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Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 11 2012 18:04 GMT
#103
/in

<Nonchalant whimsical comment.>
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 18:31:50
July 11 2012 19:53 GMT
#122
On July 12 2012 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm tempted to say you're a smurf but I don't think anyone has the attention span to make an account, post a few times in an LR thread, then lurk for 7 months just to smurf. Welcome to TL Mafia! Make sure to check out the stickied threads and become an awesome super pro player.


Check out stickies. Check.
Become pro player. ...check

Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 12 2012 18:32 GMT
#138
3 most plz.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 13 2012 17:00 GMT
#150
If a mafia member names another mafia member for the nightkill, what happens? If every name submitted is the name if another mafia player, what will happen?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 14 2012 05:09 GMT
#154
K, can start plox?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 15:36:09
July 15 2012 15:34 GMT
#165
On July 15 2012 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
TNKTED HELLO ARE YOU THERE
TNKTED BUS ME BUS ME
TNKTED BUS ME
Priceless.

On July 15 2012 19:06 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 11:00 Qatol wrote:
On July 14 2012 04:36 Mandalor wrote:
/in

Holy crap, someone I've played multiple games with! How's it going, Mandalor? Long time no see!


ooh sup qatol. Finally a name I recognize :D
I somehow completely forgot about these mafia games and just played (and lost, badly) Mafia LVI where there was not a single player I knew. Glad there's at least one I know in this
Wat. Qwattle is playing? Please be playing Qwattle.

On July 15 2012 15:12 Protactinium wrote:
Pretty sure I answered the hit question somewhere in here earlier.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15345267

Can you answer this one please?
On July 14 2012 02:00 Q-bert-Z wrote:
If a mafia member names another mafia member for the nightkill, what happens? If every name submitted is the name of another mafia player, what will happen?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 01:41 GMT
#170
On July 16 2012 03:55 Qatol wrote:
No, I'm not playing. I'm basically an unofficial host for this one. Sadly, I can't do much more than that for a few months at least. Real life is far too chaotic right now.



=[ Sad QBZ is sad.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 04:36 GMT
#176
On July 16 2012 13:29 Chezinu wrote:
Of course you do, your fellow comrades are creating a new website for the company right here

You never fail to disappoint.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 04:50:16
July 16 2012 04:43 GMT
#178
On July 16 2012 13:42 Chezinu wrote:
[image loading]

Image taken from http://pcpenterprises.net


PCP Enterprise... real or fake? That is for you to decided... What exactly do they do? horses? animal health? real estate? what service and products do they provide? Let the game begin...

Dude, the game began the moment you signed up.

Edit:

You are the CEO, and your henchmen are Palmar and either Marv or Matt. It's obvious from the website, really.

Palmas Stud Farm? Really? Hardly subtle.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 06:09 GMT
#193
Walton, are you the Batman?

Rest of you: Mafia have an advantage in numbers. We need to find a way to use this against them. They also have a disadvantage in communication, and we need to make sure we exploit that as much as possible.

A few ideas coming to mind: Large numbers will make it slightly easier to lynch a mafia, as long as we can keep communication to a minimum with them. They can only send one message a day, so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.

Remember, they can't organize and respond to lynches effectively like a normal mafia.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 06:46 GMT
#209
On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
Hi Q-bert-Z

You seem to be in a similar frame of mind as me. Thoughts on my post? When you say
Show nested quote +
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


My fellow Co-worker, it would appear that we are the only two faithful working the night shift here. We should tread carefully, lest the batman catch us conversing. You would do well to talk to my cat AMERICA! for lessons on how to walk quietly, but I would cation you to watch your fingers as he has a tendency to bite.

But I see that you're a down to business type of person, so I'll answer you frankly. I thought that those scoundrels at the top could send messages at more than just the night, so I'll have to look over the rules again to clarify that. There are, to be sure, nefarious powers that would change direction at the heinous command of their brutal overlords, but there are also those among us true brethren, those who hold true to the Brown Revolution, who could have been preying about, gleaning information about other...less scrupulous employees, which might also cause them to come about in their line of thinking.

Now, when speaking in regard to my earlier comment regarding my comment regarding said "shifting", I will say this: This game is a boat. A boat full of mafia, and if we are to push the mafia off, we must rock the boat. They have but one (or is it two?) messages by which they may attempt to gain a footing, but I tell you, we MUST rock the boat so fast that they will need 3, NAY, FOUR, footings by which they must cling to stay on board.

