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Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this:
On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge.
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Is it because you feel he has a greater possibility of flipping officer?
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On July 25 2012 02:21 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:14 slOosh wrote:Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this: On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. Additional musings on the traitor: (1) Foolishness's PM said he didn't actually have any powers. Scum only has 3 minions with powers left. (2) Scum could know who the traitorous minion is, as the bosses might have been able to figure out who doesn't actually have the power they supposedly have. (3) IF you subscribe to the magical mirror theory, which I still don't like, then we may have a town traitor as well. 3 minions?
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On July 02 2012 16:06 Protactinium wrote: -Minions have no knowledge. However, they each may have an ability. The three executive officers have no innate abilities.
Reviewed the OP / flips - it could even be less than that.
Thoughts on risk.nuke as the next GGQ?
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On July 25 2012 04:35 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo.
I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy. Whatever you do, don't suicide into me. Sloosh is a better target. Why? You keep calling me that without really explaining yourself, piggybacking off shallow speculations. How am I a better, or even at all a good target?
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On July 25 2012 05:13 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:07 slOosh wrote:On July 25 2012 04:35 Chezinu wrote:On July 25 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo.
I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy. Whatever you do, don't suicide into me. Sloosh is a better target. Why? You keep calling me that without really explaining yourself, piggybacking off shallow speculations. How am I a better, or even at all a good target? You were a good target when I thought BH killed Foolishness. That doesn't explain how I'm a target. Are you talking about this?
On July 22 2012 13:14 Chezinu wrote: oh VE, you so crazed! Why you be occupying the streets?
On July 22 2012 10:01 Protactinium wrote: Hired hit man (dreamflower)
You are an evil, evil, bureaucrat, employed in human resources. The ruthless and efficient company managers wish to promote efficiency and productivity...by killing their most unproductive employees! Luckily you are the man for the job. Once per game, you may assassinate a fellow employee by poisoning the office coffee machine. But there's a catch: if you accidentally kill an innocent civilian employee, the comapny will betray you and deny that you ever worked for them, forcing you to jump off the building to avoid a trial (commit suicide). On the other hand, if you manage to poison a company employee (mafia), your boss will arrange to have the company lawyer blame it on a crazed Occupy Wall Street protestor and reward you with your coworker's (quite generous) pension (in others words, live and look awesome). Naturally, you do not have to use your power.
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On July 25 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:Hiro - I have things to say!With 9 pages of filter, you might expect that hiro has been influential this game, in finding scum and being generally pro town. Instead, he's spent a ton of time repeating what everyone already thinks, in the guise of hunting scum. For instance: On Zealos: + Show Spoiler +marv what do you think of this. You've caught Zealos before when you were town. Do you think he's playing the same way here? Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum. VE/austin, please read pages 73-74 and tell me what you think of Zealos. I like the idea of killing Zealos before Kurumi. lol Foolishness. No CEO dawg, we lynch Zealos. BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game. The last quote especially just seems to be a vague statement about how he thinks he is being pro town. He has never come up with his own argument for anyone being scum. He is very keen to stress how I should be getting lynched. Why would a mafia player want to make sure I am lynched above anyone else. Because he doesn't know the rest of his team. He can't risk calling anyone else out in case they flip red. Yes, I hear you say that he wouldn't know whether I am mafia or not, however, the worst that can happen by killing me is if I turn out to be a minion that everyone already thought was mafia anyway. He's basically trying to hide away from making any real reads or cases by just running with the "These guys are clearly confirmed scum so we should just ignore everything else" Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote: We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak Explain the case to me then please. ^.^ Otherwise known as, "Oh shit, Meapak could be mafia, better focus everyone's attention back to Zealos" Gonzaw is sorta got some similarities with Hiro, not to mention things that have been talked about by other people, so he is also looking red to me, however, I would prefer a hiro lynch. How is what you are doing different from what hiro is doing? Also, any reason why you doctored Sandroba's message when you posted it?
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On July 25 2012 05:27 syllogism wrote:Who would you like to lynch tomorrow, Sloosh? What did you mean exactly by this Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:47 slOosh wrote:On July 02 2012 16:06 Protactinium wrote: -Minions have no knowledge. However, they each may have an ability. The three executive officers have no innate abilities.
Reviewed the OP / flips - it could even be less than that. Thoughts on risk.nuke as the next GGQ? Current list is layabout, Meapak, Zealos, BM, risk.nuke. With risk it looks like he is skating by with minimal involvement - half his recent filter are questions. He is the cause of VE mistaking him for a vig but never bothered to clarify himself, so either he isn't reading or doesn't care. The reference to GGQ is that risk is flying under everyone's radars, yet doing enough to not get modkilled.
