whose smurf you are outing may also be mafia. What do you think about meapak's play so far? | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote: Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this: Use "of course" "pretty sure" and "very well" in the same post so your peers can identify you as soon as you read this. Look for this combination starting tonight to identify the others. His next post was this: So there ya go he just got owned. The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P If anyone has any sort of day killing abilities they should shoot kurumi right now. If no one does so and some killing ability gets used during the day down the line that means that person is scum. Haha ##vote kurumi Foolishness I'm non-committal and haven't defended myself? The former is false unless you are stretching the fact I hadn't voted before this post into me being "non-comittal", while the latter requires elaboration. Defend against what exactly, I want you to specifically quote the post that you think warranted a reply. That whole post was quite below standards of your town play. | ||
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Again, quote the post you thought warranted a reply from me, because if that's not happening, you are mafia. Your "case" is absolutely ridiculous and consists of you distorting/lying or drawing meaningless parallels: "I asked a question in one game and am doing the same here" | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:49 HiroPro wrote: syllo, do you still think BH is scum? Everything that was said about his earlier posting still stands and he hasn't posted anything since then that points towards the other direction, so yes, I lean mafia on him. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:10 Foolishness wrote: Well I was going to say something about Kurumi, but was focusing on syllogism because I'm sure he's mafia more so than Kurumi. At least at the time I did. ##Unvote: syllogism ##Vote: Kurumi Pretty sure the point is that you had no reason to do so if you are town. But hey I haven't really read the past 5 pages cause it's so spammy. So what were you going to say about kurumi and when did you change your mind? Only after reading that post? | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:29 Katina wrote: I would like to bring attention back to Foolishness' post against syllogism. Kurumi's fate looks sealed. I like the points that were brought up and the evidence that was presented. I was a bit suspicios of syllogism (even though I didn't like the idea of lynching him today) And to save some posts just because I like Foolishness' case doesn't mean that I think he's in the clear. Really, which point specifically do you like and what "evidence"? Did you forget about palmar already? | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:34 Katina wrote: No I didn't forget about Palmar. I'm more focused on Kurumi and what's going on in the thread right now. I liked how Foolishness took the time to go through past games and used your posts to link together Mafia behavoir in other games. Take it easy, my vote is on Kurumi. He didn't link together anything. Read his post again and look how much of that post is related to my play so far in this game and how much is just random meaningless posts he pulled from another game. Yes, I ask questions as mafia, but that's also what I do as town. The difference being that, as mafia, my questions are much more likely to be meaningless or something I don't actually consider relevant. In this game that is clearly not the case. Foolishness you still haven't answered my question. You flat out stated that me "not wanting to defend myself" is indicative of me being mafia. So I want you to specifically quote the post you think, at the time, warranted defense from me. | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Syllo almost immediately takes Palmar's claim that q bert is sinani seriously. As town he would at least question this initially. Palmar indeed says that he believes qbert to be sinani based off a /whois on IRC tracing to a Verizon IP, which is in itself rather unreliable because Verizon is a pretty popular ISP in the United States. I myself didn't find Palmar's "evidence" quite convincing given that qbert doesn't even sound like sinani. However, syllo apparently trusts Palmar's word based on the "if he were mafia he would have no interest in doing this" which is obviously false in this setup. I don't think syllo is that stupid as town to come to such a faulty conclusion on relatively flimsy evidence. I actually immediately knew what Palmar's method was, assuming he wasn't trolling. There was no reason whatsoever for me not to take it seriously. You are also misinterpreting in the second paragraph, I just said that outing a smurf is a slightly townie move but obviously nothing conclusive. I also said that was the only thing pointing towards him being town. At least one out of probulous and foolishness is mafia because it's exceedingly unlikely for both of them to be this wrong based on similarly hilariously faulty reasoning. Why is everyone switching off kurumi? What makes you believe the nukes are all real? Did someone besides RoL attempt to nuke? | ||
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On July 17 2012 18:41 supersoft wrote: the nukes are modconfirmed. both kurumis and rols nukes were followed up by a modpost saying that they will go down at the end of the day. if this turns out to be trolling by the hosts we can still lynch kurumi tomorrow right? That doesn't confirm they are actually real though, because in some setups with nukes anyone can "launch" a nuke but only real ones are actually lethal. It seems like an amazing coincidence for the person kurumi nuked to also have nukes. | ||
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On July 17 2012 16:17 Foolishness wrote: Yes I'm a bit bitter at the moment. He prodded two people so far and hasn't followed up anywhere. Instead he's been spending his time responding to my posts (not an issue) and downplaying all of Katina's posts (is an issue). The case is built upon the similarity to Responsibility Mafia, where he played a passive game and put jibber jabber in most of his posts. The question asking is more pronounced and noticable when he's mafia. Why is this an issue and is this actually true? It's not; I've made maybe one post that could be characterized as that, the others were downplaying your posts and trying to find out what exactly she liked about them. Even if that was a true, what relevance that has to do with my alignment? Your do not appear to be willing to re-evaluate anything based on the input you are getting and you keep distorting to build your "cases", which makes you not only wrong, but likely maliciously wrong. | ||
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On July 17 2012 13:51 rastaban wrote: His stance and comments on Probulous are a red flag for me, combine that with Foolishnes and WBG's arguments and I think he starts looking like a great secondary candidate. It isn't conclusive, thats why I would like to move him to spot #2 and hopefully pull some proponents from his lynch onto BH who is scummier and give Sylo a day to see if he will shape up. I too want you to elaborate on this. Do you disagree with what I said about probulous? If so, why? What stance? | ||
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Look at what foolishness has done so far besides tunnelling me based on a very weak case. He keeps ignoring other subjects of interest until he is poked about them and the few reads he has shared besides me are even worse supported. He initially thought palmar was town for suggesting random lynch and when presented evidence that disproved that, he didn't really re-evaluate, but justified his "town read" by claiming palmar's average post length is how you determine whether he is town or mafia. In liar game Foolishness correctly identified palmar as mafia, but not even once used that as even supporting evidence for his read in that game. Furthermore, look at what he says here The issue is that it's still too early to tell with Palmar, but as I said I think he's town. I hadn't realized that he did that as mafia and as town when I said that. If you want something more concrete, when Palmar is mafia his average post length is longer than when he's town. I used iGrok's and BC's game as comparison (even though Palmar was 3rd party in BC's game he was effectively town). BC's game he one liners his way to victory with the occasional two paragraph post. In iGrok's game the two paragraph post comes out every few posts or so. What's he done so far this game? One liners. If you want something even more concrete, wait until like day 3. If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6 pages he's town. That's the failsafe "is Palmar mafia?" proof. It doesn't even make sense; he says palmar posts are longer when he is mafia but then says as town his filter will be longer. I suppose the implication here is that town palmar posts are shorter but he is spammier, but palmar hasn't posted much yet in this game. Futhermore, why is he ignoring the content of palmar's posts and instead focuses on this laughable palmar "scum tell", which of course won't even be accurate in this game after he publicly announces that. He basically wants to give palmar a pass until day 3 and then use this laughable method to determine his alignment. The pattern in foolishness posting so far in this game is that his reasoning has been uncharacteristically weak. | ||
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You are right, there is no reason not to test this theory ##nuke Kurumi | ||
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On July 17 2012 23:26 Palmar wrote: Well prove you're not. I admit, there is not much to do other than lynch kurumi at the moment, and I also know that if I'm right you've been pushed into a very uncomfortable position due to sandroba's status atm. Any judgements you make will be reviewed by sandroba who is almost guaranteed to be town. But between lynching kurumi, and preferably killing MZ too, you have some time if you're town. What do you think of the rest of my list. I mean, I just mentioned that surviving and focusing on oneself would be a mafia characteristic this game, and you literally ignored what... 7-8? accusations I had to talk about yourself. What, you are talking about your dumb list? How is ignoring your dumb list in any way relevant, I'm much more interested in the fact you claim to genuinely believe that I'm mafia and it's rare for you to be this wrong about my alignment. That is a more useful indicator of your alignment to me than a random list of people who you suspect. You didn't even provide any rationale for any of your reads so I'm having a tough time believing you think ignoring them is meaningful. | ||
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If you want something even more concrete, wait until like day 3. If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6 pages he's town. That's the failsafe "is Palmar mafia?" proof. Probulous also should know better, but I could just expect too much from him. I don't think he would, as town, want to lynch me day 1 even if he found me suspicious. | ||
