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On July 17 2012 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
laughable != scummy. I prefer BH's case on syllo than the one on BH
On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
Note the timestamps. Foolishness's attack has nothing to do with my original point. Anyway, if you stil think marv is scum, that's fine. If you want my vote, convince me.
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On July 17 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm considering Prob...here's the thing. BH is known to use questionable logic regardless of alignment (like someone else I know). The rate of his posts had nothing to do with my read of him, it was mostly the effort and voracity of his posts.
I'm wondering what the posts you're referring to are here Probulous, because as Kurumi pointed out posting /= contributing. Is it just that he's agreeing with your lynch choice that you're seeing him as town at this point? Because again I have to emphasize that it's entirely probable that if marv is scum then he does not know who his teammates are. Please stop refusing to factor this in, as it's a huge part of this game.
I understand that he doesn't know who is scum. Mrv is not setting the world on fire but he s asking the sort of questions I am asking. He ninja'd me with responding to bugs for one. I still don't understand why syllo would suddenly cooperate if he thinks he is lynch immune. He jumped onto Syllo before he was called out, and he did so when others were jumping all over BH. These seem like townie actions to me, but you are yet to post why you think he is scum.
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On July 17 2012 11:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm considering Prob...here's the thing. BH is known to use questionable logic regardless of alignment (like someone else I know). Yourself?
Can you answer my question please. Why would Syllo cooperate if he doesn't think he will get lynched?
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Gonzaw, are you actually going to play this game?
Almost every post of yours has a mention of how you will contribute later and how terrible the thread is.
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My biggest issue with BH his accusation against me is very similar in nature to Syllo's. He calls me scum farting in the wind (nice metaphor btw) but he never really follows it up. He doesn't question me, or vote for me (given how keen he is to throw his vote around, I find this really out of character). However, I liked his response to Sandro. It was spontaneous and crazy enough to be genuine. Plus he has been pushing Syllo which I agree with. Right now he is in the "look at later" basket.
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@Bugs
Do we even know if there is a block ability?
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BH do you actually have a blocking ability?
Still trying to get my head around this.
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Then why didn't you make a push for a Chezinu lynch? I mean you have already voted for him in game. Then he randomly sends a nuke your way, you obviously believed him because you used your power. But instead you side with bugs on the layabout lynch.
I don't know if it alignment indicative but it is hard for me to picture you having a read on someone and then suddenly it changes when they nuke you?
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No I get that. That much is obvious. My point is that you already thought he was scum. But you haven't mentioned him at all? Then he nukes you, which by your reckoning is going to kill a townie, and you don't even mention it? It's weird but i don't know if it's scummy.
Bugs the issue I have with your case is that it rests on BH having the mental fortitude to stop and actually think about the situation. It would be awefully tempting to straight up stop a nuke heading your way. Yes waiting until confirmation from the mods would have been the best play, that or stopping Kurumi's nuke, or both. He clearly responded rashly but whether it is town rash protecting their ass, or scum rash protecting their ass, I'm not sure.
As for taking Chezinu seriously, he may make crazy obfuscating posts but there is some nuggets of info in there. People troll but that doesn't mean you can't take their actions seriously.
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Thanks for that Gonzaw.
About layabout
I don't think laya was casting doubt on the claim but rather trying to get an answer from sandro (on why he wasted his ability).
Here is the entirety of layabouts filter
On July 17 2012 06:32 layabout wrote:
If sandroba can message people why did he reveal his power after outing a single player that he could have pushed without revealing his power?
On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote:
Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player?
PSA:
No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread!
Firstly, he assumes Sandro can send more than one message per day, or alternatively that he will live overnight. Given he has outed a scum that is highly unlikely. We all know Sandro is a deadly when on form so I would be surprised if he lives till tomorrow (he even stated as much). More damning though is that layabout didn't even bother to follow up on his question. I can understand forgetting a question here and there (it's a busy thread) but his only contribution this whole game has been to question the validity of Sandro's claim.
It serves no purpose, especially that Kurumi has confirmed Sandro's claim. In addition, bugs correctly pointed out that layabout is very vocal when he is town. I played with him in Werewolves and he was killed early because he was way too calm and clear. He lurked a lot in my other game with him when we were both mafia (Wiggles Mini II). There isn't much to go on but what is there is pretty bad.
