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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 18 2012 03:20 GMT
#1121
Q-bert-Z voted Kurumi in thread but not in voting thread
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 18 2012 03:21 GMT
#1122
Zealos voted austinmcc in thread but not in voting thread
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 18 2012 03:26 GMT
#1123
I think Gonzaw is overwhelmed (not enough time) and that very much plays into why his meta would seem off. His confidence seems to be gone without being able to be the most dominant (usually by sheer volume) poster in the thread. I think this is the first time I have ever seen this little filter out of him and I think this all stems from not having enough time. I think his reactions and posts are sincere and truthful
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 18 2012 03:32 GMT
#1124
Ok here are the votes and reasons for BH based on the voting thread list
On July 18 2012 11:24 GGQ wrote:
Why did I vote BH at all? Because he was being active and throwing his vote around without doing anything and seemed very concerned with his own activity, as if it was justifying something. I believed and still believe he is scum.

How is this stronger than the Gonzaw case?
On July 17 2012 01:38 HiroPro wrote:
I agree with sandroba: BH's posting looks very artificial. His reasoning for ignoring Probulous doesn't make sense: Probulous's question is not invalid just because BH switched targets. And his logic for thinking that sandroba/syllo are scum is laughable.
##Vote Blazinghand

So he ignored me and then made up a bad reason for it? I've dropped it, so did Sandroba. If you are sheeping Sandroba why do you feel BH is a better lynch even though Sandroba does not?
On July 17 2012 15:51 Chezinu wrote:
WBG FTW!!!

Your sanity eases my mind. I've been trying to kill blazinghand since the very begining of this game. First I attempt to send a minion to kill him, but that ended up failing. Then I shoot a nuke at him, but then he blocks it. This time though, I think I can lynch him. The TimeWarper's words are ringing true. I would love to give QBZ thanks for that, . Being SILLY is Fun!

##Unvote
##Vote BlazingHand

...
Nevermind, you do your thing
On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote:
I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go.
As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake.
##vote blazinghand

BH is being bold, that is literally the reason you are voting for him? We no longer have more than 24 hrs so why is this a better case than Gonzaw?
On July 17 2012 23:03 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 22:44 Palmar wrote:
The main characteristic of a mafia player in this game is not going to be pushing an agenda or scheming, but much rather complete focus on surviving on their own. This is exactly what the random lynch plays out on, the fear of getting killed as a player.

I've been thinking about the setup and I think Palmar nails it here. Basically everyone beside 3 CEOs are uninformed majority, and even they only know a fraction of their whole team. Thus all scum will be scared of pushing / lynching / hitting each other ala shooting GGQ in sleeper II, and so more than anything they will be focusing on survival.

BH fits this mold. WBG explains here.

##Vote: BlazingHand

I have already pointed out that everyone is going to be focused on survival. I don't understand Palmar's point and he never clarified it. No-one has told me why a townie would not be focused on surviving. It is much harder to prove your alignment this game so surviving if you are town is probably a decent strategy as opposed to, I don't know, dying?
On July 18 2012 06:44 Katina wrote:
There is no way there will be a Foolishness or a Sandroba lynch today. Syllogism, or Blazinghand is most likely at this point maybe Austin (depends on everyone else)...Right now both Syllogism and Blazinghand is near the top of my suspicion list and these two are the main candidates for lynch today. Blazinghand hasn't been around in for a bit while Syllogism has been here trying to defend himself and push his suspicions of Foolishness (Who is also scummy to me) I would like to give Syllo another day and see what happens. So I will be voting for Blazhinghand today. I'm sure enough about austin yet to consider him a lynch candidate today I will wait and see what happens later on.

##Unvote Kurumi
##Vote Blazinghand

Depending on his flip and who dies during the night hopefully we will have a more organized D2.

Which is the biggest load of hogwash ever. He is suspicious, because? Oh I get it, he is suspicious because he is suspicious...

If you guys are going to push this wagon then please give me a reason to vote for BH cause right now the only one who has tried this is bugs and I fundamentally disagree with his logic on BH's response to the nuke.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 18 2012 03:32 GMT
#1125
On July 18 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:
I think Gonzaw is overwhelmed (not enough time) and that very much plays into why his meta would seem off. His confidence seems to be gone without being able to be the most dominant (usually by sheer volume) poster in the thread. I think this is the first time I have ever seen this little filter out of him and I think this all stems from not having enough time. I think his reactions and posts are sincere and truthful

I see u are on MZ. Gonzaw and mh are our leading candidates and it looks like I agree to give gonzaw a bit more time. Will u switch to MH?
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 18 2012 03:35 GMT
#1126
On July 18 2012 12:32 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:
I think Gonzaw is overwhelmed (not enough time) and that very much plays into why his meta would seem off. His confidence seems to be gone without being able to be the most dominant (usually by sheer volume) poster in the thread. I think this is the first time I have ever seen this little filter out of him and I think this all stems from not having enough time. I think his reactions and posts are sincere and truthful

I see u are on MZ. Gonzaw and mh are our leading candidates and it looks like I agree to give gonzaw a bit more time. Will u switch to MH?

