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Blazinghand
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On July 19 2012 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you? Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip. You are making this so easy. I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me? ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. LOL WUT LOL "an influential town player" Kurumi at that time? Are you fucking kidding me? Kurumi was caught scum and was self-destructing, and I figured on the off chance he was town I'd give him some advice on what to do before he died so that after the flip he'd look good. Are you even paying attention? Kurumi? Did you read the thread? Come on, man, there's tons of evidence against me, tons of qutoes you could use, and you used THAT ONE? Did you just quote a random post from me or what? Put some serious effort in. It's not THAT HARD. LOL
On July 19 2012 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:44 HiroPro wrote:On July 19 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.
Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.
clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum.  Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum. I concur. I hate to OMGUS but I really can't see a town player doing what zealos did, which was to not read the thread, find someone who's a bit scummy and pressure him in a shitty way that reveals unwittingly that he hasn't been reading the thread at all. At first I just couldn't stop laughing at how bad it was, but it's just super clear Zealos is scum, so he'll have my vote come daybreak.
Case basically writes itself.
Much kudos to HiroPro for staying on Zealos this whole time. Zealos should be the D3 lynch imo
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Blazinghand
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Like, I wish I could write MORE on Zealos, but his strategy this entire game has been to never post except to show up and call things "odd" and "weird" and then dissappear and lurk more. His attack on me is scummy as dicks, and then this:
On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb,
like, what? What about kurumi, what about making a real case, what about checking in on things or being remotely helpful?
This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation.
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When I was going through layabout's posts something hit me.
I don't care about layabout.
I care about guys who are long enough here to be granted important roles. Be it theorycrafting or whatever, if there's a game where roles will be rigged - this is it. Thus, I will only focus on vets/good players. I am only searching for 4 scum players.
Veterans:
RebirthOfLegend (dead, town)
Foolishness - semi-active
GGQ - inactive
Bill Murray - inactive, claimed Politician
Meapak_Ziphh - active
Chezinu (eeeeee I am going to say town on this one) active-trolling
Good players:
sandroba (alive but all looks like he is town) active, claimed Guy-Who-Sends-Messages
Palmar - semi-active
wherebugsgo (dead, town)
syllogism - active
VisceraEyes - semi active
(Katina?) - active
Semi-active and inactive guys get a priority.
Does that make sense for any of you guys? Should I pursue that kind of thing? I find it unlikely for Zealos to be for example, President of Marketing. We're on Day 2 and we've had a lot of interactions between those guys already. Most notable one are probably Katina versus Foolishness, Foolishness versus Bill Murray and Palmar versus Foolishness also Sandroba versus Foolishness?
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Blazinghand
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On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you.
Just as an aside, it's okay if you think I'm a bit scummy, just check out Zealos-- he's clearly Captain Scummer McScummy of HMS Scummytowne. He needs to be lynched tomorrow and there's now two ways around it. I promise it won't take long, his filter is short.
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naw we lynch Foolish tomorrow and take out one of the big big waffles
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On July 20 2012 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you. Just as an aside, it's okay if you think I'm a bit scummy, just check out Zealos-- he's clearly Captain Scummer McScummy of HMS Scummytowne. He needs to be lynched tomorrow and there's now two ways around it. I promise it won't take long, his filter is short.
idk what to think about you anymore blazinghand, I had expected you to quietly slip away once the pressure was off of you but instead you've stuck around which is definitely points in your favor. You still may be scum but at this point there are a lot of people I'd rather lynch ahead of you.
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Blazinghand
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On July 20 2012 04:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you. Just as an aside, it's okay if you think I'm a bit scummy, just check out Zealos-- he's clearly Captain Scummer McScummy of HMS Scummytowne. He needs to be lynched tomorrow and there's now two ways around it. I promise it won't take long, his filter is short. idk what to think about you anymore blazinghand, I had expected you to quietly slip away once the pressure was off of you but instead you've stuck around which is definitely points in your favor. You still may be scum but at this point there are a lot of people I'd rather lynch ahead of you.
Excellent! I'll keep on hunting scum, and as long as I can find them fast enough I'll never get mislynched. I'm like a one of this hogs that are used to farm for truffles, except I know that if I don't find enough truffles I'll be turned into bacon instead!
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Meapak, I have no idea why you'd ever expect BH to quietly slip away.
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Blazinghand
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I'm a player who's notorious for posting very little, so I get how he'd think I'd do so.
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On July 20 2012 04:54 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm a player who's notorious for posting very little, so I get how he'd think I'd do so.
yeah... it's just such a lazy way of thinking :/ BH, a player who posts a lot pretty much all the time, has suspicion on him and manages to avoid the lynch... practically the thing that would confirm BH as scum was if he disappeared at that stage. BH isn't stupid and knows this.
Why doesn't meapak??
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MZ's case is bad. Most of what he's calling rasta out on is non-alignment indicative and mostly what he's guitly of himself...particularly in regard to the D1 lynch.
My read of MZ is not affected by his case marv. I looked at his case and most of it looked thrown together...for instance, he calls out rasta for "setup speculation" but considering he came in a little later than most, it doesn't seem fair to call him scum for weighing in on this stuff...just because it doesn't matter to MZ doesn't mean it doesn't matter to anyone else. And he doesn't even like...go on and on about it either, just succinctly gives his opinions.