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On July 25 2012 05:46 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:44 slOosh wrote:On July 25 2012 05:27 syllogism wrote:Who would you like to lynch tomorrow, Sloosh? What did you mean exactly by this On July 25 2012 02:47 slOosh wrote:On July 02 2012 16:06 Protactinium wrote: -Minions have no knowledge. However, they each may have an ability. The three executive officers have no innate abilities.
Reviewed the OP / flips - it could even be less than that. Thoughts on risk.nuke as the next GGQ? Current list is layabout, Meapak, Zealos, BM, risk.nuke. With risk it looks like he is skating by with minimal involvement - half his recent filter are questions. He is the cause of VE mistaking him for a vig but never bothered to clarify himself, so either he isn't reading or doesn't care. The reference to GGQ is that risk is flying under everyone's radars, yet doing enough to not get modkilled. Why do you want to lynch Bill murray? Is it because Palmar and Foolishness wanted to lynch him? Ok now you are just twisting everything to make me look like scum, just because the role I received doesn't seem like a Ver / Incog thing to do, and apparently explaining myself was a scummy thing to do. I want to lynch him because he looks like scum. Did you lynch Palmar because Foolishness wanted to lynch him? What's with the loaded question?
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Wow ... maybe this will help you guys ##Nuke: Meapak_Ziphh ##Shoot: Meapak_Ziphh ##Lynch: Meapak_Ziphh ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
I used my shot. I have no other abilities. BM chose to use his ability on QbertZ last time, don't know why you expect him to do it this time, and I still don't see how you guys think his D2 actions concerning Kurumi - Sandroba - Chezinu make any sense.
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On July 26 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 01:52 rastaban wrote: Chezinu do you know which CEO's minion we killed last night? one of them is leading in power once again. Probulous killed a minion of the Chairman, who was as far as I know the second minion of the Chairman to fall. Here's hoping the Chairman is the one calling the kills. LMAO
On July 22 2012 09:12 Protactinium wrote: Lastly, your team will vote on a kill. During the day, the rest of the mafia will send in their kill choice to the mod. At the lynch we will present you with a list of names to choose the kill from.. If you die the Chairman of the Board takes over your job, then the vice president of marketing, and if he dies then the name which comes up the most from the remaining mafia members is the target. Once per game you may eschew the advice of your minions and simply choose the target yourself.
Chairman only knows 1 minion so the other branch cannot anticipate the night kills and act accordingly. On the flip side since he only has 1 buddy they will have constant messaging. And again on the flip side if the last minion is a mole we get all the juicy stuff, and so here's to paranoia!
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On July 26 2012 07:11 syllogism wrote: We still have over 24 hours yes.
Gonzaw: it has to do with your approaches. In Zealos' case you dismiss every explanation that might explain his behavior even if he is town and in Sloosh' case you dismiss every explanation why the play makes sense from mafia perspective. The claim is so suspicious, that the inconsistency and flat out refusal to lynch sloosh combined with your eagerness to lynch zealos is why I am not willing to believe you are town.
Unsurprisingly sloosh voted meapak rather than gonzaw Why so surprised?
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On July 26 2012 07:46 supersoft wrote: Tomorrow we lynch MZ. Today we lynch Gonzaw.
Alea iacta est! lol
##unvote ##vote Gonzaw Is this a jab at me?
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On July 26 2012 09:11 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:On July 26 2012 07:11 syllogism wrote: We still have over 24 hours yes.
Gonzaw: it has to do with your approaches. In Zealos' case you dismiss every explanation that might explain his behavior even if he is town and in Sloosh' case you dismiss every explanation why the play makes sense from mafia perspective. The claim is so suspicious, that the inconsistency and flat out refusal to lynch sloosh combined with your eagerness to lynch zealos is why I am not willing to believe you are town.
Unsurprisingly sloosh voted meapak rather than gonzaw Why so surprised? Because you have never mentioned your stance on Gonzaw. You called him scum on Day 1 based on my case but since then he has disapeared from your reads but when time comes to lynch him suddenly Meapak is the scum not Gonzaw. Sure you might think MZ a better lynch but completely ignoring Gonzaw (as far as we can tell) is pretty damning. That's not what syllogism is getting at - he is insinuating that I have some hesitation with voting gonzaw i.e. he is scum and I am scum and I don't want to lynch him, which doesn't make sense since he thinks Meapak is scum too.