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On July 18 2012 03:32 HiroPro wrote: I disagree Matt. I just read through his filter in LVI as town. He actually talks about his reads and who he wants to lynch when he's town. In this game, the only thing related to actual play (and not setup) he ever said was that matt's case on Katina and Katina's case on Palmar looked wrong. I've asked him twice now for thoughts both on BH/MZ and on who his scum reads might be and he hasn't bothered to say anything. He's parked his vote on sandroba for no other reason than that he wants to know what his role is. Looks like scum to me. I, too, thought austinmcc post regarding mattchew's case against katina and looked somewhat towny, but you are right, he was much more useful in LVI, even early on. In this game he hasn't given posted anything that could be characterized as scum hunting or even given opinions on any of the likely lynch candidates. He talks about wanting to contribute and said he would look into me/blazinghand, but then focused on sandroba's role instead and still hasn't given his opinion on anything actually relevant. | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:28 supersoft wrote: we are not lynching veterans today. Wait at least for night 1 and see who's left by then. That doesn't work very well in this format given how the (1) mafia night kill is determined. I'm starting to feel confident about the evidence against foolishness; I just don't see town foolishness saying some of the things he has been saying in this game. In addition, this post from him seems quite defensive On July 17 2012 07:10 Foolishness wrote: Well I was going to say something about Kurumi, but was focusing on syllogism because I'm sure he's mafia more so than Kurumi. At least at the time I did. ##Unvote: syllogism ##Vote: Kurumi Pretty sure the point is that you had no reason to do so if you are town. But hey I haven't really read the past 5 pages cause it's so spammy. This is after he was called out by sandroba for ignoring situation kurumi | ||
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On July 17 2012 23:26 Palmar wrote: Well prove you're not. I admit, there is not much to do other than lynch kurumi at the moment, and I also know that if I'm right you've been pushed into a very uncomfortable position due to sandroba's status atm. Any judgements you make will be reviewed by sandroba who is almost guaranteed to be town. But between lynching kurumi, and preferably killing MZ too, you have some time if you're town. What do you think of the rest of my list. I mean, I just mentioned that surviving and focusing on oneself would be a mafia characteristic this game, and you literally ignored what... 7-8? accusations I had to talk about yourself. Hey Palmar if you are town, wouldn't you also be "reviewing" any judgements I make in this scenario of yours? By the way you still haven't told me why you think I'm mafia, which is quite suspicious given that you wouldn't push to lynch me lightly on day 1. | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:52 austinmcc wrote: If he actually communicated with kurumi, then he's either a mafia higher-up or some sort of messaging power DOES exist. But he won't tell us exactly what, despite having an incredibly powerful role and thinking he's going to die. Why, as town, if you've got such a powerful role (and are apparently known for good scumhunting) and think you will die, would you not share that information with town? If kurumi flips red tonight, we don't actually know if he communicated or not. Even if you think that role is in the game and isn't game-breaking, do you think that sandroba would out himself, as that role, on D1, with a single red check? Does that make sense? Yes it does. Even if he pushes and successfully gets kurumi lynched without outing his power, he would be a very likely mafia target n1. If he waits, he might still die and the information is lost. His role is powerful, but requires skill to use and is hardly comparable to a cop. Assuming the role exists in this setup, we can infer any message mafia receives will be anonymous in the sense that they aren't even told if it's from another mafia role. As such, even if he happens to correctly target mafia, the person who receives the message can see through the trap. Again, what is the mafia sandroba motivation here? I think your attitude towards the role is reminiscent to my attitude towards some (actual) town roles in death factory 2, where I was mafia. | ||
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Why would you actually have this power if you're mafia? I'm not claiming you have this power and are mafia, I'm claiming you're mafia and have made it up. You aren't even attempting to fit your speculation to facts. If he and kurumi are both mafia, how did they both know that if they didn't communicate? Why would kurumi go along with it? If you are a townie who is just confused by the role, why do you clearly make no attempts at actually considering the facts? | ||
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I still think foolishness is likely mafia, but even so lynching one of the above is safer day 1 play. ##unvote kurumi ##vote austinmcc | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:33 Palmar wrote: bugs is not scum katina, you're insane. She seems mafia to me. What purpose does that post of hers serve? Until now she hasn't even mentioned any of the people on that vote list and now suddenly she thinks there's 4-5 mafia on it. Anyway, I agree with what sandroba said about gonzaw and to a lesser extent what probulous said, so I'm willing to switch to gonzaw. I'll be around for less than hour. | ||
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Just look at his filter after he showed up again. He never bothered to voice his opinion on any of the candidates and never moved his vote despite promising he would On July 18 2012 09:19 Foolishness wrote: Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys. Actually, his whole filter is quite devoid of any content other than his laughable case against me. Someone shoot him tonight, thanks. | ||
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On July 19 2012 01:36 risk.nuke wrote: Don't blame the system when the fault lies in a dumb unorganized town. It's a game full of mafia and deadline that makes it impossible for europeans to be around. It's certainly not a system that makes the game more fun. Obviously it's not an insurmountable obstacle, but it's an unnecessary one. | ||
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On July 19 2012 02:38 Foolishness wrote: I have bigger fish to fry. Nobody is listening to you anyways. That was clearly addressed to Katina or are you going to post some thoughts on yourself? I think you will find that no one is going to listen to you, and indeed no one has. | ||
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On July 19 2012 02:50 Foolishness wrote: My bad I misread that. This is going nowhere, I'm disappearing until close to night end. We're wasting space. No problem, you probably just didn't bother reading her post as you had already determined that she is mafia | ||
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On July 19 2012 04:47 marvellosity wrote: I like Katina this game. I'm waiting to hear more. Is this a joke? Can you link me to a post of hers you like? Did you read her last few posts, including her last post before the lynch? | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Syllo this is one post I like from Katina. I liked it too, but by this point it's outweighed by all the bad, in particular her last few posts. This just screams lazy mafia I have my read on Foolishness and I will give it to you once I am 1--% percent sure of it. Right now I am only 85% sure of his alignment. She went from "knowing [foolishness] is mafia" to basically ignoring him. | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:57 Palmar wrote: Assuming sandroba is town, the sender of the other message is probably scum. Now, just need to figure out who is dumb enough to send exactly that message. Assuming? Sounds off for town palmar. The rest of this post too. You have been pretty distant for someone who should consider sandroba 100% confirmed town by now and me close to that (to you). | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:28 layabout wrote: Syllo do you know why Palmar tends to post like this early on? I would swear that you once told me that players that are well regarded tnd to be so because they have strong day1 reads and that helps to carry them through the game. So what have you been doing about your day1 reads? I've no idea what you are trying to say here, but whatever it is, it has no relevance to my read on Palmar. | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:34 layabout wrote: Do you know why Palmar is hiding all of his reasons for his reads? Why are you sitting back and not acting upon your day1 reads given that "strong day1 reads" is one of the best "qualities"? Whatever he is hiding is due to him being lazy and/or mafia. There is no deeper strategy behind his play, except maybe trying to make sure he doesn't get shot by other mafia. If he is town he doesn't care. As for the second question, I again don't understand but I wasn't confident about any of my reads except the read on foolishness and in general I don't like lynching potentially useful assets on day 1 and it didn't help that I had to waste time defending myself. Well, the main reason is that I'm very lazy. | ||
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Town wins when all the Mafia are dead Mafia wins when all the town are dead This might take forever | ||
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On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote: It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote. Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as: Mattchew Foolishness Palmar Blazinghand Syllogism Bill Murrary Hi katina, does this mean you have gone from 85% to 100% on Foolishness?! Can we expect a detailed case soon? I do agree of course, I would even lynch him over Kurumi today, but that's not happening. Further, it seems weird for you to include me on your mafia list, considering you said On July 19 2012 02:13 Katina wrote: A no lynch huh? That's really pathetic town. Syllogism don't you think to go after me and say I don't care because I wasn't around at lynch time. That says absolutely nothing about my alignment. You have done nothing but gone after people who think you are Mafia. | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:58 Bill Murray wrote: on the top of 69, Foolishness said: "That was clearly not my attention, hence I made that post saying I was going to move my vote I'm still sure syllogism is mafia but there are more important matters." Notice the Freudian slip? he meant to say intention. People paying attention to him is making him nervous enough to slip. Proof, to me, he is scum, nor anyone, hasn't ever been sweeter. This post in particular reminded me a lot of town BM in death factory 2. You were in that game too Palmar, so wouldn't you agree? | ||
