EPTBureaucracy Mafia! - Page 55
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:25 marvellosity wrote: no Foolishness, don't be silly. Sarcasm? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
If kurumi flips red, then either some form of this power exists, or it doesn't and this is what a bus looks like in this game. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:26 austinmcc wrote: If kurumi flips green, then kurumi had no reason to lie about receiving a message. The power exists in some form. If kurumi flips red, then either some form of this power exists, or it doesn't and this is what a bus looks like in this game. I don't see how that relates to sandroba's alignment. If Kurumi flips green then either Kurumi is stupid for going along with the message (most likely), or sandroba is scum and wrote a very convincing message in which case Kurumi was forced to post it anyways (not likely). | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
the idea is that sandroba is fakeclaiming and is scum, so only a green flip on Kurumi would clear sandroba | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
My issue is mainly that I don't think such a role exists in this game. If kurumi flips green, whether he was stupid for going along with the message or not (and I think not is out, because he would have told us if the message were something different), the message still CAME to him. My problem is that the power to send messages anonymously to anyone in this game doesn't feel right. The green flip would show that that power exists. My problems with sandro's alignment stem from not thinking the power exists and that it's a fakeclaim. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Same to Katina, Mattchew and Chez? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution. In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try. After i die i will bugger off. I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo. Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town. ##vote gonzaw I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
I would still prefer a BH lynch though. ##Unvote Blazinghand ##Vote gonzaw | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Since it's extended majority, voting for BH is probably not a great idea, even though I want to keep him on the table -_- Takes 14 to lynch, yeah? ##unvote ##vote gonzaw | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:35 Probulous wrote: @SloOsh, you still around? Same to Katina, Mattchew and Chez? here just got out a LoL game WHATUP | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 18 2012 09:00 Probulous wrote: Gonzaw He really impressed me with his play in the iGrok game when he was town but here he has been underwhelming to say the least. Compare a typical post from that game To his filter here. I mean the closest thing I can find to pushing a read, or poking, or asking a tough question or just generally being productive are his two big posts here and here. 90% of the stuff in there is just fluffy questions, even his vote reasoning is terrible Which is just a straight up parrot of what other people have said. Then he does a complete 180 to use Syllo's logic to vote for Foolishness when no-one was voting for him. He doesn't present anything knew or even poke Foolishness. He is so concerned with looking good that he doesn't bother to actually participate. This is complete contrast to the iGrok game where he actively pushed people, broke down the setup and was generally a hard ass. ##Vote: Gonzaw I knew this would happen, it's entirely my fault. Shouldn't have joined this game when I was playing 2 other ones. In iGrok's game, I was playing only one and it was a mini, you can't really compare me to that game. On July 18 2012 10:16 austinmcc wrote: I'd prefer to vote for GGQ (or Sandro), but those aren't lynch options. Gonzaw looks like the candidate on the block now, and I'm okay with a gonzaw vote Besides the other stuff that's been mentioned, here's Gonzaw giving some specific filters that he's going to read. Gonzaw comes back from reading those with: So he skimmed MZ, finds him townie. Looked at my filter, had mixed feelings, but still voted me. It feels a little off to me that he doesn't mention GGQ, the third player he was going to look at. If GGQ is such an easy target, why not add GGQ? Why not mention you found him scummy? Does Gonzaw have feelings so mixed on GGQ that he looks better than me? That's a little hard for me to believe. I'm know I'm a topic of conversation at this point, but he still finds time to mention that he read MZ and give his read on MZ. Sort of makes it seem like he didn't read. It ain't much, but it's something that stuck out to me beyond me just saying "I like non-austin targets, sheeping dat vote" ##vote: Gonzaw I haven't read GGQ's filter yet. On July 18 2012 09:16 Probulous wrote: In case you were wondering why I singled out this post, I'll explain it to you. The first bit Gonzaw explains he is confused by poor austin's behaviour. It just doesn't make sense from a town point of view