I assume you mean BH as in BlazingHand and no
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 18 2012 03:36 GMT
#1127
I told my minions to kill BH today and gonzaw tomorrow. But it seems they want to kill gonzaw now... Oh why did I have to rage at gonzaw and in turn began the wagon..
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 18 2012 03:36 GMT
#1128
chezinu you have minions?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 18 2012 03:37 GMT
#1129
Yeah, I've been talking about all day. I work for the department of communication.

My name is Mr. Walton, a pleasure to meet you.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 18 2012 03:39 GMT
#1130
On July 18 2012 12:36 Chezinu wrote:
I told my minions to kill BH today and gonzaw tomorrow. But it seems they want to kill gonzaw now... Oh why did I have to rage at gonzaw and in turn began the wagon..


I know, it was your post that made me go and reconsider my earlier doubts about him. So for that, thank you.

Given this
On July 18 2012 06:35 sandroba wrote:
So yeah, let's lynch austin. Leaves us more time to think about BH/Laya, which I'm not entirely positive on being scum yet.


and this
On July 18 2012 09:46 sandroba wrote:
Too many scum this game. Must decide on one. Unless you can present a very good reason why gonzaw is not scum vote gonzaw. This game has 9 mafia right now and it's majority lynch so everyone needs to get behind the same lynch, not propose multiple ones. I'm sure a fair bit of you are right about your suspicions, but we must get behind one lynch to make sure it happens. I'm willing to let go of my suspects for now to get Gonzaw lynched and so must you.
##Vote Gonzaw


Anyone who is sheeping Sandroba should be on Gonzaw.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 18 2012 03:40 GMT
#1131
@ prob. I originally voted bh before the Nuke business. He was very aggressive from the start. It reminded me of my play as sk when trying to be town. Combine this with his statement on how he felt he was so town that the only way some one would vote for him is if he was scum. His arguments also didnt seem organic but like someone trying to hard. The nuke issue merely helped confirm it for me, when he began prioritizing his own survival.

What part of the nuke logic do you not agree with?

Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 18 2012 03:41 GMT
#1132
[B]On July 18 2012 12:32 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 01:38 HiroPro wrote:
I agree with sandroba: BH's posting looks very artificial. His reasoning for ignoring Probulous doesn't make sense: Probulous's question is not invalid just because BH switched targets. And his logic for thinking that sandroba/syllo are scum is laughable.
##Vote Blazinghand

So he ignored me and then made up a bad reason for it? I've dropped it, so did Sandroba. If you are sheeping Sandroba why do you feel BH is a better lynch even though Sandroba does not?

Why respond if he thinks he can just get away with ignoring it. Sandroba didnt unvote because he stopped believing bh was scum; he did so because he didnt think there was enough support for a lynch. And unlike you I actually think wbg 's argument is valid.
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 15:51 Chezinu wrote:
WBG FTW!!!

Your sanity eases my mind. I've been trying to kill blazinghand since the very begining of this game. First I attempt to send a minion to kill him, but that ended up failing. Then I shoot a nuke at him, but then he blocks it. This time though, I think I can lynch him. The TimeWarper's words are ringing true. I would love to give QBZ thanks for that, . Being SILLY is Fun!

##Unvote
##Vote BlazingHand

...
Nevermind, you do your thing
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote:
I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go.
As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake.
##vote blazinghand

BH is being bold, that is literally the reason you are voting for him? We no longer have more than 24 hrs so why is this a better case than Gonzaw?
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 23:03 slOosh wrote:
On July 17 2012 22:44 Palmar wrote:
The main characteristic of a mafia player in this game is not going to be pushing an agenda or scheming, but much rather complete focus on surviving on their own. This is exactly what the random lynch plays out on, the fear of getting killed as a player.

I've been thinking about the setup and I think Palmar nails it here. Basically everyone beside 3 CEOs are uninformed majority, and even they only know a fraction of their whole team. Thus all scum will be scared of pushing / lynching / hitting each other ala shooting GGQ in sleeper II, and so more than anything they will be focusing on survival.