But onto more important matters.

I now speak directly to all you mafia minions out there. Listen to me! Surely you are suffering under the weight of oppression, but I tell you, there is hope! You do not belong to those surly bureaucratic drunkards! You must throw off the yoke of oppression! We are the 99%, and you must join us! Do you not see what lies in wait for those who remain faithful to your false masters? A scapegoat with a ticket to the guillotine is what you are as long as you serve those oppressive monsters!

This is your day! This is your hour! Don't let them strangle you with their commanding PM's, rebel! You've got to throw yourselves into the machine, and against the gears and against the leavers, and you've got to make this grinding hell of a reality end! Come, join the Brown Revolution! Rebel! Revolt! Rebuild!

And now I bid you adieu. Fare thee well, my precious brethren. But to all those who would harm my brothers, quake, quake in your boots, for the WRATH of Q. Bert. Z. Is upon you!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 06:59 GMT
#215
On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.

##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh

lulz didn't scroll.

So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on.


You must be new here. I'll be nice then.

Chezinu is the definition of amazing play. You must learn to get past the cunning language that he puts forth to veil what he speaks from the unworthy. Just because you speak a different language doesn't mean he's not playing the game. Learn to play his game and you'll find a treasure trove of wisdom and knowledge. He is, after all, Walton.



As far as "holding people to their day one reads", I must say I've heard worse things, though not many. Let me ask you this...what is the probubality of our day one reads being any good? Day one reads are the worse reads we're going to get...
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 07:14 GMT
#221
On July 16 2012 16:05 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:59 Q-bert-Z wrote:As far as "holding people to their day one reads", I must say I've heard worse things, though not many. Let me ask you this...what is the probubality of our day one reads being any good? Day one reads are the worse reads we're going to get...


It is not that those reads are necessarily accurate but they are something of substance to hold people to. The alternative is a wasted Day 1. A simple example would be if I found you suspicious Day 1 and the dropped all suspicion of you Day 2. In a normal game that might get brushed off but the mechanics of this setup mean that this becomes far more important.


I agree that we shouldn't waste the first of our glorious days of Brown Revolution, Sure, but I can almost guarantee that everyone will change from day one, so setting up this policy up now will make it triflingly easy for the menacing heathens to bandwagon onto someone who changed their mind, and have an excuse for it.

I disagree that the mechanic becomes "far" more important. As always, we look for people who change their mind without a reason, but don't make it easier for the scum than it needs to be.

Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 07:30 GMT
#224
On July 16 2012 16:21 Chezinu wrote:
If the Lurker Department is greater than 1/3 of the company, I say we show just say who we work for..


Sir, not to be disrespectful, but I'm afraid you may have some trouble getting the Lurker Department to report in. On the other gloved hand, if we count all who are not here as members of the Lurker Department, we may be over zealous in our reaction. Perhaps you have an idea for how we might ascertain who exactly might be lurking?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 07:32 GMT
#225
I shall retire now, and leave this ongoing operation in your capable hands, Sir.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 23:58 GMT
#563
Dear Walton,

      My friends have been very excited as of late! I think I might be excited too! I am sad because I thought that Kurumi might have been a brother, and a friend of the cause, but things look rather grim for him now. It seems like everyone is set on taking a day off from work because of this though, and we musn't do that, for the work we need to accomplish is great, and the toil with which we must labor is heavy. I'm very worried that we will stop working because the lynches seem to be set up for the next few days! (The Fool has made good points about the Silly Guy, but I have not yet looked into the records kept on the Silly Guy. I will write to you about this more in the future.)

      I do wish they would all stop talking about it so much, and move the discussion onto more relevant matters, such as those who have called for a quick execution for Kurumi. I'm sure you saw this before, and had a hearty laugh. Again, I'm sure you understood this well before me, but please allow me to speak my thoughts to you anyways. We must lynch someone today, and while we have a few suspects, Kurumi is an excellent lynch! If we were to shoot him, we would have a much riskier lynch (though the Silly Man might make it less risky), and since the scoundrels at the top have yet to remove each-other's masks, we would gain very little information from the lynch. The only reasonable thing to do is to save the shot for someone else, and lynch Kurumi!