but damn it is cluttering up this thread that is so hard to read. But it is alight, there are some small things that make him "unconfident" that austin is scum (like WTF?), so he doesn't think he is scum. But hey why not lynch him, right? Honestly can someone explain this sentence to me? Everything about it says Austin is town but he straight up votes for him? This is not townie Gonzaw. What do you want me to do if nobody will vote for Foolishness? There were 2 candidates, BH and austin so I had to choose the one more likely to be scum to try and avoid NL, whether I liked it or not, I couldn't do anything else since I was going away. Anyways, as far as I've read, Foolishness is scum, syllo is likely scum as well. I got a scum read from Mattchew initially but that response to my post made me change my mind, it didn't seem as aggressive as I would have expected. I don't see laya as scum at this point since he seems genuinely frustrated, but I'm not that sure. sandro+wbg+katina are town. I haven't noticed anything else, other than austin's posts but like I said I'm not too sure about him. I can't believe I'm getting lynched just because I don't have time. Once the other UG game I'm playing in and/or Can't Believe ends (or I die in them) I'll be able to devote more time to this game, but not right now. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
But you know, potato potahto. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:22 gonzaw wrote: I just skimmed these last few pages and for first impressions I have to say Foolishness post seems quite scummy since he doesn't usually start playing like that as town (that was his 1st post right?) Absolute fluff. Your just waltz in say he is scummy because you think his play is different but you don't bother to tell us how it is different or how that makes it scummy. On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote: The thing is that I get the feeling Foolishness is scum too :/ I didn't see the conviction from him in that 1st post of his. He was just babbling about lots of people in 1 or 2 sentences casting doubt all around without explaining himself one single bit. Although I kind of agree with his case on syllo, although he spends too much time focusing on "giving advice" when he hasn't done much like that in this game and has more incriminating stuff. The way he posts is not usual town Foo' either, where he tries to make sense of stuff and actually lead town. Also I would have thought Foolishness had read iGrok's game, or at least known Palmar was scum there. This is a little better but is essentially exactly what Katina wrote. Then when Foolishness follows up with a well thought out post it doesn't get a mention from you? This looks like you are trying to justify your read. On July 18 2012 04:17 gonzaw wrote: This is the kind of post I don't see town Foo' doing at all. He just mentions BH and adds some wishy-washy stuff about how he acted like this as 3rd party and concludes nothing at all. Foo' defending Palmar when Palmar was acting like a dick by saying things like "we can figure him out as scum by D3 if he has less than 6 pages of filter" is so stupid I can't believe a town Foo' would say that. I've posted about his earlier posts before. This is the best thing you have posted this game but it isn't a case. It is a single point WHICH YOU NEVER FOLLOW UP ON. Honestly you jump around unlike anything I have seen from you. Then when you do come back into the thread instead of straight up saying you are sheeping people you try and justify your vote with the worst possible logic ever. You are trying to find an excuse to vote for Austin rather than trying to find out if he is scum. You have had time. You have posted more than a few people this game, but what you have posted has been really scummy. When you had time, instead of clarifying your thoughts on Foolishness (your initial read) you jumped around without taking a stand which is completely different to how you normally play. All this points to you being scum. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter. I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2. Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/ At least I learned my lesson here. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
Most people's responses were good; just asking me why or making little noises of disgust. The only one who tried to construe it as scummy was Austin the squirming mafia. Why did I vote BH at all? Because he was being active and throwing his vote around without doing anything and seemed very concerned with his own activity, as if it was justifying something. I believed and still believe he is scum. I get very bad vibes from HiroPro. His posts all feel like he's just putting in his time. There's a bunch of other possible mafias in my mind, but another day another noose. The case on gonzaw feels weaker than the one on austin to me. I prefer to lynch BH or austinmcc, but I'll switch before deadline if it's necessary to get a lynch. | ||
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