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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 19 2012 00:06 GMT
#1561
On July 19 2012 08:50 Chezinu wrote:
Before I die, I will like for everyone to know that you should read my posts. In them contains the answer that you will want to seek. That is all.

On July 16 2012 18:56 Chezinu wrote:
8. Bill Murray

3. Sandroba
6. Foolishness
7. VisceraEyes
10. Meapak_Ziphh
13. Wherebugsgo
16. GGQ
19. Kurumi I am blue. - Kurumi
20. rastaban
25. RebirthofLegend
26. Palmar
27. Mandalor

4. Probulous
15. syllogism
17. Blazinghand


1. layabout
2. EchelonTee
5. HiroPro
9. Gonzaw
11. Supersoft
12. austinmcc

14. Katina
21. Mattchew
22. marvellosity
23. risk.nuke

24. Q-bert-Z

What I got so far..

~ mad detective
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:06 GMT
#1562
VE if that is what your details post was about I am really disapointed.

In your own words you said that there were things that "jumped out at you" but there is nothing in that post that jumps out at me. In fact most of it is about stuff that happened after that post.

What jumped out you man?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 19 2012 00:08 GMT
#1563
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2012 09:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
[image loading]
The Ravings of a Supressed VisceraEyes


Kurumi, layabout, Zealos, Foolishness, Meapak_Ziphh, syllogism

In order from who should be dead to who I'd be least comfortable lynching.

Kurumi is as good as dead, so I'm not gonna say much. He's our best lynch tomorrow if he lives the night. I will say however that given his new lease on life, he's not doing much in the way of scum hunting and appears more interested in discrediting those who are and sowing doubt.

layabout is still doing very little. He's subdued and not actively engaging people as I'd expect him to do. His comeback post

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 18 2012 10:35 layabout wrote:
Not game relevant:

I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution.

In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try.

After i die i will bugger off.



I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo.

Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town.
##vote gonzaw

I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint.



Reads mostly like an Appeal to Emotion. Like…why not /out of the game if "something snapped last game"? Rather than stay /in to the game and do fuck-all? I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. Also he says that he's voting for Gonzaw because "He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint" but fails to elaborate on how or why other than "I'm not sure how he can think that both Foolishness and syllogism are scum"…which is funny because at this point that's where I'm at too.

Zealos is playing very much like he did in MTG (I think?). I thought he was scum then for many of the same things I'm witnessing this game: lurking, not contributing, not caring about the lynch. I'd really like some of his thoughts in general, but he seems pigeonholed into posting about what's happening currently…which in my experience is a scum-tell (damage-control, attempting to look contributory, etc.) Also he appeals to emotion here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2012 05:25 Zealos wrote:
Well this is a fun game to play :3



Nothing major or concrete - just my read.

Foolishness is on my radar. He's not really contributing much. He's sitting back and casting doubt on anyone who's suspicious of him. It reminds me heavily of the play of BC in Storm. He's not a credible lynch for tomorrow, but keep eyes on the Foolish one.

syllogism is pinging my scumdar mainly because of his read on Palmar. I've got a pretty hefty town-read on Palmar, mainly based on his reads. However, the fact that syllo has a scum read on one of my town reads isn't really the core of the issue. The core is the fact that it's SYLLOGISM and he's basing his read on TONE AND ATTITUDE.

Syllo is logical to a fault (look at his fucking name!) He says that in spite of agreeing with a lot of the content Palmar puts out, he thinks he's scum based on tone and attitude. Further, he doesn't even really say WHAT ABOUT Palmar's attitude/tone is indicative of scum.

MZ is scummy. Isn't contributing much and is conveniently absent for the lynch (iirc...I might be wrong as I wasn't here for the latter part.) My weakest read but one of Palmar's strongest...which warrants his name being in red since we agree at least.



Good sir, you had me very excited for a moment. I thought that this was a day-post full of delicious red.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#1564
Do the accusations agaisnt zealos go beyond him not reading properly, contradicting himself and deciding to do something that will hurt town?

I would like to add that as a town replacement he didn't read very thoroughly in Bang Bang 2, he shot after expressing that he wouldn't earlier on and he committed to shooting early when doing so only hurt town's interests.

+ Show Spoiler [Bitter? who is bitter?] +

On June 20 2012 06:40 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 04:51 Zealos wrote:
Dirkzor - Town
Zealos - Town
layabout - Unsure
Kenpachi - ???
RebirthOfLegend - Town
MrZentor - Leaning Town
Toadesstern - Town

I want to see Ken shoot layabout or MrZentor. Thoughts?


Why did you just post a list that shows the varying degrees to which you think players are town at night?

Why do you provide no explanations whatsoever?

Why have you not formed a coherent stance on me?

Why are you willing to let Mr. zentor die when you have 4 town reads you are leaning town on Mr Zentor and you are unsure about 2 players?

Need i point out that there are only two anti-town players left?

I think that zealos should shoot kenpachi.

Also no shooting early on! People (should) have stuff to post.

