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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 01:34 GMT
#624
On July 17 2012 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
bugs: - eh... i keep deleting :p

you're obviously not particularly confident in your read on him if you wrote what you wrote anyway. if you're fairly confident he's scum then you have no reason to believe he wouldn't try to mislead town if he lived.

aren't you really saying you think he's scummy but you wanna give him a 2nd chance?


read again.

LAYABOUT IS SCUMMIER.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 01:38 GMT
#627
On July 17 2012 10:35 marvellosity wrote:
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On July 17 2012 10:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
bugs: - eh... i keep deleting :p

you're obviously not particularly confident in your read on him if you wrote what you wrote anyway. if you're fairly confident he's scum then you have no reason to believe he wouldn't try to mislead town if he lived.

aren't you really saying you think he's scummy but you wanna give him a 2nd chance?


read again.

LAYABOUT IS SCUMMIER.


yeah i got that. putting something in caps that you already said doesn't make it go in my head twice.

I'm not asking why you don't want to lynch him today, I'm questioning your line of thinking that someone you believe to be scum would help us find scum.


oh, that's simple.

This setup has most scum not knowing who the other scum are. It's in their best interest to actually look for scum, similar to a game that has multiple scum factions. Otherwise they'll just die isolated.

Thus, for a person like syllo to live, we force him to find other scum for us (we know that syllo is capable of this regardless of his alignment). As long as he is unwilling to do this we threaten him with death. If he is willing to help find other scum then he's either town or he's a scum who's helping us kill his own teammates.

When we have more information on how he's done this (given time) we can more effectively determine his alignment.

If, at any point, there are no players scummier than him, we just kill him.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 01:52 GMT
#639
On July 17 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:
you're going to have to humour me here bugs

how does one find scum scummily?


Similar to how dead scum call out SK, or how scum in other games have called scum of other factions scum.

I may be overthinking things or I may be loopy right now, but w/e. I don't support a syllo lynch at this moment. I'm with sandro on that.

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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 02:00 GMT
#645
On July 17 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm considering Prob...here's the thing. BH is known to use questionable logic regardless of alignment (like someone else I know).


Yourself?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 02:07 GMT
#650
On July 17 2012 11:02 Probulous wrote:
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On July 17 2012 11:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm considering Prob...here's the thing. BH is known to use questionable logic regardless of alignment (like someone else I know).


Yourself?


Can you answer my question please. Why would Syllo cooperate if he doesn't think he will get lynched?


if he doesn't cooperate (i.e. contribute) he dies.

I'd say this if sandro was scum too, but sandro sucks at being scum. Think about it. These are players whose town games are very good, to the point where they often singlehandedly take down scumteams. In this setup they are capable of doing that even if they are scum because they don't know who the other scum are.

However if they actively refuse to contribute their thoughts (or if their thoughts are obviously feigned) then we kill them.

It's not hard, but we need to afford them time. However, players like layabout who already have no interest in contributing and are clearly already acting from a scum perspective should die because, 1. they often are bad at scumhunting and 2. if they're already useless chances are they're going to continue to be useless.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 03:25 GMT
#680
upon rereading, I've discovered something that makes Blazinghand the scummiest person in the thread.

On July 17 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote:
##block: Chezinu

I was hoping not to have to use this.


After voting Kurumi (since we all know Kurumi is basically scum) and instead of waiting for Protactinium to confirm that Chezinu actually even has a nuke, he chooses to save himself (instead of saving RoL) with his block power.

Why is this essentially claiming scum?

Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread. Indeed, Chezinu's nuke was clearly fake. Any person with half a brain would realize this, because Chezinu is nothing more than a glorified troll. To take him seriously in such a threat is to value your own life above the value of actually solving the game (finding scum).

So why is BH so concerned with saving himself instead of stopping a scum action (kurumi's nuke)? It's probably because he's scum and he has no interest in stopping another scum from using his action, but very interested in staying alive.

kill BH today.

##unvote
##vote Blazinghand
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 03:31 GMT
#683
who cares if he's pushing someone else who you also think is scum? Scum will do that in this game because it serves their interests best.