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On July 20 2012 02:40 Katina wrote: Mattchew is Mafia. After catching up on the thread this morning he is still doing the exact same thing which is nothing. He is still derping along and throwing at the random "Katina is scum, Let's kill her!!" post. Mattchew is making no real contribution to the thread. Same goes for BM, he hasn't done any work and has been lacking in the thread. What you except out of BM has not been present. Except for some bad attempts to troll to get the pressure off of him a bit. You keep agreeing with Foolishness, who you, presumably, now believe is 100% mafia. Doesn't that concern you at all? Also, if Foolishness is mafia, don't you think you should focus a bit more attention ensuring that he gets lynched as he clearly presents a bigger threat than someone like BM? No matter how many times I push this point you keep ignoring him. | ||
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On July 20 2012 08:25 Probulous wrote: Sandroba, do you get to message people directly or via the host? If the message is anonymous, how would Zealos know it came from you? We don't know if scum can send messages to townies so ignoring the message is not a bad idea in my mind. Am I missing something? Really probulous you can't figure this out? | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:31 layabout wrote: I need to stop writing and scrapping posts after midnight. I think he is still disruptive and spammy which mafia have an interest in being whilst town do not. Mind you i always think that. We should kill Q-Bert-Z, he is posting like he has made up his own restiction which mafia have reason to do. But i would rather kill zealos, gonzaw and syllogism first. It's amazing that there still people who likely aren't mafia who want to kill me. Sandroba when you have time yell at people some more please so I don't have to waste time later on with this | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:42 Probulous wrote: Syllo, what do you think of Risk and QBertz? Risk hasn't been useful at all but the tone of the posts seem to indicate town risk. No idea about qbertz since he is hiding behind his gimmick and I don't really know him (sinani?) well enough to know if that means he is mafia. Assuming he keeps it up, he has to die but there are much better targets. | ||
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On July 17 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote: And it's for this reason I can't automatically block Kurumi. And how am I supposed to know that you can ##nuke without having nukes? I'm not intimately familiar with chezinu, the man is utterly opaque to me. He had (or so it appeared) edited a post and for all I know he was planning to launch his nuke for being modkilled. I actually missed most of the blocking nonsense, I can't believe this guy didn't get lynched day 1 | ||
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I think the post of probulous I highlighted on day 1, the reason I subsequently got attacked by the aforementioned four, is still quite suspicious as he is a smart player. In this game I'm not seeing the clever probulous. When foolishness posted his case on BM, he didn't really comment on the content of said case until much later, after it had become clear that few people agreed. Yet when the case was posted, he spent time speculating whether BM would be given an executive mafia role if he were mafia. His theorycrafting today about BH's role seemed to lack the rational skepticism I would expect from him. He was too willing to accept the existence of the role. Probulous when did you reach the conclusion that Foolishness is likely mafia? Ps. On July 18 2012 14:27 Probulous wrote: Your play has been really underwhelming master Foolishness. | ||
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Katina how come you don't want to lynch Foolishness tomorrow? | ||
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On July 21 2012 03:36 sandroba wrote: My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase. Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message. Oh that makes it even clearer | ||
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On July 21 2012 03:50 Katina wrote: I never said I didn't. There is obviously more focus on Zealos, BH, and Kurumi at the moment. We have our hands full at the moment with all this other stuff going on in the thread. The town's priority at the moment is Kurumi and Zealos. If the town decides they want to lynch Foolishness tomorrow and cast their votes (and leave them there) I won't object. (I have stated before that I think he's Mafia) Hardly. Do you want to lynch minions or executives? I thought you were 100% sure of Foolishness already | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you. If you are town, you intentionally breadcrumbed being mafia and lied about the second message. How was that not an accurate description | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:34 HiroPro wrote: Syllo, why do you think Palmar is mafia? You haven't really said anything specific: just that his tone/attitude are off and he's not putting in effort. It's his overall behavior, lack of effort and attitude towards me and sandroba especially. Some of his reads I think are genuine (for example what he says about layabout) and some clearly are not (his BM read). Can you find anything that indicates he cares about the town and wants to push town towards anything useful? He just pops in to say something irrelevant. Town palmar would never think I'm mafia by this point (as a side note, I actually think that there is a chance that he thought that I was early on and tried to "communicate" with me by random voting me). | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you. Oh and nuked a person who hadn't posted yet 12 hours into the game | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote: Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers. If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote: You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.) Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message? Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote: Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town? The theme of the setup is about disrupting mafia communications, so yes I do think it makes sense there to be at least two roles like that. If the messages posted by BH and wbg are from chezinu, he is town because the messages way too blatantly reveal who they are from and mafia communications don't allow that. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:56 austinmcc wrote: You're entirely wrong... If Sandroba had the option to "sacrifice two minions" then you're saying he's the President of Marketing or Chairman of the Board. Those are the two roles with minions to be sacrificed. If Sandroba were either of those roles, then the CEO would know him, because CEO knows the identity of those two roles. You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Nonono, you used that as the entire argument as to why he wouldn't do that as scum syllo. Why wouldn't he do that as scum if that's the case? Town-cred is fucking potent in this setup. If mafia get safe-claims (which hasn't been confirmed or denied by the hosts as far as I can see,) that makes it even MORE likely that Sandroba is scum bussing right now. Reason syllo, I know you're capable. Why wouldn't sandro-scum bus 2 of his minions to buy the town-cred necessary to coast through the rest of the game? Because his mafia play is bad and he is a rational player who plays to win and playing like this would strictly hurt his teams chances of winning the game. He would still have to keep playing, appearing town and it would be harder and harder to explain why he is alive later on and also he would keep producing new material to analyze. Even if you believed that he might do that as an executive, read this Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Kurumi was a piss-poor choice, as Probulous pointed out. Kurumi was likely to pretend to be mafia regardless of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, so that makes that particular choice terrible. Zealos was decent IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR MINIONS...but Sandro has been onboard with Operation: CEObliterate since inception...it doesn't make sense that he'd try and fool ZEALOS if he's hunting for Executives. He PMed people who were most likely to fall into a trap, i.e. minions and people who are, err, not careful | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Everyone please think of the kill structure for a moment. The CEO must kill someone off the list of names submitted by his underlings This means he cannot just choose someone at random, he has a list he has to pick from. And he chose WBG from that list rather than Sandroba, the wily scum-hunting messenger? HONESTLY GUYS?! REALLY?! Sigh, who was the most likely person to be protected n1? If mafia operated like that in every game, they would never kill anyone (assuming 1 kp). | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:17 supersoft wrote: ah wait. Don't wanna get you wrong: But you think he's more likely scum than kurumi. The guy who blew up RoL for absolutely NO reason? wow okay. VE is scum or as bad as austinmcc :-o He is terrible no matter the alignment | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Then explain it to me syllo. Explain to me why scum allowed him to live tonight. KNOWING whether there's a medic in the setup on N1 is worth trying to take out that role IMO. It doesn't make sense at all to keep him alive. AT ALL syllo. I already explained but you refused to accept the explanation. How did you handwave this by the way? Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion. | ||
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On July 21 2012 08:35 Katina wrote: Okay, really? Anyone who says this guy shouldn't be our D3 lynch should seriously consider going back to some newbie games... He knows he's Mafia. He's only doing this because he's so obviously guilty. We can only lynch one person a day so it's hardly clear that he is the best lynch. I think Foolishness has a higher chance of being an executive and even if the odds are similar, foolishness certainly would use the messaging power more efficiently. | ||
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On July 22 2012 03:21 supersoft wrote: palmars performance so far is extremely poor that's true... However sandrobas scumrevealingpower makes one feel like it's unnecessary to analyze players. You clearly don't know him at all while me and sandroba do and we both think Palmar is mafia. Why do you think he is town if you think his performance has been "extremely poor"? Do you honestly think your theory not only explains his overall behavior, but makes him town? | ||