+ Show Spoiler +
*glares at everyone with contempt*



On June 20 2012 07:11 Zealos wrote:
I'm not shooting unless someone plans to shoot me, otherwise I waste the information I can gain from seeing who can shoot.
I would prefer Ken to shoot you laya, obviously, but if the rest of the town is strongly for a zentor kill, then that can work too. With only 3 people who I am unsure about, the shot WILL hit either the sk or mafia.



On June 21 2012 02:13 layabout wrote:
It is very important that if i am alive i have the opportunity to post tomorrow.

Please don't fuck up another game.



On June 21 2012 03:13 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 02:54 Zealos wrote:
Post now, you're dying tomorrow.

Suck my dick.

I have to wait until day to post it because posting it at night would be harmful to town.

There is no reason for town to shoot before i get back to the thread and have a chance to post. Tomorrow may be lylo and an early shot is a less informed shot.

The only two people that have expressed a desire for me to die are zealos and kenpachi.

The reasons zealos has given are defensible from his standpoint (except that he doesn't explain any of his town reads and yet still offers them publicly) and kenpachi has told us that i am scummy.



On June 21 2012 03:23 MrZentor wrote:
Yeah, Zealos, there's no reason for layabout to post it now, and you're a lot scummier than he is.



On June 21 2012 19:43 Zealos wrote:
If mafia shot ken then he's stupid.
##kill(##kill): layabout
If dirk isn't town then shit.



On June 21 2012 19:56 Ace wrote:
Day 6




layabout, Vanilla Towny has been shot
+ Show Spoiler [Role] +

You are a Vanilla Towny. You've had enough. No more sitting around voting on who's guilty. You've got a gun, and people will learn to listen to you or get bent. Any time during the day you may type ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread and shoot them. The day will end once you shoot. Once you have shot, you have to wait X number of days to shoot again where X is based on the total number of times you've shot during the game. So if you've shot at 2 people during the game, you have to wait 2 days before shooting again.

You win when all anti-town players are eliminated. Good luck!


It is now Night 6. Night 6 ends in 17 hours at 12:00AM ET / 13:00 KST on June 22nd.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 00:13 GMT
#1565
On July 19 2012 08:53 Katina wrote:
Mattchew

First thing that I found interesting while looking through Mattchew's filter was that he is gunning to get me killed the whole game but when the nukes start getting thrown around he decides to do that.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 11:46 Mattchew wrote:
TBH i have no idea if any of these nukes or blocks are real

like I do not knowingly have a nuke

##nuke Bill Murray


He sends the nuke on BM. It makes no sense to nuke him when he hasn't said a word about BM before this. This makes no sense if he wanted to kill me that badly.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 13:44 Mattchew wrote:
On July 17 2012 13:39 Katina wrote:
Gah, I guess his filter really doesn't have anything. Even when I compared it to past games my intuition still strongly tells me he's Mafia. My intuition hasn't let me down yet. I assure you that as soon as I can demostrate he is Mafia accurately I will.

I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself.

To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him.

I will get back to you on Foolishness.

Yeah testing nukes on someone who hasn't posted and I would normally be ok with policy lynching sure is questionable!

I've also posted reads on people like BH, MZ and others while trying to stimulate discussion and push people for their reasons, but fuck that, I have only tunneled you


Mattchew, sunk to Kurumi's level and nuked someone who hasn't posted. Furthermore policy lynches are stupid. His actions contradict each other. You have been gunning for me all game but you be willing to policy lynch a different person and nuke somone else entirely.

You have given us your reads but there is no elaboration. You said rastaban was Mafia twice but only said that was because he was looking out for himself, that's hardly a reason to call someone mafia. You did not want to kill gonzaw D1 but you didn't do anything to stop the votes from going over. Instead you sat there and watched it all happen, of course your vote got stolen but that shouldn't stop from telling everyone to vote for someone else instead.Futhermore you never commented on any of the big names in the thread. You have mentioned BH maybe once or twice, you never said anything about austin and as I said before you never talked about gonzaw for more than one post.

Looking through his filter he posts to make it look like he's doing something and contributing but in reality his posts don't say much of anything. Basically they are asking people the same "what do you think of this guy" "What do you think of this reponse" but not generating anything useful.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:07 Mattchew wrote:
On July 17 2012 13:56 Katina wrote:
On July 17 2012 13:44 Mattchew wrote:
On July 17 2012 13:39 Katina wrote:
Gah, I guess his filter really doesn't have anything. Even when I compared it to past games my intuition still strongly tells me he's Mafia. My intuition hasn't let me down yet. I assure you that as soon as I can demostrate he is Mafia accurately I will.

I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself.

To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him.

I will get back to you on Foolishness.

Yeah testing nukes on someone who hasn't posted and I would normally be ok with policy lynching sure is questionable!

I've also posted reads on people like BH, MZ and others while trying to stimulate discussion and push people for their reasons, but fuck that, I have only tunneled you


I really like how you convinently appear whenever I do. You haven't post reads on others nearly to the extent that you have on me. I would hardly call what you have been doing as generating dicussion. I think people have even forgotten that you were in the game. No one every says anything to you or about you.

