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On August 01 2012 06:14 supersoft wrote:
I also thought that BH role was bugged and he dies if he hits scum, is that correct? Was it a typo? I figured it was correct and just gave scum the option of either trading 1 for 1 if needed, or letting BH snipe a few consensus scum players and gain town cred.
I know I would have had a hard time believing BH was a multi-shot scum vig, no matter how he played.
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On August 01 2012 07:32 gonzaw wrote:
Those 2 snoops are very strong though >_>
Like someone said, if they check an executive or minion-who-received-message on D1 they could out like 2-3 scum (depending on the message), and scum have almost no way to prevent that since they don't know any of the town roles in the game.
Considering how many "obvious mafia" (layabout, Palmar, BH, sloosh, etc) were around, I didn't think there's be a "snoop" or something like that around since they would have checked one of them and outed their PMs already, and not get something on N4.
I bought too hard into the "DTs check people who will be around later and you're going to want to know their alignment" mentality, so I avoided anyone I thought was going to get lynched. In hindsight, that was a particularly bad idea, because even when we had 2-3 clear candidates for a lynch I chose not to check any of them, fearing chance.
Also, lol dem <_<s. I was reasonably sure you sent that because of the sender saying everyone thought him mafia, but those faces just confirmed it. If you'd been sending messages like that all along, you were getting to freely out yourself to every minion that noticed.
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Just because it came up in the ban thread, but I figured it should be put here, the PMs in this game were ... difficult not to game? I had to really hold back from posting more PM-related stuff after the PM business with rasta.
If anyone really looked at the mirror flips, town and mafia power roles that did the same thing had different names and different text. That's why I wanted Kurumi's flip, to compare to Layabout. Kurumi/Layabout had different role names and text, WBG/Palmar the same.
Besides that, every fakeclaim that we saw scum have was VT, which may have disadvantaged them a little. In effect, we couldn't be sure, but had decent support for the idea that, if any two people had the same power role name, they were both town. I figured rasta was town based on that, and that both VE/Probulous were as well. Mafia mirrors should have had different role names and text, and we had no evidence that scum had knowledge of roles outside of VT.
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On August 01 2012 10:10 gonzaw wrote:Again: Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 07:54 Probulous wrote:
PM Cops are irrelevant. Think about it, the people who the PM cops checked were all playing like mafia. The PM cop is the same as any other cop in that if you are playing with clarity they shouldn't check you. That "PM Cop" outed three scum when he caught my message. It's not "irrelevant" if he can catch more than 1 scum with a "check", or can know all about scum's strategies (even if he outs only 1 scum). 2 were caught by the snooping, Q-bert-Z was caught by his own posting. I agree that the role was strong, but we were also lucky in that I never caught a town message. Like, see rasta outing himself because of the double Chez message. Seemed like we would very well might have lynched Chez the next day, outing a nosy employee AND lynching a townie, just because of the town messaging roles. Honestly, in 8 checks we caught 1 scum message between the two of us. Had we caught a few town, especially town messages that were trying to fake mafia instructions...could have led to a couple easy mislynches and the outing of a few power roles. Just didn't play out that way.
On August 01 2012 10:14 gonzaw wrote:Also damn. I keep looking at the scum team, and if the game hadn't started yet I'd say the scum team would win Also lol Zealos not only was "caught" yet was actually acting scummy. I can't believe how people didn't lynch him. Even I thought he was scum until like D4, how the hell did you guys figure out he was town?  Zealos didn't look lovely, but he was so entirely uninvested in the game before that message, and remained so entirely uninvested afterwards, that he didn't feel like a better lynch than other options. Plus, once mafia started flipping, they'd ALL been pushing Zealos. Made it really easy not to lynch the guy when every scum wanted him lynched.
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On August 01 2012 10:37 gonzaw wrote:
Couldn't you say the same thing about sloosh?
I mean, his claim didn't "make sense from a scum perspective" either (was just bad), and his play wasn't that incriminating (compared to Zealos at least).
Yet Zealos was never considered as lynch at all yet sloosh was always "almost confirmed scum" ever since he claimed.
Of course, unless I'm missing something that made people think "Zealos is town" and "sloosh is scum" that didn't have anything to do with their "dumb claims/reactions". At least in my mind, some major differences were that Zealos claimed VT, while slOosh claimed to have a sort of odd delay mechanic and have shot the CEO. Easier to think the disinterested guy is a VT than the vig who shot the CEO on questionable reasoning that had never been presented in thread.
Also, again, as the game wore on, people that flipped scum had pushed Zealos. Nobody had really been talking about slOosh from what I remember.
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On August 01 2012 10:50 Probulous wrote:
BTW I was tossing up between lynching you or layabout for my kingmaker hit. Both fo coming out of nowhere having done nothing of substance and then suddenly defending Palmar who had also done minimal work just screamed mafia to me. Would have been interesting to see how the game played out had you gone for gonzaw.
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On August 02 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:03 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 01 2012 23:44 Katina wrote:
WOOOOOO!!!!! WE ARE VICTORIOUS! I WASN'T MISLYNCHED!!! Hey good game madame. I know syllogism thought you were scum, but I think you did an okay job of establishing your innocence and a really good job of finding scum. ^^ Katina has ridiculously good scum instincts. I find it quite unfair.
Step 1: Put your pants on your head
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Find scum, guaranteed
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If you want to go crazy with it, there might be some synergies between Broadcaster and the scum messenger role? Not entirely sure if it'd work, but there could be options like PMing ... say Chez here, when he thought there were 3 town messengers. PM him saying you're with a third party, and to watch the day message for more information, confirm the PM via day message and try to get him working on some side agenda? There have to be simpler ways to use the two together, but nothing comes to mind immediately.
Could have also used for just...general time wasting? When slOosh posted mafia PMs, people went slogging through to find anyone who'd used the term chaos. Can just mess with everyone's heads by asking mafia members to use certain words, or to disregard PMs that said to use a certain word, etc. Even if we know the broadcasts are from mafia and are misleading, SOMEONE is going to spend the time and effort to look back through all those pages of D1 and D2 trying to find information.
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