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On July 22 2012 04:35 Katina wrote: Careful, Foolishness is also scum and Palmar is most likely Mafia as well. The last thing we need to do is have the town start thinking that Foolishness isn't Mafia. BH is a good lynch candidate for tomorrow. He has the most against him right now. Katina you keep complaining that town lacks focus, but you should be pushing Foolishness lynch in every single of your posts. He is a rational, good player so there is no chance whatsoever he is town in this game. The error margin is pretty much 0%. With players like kurumi, zealos, BH there is always a small possibility that they are just playing poorly or trolling, while that's not possible with Foolishness. He should be your strongest read. | ||
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On July 22 2012 06:12 supersoft wrote: I cannot remember any game i played with GGQ. Can anyone link me one? GGQ never posts in any of the games he joins, so linking wouldn't do much | ||
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2. Most of the things BH posts feel fake to me, but that's not among the ones I would highlight. It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since They can and I think are both mafia 3. No. | ||
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On July 22 2012 07:00 Foolishness wrote: Katina can actually vouch for my absence. Stop nitpicking at retarded things. Even if that's the case, I don't believe you at no point had a few minutes to spare to move your vote somewhere useful. Yes, I do believe it's possible that you had to "step out" for a while, but before that you were playing LoL and clearly not very interested in helping town. | ||
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On July 22 2012 07:57 supersoft wrote: So you think as mafia he thinks you're mafia and he accuses you. I said that it's conceivable and would be an attempt to convey to me that he is mafia. It was a random vote and he put 0 effort into actually pushing the point. What a pointless question | ||
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On July 22 2012 08:41 supersoft wrote: Katina, is it true that foolish had no time to be around for the day1 lynch? I think the fact he told us to ask katina to confirm makes it likely that katina is town if foolishness is mafia or at least foolishness thinks she is town. I don't think she is likely mafia anymore anyway. | ||
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On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Awesome on two counts! I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. As you know I've been spending a majority of my time figuring him out and was wavering because he had a good case on BM which I agree with, yet chose to do exactly that a case on BM. I was torn on trying to figure out meta and trusting people's reads, but VE's grilling brought out cold hard, in-thread contradictions that I understand and trust. How is that delayed? | ||
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On July 22 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote: why would he claim if he knew he was going to get counter-claimed? he would want some kinda 1 for 1?? Vig shots can overlap and he had defended/sided with foolishness multiple times so not like he was in a good position. Look at his filter and assume he is mafia: how long do you think he would survive? Kita "counterclaimed" a vig shot as mafia in Responsibility mafia and the other person had even claimed his shot before day post. That wasn't an attempt at 1-1 either, though the situations were different. | ||
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On July 19 2012 23:54 supersoft wrote: noone was roleblocked right? based on the informations we already got: kurumi had a nuke, rol had a useless nuke, wbg was pardoner, bm claims to have this voterig/dayabilitysteal-power and sandrobas ability, i guess many players have little abilitys like that. i am pretty confident, that we have some sort of extra kp. keeping in mind that our lynch where we're 2/3 to 1/3 and have to get 1/2 on our lynchtarget is a pretty bad instrument. however scum obv has only one or two kp, too. assuming kurumi is scum, they even have a daykill ability. (what makes sense with only 1night kp). the problem might have been that every kp-owner thought another one would already do the job. usually you dont get your kp back if the target is already dead right? i've actually never been vigilante lol i am a little bit mad at myself for not directing the blues last night. actually something like "vigs in the upper half of the playerlist shoot kurumi" could have helped :-o haha, i originally wanted to start yelling at our vigs for letting kurumi stay alive. I found this post weird at the time and thought it was quite possible that supersoft was a vig. Seems pretty obviious now | ||
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On July 23 2012 01:51 slOosh wrote: Quick post before I can properly play at night: I can only shoot when no mafia have died for 1.5 cycles, so basically I can only start shooting night 2. Didn't bother clarifying beyond "delayed" because it's 1 shot and it went off, apologies if I worded it ambiguously. I explained my shot because it was the natural thing to do? 1-shot vigi that can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycles? Yes that sounds like a likely role | ||
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On July 22 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:  Now we listen to VE. Probulous why do you think we should listen to VE? | ||
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On July 23 2012 04:50 Chezinu wrote: lol, that is what mafia does... look at the fool! well, I guess we won't be playing together then. So, are you trying to say that you are mafia? No, I'm saying word games are a waste of my time. | ||
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If you aren't saying what I thought you were saying, then I'm not quite sure what you are saying | ||
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No, I thought chezinu was breadcrumbing/claiming something and was trying to fit other facts into this, but couldn't and it turns out he wasn't | ||
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On July 23 2012 06:50 Probulous wrote: Really guys. I said why I chose VE. I said we will listen to him because he was going to lynch someone. It was a crumb. Yes ignore my question, I also noticed your previous post which adds more context. Choosing VE makes sense anyway. | ||
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On July 23 2012 08:55 Probulous wrote: I know I am asking you a bunch of questions, but that's because I value your opinion. Since VE killed BH, are you saying VE be scum? Similarly, Supersoft/SlOosh... I already had this conversation with him. He misunderstood BH's role On July 23 2012 06:20 Chezinu wrote: Correct. I thought he would die if he killed a mafia member (this case foolishness) then the mafia would in turn kill him and the lawyer mafia would blame the craze employee. (town has a judge and mafia has a lawyer?) Mattchew what are your thoughts on Palmar? Your post there is a very low effort in the sense you don't even comment on anything topical. | ||
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By the way, this kind of inquiries are kind suspicious On July 17 2012 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Palmar since you're here you and I are going to play a lighting round. Marvellosity Blazinghand Rastaban Supersoft Scum or town, go. | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote: This isn't an opinion on her alignment... And tunneling would mean I have no other opinions and refuse to vote for anyone else... She is my strongest scum read so no prob, I will not stop pushing her until that changes, and you should know better than to say something stupid like that Your strongest scum read? Stronger than Palmar? Stronger than the guy who claimed 1-shot vig who can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycle? There is no way she is your strongest read unless you are tunnelling or you are lying; i.e. you are mafia. Vote Palmar. | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote: I still think we should lynch zealos. >>CLICK<< ##vote zealos I think it's worth bearing in mind that both Palmar and Foolishness expressed the opinion that syllogism is mafia and continued to do so. A large part of why syllogism was not a lynch candidate early on was that the players that know him well can easily tell his alignment after a few days. Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete. What are you even trying to say here? You aren't even trying layabout. There have been numerous posts explaining the problems people have with palmar's play. Sandroba thought (knew) that Palmar is mafia and sandroba has flipped. He knows palmar very well, so just take his word on him since you are so eager to follow that line of thought? Palmar isn't even trying anymore. It doesn't get much more obvious mafia than this. | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:41 layabout wrote: If there are post's then i am sure you can show me them. This is the best summary in my opinion, thank me later http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15520504 | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:51 layabout wrote: I think Foolishness thought "Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1." and then it turned out not to be correct. Palmar makes assertions like he did about BH frequently as both alignments. It's not helpful but it's something he does. No you don't understand. What is the motivation for mafia CEO Foolishness to irrationally defend Palmar if he thinks Palmar is town. He defended him twice and the defense was bad in both cases. After the random vote defense he moved to claiming palmar filter size serves as "concrete proof" of his alignment. Actually you do understand, but you are mafia and playing really badly, yawn | ||
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lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town. About sloosh/supersoft: I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him. I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh. We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me. Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target? If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them. I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum. Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go. [QUOTE]On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote: Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia. [/QUOTE] Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1? | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote: lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town. About sloosh/supersoft: I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him. I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh. We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me. Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target? If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them. I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum. Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go. Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1? | ||