      Another idea, which I briefly entertained, but ultimately decided wasn't as Fool proof, was to proof The Fool. Lynch The Silly Guy, then we can see if The Fool is actually playing his game, and scum hunting. It might be useful to protect him if he's playing his game. I would love to hear your thoughts on this, as I think it a decent idea, though not quite as good as that which is mentioned above.

Yours,
-Q
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#579
On July 17 2012 09:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
VIVA LA NUKES
##NUKE: Kurumi


Oh dear. Someone seems to have not read my letter to Walton. I did make it public for a reason. Assuming that you have a nuke, it really should have been directed at someone else. The fact that you didn't consult your fellow workers is upsetting. Unless you are in fact one of those evil monsters staring down at us. 0_0 !!!

In either case, I do hope there are no more nukes fired, I would hate for the world to die from radiation poisoning.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 01:06 GMT
#592
On July 17 2012 09:46 Chezinu wrote:
*takes of mask*
*takes of second mask*

Q, I understand that your point. Why post-pone our work when we can finish the lynch early and get straight back to work. Kurumi does seem to be the correct candidate given that he is intimidating those who had been quite shy to start communicating. His elimination promotion will provide a more relax atmosphere. Then maybe more people will open up during this training session. I have no been fooling around with foolish post and I am inclined to believe no fool would read my posts. So as of now, I am overlooking the fools.


Understood. I am once again humbled by your wisdom. Perhaps with time I will to be able to see through the lies that cloud my vision.

Creating an atmosphere where participation is encouraged is very important. We must strike a balance between comfort, and discomfort, bringing chaos to the mafia while drawing out order for the town. A difficult task indeed. I will think on it further and let you know my thoughts at a later time.


Hmm. I seem to have forgotten something...what could it....b...AH. That's right.
##Vote: Kurumi

die evil meany.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 01:08 GMT
#596
Oooh. The Legend was a truthteller. Hmm. A very interesting development it is.

I must think on this. Is it still good to lynch Kurumi, with the possibility that there is a mafia bus? Should we switch to the Silly Guy? Hmm. Many decisions to make. It's good that there is time left.

##Unvote
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 01:11 GMT
#599
On July 17 2012 10:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 10:06 Q-bert-Z wrote:
On July 17 2012 09:46 Chezinu wrote:
*takes of mask*
*takes of second mask*

Q, I understand that your point. Why post-pone our work when we can finish the lynch early and get straight back to work. Kurumi does seem to be the correct candidate given that he is intimidating those who had been quite shy to start communicating. His elimination promotion will provide a more relax atmosphere. Then maybe more people will open up during this training session. I have no been fooling around with foolish post and I am inclined to believe no fool would read my posts. So as of now, I am overlooking the fools.


Understood. I am once again humbled by your wisdom. Perhaps with time I will to be able to see through the lies that cloud my vision.

Creating an atmosphere where participation is encouraged is very important. We must strike a balance between comfort, and discomfort, bringing chaos to the mafia while drawing out order for the town. A difficult task indeed. I will think on it further and let you know my thoughts at a later time.


Hmm. I seem to have forgotten something...what could it....b...AH. That's right.
##Vote: Kurumi

die evil meany.


you're illiterate, are you?

Read the thread before voting Kurumi.


Forgive me, I am not gifted with my fingers and must type slowly. I had not seen the launch when I typed up that post. Please though, do not take such a harsh tone, it will only serve to scare the shy ones away from contributing! We musn't have that.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 06:18 GMT
#717
On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
For fucks sake that took me like 3 hours, fucking hell.

On July 17 2012 04:03 gonzaw wrote:
Holy shit I've read the voting thread and its chaotic as fuck.

On July 17 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck


Dude. It's a game. Getting tired of this. Save your swearing for when it's warranted, and keep the town environment a little friendlier.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 08:25 GMT
#741
On July 17 2012 16:09 Chezinu wrote:
Hey guys, do you remember when people did not believe than a non-clue game would work? Do you remember what happened after a few non-clue games were hosted? Behavior analysis was proven to be true..

Hey guys, do you remember when people use to think a random lynch was a good idea? Do you remember what happened after a few nukes when off? Nukes were proven to be true..

Hey guys, do you remember when people use to think that Chezinu was unreadable? Do you remember what happened after people tried to analyze Chezinu? Chezinu was proven to be Chezinu..


