Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.

In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.

@Chezinu: Chaos bad

##vote: Chezinu

On July 17 2012 06:51 supersoft wrote:


hahaha, you still think it's necessary to reason your vote if we got a case that clear? He claimed scum dude?

On July 17 2012 07:27 Kurumi wrote:

YOU would find it very unlikely that it was from a third party. I found it the most reasonable. Townie messaging you to do things? Then you find out that NOBODY has done this? I thought about claiming getting this message but 1) I did not get confirmation from hosts I could talk about it 2) I was planning to reveal it close before the night starts/after it starts so we could work things out. I KNEW it wasn't a scum message because that's not how things work. Town doesn't get orders. Scum do. (I was even questioning my alignment) So I went with it. I figured out someone's doing some fun circle, probably Chez so I went with it. Did I think about it as a town message? Not at all. Town DOESN'T GET ORDERS. So I assumed it was third party. It will be so fun when I flip town~

On July 17 2012 12:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
who cares if he's pushing someone else who you also think is scum? Scum will do that in this game because it serves their interests best.

Part of my whole "let syllo find scum" bit is that you can actually almost trust reads given by scum in this game. It means you ignore things you would normally count as town tells (i.e. if they push a scum then you don't count it as a town tell) however you CAN take everyone's pushes seriously because everyone in the game has an interest in finding scum.

In other words establishing yourself as town takes more effort but everyone's scumhunting can be taken at least partially seriously. This is unlike other games where establishing yourself as town is fairly easy because not everyone's scumhunting can be taken seriously.

On July 18 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
for tonight, 6h 40 mins

On July 19 2012 01:19 syllogism wrote:
I can't believe this game uses extended majority lynch. How was that a good idea

On July 20 2012 01:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't like risk.nuke. I think part of it is his disgusting reaver portrait, but check it out:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=76576

His initial comments actually aren't that bad, viewed on their own-- he doesn't like chaos or chezinu, he calls out the bad day 1 reads thing, and he argues about about RL. But how much as he really added since that initial outburst of early game chatter?

Well, He drops a vote on Kurumi with some minimal discussion, since Kurumi is basically scum D1. He explains his vote.

And then... nothing. He drops a vote on austinmcc later as we get closer to the lynch deadline.

That's everything Risk.Nuke has done.

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Now, I could imagine having a relatively quiet first half of D1, or maybe entire D1. But we're in D2 now, and after a whole night and nearly a third of D2, RN is unbelievably quiet. Why is that? It's not because he thinks there's nothing to talk about, I can assure you that-- he made a pretty long response to one of the opening posts when there was less activity: (link)

Risk.Nuke is alarmingly inactive-- he's posted no analysis, no reads, nothing. Since the end of D1 he's made two posts:



The first one is worthless, and the second one is (in the first half) self evident and (in the second half) completely left hanging.

What are you doing, risk.nuke?

why so unhelpful? Why so lurk? why so scum?

I don't like risk.nuke. I think part of it is his disgusting reaver portrait, but check it out:

why so unhelpful? Why so lurk? why so scum?

On July 20 2012 07:42 Mattchew wrote:
Cool add zealos to the list


Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
Zealos
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ

On July 20 2012 22:52 rastaban wrote:
Hmm I guess Sandroba could have bussed 2 minions to make it seem he has his role. Well that is easy to check, We just have town decide who he messages next. He only has 1 minion left at this point if scum exec, so only 1 in 20 something of actually picking that person. If that person gets the message then we confirm him town, if not then we can lynch him. he gets 1 a 1/2 cycle and no one else is likely to fall for it at this point so no waste if he gices up one of them to confirm himself.

On July 22 2012 00:47 Palmar wrote:
if you can shoot tonight kill foolishness, syllo, katina, BM, zealos etc

I'll be around later

On July 22 2012 04:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Players widely regarded as scum:

Foolishness, Blazinghand, Palmar (though at present I don't want to lynch him) and...what, has Chezinu reached that threshold yet?

That's our lynch docket tomorrow: Foolishness, Blazinghand, Palmar, Chezinu

Because we need focus.

On July 22 2012 09:30 syllogism wrote:
Foolishness' weird defense of Palmar makes it fairly likely that palmar is an executive. That would also explain why Palmar has put some effort into his bigger posts, as I would expect him to be even lazier as a minion. I highly doubt mafia executive roles were RNGed and Foolishness flipping ceo just reinforces it.

On July 22 2012 18:34 syllogism wrote:

How is that delayed?

On July 23 2012 01:40 supersoft wrote:
what? you stole slooshs power and he has a daykill ability? LOL
we can use that to instashoot him :D

On July 23 2012 02:07 syllogism wrote:

1-shot vigi that can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycles? Yes that sounds like a likely role

On July 23 2012 22:13 HiroPro wrote:
What sloosh/BM situation are you talking about. BM has q-bert's vote.

On July 23 2012 22:08 supersoft wrote:
risk that makes no sense. you have two options. stick with syllo and me and help town, or you do your own thing and screw up everything.
if you convince only one that doesnt switch back, we risk a nolynch.

On July 24 2012 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
One at a time. After Palmer we slow the f*** down and reassess. If Palmer flips Executive, town is in a really strong position and we have time.

On July 24 2012 14:47 Chezinu wrote:

So are you a craze employee?

On July 25 2012 07:21 marvellosity wrote:
lol risk you sound just like Zentor

how does that feel?

On July 27 2012 00:54 syllogism wrote:
BH, Palmar and Layabout all pushed zealos lynch. It obviously doesn't clear him, but it is another reason why I don't consider him a priority. While they all flipped minion, they could have easily received orders to push for the lynch.

On July 27 2012 02:03 syllogism wrote:


Well this directly seems to incriminate risk, but given that risk hasn't really said anything useful at all and they knew about the traitor, it could just be there to throw us off.

On July 27 2012 02:13 risk.nuke wrote:

Try to twist and turn it. It's just bullshit that that would incriminate me. He's saying do this to appear pro-town and blend in. Are you suggesting that his boss would tell him to sheep other scum?

What to read out of this is that Sloosh's boss is a person who thought foolishness was town and that sloosh's boss thought I was town.

On July 27 2012 02:17 syllogism wrote:

I'm not going to discuss how I survived the night. I'm very obviously town and you are not helping.

On July 27 2012 04:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

The point of claiming cop is that I am a cop. I'll check gonzaw or zealos or whoever you guys want tonight.

On July 30 2012 07:01 gonzaw wrote:
You do realize that rastaban claimed the exact same thing before right?

On August 01 2012 06:54 Probulous wrote:
The problem with killing half your team as scum as you cannot be sure they are on the same half. If you kill all your minions you lose both the numbers advantage and your abilities. Once you have effectively your team town would be rightly suspicious if you start lynching townies at an alarming rate.

This game is fundamentally hard for scum. I am surprised no mafia went solo and just ignored all PM communication. You know play as a townie. Town needed to kill every scum so it was worth a shot. Especially with the number of scum around.

On August 01 2012 23:50 strongandbig wrote:
So if that power could be confused with mod confirmation it would be way OP. You could just have it say

and gg.

What I assume the hosts actually mean with that power is that the day post would include something like

On August 02 2012 03:05 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Should have tried to get people to think it was a police radio. Give like, one or two checks to clear one guy, or incriminate another. Give a red check on someone to bus them, then a green check on yourself to confirm yourself as town. Would have bee. Fairly believable because a DT check on someone who is highly suspected is totally normal, and it works out nicely because you bus someone who is already likely to die, and will certainly flip soon after your broadcast. His flip will confirm the legitimacy of the police radioish role.