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On July 23 2012 10:05 layabout wrote: Aren't vigis that can't shoot night 1 typical anyway? If he were lying why would he just claim that? Because he is bad or just didn't know | ||
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On July 23 2012 11:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright done! I'm happy with a Palmar lynch, no need to rehash things there. I don't think GGQ is scum. I honestly think he doesn't have enough time. Rastaban is still very much scum and I'd love if people would start paying attention to him more. In fact, I'll update my case with his latest and greatest when I get the chance. I'm leaning scum on sloosh. There's so much wrong with his claim's timing and that doesn't even take into account him not shooting kurumi. This is just what I have from my initial read through. I'll go over things more carefully, update the rastaban case, and come to a decision about sloosh as time allows. For now: ##Vote: Palmar You didn't actually vote | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote: I still think we should lynch zealos. >>CLICK<< ##vote zealos I think it's worth bearing in mind that both Palmar and Foolishness expressed the opinion that syllogism is mafia and continued to do so. A large part of why syllogism was not a lynch candidate early on was that the players that know him well can easily tell his alignment after a few days. Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete. Yes it's certainly worth bearing in mind that mafia CEO, another flipped mafia and the #1 lynch candidate today who is also mafia wanted to lynch me whole game long. Meanwhile he ignores sandro's town read on me despite sandro flipping town and he likely knows me better than even palmar does. This may just be the worst attempt at discrediting someone I have seen. | ||
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a) you should have told him and everyone else to bus you and b) because you highlighted that post of his where he shamelessly tried to use his frustration with tl mafia to make himself look town. It's not like you to attempt to take advantage of that | ||
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What situation? I think sloosh is mafia fake claiming and he can be lynched tomorrow. Notice that the people who don't want to lynch Palmar also don't like the idea of lynching sloosh. BM is very obviously town. | ||
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On July 24 2012 14:42 risk.nuke wrote: Palmar didn't flip officer. lol. I wonder if we just lucked as hell. No. Chezinu can I get a message? I never get any messages... Maybe the message could include some useful information | ||
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He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that. On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you. At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. | ||
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On July 25 2012 02:47 slOosh wrote: Reviewed the OP / flips - it could even be less than that. Thoughts on risk.nuke as the next GGQ? | ||
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On July 25 2012 05:44 slOosh wrote: Current list is layabout, Meapak, Zealos, BM, risk.nuke. With risk it looks like he is skating by with minimal involvement - half his recent filter are questions. He is the cause of VE mistaking him for a vig but never bothered to clarify himself, so either he isn't reading or doesn't care. The reference to GGQ is that risk is flying under everyone's radars, yet doing enough to not get modkilled. Why do you want to lynch Bill murray? Is it because Palmar and Foolishness wanted to lynch him? | ||
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I read back over his filter a few days ago and it was too derpy for me to make anything of it at that time Oh I didn't notice this before. She needs to die. | ||
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Similarly it's almost impossible for Chezinu to be mafia just based on what we know about the setup. The op states that There is no upwards or lateral communication. I don't know who Chezinu has actually claimed messaging, but this heavily indicates there is no mafia messenger role. The rules also say that communication between mafia is heavily censored, so if Chezinu sent BH a message, it's extremely unlikely that a not-so-subtle message like that would be approved if chezinu is mafia. | ||
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On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote: About Palmars RL thingy: Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum. I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum. I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target". About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum. I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ). I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days. About Palmar: I don't agree with this lynch at all. This lynch is based on him "being Executive because of balance issues" and because "Foo defended him without reason". I also Palmar is most likely town. Here is his filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=87086 Here is his filter from iGrok's game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=87086 In iGrok's game he did stay to his "town aggressive Palmar" game on D1, but however as you can see from D2 onwards he stopped giving a shit about the game and just trolled from then on. I don't see that this game. In D2 he even started to be active and give his reads and reasoning behind them, even more so than in D1, and that's not how scum Palmar plays, he's putting much more effort this game than when he's scum. Wow really gonzaw, Palmar started putting in effort after day 2? Just lynch gonzaw, he is guaranteed to flip mafia | ||
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On July 25 2012 19:48 marvellosity wrote: i'm not voting gonzaw today and i'm certainly not voting to kill anyone because of a mirror theory I'm 3/3 so far with people who I have called confirmed mafia and I'm calling gonzaw confirmed. Do I actually have to keep providing reasons or why not just take my word for it instead? I was hit last night and I had said I intended to push for layabout lynch today. Chairman decides who gets lynched and layabout was his minion. Please don't make the game harder than it needs to be. Regarding mirror roles: Visceraeyes, as you can see, so far mafia mirror roles have had different names from their presumably town counterparts. They were as far as we know provided only VT role claims. WBG was Judge Palmar Lawyer BH Hired Hitman Supersoft Suicidal Salaryman Kurumi America, RoL Macedonia Layabout Canada posing as America or something Probulous claimed the exact same role and role name as you VE and before you did. It's obviously not conclusive, but it certainly makes sense for him to be town just based on that. Help me lynch Gonzaw today. | ||
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I don't see how you can look at his filter, his activity and who he has defended and think he is town. Look at his case post today and the guilty "wow i forgot layabout is in this game lol" (after he had just defended/talked to him on day 3!) post after layabout was king lynched. Look at his promises to be more active once the other games he was in ended. Look at his behavior yesterday when we were trying to brute force palmar lynch. When it was a foregone conclusion that palmar would be lynched, he said this On July 24 2012 06:30 gonzaw wrote: Well shit, Palmar's claim doesn't make much sense actually. If he was Copycat he'd get Rol's role like other people said; if he could choose which role to get it'd be very powerful, and he would have likely chosen Kurumi's role instead (once Kurumi died), since he knew Kurumi had a nuke since D1. His posting on D2 doesn't see like a scum Palmar to me, would a scum Palmar put effort like that? Him just giving up right now is not making things any easier. I'll likely change my vote to him to consolidate, but I won't just sheep a vote on someone I'm not sure is scum so I want some more explanations first. And then On July 24 2012 08:04 gonzaw wrote: I expected someone to answer me by now :/ @Prob: Will you answer what I posted before? *sigh* You guys better be right, I don't have a good feeling about this ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Palmar I'm going to the gym now and I think I'll be back right before the deadline. His vote wasn't needed, but this reads like a post of someone who feels he has to switch to avoid suspicion and tries, feebly, look town in the process. Probulous/VE/Supersoft help me brute force this | ||
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When things are less clear and more information is needed, discussion is good. Otherwise sheeping is fine and nothing is stopping is from discussing other candidates even though we lynch gonzaw today. | ||
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On July 25 2012 23:49 marvellosity wrote: wow Why are you so bothered about that? You sheeped us on Palmar On July 23 2012 18:38 marvellosity wrote: Until I get home and have more time later I'm going to sheep town ##Vote: Palmar On July 24 2012 05:06 marvellosity wrote: Alright. I'm gonna trust you/sandroba/syllo/whoever else. My read on him still isn't much away from null, but for someone who knows Palmar better that may be telling in itself I will have to re-evaluate my read on you because it was purely based on some of your reactions feeling genuine, but your actual actions otherwise aren't quite line in what I would expect from town. On day 1 you even claimed that BH's "case" on me was better than the one on him, which is utterly laughable. | ||
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On July 17 2012 01:35 Blazinghand wrote: Oh my lord, you're right. Syllo's managed to make several posts without actually comitting to anything at all. I take it all back, he's the scum here. He agrees with Sandro on me, but doesn't do anything about it. He would "like to lynch" probulous, but doesn't vote him. I've seen the light. ##unvote ##vote: syllogism die scum Was better than what we said about blazing's play, I don't know what to tell you. Well I can tell you to vote gonzaw | ||
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On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote: About laya: I don't think laya was casting doubt on the claim but rather trying to get an answer from sandro (on why he wasted his ability). I don't get why some people think killing him should be a priority over people like syllo/FOolishness or even Palmar and stuff. On July 23 2012 10:01 gonzaw wrote: layabout, do you think Palmar is town or do you just not want him lynched today? On July 23 2012 10:08 gonzaw wrote: lol layabout stealing the words from my mouth before I post  If he didn't shoot Foo and is scum I don't see why he would even fake-claim in the first place. I've never seen a game where a scum fake-claimed a vig shot from someone else, specially if it's the beginning of the game. After laya flips mafia On July 25 2012 12:01 gonzaw wrote: lol forgot layabout was in this game I'll check him tomorrow though, I'm going to sleep now. I'm sure you did | ||