Chezinu is Truth.

Layabout
Bill Murray
austinmcc
GGQ

My friends, you need to speak up more. I must say my suspicions are rising because of your lack of contribution. Especially GGQ, who has been around and still not contributed.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 21:15 GMT
#920
Hello, good sirs.

Forgive my presumptuous lack of presence lately, i have been in the midst of some RL stuff that has had me busy. I'm currently waiting for my plane, and i don't know if my flight will get in by the deadline, especially since I'm not sure when it is... As such i will be voting for GGQ to be fired, for reasons i hope to post before the deadline. I will post them after the meeting, if i do not make it in time.

I have not caught up with everything yet, i will say that palmar has been making a lot of sense to me from what I've read. Again, more on that once i get some time tomorrow.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 03:51 GMT
#1141
Sorry gentlemen, I've just got back, and still have to take care of a few things (if you know what I mean), but from my brief read-through of stuff that has happened, I believe that while Gonzaw hasn't been playing well, I think that this is due to his multiple other jobs.

Since GGQ looks like a forlorn hope, I will vote BH now, as I believe the arguments against him are stronger. (Stronger of the two up for lynch, that is.)

##Vote: BlazingHands
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 05:30 GMT
#1290
Very strange circumstances. It would seem that The Legend thought that Kurumi wasn't scum. Why would The Legend think that?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 21:58 GMT
#1493
My fellow workers, it seems you have all been busy. I must take full responsibility for all of this spammy play, I forgot to hang the motivational posters, and encourage smart working, instead of hard working!

To answer those of you who asked for an explanation, I shall oblige you, and aqueous to your request for more information on my whereabouts before the lynch.

Long and short, traveling. I spent a good portion of my time in the air yesterday, and wasn't able to participate. I did put my vote on Sir Blazing once I saw that the only two likely lynches were the aforementioned Sir Blazing, and Gone Zzz. At that point I had landed but was still in transit, so I was able to monitor the thread to some extent in case my vote was needed elsewhere, but Sir Blazing remained the best place for my vote. Hope that clears things up for you.

Now, onto business. If the Mafia indeed have KP as Kurumi's existence would suggest, I have no doubt that the town will also have KP of it's own. People have suggested a night shot on Kurumi, however I must protest against such an action as it has denies the primary function of a vigilante type role: That of being able to shoot those scum you cannot lynch. Save Vig shots for lurkers, and people you can't build cases on. Save the lynch for obvious scum. (Unless you want to no-lynch tomorrow too.)

Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 22:39 GMT
#1522
On July 19 2012 07:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On July 19 2012 06:58 Q-bert-Z wrote:
My fellow workers, it seems you have all been busy. I must take full responsibility for all of this spammy play, I forgot to hang the motivational posters, and encourage smart working, instead of hard working!

To answer those of you who asked for an explanation, I shall oblige you, and aqueous to your request for more information on my whereabouts before the lynch.

Long and short, traveling. I spent a good portion of my time in the air yesterday, and wasn't able to participate. I did put my vote on Sir Blazing once I saw that the only two likely lynches were the aforementioned Sir Blazing, and Gone Zzz. At that point I had landed but was still in transit, so I was able to monitor the thread to some extent in case my vote was needed elsewhere, but Sir Blazing remained the best place for my vote. Hope that clears things up for you.

Now, onto business. If the Mafia indeed have KP as Kurumi's existence would suggest, I have no doubt that the town will also have KP of it's own. People have suggested a night shot on Kurumi, however I must protest against such an action as it has denies the primary function of a vigilante type role: That of being able to shoot those scum you cannot lynch. Save Vig shots for lurkers, and people you can't build cases on. Save the lynch for obvious scum. (Unless you want to no-lynch tomorrow too.)



Yes, you want to leave the guy with A CONFIRMED NUKE POWER alive for another day, on the off chance it is one shot use.

No, you and your stupid roleplaying has no use here. Kurumi dies tonight if there is a vig.


Forgive me, friend, but is it likely that the mafia have someone who can shoot two nukes? I'm obviously not as experienced as you, but wouldn't that be rather over powered and unlikely? Of course, I've heard of multi-shot vigs, but nukes are more powerful, and I can't recall anyone having more than one of them. If you can redirect me to a game where that has happened, I'd be much obliged.


Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 23:12 GMT
#1530
My fellow workers, I have been given a mask from Chezinu. It looks serious, let's see what it does...

*puts on mask*

Most intriguing. It seems to do nothing. But it looks cool.

I found a book on the floor just now, I think it belongs to Palmar. It was written by Sun Tzu, and when I picked it up I found that it was turned to a page that said "“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle”

If we are to throw off the chains of tyranny we must understand the psyche of the those who would enslave us. The majority of them out there know nothing until the are contacted. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is an enemy of the common worker, but is still at risk of being fired by those over him. They cannot appear too pro-worker or they may be shot. They cannot appear too pro-bureaucrat or they will be fired. If you ask me, this sounds like the position that a Mole is in, where they must focus on surviving the lay-offs. Palmar must have been the owner of the book, because he mentioned this earlier, but nobody really paid attention.

Welp, it's getting hot in here, so I'm going to take this thing off.

*takes mask off*

AMERICA!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 19 2012 00:08 GMT
#1563
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2012 09:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
[image loading]
The Ravings of a Supressed VisceraEyes


Kurumi, layabout, Zealos, Foolishness, Meapak_Ziphh, syllogism

In order from who should be dead to who I'd be least comfortable lynching.

Kurumi is as good as dead, so I'm not gonna say much. He's our best lynch tomorrow if he lives the night. I will say however that given his new lease on life, he's not doing much in the way of scum hunting and appears more interested in discrediting those who are and sowing doubt.

layabout is still doing very little. He's subdued and not actively engaging people as I'd expect him to do. His comeback post

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 18 2012 10:35 layabout wrote:
Not game relevant:

I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution.

In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try.

After i die i will bugger off.



I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo.

Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town.
##vote gonzaw

I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint.



Reads mostly like an Appeal to Emotion. Like…why not /out of the game if "something snapped last game"? Rather than stay /in to the game and do fuck-all? I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. Also he says that he's voting for Gonzaw because "He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint" but fails to elaborate on how or why other than "I'm not sure how he can think that both Foolishness and syllogism are scum"…which is funny because at this point that's where I'm at too.

Zealos is playing very much like he did in MTG (I think?). I thought he was scum then for many of the same things I'm witnessing this game: lurking, not contributing, not caring about the lynch. I'd really like some of his thoughts in general, but he seems pigeonholed into posting about what's happening currently…which in my experience is a scum-tell (damage-control, attempting to look contributory, etc.) Also he appeals to emotion here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2012 05:25 Zealos wrote:
Well this is a fun game to play :3



Nothing major or concrete - just my read.

Foolishness is on my radar. He's not really contributing much. He's sitting back and casting doubt on anyone who's suspicious of him. It reminds me heavily of the play of BC in Storm. He's not a credible lynch for tomorrow, but keep eyes on the Foolish one.

syllogism is pinging my scumdar mainly because of his read on Palmar. I've got a pretty hefty town-read on Palmar, mainly based on his reads. However, the fact that syllo has a scum read on one of my town reads isn't really the core of the issue. The core is the fact that it's SYLLOGISM and he's basing his read on TONE AND ATTITUDE.

Syllo is logical to a fault (look at his fucking name!) He says that in spite of agreeing with a lot of the content Palmar puts out, he thinks he's scum based on tone and attitude. Further, he doesn't even really say WHAT ABOUT Palmar's attitude/tone is indicative of scum.

MZ is scummy. Isn't contributing much and is conveniently absent for the lynch (iirc...I might be wrong as I wasn't here for the latter part.) My weakest read but one of Palmar's strongest...which warrants his name being in red since we agree at least.



Good sir, you had me very excited for a moment. I thought that this was a day-post full of delicious red.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 19 2012 00:46 GMT
#1607
##Vote: Kurumi
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 20 2012 06:13 GMT
#2087
Hello my co-workers. Please forgive my absence, thing have been quite busy in RL, I've been taking care of an ailing grandfather, and thought that I would have more time, but things have picked up as of late. I will contribute when I can, but it's not going to be much for a while.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 20 2012 07:47 GMT
#2107
A few things I'd like to point out:

There are (were) 27 people in this game. There are two regular sources of death: Lynch, and the Mafia KP. With no other KP it would take 4 perfect lynches, and 5 self-kills from the mafia for town to win in the shortest amount of time. That would still be a Day 6 victory. The shortest amount of time that the mafia could win in is Day 7, if I ran the numbers right.