Just because no one talks to me doesnt mean I'm not trying to help discussions. People probably ignore me cause foolishness says so


It seems that Mattchew is using Foolishness' credibilty to get by with not saying much. Which seemed to be working apparently.

No one is really looking at Mattchew or listening to much of what he is saying in thread. (Can't blame you) Mattchew's play has been horrid this game and I am 100% percent certain that he is Mafia.

[image loading]

A. I am always ok with killing Bill Murray (sorry broski, numbers and experience dont lie) Alignment Free Proof!

B. I didn't have a nuke so your entire case rests on a hypothetical test

C. At that point in the thread, people like sandroba, WBG, Foolishness all said I was wrong about you. I value opinions of others so why would I nuke against all of their wills?

D. You OMGUS by saying no one is discussing with me and that they shouldn't be
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#1566
On July 19 2012 09:02 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 09:00 Bill Murray wrote:
Someone could have stolen his vote


Why? That is what I am trying to work out.

Cause I wasn't on either lynch so I would be an automatic +1 (without subtracting from either side)
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 19 2012 00:16 GMT
#1567
I agree with syllo and sandro about Palmar. His play this game reminds me of Liar Game.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 19 2012 00:18 GMT
#1568
So basically Mattchew all I got from your post against what I had to say about you is a picture of an unattractive male like figure laughing at me as it zooms in on his horrid face and bad facial hair?

A. That's stupid, good way to get a townie killed. Not everyone gets a Mafia role every single game hun.

B. You still tested it is my point.

C. It's not stopping you from getting onto my back and riding me through the scorching desert.

D. I don't even know what D is suppiosed to mean.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:19 GMT
#1569
On July 19 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 09:02 Probulous wrote:
On July 19 2012 09:00 Bill Murray wrote:
Someone could have stolen his vote


Why? That is what I am trying to work out.

Cause I wasn't on either lynch so I would be an automatic +1 (without subtracting from either side)

Which does exactly what?

See, mafia gain no benefit from it. If their intention was to get a misslynch well they failed. Given they initially moved your vote onto Gonzaw who had less votes I could see them playing for a no lynch but then they move it to BH right at the deadline bringing a lynch closer, but they still failed. Why move it back?

Honestly I am starting to think that whoever used it was just trying to mess with us, so I am going to drop it.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 19 2012 00:20 GMT
#1570
When is the deadline? I want to go to bed sooner today.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 00:20 GMT
#1571
On July 19 2012 09:19 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote:
On July 19 2012 09:02 Probulous wrote:
On July 19 2012 09:00 Bill Murray wrote:
Someone could have stolen his vote


Why? That is what I am trying to work out.

Cause I wasn't on either lynch so I would be an automatic +1 (without subtracting from either side)

Which does exactly what?

See, mafia gain no benefit from it. If their intention was to get a misslynch well they failed. Given they initially moved your vote onto Gonzaw who had less votes I could see them playing for a no lynch but then they move it to BH right at the deadline bringing a lynch closer, but they still failed. Why move it back?

Honestly I am starting to think that whoever used it was just trying to mess with us, so I am going to drop it.

Thats why I suggested it could have been a townie as well
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 19 2012 00:21 GMT
#1572
On July 19 2012 09:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I agree with syllo and sandro about Palmar. His play this game reminds me of Liar Game.


Sigh... I'm the one that started the whole Palmar is Mafia thing... I would like some cake too!?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 00:22 GMT
#1573
Katina, this game you are not a "chosen one", so you do not get included in such posts.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:23 GMT
#1574
On July 19 2012 09:22 marvellosity wrote:
Katina, this game you are not a "chosen one", so you do not get included in such posts.


She is right though. She was the first on Palmar (a weak case but her intentions were clear). No need to bring her down.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 19 2012 00:23 GMT
#1575
On July 19 2012 09:22 marvellosity wrote:
Katina, this game you are not a "chosen one", so you do not get included in such posts.


That's not what my mom tells me....
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 00:24 GMT
#1576
Hey marv and prob, what do you guys make of me and katina's spat
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:24 GMT
#1577
oops I think I misinterpreted your tone their marvel...
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:25 GMT
#1578
@VisceraEyes

Are you ignoring me? Come on son, you can't post a wall of text and then disappear. People will think you are mafia.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 19 2012 00:25 GMT
#1579
I think Katina might be right on Mattchew guys. In PYP, he day-vigied deconduo (mafia CPR) 2 minutes after the day 1 post based mostly on the number picking and in this game he is unwilling to use a nuke that he may not possess on his strongest scum read?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 00:26 GMT
#1580
On July 19 2012 09:23 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 09:22 marvellosity wrote:
Katina, this game you are not a "chosen one", so you do not get included in such posts.


She is right though. She was the first on Palmar (a weak case but her intentions were clear). No need to bring her down.


You completely misunderstood the nature of my post. Vet circle agree that each other are town and credit each other for their reads, but do not include people they are suspicious of, etc. etc.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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