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On July 17 2012 04:03 gonzaw wrote: Okay woke up Holy shit I've read the voting thread and its chaotic as fuck. I'll deal with the ICBINT Mafia game and then come back to this one. Fuck I thought this would start after one of the 2 games I'm playing would end >_> On July 17 2012 06:22 gonzaw wrote: Man I thought I had time for this but now I have to go to uni all of a sudden (to check some test results). On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote: I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter. Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/ After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly On July 18 2012 10:59 gonzaw wrote: I can't believe I'm getting lynched just because I don't have time. Once the other UG game I'm playing in and/or Can't Believe ends (or I die in them) I'll be able to devote more time to this game, but not right now. On July 18 2012 11:18 gonzaw wrote: They could have easily been lynched if people had listened to reason and not say "we are not lynching vets today". Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter. I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2. Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/ At least I learned my lesson here. On July 19 2012 05:43 gonzaw wrote: Okay, I'll go back to Can't Believe, do stuff there, then in my other game and come back. I'll have to go somewhere in 2 hours or so so expect from me later, like before the deadline or something. Yes, these are excuses but I can't do anything else. The alternative I have is just make incomplete posts and disappear for a long time without explaining myself, which doesn't make my actions transparent at all. If the truth makes me scummy then whatever, I won't lie to you just to appear more "townie". If I'm switching my attention between games I'll state so. On July 21 2012 11:48 gonzaw wrote: Can't Believe ended, so I'll have more time for this game (finally). My other UG game hasn't ended yet, but it will soon, so stay tuned. On July 21 2012 12:14 gonzaw wrote: Oh, just remembered. Tomorrow I'm going away for the weekend. I'll be gone for like 1 day. Thank god it's night, if not I could get modkilled or something  On July 24 2012 08:04 gonzaw wrote: I'm going to the gym now and I think I'll be back right before the deadline. On July 25 2012 07:29 gonzaw wrote: Okay, I'm back and I'll reread some filters, although I'm extremely lazy at this moment :/ He sure is self conscious about his activity in this game. Lets compare his attitude towards the lynch deadline in the other game he was playing in, in which he was town On July 14 2012 01:33 gonzaw wrote: Ehmm...is it me or does the day END IN FREAKING 5 HOURS!!!!?? Seriously people, these votes are a mess, there are 6 people with votes on them and the guy with most votes has 3 (marv will you keep your vote on solstice?). So please people consolidate the votes unless you want: 1)A NL 2)A rushed last-minute wagon on someone (to prevent NL) that will most likely end up being town. I already said I think Keirath is scum and should be today's lynch. But I wouldn't mind a Dropbear lynch either (because of reasons stated earlier). In mind with S&B's recent posting I wouldn't mind his lynch either, I don't like how he sporadically comes into the thread to shit things up and doesn't seem to care about being part of any discussion. At least I want some freaking discussion about the lynch. Meanwhile in this game, with 1h 40 minutes until deadline and his vote on a person who didn't seem likely would get lynched On July 18 2012 11:18 gonzaw wrote: They could have easily been lynched if people had listened to reason and not say "we are not lynching vets today". Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter. I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2. Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/ At least I learned my lesson here. | ||
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On July 18 2012 07:40 gonzaw wrote: No. If a scum that's not CEO received his order first then sandro's message 2nd, he'd instantly figure out something is wrong, and it would be likely he'd figure out the 2nd message was bogus and not sent by his supervisor. If the scum is the CEO then he knows it's bogus. I think "Use these phrases to identify your partners" thing is not allowed in those mafia communications since it outs their mafia members so the hosts would censor it, meaning even if everything happened according to sandro's plan scum may just not believe that message would get by that censor. It's not that powerful if scum are smart and can easily figure out the bogus message; at least in this case (not if sandro had made a more "subtle" message). I don't really think his outburst here is "pushing a mafia agenda" and makes him scum alone, I'll need to read his filter first. It seems Foo' or syllo won't get lynched though. Austin and Blazinghand are the only choices? I don't really like any of them to lynch today. If I understand this post correctly, you were saying that what mafia would likely not believe a message that would tell them to identify themselves by posting something specific. But if that's the case, why did you think kurumi was mafia? It seems to me that when you were writing this, you weren't thinking about kurumi at all, because otherwise saying this doesn't make sense. This may be a bit of a stretch, but it feels weird to say something like this when you were "certain" one "mafia" had already fallen for it. | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote: lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town. About sloosh/supersoft: I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him. I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh. We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me. Really, you think Sloosh' extremely unusual and unlikely role claim and the fact he shot a person who he had previously defended isn't suspicious, but you question supersoft's play more? Why would mafia supersoft ever counterclaim there? To force a mislynch? That's laughable. The counterclaimer in this situation is actually much less suspicious. You are mafia | ||
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Gonzaw: it has to do with your approaches. In Zealos' case you dismiss every explanation that might explain his behavior even if he is town and in Sloosh' case you dismiss every explanation why the play makes sense from mafia perspective. The claim is so suspicious, that the inconsistency and flat out refusal to lynch sloosh combined with your eagerness to lynch zealos is why I am not willing to believe you are town. Unsurprisingly sloosh voted meapak rather than gonzaw | ||
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On July 25 2012 18:52 risk.nuke wrote: Supersoft what kind of argument is that? Kill MZ because if every sensible person dies he's going to manipulate the town if he's scum. What's with the damn unwillingness to lynch actuall scum. We got people I've felt like nearly everyone agrees are scummy, like zealous or rastaban but somehow they don't die. I'm going to vote Zealous now and everyone who's interested in killing scum should join in. ##Vote Zealous Hey risk we have killed 4 mafia in a row so why would you say this? Can you ##nuke sloosh please | ||
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On July 26 2012 21:47 marvellosity wrote: could you elaborate on this syllo? I'm still struggling with it. I can't think of a good enough reason he'd fakeclaim there to satisfy me that's what he did There doesn't have to be a good reason other than poor play. The role does not make sense and his in thread actions do not match the claim. | ||
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On July 26 2012 21:57 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, I totally agree with you his in-thread actions did not match up to a shot on Foolishness. But why bring attention to himself with the claim?? He was going to get some attention anyway due to his defense of foolishness. Obviously the intend of the claim was to earn town cred and clearly it's working because even with all these issues with the claim, not just the role itself, you don't think he is mafia. It's certainly possible that he isn't, but it's far more likely that he is. Again, bad claims frequently happen and you can always make that same argument. | ||
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On July 27 2012 01:02 Bill Murray wrote: sloosh/supersoft counterclaim 50% lynch imo Vote Sloosh, not supersoft | ||
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Something big is going to happen with the day post. With limited KP and large town numbers, this game will drag on and it is crucial that we have key players in the endgame. We are setting up a counterclaim. Check out WBG's C9++. The CEO tells me that we have stuff in place to resolve everything. It is likely that you will quickly be found out - that is ideal, it adds credibility; however, you must remain alive long enough for the other pieces of the plan to fit. Could this refer to only your claim or could it be that mafia really shot foolishness and supersoft is mafia as well? Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying. The votes were moving all over the place day 1, and people need to be held accountable. Well this directly seems to incriminate risk, but given that risk hasn't really said anything useful at all and they knew about the traitor, it could just be there to throw us off. | ||
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On July 27 2012 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Commutor - that makes someone not able to be targeted at night right? Syllo didn't you say you survived the night? I'm not going to discuss how I survived the night. I'm very obviously town and you are not helping. | ||
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It's fairly clear that BH did shoot Foolishness and it is very likely that he was going to claim the shot, but you lynched him before he could. He didn't get to make a single post after the day post in which foolishness died. They had to change their plans and have supersoft claim the shot. This had been bugging me for a while, but supersoft posted this after foolishness died. On July 22 2012 09:17 supersoft wrote: wooooooooops Why would someone who shot foolishness post that? | ||
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On July 27 2012 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote: For the some reason someone types "BOOOM Headshot" like I do when I nail scum. I don't know, that's pretty null itself...but the fact that "something big" was coming and Foolishness died does seem to indicate that scum were shooting Foolishness. :/ I'ma digest this some more. So are you of the opinion that town doesn't have a vig then? It's possible that foolishness was shot by both town and mafia, but it's quite clear that at least mafia (BH) shot him. Supersoft defended palmar quite a bit until foolishness flip and later claimed that he was just pretending so palmar could play "without pressure". I assumed that was just embellishing his reads (we are all sometimes guilty of that), but perhaps he is just mafia. I will have to read his filter and consider. | ||