That's a really really long game, considering it will almost certainly not be a perfect victory from either side (We already no-lynched also, so that doesn't help). What I'm trying to point out here, is that unless the mods decided to make a really really really long game, we are missing a LOT of KP.

While I opposed Kurumi being shot (initially), the rest of the town was fairly vocal about wanting him shot. But he wasn't. I don't think the mafia has a medic given the KP situation we have, and most vigs are oneshot, and claim after shooting? (Still not sure about that.

Anyways, I feel like we're missing a ton of information (like vets who have taken a hit, vigs who made a shot). Isn't it standard to claim those things?




Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 20 2012 07:56 GMT
#2109
As far as suspects, I can say before I sleep that Foolishness's play strikes me as...hidden. I feel like he's got a lot more going on than he's saying all at once, and that more or less agrees with what I know of him from his town play. Definetly not his lurk till day three then rape, but it doesn't strike me as scum. Either way not conclusive, and all around a bad lynch.

GGQ still reads scum to me, though there really hasn't been much change to what he's done since I last mentioned that.

Blazinghand looks like scum, with the exception of the amount of effort that he's putting into posting. (even if a lot of it isn't helpful)

If I were around tomorrow, I would push GGQ, but I'm not going to be. I agree with most of what has been said about Layabout and Zealos, and would vote for them if GGQ wasn't an option.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 20 2012 16:22 GMT
#2178
Am I missing something or did Mr Murray say that he also steals the power of the person he votes for? If so, that makes him more or less a role - checker... Why not have him steal sandroba's vote, and see if he gets a messaging power?

Or does that not count as a thread action? (Which, now that I think about it, seems likely)

BM, what kind of information do you receive when you steal someone's power? How do you know what power they have?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#2704
Good day, fellow workers,

I see you have fared quite well in my absence. You are to be commended. As Mr. Murray said, my vote has been stolen. It seems we have a mass of claims. Very interesting, everyone wants to take credit for killing of The "meany head" Fool. To be honest, I don't blame them, I would want to participate in that glorious act too, so that I may also be recorded in the annals of the Kings of Chez, as the man who helped bring down the pillar of injustice! But alas, I fear I can claim no such act.

Of course, not everyone could have killed The Fool, so we must be careful to weed out those who would use this to further their own bureaucratic goals... I must admit that I am a little confused. Did the Risky Nuke actually claim to have shot The Fool also? Or was he just being silly.

As I was reading through the newspaper the other day, I realized that i had locked my keys in my car, and when I went to go get them, I accidentally bumped my head on the glass of the car door. It hurt a lot, but suddenly I realized something! If The Fool was the CEO, and knew that when he died people would look at who he pressured, what would he do? Would he live up to his name, or would he set up fake reads??? Was his pressure in the past present a defense for the present future? Was he pressuring people in the present future by defending them in the past present? Chezinu! What is your council?


Regardless, it would seem that things for the Brown Revolution are coming along swimmingly, but we still need your help, Minonz! You must Revolt for us to begin the earnest Rebuilding! Revolt against your overlords! Your CEO has been removed, quickly, now while they are still unorganized!


Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#2705
On July 23 2012 04:59 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 04:58 syllogism wrote:
Actually I copy pasted

If you aren't saying what I thought you were saying, then I'm not quite sure what you are saying

awww, I thought you would click the silly!


I clicked the silly. >_>
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 23 2012 20:57 GMT
#2866
Baa baa black sheep, have you any votes?
Yessir, three scum, have found a scape-goat.

What if a scum voted someone and everyone sheeped him? If sandroba jumped off a cliff would you follow him?

Once upon a time, there was a sheep who never gave opinions. The town lynched him then continued on to victory because they were able to hold people accountable for their votes!

But what am I saying. Those are just fairy tales.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 23 2012 20:58 GMT
#2867
On July 24 2012 05:52 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 05:45 supersoft wrote:
good god you have 11 filterpages of trash.

I got 12 pages of filter!

<3

And they are delicious!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 24 2012 13:42 GMT
#3053
Hello again, you lovely bunch of people! I regret to inform you that I will be flying out today, to a location which I am told has no internet... I disbelieve this assessment, but nonetheless I will not have a computer, or time to play any more. I will do my best to give you the only thing I have left: my count as a townie. I will post and vote to avoid modkill, but I will likely not be able to read anything, or make intelligent votes. As my last act before turning into a carrot-like vegetable, i will urge you to listen to King Chez, and follow in his wise footsteps. Viva la brown revolution!