My read of MZ wasn't sudden, and since we were just casting preliminary votes I didn't think I needed to rehash the cases against either. Yea, it seems I'm still without the ability of transparency but it's hard to have any motivation when I'm consistently called scum and everyone seems to be gliding over my posts.
On July 24 2012 18:18 slOosh wrote:With Meapak I think his filter alone is enough to deem him scum, and potentially exec with his vet status: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote:On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote: CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh/syllo/probulus. ah I corrected that list for you ;-) * stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle.+ On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote: Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him. Despite what he'll have you believe, Palmar is not allergic to contributing. Bolded part is extremely retarded, Palmar isn't good enough to justify giving special privileges to. Only player of that caliber in this game is foolishness and even so it'd be nice if he'd make an appearance soonish. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 07:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:lol sandroba that was beautiful. ##Vote: KurumiSo let's talk about tomorrow. My assumptions are that Chez will continue trolling and that Palmar will continue to be worthless but let's broaden our horizons. Blazinghand and rastaban spring to mind, BH has been discussed a fair bit but I'll shed some light on rastaban. + Show Spoiler + Some of his greatest his include posts like this: On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:Caught up now, thoughts so far: First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity! This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for. @ HiroPro Third yes mafia only has 1 KP see: Show nested quote +Extra Information: The mafia kill process goes like this: Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline. Fourth, While I think a Policy lynch on claiming blues is bad, I do think you bring up a very valid point. As you mention 1 for 1 may not be a bad trade for them so I think we should certainly be extra wary of any claimants and possibly lynch the claimant if it seems fishy, but I think a Policy is going a bit too far. OK so thats my setup review / plans post, I am now working on locating scum so I will follow up in a bit with my thoughts on who to lynch. This: On July 17 2012 00:15 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 00:08 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 00:06 HiroPro wrote:That's why I want the random lynch to be right before the half-cycle Cycle is day-night. Half cycle is either day or night. They probably can communicate right now. Mind you, that's only 3 messages. CEO-High Rank-Minion and High Rank-Minion. And they get only 1 shot to do so, so they will need to wait before sending it out. and it sounds like names are restricted in someway as well. Say we start to lynch a minion, then only 1 other person knows he is mafia (the high rank) at most he can probably say don't let this lynch go through. and it gets sent to the other 2 minions, but only if he hadn't said anything before that. or he won't even be able to say that. They also need to wait to hear from the leader or they can't forward on his message. This means more confusion as they have to wait later to try and save someone. This is why this lynch is so unique and a great shot for us to lynch scum. (full disclosure, I forgot they could send one message now though, which is why I said they would have no impact in my previous post) And this: On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote: I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go.
As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake.
##vote blazinghand What traits to these posts share? They're extremely wishy-washy, there's a lot of setup speculation, and his current vote was part of a bandwagon where he was merely parroting other's opinions. I'll continue to keep my eye on my other little fishes but they've been well discussed unlike rastaban who has been skirting the radar. Thoughts? (people who read the thread only please). He is doing the same thing Palmar is doing. Going after big name players but backing off when it seems like they could be scum. He says that Palmar isn't special enough to give privileges to, yet his actions and words speak otherwise. Focuses on and picks on safer choice rastaban, who isn't as big of a loss if on same team as Palmar.
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But yea I still think gonzaw is a good lynch, and I'll consolidate when necessary. Meapak has higher chance of officer flip I think though, which is why I stuck it on him.
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Hitting the officer completely severs any remnant of teamwork scum could have. It's not something to worry about but on the flip side it isn't something to completely neglect.
On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote: There are redundancy factors in place for communication once someone dies but they will be less than normal. In normal games the town wants to prioritize certain mafia to eliminate powers (especially in PYP games) or reduce kp. As eliminating mafia will not reduce kp here, the focus should be geared at disrupting communication by removing the executives.
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Hey guys, it's me again. I've been lying the whole game with the vig business and if you've ever played with me you would know that my play this game is totally off. I suspect I've been found out and they are killing me under the guise of all these nukes so I'm outing myself now. I'm the mole:
On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. That's basically my role.
Here are my PMs. First PM received pretty late N1 (could be because waiting for CEO PM or deadline shift).