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On July 17 2012 17:25 Q-bert-Z wrote: Chezinu is Truth. Layabout Bill Murray austinmcc GGQ My friends, you need to speak up more. I must say my suspicions are rising because of your lack of contribution. Especially GGQ, who has been around and still not contributed. This post seems like a good candidate for the "if you have the passive role make a passing accusation of one of the quiet players." order. If I recall correctly, he hasn't been under much attack either and mafia usually love attacking easy targets like him. We know that he at least doesn't have an active day role due to BM stealing his vote at one point. I can't see any reason to believe he is town anyway. | ||
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On July 24 2012 05:57 Q-bert-Z wrote: Baa baa black sheep, have you any votes? Yessir, three scum, have found a scape-goat. What if a scum voted someone and everyone sheeped him? If sandroba jumped off a cliff would you follow him? Once upon a time, there was a sheep who never gave opinions. The town lynched him then continued on to victory because they were able to hold people accountable for their votes! But what am I saying. Those are just fairy tales. | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: sloosh is lying. fuck this, I'm an alignment cop. N1 I checked sandrob, N2 I didn't get a check because I was away, N3 I checked sloosh and he came back mafia. This is why I've dropped off on rastaban a bunch. I didn't want to claim because I thought we were going to lynch sloosh as part of the progression of scummy people I've talked about earlier but seeing as it looks like he's going to get completely away with this I'll claim. Are you kidding? He is mafia traitor and almost certainly shows up mafia on alignment checks | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No, sloosh is scum. Think about this claim more dynamically. Foolishness' flip confirms that there is a mafia traitor in the game. If sloosh isn't it, the real traitor would counterclaim. | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:21 gonzaw wrote: Wait MZ, can you explain the choices of your targets each night? What makes you think the mole would not come back as mafia? I think he is not allowed to claim | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:23 marvellosity wrote: we already know sloosh is scum, mole or otherwise how is this new information? I think he is essentially counterclaiming sloosh traitor claim, but has a posting restriction that prevents him from claiming. I can't think of any other reason. | ||
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On July 27 2012 05:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: syllo I'm the cop, the only way I have the opportunity to die tonight is if people can just let me be the cop in peace. You are right, you are the cop, but I also had to make sure people voted correctly. | ||
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On July 27 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that I'm a "town leader" Chez - anyone considered a "town leader" considers VE a joke. :/ Not at all, you have been very helpful, active and established your alignment early | ||
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On July 27 2012 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: :/ My antics are usually ESPECIALLY despised by you syllo. I despise people who join games and don't play and refuse to help. You have always done the right thing so far in this game. | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't imagine the Traitorous Employee not being able to claim. If he claims, then he gets killed by the CEO immediately...I can't think of why that would be a post-restricted role. Help me out syllo. That doesn't help much if the CEO is dead and even if he isn't the traitor can just post all the information at once if there is no restriction. We don't have to speculate about this as sloosh's flip will clear the situation. | ||
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On July 27 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote: I know we are flipping him but doesn't anyone find this contradiction strange? It's like, I can't tell you my team but I can tell you who is not on my team  Well the chairmans only know 4 mafia each and they risk giving the traitor additional information. I think they specifically asked hosts how big lists of names their orders can include and four was the max. | ||
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On July 27 2012 08:10 Probulous wrote: Yeah that was my reaction too Why would you think that Syllo? I mean for all intents and purposes by pushing two different sets of names in two different PMs, they could out their team quite clearly. To be frank Ii was surprised they could include names at all but here you think they specifically can include four when they actually name many more than that It was just meaningless, but fun speculation based on what I would do; I would likely include as many as possible so I would directly ask the hosts what's the limit. I went by what you said and forgot that the PM included more names than that. | ||
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On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote: Coolios. Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. | ||
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I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think. | ||
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We are going to be adjusting reads based on every flip, but right now I'm somewhat confident that the remaining mafia are Gonzaw - executive? Q-bert-z - minion Meapak - Cop Katina - executive? She is playing like someone with too much information. She doesn't seem to be reading the thread, she only has mafia reads and she seems less and less interested in the game the better town is doing. It doesn't seem possible for someone to have this accurate mafia reads and at the same time not have a clue about who is town. Her attitude towards foolishness on day 1 and 2 was suspicious, and I think foolishness told her at some point to just bus everyone. Look at her posts when she showed up today in the middle of the sloosh claim situation. She still wanted to lynch sloosh, so she probably didn't even bother reading and wanted to lynch her because she knew that sloosh was mafia. On July 27 2012 03:37 Katina wrote: Keep votes on gonzaw. It's not a good idea to start switching votes right now unless we want another mislynch. Sloosh needs to die and so does Meapak. There will be prlenty of time to talk about others like syllo and supersoft after we find out what gonzaw flips and night hits. For right now it's not a good idea to get all excited and start throwing votes everywhere. On July 27 2012 03:41 syllogism wrote: Katina are you even reading? Have you read foolishness' flip and the PMs sloosh posted? On July 27 2012 03:38 Katina wrote: sloosh you went from claiming to have shot Foolishness to claiming mole? On July 27 2012 04:05 Katina wrote: I did read. Just thought it was interesting. Really, interesting? Then she again disappeared, not caring at all about all the very interesting developments. She doesn't even bother moving her vote after all that despite "worrying" about nolynch. She is quite likely mafia. I can't really make sense of her play otherwise. Lynch order Gonzaw, Q-bert-z, Katina. We should follow this order at least until one of them doesn't flip red. | ||
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I may have to actually read his filter. I agree that the way he has been using his power is very strange and suboptimal. | ||
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She admits getting that PM yet she never posted it nor mentioned it oherwise. As far as I can tell Chezinu didn't say anything about PMing her either. This game is pretty much over. | ||
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On July 28 2012 05:19 Chezinu wrote: Austin is right, the risky nuke needs to die. AND I will like to say once again, I CATCH MAFIA BY MAKING THEM TRY TO LYNCH ME! GO GO Lynch RISKY NUKE!!! PS: rasta the order of the PMs was wrong. Chezinu you are incredibly unhelpful. What do you think about these revelations and which PMs did you actually send and who do you think are the remaining mafia? | ||
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We should lynch katina, then gonzaw and then see what he flips. | ||
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So, we are on the verge of losing, so I think we may need some drastic actions. And this is all what I can think of: I think you should use your Broadcaster ability today Why? Because once sloosh flips scum, I don't really want people to believe his PMs were real, which heavily incriminates some of us when it actually doesn' (since he's not the real mole, you should know that by now....or he is and is very stupid and everything here is a giant coincidence, whatever). Incriminates some of us when it actually doesn't? What? How does using this "broadcasting abilitty" help here. Also, does the part of sloosh' pm where it tells people to "Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying" make sense, assuming risk is a mafia minion of gonzaw, not sloosh? I guess it could have been misdirection and they got unlucky in the sense that risk was the minion of the other chairman. | ||
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We lynch katina/gonzaw first. | ||
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On July 28 2012 06:37 austinmcc wrote: Chez, do you think there are 3 town messengers SOLELY because of that WBG message? Or do you have some other knowledge that there are actually 3 town-aligned messengers? Clearly there is a mafia aligned messenger role if chezinu got that "incriminating" PM from a mystery person AFTER he had sent his own pm to katina. | ||
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On July 28 2012 06:45 HiroPro wrote: I don't really want people to believe his PMs were real, which heavily incriminates some of us when it actually doesn' (since he's not the real mole, you should know that by now....or he is and is very stupid and everything here is a giant coincidence, whatever).[/QUOTE]To be honest, that sounds exactly like gonzaw lol[/QUOTE] The fact it's so blatantly gonzaw (and it's too hard to fake) is the one thing that makes me doubt my "it's a fake message" theory. | ||