MZ, what was the purpose of your case on rastaban? Do you think he has a high probability of flipping Executive?
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Rasta had a good point in asking me what he did about RL too - like, I've gone on record stating my stance on D1 lynches...and I have a fair amount of confidence in my D1 reads. He was absolutely right to question the ease at which I relinquish control of the D
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1 lynch.
Sorry about the triple post, I'm typing fast so my boss don't see >.> <.<
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well, we seem to have had rather different opinions of the case then ^^
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Do tell. For instance, many of the vets have spent the entire game speculating about the setup - how is that any less indicative of them being scum? The fact is this game has interesting mechanics and everyone understanding them is going to work in town's favor.
What in particular did you agree with in MZ's case marv?
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On July 19 2012 21:01 marvellosity wrote:
I'd like to give this some love. I started off reading it sceptically but at the end I was down with it. Meapak demonstrates in rastaban what I would classify as the classic mafia mindset in this setup - not rocking the boat, going with the flow, not drawing attention to yourself with dissent. rastaban this game is classic mafia.
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So...nothing in particular? Just a reitteration of your previous non-informative summary?
Son, I am disappoint.
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Are you purposefully being stupid?
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GGQ
I am very confident that GGQ is scum. His filter is not even one page long. (Actually 5 in-game posts.)
"How can you say anything about the guy then, Kurumi?"
Some of you have pointed out that Mafia's biggest objective is to survive. You can do it vanilla style - try to blend in during the discussion. You can do it lurker style - just avoid the fire and appear when everything's a little more silent... There's always false townie style, where you basically try to forget about your role and go with the flow while trying to keep in mind who's good target and who's not. As we've seen so far, being a lurker in this game is a GREAT option. We've been attacking each other like mad. If it wasn't an in-game attack, it was an attack on person her/himself.
We've got a good player lurking like mad for no reason. It's already Day 2. If he was really occupied, guess what - he'd get replaced, just like two guys already, but he has no reason to ask for one.
When I call him out that he is actively lurking(I am going to count how much it takes you to respond to this GGQ by the way)
On July 17 2012 03:36 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:27 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1. Why are you active lurking? wtf are you talking about?
How does that answer sound to you? It's strict denial. He sees nothing wrong with his play. He feels no guilt. Why would he?
There's a post by him in this quote too. He shares... a little of his knowledge... HE HAS PLAYED TWO DAMN SLEEPER CELL GAMES. Everything he has to tell us is that Mafia do whatever they please on Day 1. Solid advice here man.
On July 17 2012 03:42 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:13 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there. cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town That's bullshit and you know it lol. you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum Actually I'm playing smart and waiting until I have a solid case before I go after someone. In contrast, you have your idiotic crusade against katina and that's it. Discussion should be currently centered around Palmar for his inability/refusal to play. BH should be a secondary consideration for his random wild play. And of course I still haven't forgot chez and the smurf, I'm interested to see if they start playing as well. This may come as a shock but it's not always a good idea to shit up the thread with random cases. My lack of a formal "case" is way better than your little spat with Katina. What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now. ##vote blazinghand
He tries to shift focus off from Palmar. He is defending him telling people that Palmar is just like that. That's what Palmar should've probably said, right? Look at how this post ends "has never changed him before and it won't now" it's a decisive NO. And this BH vote. He did explain it, right?
On July 18 2012 11:24 GGQ wrote:
Why did I vote BH without mentioning even a single word about him? To see what would happen, of course!
Most people's responses were good; just asking me why or making little noises of disgust. The only one who tried to construe it as scummy was Austin the squirming mafia.
Why did I vote BH at all? Because he was being active and throwing his vote around without doing anything and seemed very concerned with his own activity, as if it was justifying something. I believed and still believe he is scum.
I get very bad vibes from HiroPro. His posts all feel like he's just putting in his time.
There's a bunch of other possible mafias in my mind, but another day another noose.
The case on gonzaw feels weaker than the one on austin to me. I prefer to lynch BH or austinmcc, but I'll switch before deadline if it's necessary to get a lynch.
TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? Sounds like someone doesn't freaking care about the lynch?
Wait, he does care, look at the last line!
Why would a person with no thread presence try to defend Palmar? GGQ has NEVER said anything about Palmar. Never EVER.
If you were searching for a guy trying to survive - here you go. Why would you lurk as Town in this game? With 1KP, Mafia has little power to do anything to stop you from acting. Sure, they might have roleblockers, maybe politicians or anti-nukers, but it's the cases which should win games.
Palmar and Bill Murray are playing similar style, where they mostly post one-liners or troll material. Palmar just now started pushing layabout hard (without proper case, just some meta to back it up).
GGQ has a lot of knowledge. It is Day 2 and he hasn't shared ANY of it. He is denying us information. No cases made, no activity in the thread, NOTHING. He is trying for his survival. If he comes guns blazing at any point in the game... I think you'll get it that he's scum.
I am voting GGQ.
##vote GGQ
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Blazinghand
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Looks like a Reverse Bus. Town Kurumi would have done anything to help during D1, anything at all, instead of whining, disrupting thread and bailing.
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