I agree that Syllo is a better lynch but there is a decent case on laya.
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Who are you talking too bugs?
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Thanks, it takes time to reply and sometimes I get confused if you're responding to me or someone else.
On July 17 2012 15:29 wherebugsgo wrote:also, his claim of "ignorance" based on never playing with Chezinu (him telling me to check his history, for example) doesn't fly when people post stuff like this: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:
Ignore List:
Mattchew
Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.
##Vote: syllogism From some of the earliest posts in the thread it's obvious Chezinu is not to be taken seriously. Yet BH's defense is that he took Chezinu seriously because he didn't come off as a troll (highly unbelievable)
I see that and I understand where you are coming from here. I just think there is a difference between someone pushing a case on you and someone shooting a nuke at you. I have never played with Chez but if he sent a nuke my way my first thought would not be that it's fake. I'll have another read of him, and some of his older games to get a better idea. He sin't someone I get a read on easily.
You didn't answer my question: what do you think of Katina?
Another one I have never played with. Her spat with Mattchew is so off base. I liked her post on Foolishness's opening. To be honest I havent really had a good look at her filter. There are so many players that I have been focused on the ones I know.
How would you advise me about reading VE?
VE looks pretty townie to me right now. His annoyance at me prodding him about Marv seemed genuine. I know he is trying to control his rage so it fits. Plus he has been asking about people that aren't in the spotlight which is a good sign.
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On July 17 2012 03:42 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:13 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there. cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town That's bullshit and you know it lol. you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum Actually I'm playing smart and waiting until I have a solid case before I go after someone. In contrast, you have your idiotic crusade against katina and that's it. Discussion should be currently centered around Palmar for his inability/refusal to play. BH should be a secondary consideration for his random wild play. And of course I still haven't forgot chez and the smurf, I'm interested to see if they start playing as well. This may come as a shock but it's not always a good idea to shit up the thread with random cases. My lack of a formal "case" is way better than your little spat with Katina. What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now. ##vote blazinghand
GGQ, can you please explain why you voted for Blazinghand without ever mentioning him before hand? This is your only post of substance which is a discreditation of MZ but you vote for BH?
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Ok guys, work is over. See ya later!
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On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town.
I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote.
Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today.
This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town.
Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time.
##unvote
@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again?
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On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much.
I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it.
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness
##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
I'd be much happier with a Gonzaw lynch.
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Gonzaw
He really impressed me with his play in the iGrok game when he was town but here he has been underwhelming to say the least. Compare a typical post from that game
On June 11 2012 06:24 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 06:14 Palmar wrote:
Just for the record, I think MZ failed already and I'd be willing to lynch him.
Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible.
Let's do this. I noticed that too; but I wanted to wait and see how he behaves after that. I didn't see any aparent scum motivation with his post, but it's "fishy" enough to keep a close eye on him and see how he acts the remainder of D1. Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 06:13 GreYMisT wrote:
You accuse me of only posting fluff while I stated I would not be able to do much for all of today. Strawman. I accuse you of not "holding" your end of the deal in that previous post you made. You certainly did have time to discuss the RNG thing instead of analyzing, or at least trying to analyze, so you justifying it by saying "I don't have enough time" is irrelevant. Show nested quote +why bring this up now? there has not been a missing KP, nor has there even been a night phase. The only reasoning I can see behind this post is to remind the thread that you have thought critically (before the game started) and to get us off track of discussing a lynch. Because I don't want scum to forget about it. After I posted that, I realized that if I was Crazy Fiend this game I'd be fucked  However I'm not so it's all cool (just another game mechanic to take advantage of), that way we can try to focus on catching scum alone, and perhaps let scum get rid of the CF themselves (by shooting him+outing him in the thread later). Show nested quote +he only reasoning I can see behind this post is to remind the thread that you have thought critically (before the game started) and to get us off track of discussing a lynch Right, my only reasoning behind that post was to "get us off track of discussing a lynch", when I was the only that tried to get you people to abandon wasting time with the RNG talk and try to discuss a lynch in the first placeYou are not doing a good job of defending yourself Greymist. What do you think of Wiggles?