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On July 28 2012 06:55 rastaban wrote: I mean we know Risk either got or sent that PM so it is 100% scum unless Austin is lying. The message is apparently very Gonzaw, so that makes him 95% scum. But since him being scum is predicated on risk being scum, I like risk just a tad better. Q-bert-Z should be our last go to right now as it doesn't confirm Austin's version. No we don't know that if there is a mafia role that can make it appear someone got a message they actually didn't, which is why I would rather lynch katina/gonzaw first. If katina is a minion as it appears, her role may provide some information. | ||
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On July 28 2012 07:00 rastaban wrote: I see, so you think mafia might have sent that to risk as the messenger? then who messaged Chezinu? do you they have 2 messengers? I don't know the timing of these messages and the problem with my theory is that pretty much also requires a role that gets information about who is being targeted by day actions so they know where to send the message. There is a reason to believe that such a role exists if we believe mafia messenger sent that second message to chezinu, because there is no reason to send that "incriminating" message unless mafia knew the messages would get intercepted. Could mafia really have a messenger role, a role that can send "fake" messages (it's possible that it's not actually fake and risk hasn't been around yet to read it) and a role that can see who are being targeted by day/night actions. I suppose one role could have multiple powers. | ||
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On July 28 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: All the offending message says is "I'm lonely, figure it out" or something right? Why would that require knowledge of what Chez sent to Katina? Because in the message chezinu sent to katina he pretends to be foolishness, which is a clever way of answering the cryptic "I'm lonely, figure it out" (she is lonely because foolishness is dead). | ||
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On July 28 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote: She's just like...a natural I think. Like, her reads are inordinately good...but she lacks the clout/thread-presence to make her stand out as obviously town. I can see her playing this way as town Syllo, but I have to emphasize that Katina has fooled me hard before. I agree with austin...Katina might be scum, but I don't think we should start there. Her decent reads or lack of thread presence isn't the problem, but the fact she somehow can't recognize what makes someone likely town but can recognize mafia behavior. It just seems impossible to scum hunt if you can't recognize both. Moreover, early on she kept siding with foolishness/agreeing with him despite allegedly considering him almost confirmed mafia and didn't really want to lynch him either until quite late. Anyway, it's quite possible that I've to a degree tunneled her. Lynch gonzaw, q-bert-z and then possibly risk depending on the roles. | ||
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On July 30 2012 16:05 Chezinu wrote: So... will the person who wanted me to message me claim? or will Prob have to solve the mystery himself? I already pointed out that it was me and the "I'm lonely" message to you was mafia trying to make you think I sent it, so it was likely completely unrelated to the pm you sent to Katina. | ||
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On July 16 2012 15:46 Q-bert-Z wrote: My fellow Co-worker, it would appear that we are the only two faithful working the night shift here. We should tread carefully, lest the batman catch us conversing. You would do well to talk to my cat AMERICA! for lessons on how to walk quietly, but I would cation you to watch your fingers as he has a tendency to bite. But I see that you're a down to business type of person, so I'll answer you frankly. I thought that those scoundrels at the top could send messages at more than just the night, so I'll have to look over the rules again to clarify that. There are, to be sure, nefarious powers that would change direction at the heinous command of their brutal overlords, but there are also those among us true brethren, those who hold true to the Brown Revolution, who could have been preying about, gleaning information about other...less scrupulous employees, which might also cause them to come about in their line of thinking. Now, when speaking in regard to my earlier comment regarding my comment regarding said "shifting", I will say this: This game is a boat. A boat full of mafia, and if we are to push the mafia off, we must rock the boat. They have but one (or is it two?) messages by which they may attempt to gain a footing, but I tell you, we MUST rock the boat so fast that they will need 3, NAY, FOUR, footings by which they must cling to stay on board. But onto more important matters. I now speak directly to all you mafia minions out there. Listen to me! Surely you are suffering under the weight of oppression, but I tell you, there is hope! You do not belong to those surly bureaucratic drunkards! You must throw off the yoke of oppression! We are the 99%, and you must join us! Do you not see what lies in wait for those who remain faithful to your false masters? A scapegoat with a ticket to the guillotine is what you are as long as you serve those oppressive monsters! This is your day! This is your hour! Don't let them strangle you with their commanding PM's, rebel! You've got to throw yourselves into the machine, and against the gears and against the leavers, and you've got to make this grinding hell of a reality end! Come, join the Brown Revolution! Rebel! Revolt! Rebuild! And now I bid you adieu. Fare thee well, my precious brethren. But to all those who would harm my brothers, quake, quake in your boots, for the WRATH of Q. Bert. Z. Is upon you! Q-bert-z is likely a minion who knows some, if not all, the roles in the game. He pretty clearly breadcrumbed some of them in this post | ||
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My first real order to you is to attack sandroba/wherebugsgo/Bill Murray/Palmar during the night. I want their credibility shot to hell. Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying. The votes were moving all over the place day 1, and people need to be held accountable. On July 19 2012 02:13 Katina wrote: A no lynch huh? That's really pathetic town. Syllogism don't you think to go after me and say I don't care because I wasn't around at lynch time. That says absolutely nothing about my alignment. You have done nothing but gone after people who think you are Mafia. Within the last 8 hours people were bringing up random cases about numerous people for example: WBG: brought in his case about austin. Really bugs? You should know better than that. Your behavoir has caused me to think you are Mafia. All the other games I have played in with you when it comes to lynch time you settle on a certain person and are incredibly stubborn to change your mind especially when theres risk of a no- lynch (I can vouch for this since I have tried numerous times to get you off my back and you didn't budge) Your votes were all over the place instead of trying to take charge and keep the thread focused like you usually do when you are town. BM: You have been pretty absent for most of D1 then you come in before the lynch and try to stir things up even more (I didn't think that was even possible) You basically sheeped everyone, your votes moved all over the place as well between gonzaw and BH. I can't get a read on you because of your blatant lack of posting (until right before the deadline) sandroba: I can say the same about you that I said to WBG. You switched your votes around so much as well and you really should know better. From what I know about your play is when you think someone is Mafia you are deadset on killing them. Much like bugs when he's town. You have accused probably 8 people this game of being Mafia D1.... That's not like you. Mattchew: I will be post a case on you later. I'm pretty sure that you are Mafia. I still think Palmar is Mafia as well. BH: I don't know why people are so wishy - washy about him. He's pretty scummy in his play. He never freaks out this much when he's about to die except when he's Mafia. [/quote] Huh pretty amazing right? | ||
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we MUST rock the boat so fast that they will need 3, NAY, FOUR, footings by which they must cling to stay on board. " - qbert-z This quote of q-bert-z might be hinting that and that's also why he was talking about mole. It also explains why he was so blatantly breadcrumbing role information. It makes sense for the town mole to have role information because mafia traitor will provide town information about mafia Mirror roles remember? | ||
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BM if you are around for the day post, steal risk nuke's vote immediately. | ||
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On July 31 2012 06:02 Katina wrote: I don't have a nuke. I will prove it when day comes. Again, I'm not Mafia, I wasn't following any orders.... I was calling people out on their behavior this game. Lynch risk.nuke and Q-bert-z first before you consider lynching me. That would be the best idea. Lynch the two remaining Mafia then gg. Even assuming that sloosh' pm was an attempt to frame you, that post seems very awkward and out of place when compared to your other posts. My issue with your play on the first few days is that you were calling foolishness+palmar mafia and then tunneling people like BM+mattchew. If it was an attempt to frame you, how come mafia didn't push the idea at all? | ||
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How do you like the q-bert-z is mole theory? Who is the last mafia in this scenario? | ||
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On July 31 2012 10:47 Katina wrote: I wasn't open to lynching him, I didn't want another mislynch for the town so I tried to reason with people while also trying to get the right person lynched. I always care about who's getting lynch, that is such a stupid ass thing to say. I may have changed my list a lot but I didn't clutter and confuse the town by switching my votes all over the place. risk.nuke and Q-bert-Z is left. I don't care about theories just what their filters say. I keep looking at your day 1&2 filter and all I see is mafia, so perhaps you were just confused about your alignment until day 3. Some of the things you post are just too bizarre/suspicious/hypocritical. I don't see why you would bother arguing about this if you were mafia though, so I suppose q-bert-z is the last one and not a mole. By the way, there is nothing wrong with "switching votes all over the place", only the hosts are annoyed by that. It certainly doesn't "confuse the town". | ||
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On August 01 2012 12:21 gonzaw wrote: I don't get how that Palmar wagon just happened out of thin air. Like...BH died, and everybody was like "Yeah let's kill Palmar" and then other people were like "Okay" and that's it. I know palmar well enough to know he couldn't be town based on just some of his reads and wording choices. Of course, explaining this kind of subtle things to everyone else wouldn't be very convincing. | ||
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