First message to you, minion number two. It's only night 1 and I'm not allowed to communicate names whatsoever. I will say that it's best to just play the game as a townie as best you can. Don't worry about accusing or voting for or getting someone you think is mafia killed. The rest will fall into place over time. At least that's how I believe the setup will work. One regard that I think is at the top of preserving is keeping the town as chaotic as possible. Since mafia don't know each other, there's no way to correlate things between votes or between members (at least very little obviously). At any opportunity necessary we (the mafia) need to call out anyone as soon as they make a mistake, make a bogus case or give bogus reasoning. Anything that can be nitpicked at should be nitpicked at. My first real order to you is to attack sandroba/wherebugsgo/Bill Murray/Palmar during the night. I want their credibility shot to hell. Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying. The votes were moving all over the place day 1, and people need to be held accountable. Few miscellaneous items. Our mafia team has a Pardoner, Snoopy role, and a Commuter role. The pardoner is what you expect. Snoopy role gets an update of night actions once per night, he gets to choose when. The commuter gets to leave town every other night and is immune to anything for that night. The CEO and I are in the process of figuring who has what - if you have the passive role make a passing accusation of one of the quiet players. If not ask a question / speculate about the setup and possible roles. There is a traitor in the mafia team (mole, if you will). The mole counts as mafia for counting sakes, but wants the town to win, i.e. acts like the Mole role for all intensive purposes (counts as mafia, wins with the town). The mole can be any of the 8 mafia members. The CEO have a one time ability where he can instantly kill anyone on the mafia team (I guess it's so he can kill the mole if he figures them out). He doesn't plan on ever using it. Regardless, he wants me to tell you about it (even though you might be the mole). For sending in your night kills, send in a person who you perceive to be pro town. Do not worry about trying to blue snipe someone. It's very very important that we cause as much damage during the night. With a no lynch day one we need to cause as much chaos as possible. Do work. Do it hard. Here is a quote that the CEO wanted added to each message. Show nested quote +Message from the CEO: I will say right now that I do not think I will be able to live very long this game. I have devised plans/strategies to accommodate this outcome. I will not reveal details at this moment. However, should something crazy happen in the thread which involves you, I ask that you go along with what is happening. I cannot say much more about it, other than you will know it if it should happen to you. Think carefully about what is happening before you make a gut reaction to something. Rest assure, if it did happen, it would be very crazy and you will know it when it happens. Second PM received late N2:
Second message for you, minion number two. Something big is going to happen with the day post. With limited KP and large town numbers, this game will drag on and it is crucial that we have key players in the endgame. We are setting up a counterclaim. Check out WBG's C9++. The CEO tells me that we have stuff in place to resolve everything. It is likely that you will quickly be found out - that is ideal, it adds credibility; however, you must remain alive long enough for the other pieces of the plan to fit. For the fake claim, call yourself "Crazed Employee" and make sure to account for not shooting Kurumi N1. The chaos in the town needs to ensue for as long as possible. Right now there is no organization; just everyone is spewing out random cases against people. This cannot change Keep the posting up. Keep the town unfocused. Don't let the big names run around freely. I've been going along with the plan to see how it unfolds but your guess is as good as mine. I've been lurking to try to receive the third PM but I haven't got one, so yea. Since I count among scum numbers lynching me first is the safest way to proceed with whatever we decide to do.
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At wrk right now so quick phone posting
I am under chairman of marketng.
guessing I guessed commuter right which is why they chose me for plan as its check proof etc.
will try checking up during the day.
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On July 27 2012 05:36 rastaban wrote: ##Vote: slOosh His flip gives us info on MZ and Supersoft... I am interested to see where this goes. The heck voting for information? What kind of contrived reasoning is this?
As for the PMs, the CEO and exec chose to pass down the knowledge of mole information down, and along with that all the rest of the information. I doubt that the sheer existence of a mole would strike paranoia in a player of Foolishness' understanding, and so the PM information is quite valid, if not the second then definitely the first.
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On July 27 2012 05:49 Zealos wrote: I am saying this now, I would rather have MZ killed that slOosh at this point, heck, I most wanna kill Hiro or Gonzaw atm. But we need a lynch of some kind so... Vote: slOosh On July 27 2012 06:03 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 05:49 Zealos wrote: I am saying this now, I would rather have MZ killed that slOosh at this point, heck, I most wanna kill Hiro or Gonzaw atm. But we need a lynch of some kind so... Vote: slOosh I agree, MZ seems scummier but we have to lynch slOosh at some point so better than a no lynch. I'd reconsider Zealos and rastaban after my flip. It's not the vote itself which is worrisome, but the explanation behind it. It's for the wrong motivations that they are voting for me. I'll be checking up here and there.
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