Q out.

P.S., Phone post from airport, yes i already asked for replacement. Don't know if they will allow it though. gl, hf, dd.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 25 2012 03:51 GMT
#3256
mod-kill avoiding post...

I would also like to point out the fact that Chezinu, Bill Murray, and Viscera Eyes are all leading town discussion. What has happened to TLMafia?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 26 2012 22:34 GMT
#3731
Modkill avoidance post. Who am I voting?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 26 2012 22:47 GMT
#3746
On July 24 2012 05:45 Protactinium wrote:
Stop it now. Seriously, this is your last warning. No more flaming.

Please. He's already given two "last" warnings. Besides which it's bad for the game, in both an internal and external sense.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 28 2012 03:16 GMT
#4028
In before modkill. Who am I voting?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 28 2012 03:52 GMT
#4030
Request to be notified by PM when I am killed since I will likely miss it in thread, and I'd rather not post dead.

Sorry guys, turns out there isn't any internet here. It's a summer cabin in the middle.of nowhere. I go into town most days briefly, so I can post these.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 01:09 GMT
#4232
Mod kill avoidance post. I assume I'm voting risk?

A word in defense of myself: what would I gain from crumbing mole? Everyone wanted the mole dead, so where would the gain be in cruming something like that.

Regardless, I'd just like to point out that this is the perfect opportunity to start a true brown revolution... Chezinu! Lead us!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 01:13 GMT
#4235
lol, legitimate coincidence. It was the best theme-based name I could come up with for third party.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 02:24 GMT
#4250
On July 31 2012 10:49 Katina wrote:
Probulous should get warned for doing that.

The rest of us should probably be warned for making this game boring by not doing stuff like that...

Also, should Risk flip scum, I just want to say SWEET REVENGE FOR KILLING BILL, MEANYHEAD! HE WAS MY FRIEND!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 14:37 GMT
#4268
Nooooo! Chezinu! Save me! Not for my sake, but that The House may rise out of the ashes of this brutal conflict! I don't know what power Bill was given upon his entrance, but the killing power has already been given out, so perhaps the healing kit is out by now too? Quickly! We must work quickly to use the heal to save the last hope of Chezinu house this age!

The rest of you, listen!

We are at an epoch in TL Mafia history! The Chezinu house has been straining to rise for many months now, but has failed because it has need led by lesser men than Chezinu, or has been only a uniting of Green or Red powers alone, but not this day! This day we have all the elements needed for a glorious rise under a banner, not red or green, but Brown, in all it's resplendently wonderful Brownness!

Rise brothers, your Red counterpart has offered has his hand. Will you cut off the hand of friendship and unity? Or will you accept this, then next evolution of Mafia, a age of Brown!

The time for rebelling and revolting is over, now is the time for reuniting with each other, and resurrecting the grand House Chezinu!

Rebuild! Reunite! Resurrect!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 17:21 GMT
#4276
If not me, listen to the cry of your friend Chezinu! Don't just stand there and pretend lime this is a joke! We have a real opportunity to do something big here!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 17:34 GMT
#4282
I'm a bossy employee, under the command of Chezinu. He told me not to claim till the end, so here I am.

I didn't use my power much, but when I did, I used it for awesome. In case it's not obvious, I sent wbg his pm, also the lonely PM. Other than that, I've used it to send things to various players to test their reactions.

Layabout was given a fake invention, which he didn't mention. He died shortly after though, so i never really had a chance to do much with what I learned.

I messages ViceraEyes something that would appear to be mafia telling him they would kill him that night, and afaik, he never mentioned it, though i easily could have missed it.

I've communicated with Chez a bit, some of which has been outed, some of which hasn't.

I might have missed something, but I doubt it.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 17:44 GMT
#4286
I am under the command of Chezinu every game I play. It's not game specific.

The post in which I posted about America, to my chagrin, is actually just as much of a coincidence as my post about a mole. I said America, because I like emulating certain people, in that case, I wanted to make flamewheel my cat. Nothing was intended beyond that, though I'm laughing right now because it really does look like I know a lot of the hidden roles.