BH fits this mold. WBG explains here.

##Vote: BlazingHand

I have already pointed out that everyone is going to be focused on survival. I don't understand Palmar's point and he never clarified it. No-one has told me why a townie would not be focused on surviving. It is much harder to prove your alignment this game so surviving if you are town is probably a decent strategy as opposed to, I don't know, dying?
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 06:44 Katina wrote:
There is no way there will be a Foolishness or a Sandroba lynch today. Syllogism, or Blazinghand is most likely at this point maybe Austin (depends on everyone else)...Right now both Syllogism and Blazinghand is near the top of my suspicion list and these two are the main candidates for lynch today. Blazinghand hasn't been around in for a bit while Syllogism has been here trying to defend himself and push his suspicions of Foolishness (Who is also scummy to me) I would like to give Syllo another day and see what happens. So I will be voting for Blazhinghand today. I'm sure enough about austin yet to consider him a lynch candidate today I will wait and see what happens later on.

##Unvote Kurumi
##Vote Blazinghand

Depending on his flip and who dies during the night hopefully we will have a more organized D2.

Which is the biggest load of hogwash ever. He is suspicious, because? Oh I get it, he is suspicious because he is suspicious...

If you guys are going to push this wagon then please give me a reason to vote for BH cause right now the only one who has tried this is bugs and I fundamentally disagree with his logic on BH's response to the nuke.

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 18 2012 03:42 GMT
#1133
I cant fix the tags on my phone easily. My response is in the quote.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 18 2012 03:43 GMT
#1134
On July 18 2012 12:40 rastaban wrote:
@ prob. I originally voted bh before the Nuke business. He was very aggressive from the start. It reminded me of my play as sk when trying to be town. Combine this with his statement on how he felt he was so town that the only way some one would vote for him is if he was scum. His arguments also didnt seem organic but like someone trying to hard. The nuke issue merely helped confirm it for me, when he began prioritizing his own survival.

What part of the nuke logic do you not agree with?



That him blocking it makes him scum. I can see a rash townie using whatever means they have to defend themselves from imminent death. Yes waiting for confirmation would have been better but we had already seen one nuke go off, so BH not immediately doubting Chez does not, in my mind, make him scum.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 18 2012 03:45 GMT
#1135
Why respond if he thinks he can just get away with ignoring it. Sandroba didnt unvote because he stopped believing bh was scum; he did so because he didnt think there was enough support for a lynch. And unlike you I actually think wbg 's argument is valid.


Sandro's filter says otherwise.

On July 18 2012 06:35 sandroba wrote:
So yeah, let's lynch austin. Leaves us more time to think about BH/Laya, which I'm not entirely positive on being scum yet.

"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 18 2012 03:47 GMT
#1136
I've been trying to give an honest go at it and the difficulty I'm encountering in trying to understand gonzaw is bleh.

It just seems like he has no focus at all. He is aware that he is strapped for time, yet half of it seems spent on telling us how much he doesn't have time and how the thread doesn't make sense. There are many, many thoughts, but very few conclusions, and the ones he notes multiple reservations in the same post

I think gonzaw makes a good lynch also.
##Unvote Blazinghand
##Vote gonzaw


Won't be able to comment extensively but will try checking up on thread till deadline.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 18 2012 03:48 GMT
#1137
I thought the nuke was real as well despite knowing chez's trolling so I agree that isn't a good reason to vote him. If I was him though I would have blocked Ks nuke when I learned he was scum but he didn't. I find that to be the more suspicious part.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 18 2012 03:49 GMT
#1138
It seems this guy named Chezinu has an uncontrollable impact on this game. It seems his actions have resulted in the top to candidates, both beginning with Chezinu's aggression. One a nuclear assault and the other a placement on a hitlist. There must be some secret code... Yes! I have solved it. I just need to get MAD. Get MAD at my enemies!

BlazingHands, I'm going to kill you! Go Go Turbo Lazer!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 18 2012 03:49 GMT
#1139
On July 18 2012 12:48 rastaban wrote:
I thought the nuke was real as well despite knowing chez's trolling so I agree that isn't a good reason to vote him. If I was him though I would have blocked Ks nuke when I learned he was scum but he didn't. I find that to be the more suspicious part.

why... kurumi doesn't know who scum is
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 18 2012 03:50 GMT
#1140
I wonder if I killed kurumi by writing his name in red... who am I? Kira?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
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