To his filter here. I mean the closest thing I can find to pushing a read, or poking, or asking a tough question or just generally being productive are his two big posts here and here. 90% of the stuff in there is just fluffy questions, even his vote reasoning is terrible
I've read syllogism posts and I did get that feeling he's just trying to appear pro-town while not contributing himself.
Him accusing Prob for making that post 1 minute into D1 seems so fake. I don't think a town syllo would actually believe that or accuse him like he did without either changing his mind or following up on it
He seemed pretty aggressive against Meapak, Katina and others, but just in an "accusatory" tone of his post that doesn't help town at all but helps create more confusion by casting suspicion on many people.
I think he's scum since I didn't see syllo act like this in Liar Game. He was more intent on getting information from people, not shit on people, cast suspicion and not try to shit things up.
Which is just a straight up parrot of what other people have said. Then he does a complete 180 to use Syllo's logic to vote for Foolishness when no-one was voting for him. He doesn't present anything knew or even poke Foolishness.
On July 18 2012 04:17 gonzaw wrote:Fuck, syllogism makes sense about Foolishness, I don't know if I was wrong about him before or this is him "finding other scum for us" like wbg said, but damn, maybe lynching syllo is not a good choice, I think lynching Foo' today would be better. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 15:47 Foolishness wrote:
And also, doesn't blazinghand try to do the whole, "I'm going to try to post like a sane person and make sure all my sentences make complete sense" thing when he's mafia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing that game where he was 3rd party and he was so obviously not town cause he was posting paragraphs of babble trying to look normal and helpful. This is the kind of post I don't see town Foo' doing at all. He just mentions BH and adds some wishy-washy stuff about how he acted like this as 3rd party and concludes nothing at all. Foo' defending Palmar when Palmar was acting like a dick by saying things like "we can figure him out as scum by D3 if he has less than 6 pages of filter" is so stupid I can't believe a town Foo' would say that. I've posted about his earlier posts before. ##Unvote: syllogism
##Vote: Foolishness
He is so concerned with looking good that he doesn't bother to actually participate. This is complete contrast to the iGrok game where he actively pushed people, broke down the setup and was generally a hard ass.
##Vote: Gonzaw
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On July 18 2012 08:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote:On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town. I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote. Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today. This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town. Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time. ##unvote@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again? Austin never pushed for my lynch. He pushed for my role. He is concerned if my ability is one-shot or multiple use. What here is not mafia agenda? Where is the town agenda in that? How does me claiming any of these options help him figure out my alignment?
I agree there is no town agenda. It is bad bad play.
You yourself realise that you are likely to die overnight, so what use does your role provide mafia? I mean they know you can send messages now so anything coming from you would be disregarded right. If messages don't come directly from you then they cannot know whether something is from you or not which provides even more incentive to shoot you. As you pointed out they have to be wary of messages in general now because they know they can be faked. You even mentioned that there might be other people with a similar role. So my point is, what does mafia gain from knowing your role?
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On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much.
I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it.
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness
##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
In case you were wondering why I singled out this post, I'll explain it to you. The first bit Gonzaw explains he is confused by poor austin's behaviour. It just doesn't make sense from a town point of view but damn it is cluttering up this thread that is so hard to read. But it is alight, there are some small things that make him "unconfident" that austin is scum (like WTF?), so he doesn't think he is scum. But hey why not lynch him, right?
Honestly can someone explain this sentence to me?
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
Everything about it says Austin is town but he straight up votes for him? This is not townie Gonzaw.
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On July 18 2012 09:18 HiroPro wrote:
Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba?
In addition to this, why would they NOT want to make sure their messages are from their superiors if your ability is only one shot? Like you said, there may be more than one of your role.
I get that the info provides a little certainty for mafia but in reality, it isn't much. Basically if austin is mafia he has sacrificed himself to ensure that his fellow scum members can safely receive messages tonight knowing their might be other ways that they are sabotaged? Reckless doesn't even begin to describe that behaviour.
I'll be here are lynch time, so if it comes down to a choice between Austin, BH and MZ, I will change my vote, but right now I think Gonzaw is a better lynch.
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