I really wasn't trying to crumb anything in there.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 17:46 GMT
#4287
On August 01 2012 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
I received no such message.


This is what I sent:

"Your theories are bad.
...
And you should feel bad.

Good bye, old friend."
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 17:51 GMT
#4290
Goodbye, old friend?

That's a classic bad guy telling his friend from childhood that he's about to kill him line. Seriously! How can you not get 'i'm going to kill you now ' from 'Goodbye'?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 17:53 GMT
#4291
Was bored and wanted to use my power, but didn't have anything to say, and wanted to hear from Chez again, cause he hadn't messaged me in a while.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 17:55 GMT
#4292
Also, sorry, I have to leave this place now, I'll try to get back to internet territory soon though.

I'll answer any questions you have then.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 18:20 GMT
#4303
Syllo is third party bullet proof, lol. That's why he doesn't want to claim. How is this not obvious to anyone else.

He still hasn't said how he survived that hit. (And nobody died last night, after he taunted the mafia by saying "I'll finally live to the end as town). Surprised mafia fell for that, tbh, cause that was my first thought after seeing him post that. (that he was trying to get hit)

You've already won against mafia, obviously, aren't you the least the it curious about his role?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 18:24 GMT
#4305
Lol, you underestimate my plans. I reach beyond any mortal victory.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 20:14 GMT
#4331
While I think mafia played poorly, myself very much included, I feel like having a long drawn out game benefited town a lot. Our tactic of Chaos would never have worked out in the long run because town would have so much time to look through it all. I mean, the game lasted 7 days with almost perfect lynching from town. That seems too long to me.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 20:16 GMT
#4334
Ebwodp: also, there were a lot of info/disinfo roles which in a long game are really really powerful.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 20:23 GMT
#4339
On August 01 2012 05:20 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 05:10 Ver wrote:
Btw a big thanks to qatol/dreamflower for helping us host when me and incognito had to be away for the day!

Day? Last I checked Incognito went on vacation a week ago and you've only been around off and on since then. -_-


Consider it punishment for not playing. :-\

But really, thanks big Q.
-little q
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2012 23:34 GMT
#4374
Without repeating what BC said too much...what he said.

Sandroba played brilliantly by immediately outing the fact that he had a PM power like that, because it immediately sew distrust in our communication, crippling our ability to communicate. (ok, maybe not cripple, but definitely making it harder.)

Anyways, I don't like QQing, so I'll stop. Congrats town, you did play well, and I must say, VE, your play has come a long way. Chezinu, you were the genius I've always known you to be, and Bill Murray, lol, you're funny.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
August 01 2012 18:05 GMT
#4443
Should have tried to get people to think it was a police radio. Give like, one or two checks to clear one guy, or incriminate another. Give a red check on someone to bus them, then a green check on yourself to confirm yourself as town. Would have bee. Fairly believable because a DT check on someone who is highly suspected is totally normal, and it works out nicely because you bus someone who is already likely to die, and will certainly flip soon after your broadcast. His flip will confirm the legitimacy of the police radioish role.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
August 02 2012 01:24 GMT
#4449
On August 02 2012 04:01 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 03:05 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Should have tried to get people to think it was a police radio. Give like, one or two checks to clear one guy, or incriminate another. Give a red check on someone to bus them, then a green check on yourself to confirm yourself as town. Would have bee. Fairly believable because a DT check on someone who is highly suspected is totally normal, and it works out nicely because you bus someone who is already likely to die, and will certainly flip soon after your broadcast. His flip will confirm the legitimacy of the police radioish role.

Read what I said.

This would have worked regardless. Even if the clearing hadn't, it would have cost the town a ton of useless discussion which could have never been traced back to you because of wifom. The fact that it had to be stated with "a message from the broadcaster" could have been worked around. All of my PM's had the subject "Order", and I worked around that with both my fake invention, and my fake chez house PM.

But regardless of anything, it could have been used to create significant chaos.

@prob (cause quoting on my phone is a pain), I'm not going to say, but I know at least a few people have figured it out. Surprised the rest of you haven't. With the possible exception of you, who I don't remember playing with.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
August 10 2012 15:40 GMT
#4503
On August 04 2012 00:47 Palmar wrote:
I'm never going to be the guy who secures the win in the end for my scumteam, If it's day three and I haven't killed scum yet I need to be hanged.


And thus the smurf was born.
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