Part of my whole "let syllo find scum" bit is that you can actually almost trust reads given by scum in this game. It means you ignore things you would normally count as town tells (i.e. if they push a scum then you don't count it as a town tell) however you CAN take everyone's pushes seriously because everyone in the game has an interest in finding scum.

In other words establishing yourself as town takes more effort but everyone's scumhunting can be taken at least partially seriously. This is unlike other games where establishing yourself as town is fairly easy because not everyone's scumhunting can be taken seriously.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 03:32 GMT
#684
On July 17 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
@Bugs

Do we even know if there is a block ability?


we don't, but why would BH use ##block unless he had that ability or that he took the nuke seriously?

If he's lying about having a block then he's scum, if he's not lying it doesn't change anything.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 03:37 GMT
#687
On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread.


Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with.

*I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself).


it doesn't mean RoL is town, but since Kurumi is scum you have an interest in stopping a scum nuke.

When Chez "nuked" you it seemed like you just panicked. You could've waited however long you wanted to on that block if you're town, and if you are town it's in your best interest to wait. But, you chose to use it before the mod confirmation of the nuke.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 03:38 GMT
#688
On July 17 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 17 2012 12:31 wherebugsgo wrote:you can actually almost trust reads given by scum in this game. It means you ignore things you would normally count as town tells (i.e. if they push a scum then you don't count it as a town tell) however you CAN take everyone's pushes seriously because everyone in the game has an interest in finding scum.


And it's for this reason I can't automatically block Kurumi. And how am I supposed to know that you can ##nuke without having nukes? I'm not intimately familiar with chezinu, the man is utterly opaque to me. He had (or so it appeared) edited a post and for all I know he was planning to launch his nuke for being modkilled.


Now you're just being deliberately dense and acting ignorant. You've also just displayed that you're not reading the thread.

You know what I hate? People who are both scummy and ignorant of the happenings of the thread. You fall in that category right now.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 03:48 GMT
#691
On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 17 2012 12:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:31 wherebugsgo wrote:you can actually almost trust reads given by scum in this game. It means you ignore things you would normally count as town tells (i.e. if they push a scum then you don't count it as a town tell) however you CAN take everyone's pushes seriously because everyone in the game has an interest in finding scum.


And it's for this reason I can't automatically block Kurumi. And how am I supposed to know that you can ##nuke without having nukes? I'm not intimately familiar with chezinu, the man is utterly opaque to me. He had (or so it appeared) edited a post and for all I know he was planning to launch his nuke for being modkilled.


Now you're just being deliberately dense and acting ignorant. You've also just displayed that you're not reading the thread.

You know what I hate? People who are both scummy and ignorant of the happenings of the thread. You fall in that category right now.


Okay, so what's ignorant in that post?

1) I can't automatically block kurumi -- seems reasonable
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If I rolled a block ability as town and there was a confirmed scum who used a confirmed nuke power, I would block the confirmed scum because it's in town's interest to stop that scum from achieving his agenda.

On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
2) TYPICALLY in games with dayvigs you're not allowed to ##kill unless you have the ability to do so (as in that game where V7 was a jack and shot soap) -- also reasonable


This is false, you can write ##kill as a VT, it just won't do anything.

This has happened in multiple games before. The general consensus is to wait for a mod to confirm the action before acting in reaction to it. You did not follow this convention.

On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
3) I'm not familiar with chezinu -- I'm not. check my history.


I don't give a fuck about your history, the fact is that if you're reading Chezinu's posts from this game you should understand what kind of a player he is.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's a troll and thus should only be taken seriously if he's acting serious. The fact that you didn't realize this by now is a strong suggestion that you're not reading his posts.

On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
4) he looked like he edited a post -- he did. I'm not the only one who was fooled, I'm sure

THATS A REASONABLE POST. Don't make it out like it's not.


This is the confirmation for me that you're not reading the thread. Someone else WAS fooled, but it was directly clarified by a third person that it was a fake edit.

In fact, it was another scummy person who thought Chez edited (it was Meapak) and the fact that you didn't read the clarification but assumed he would get modkilled is an incredibly strong indication that you are scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 03:55 GMT
#693
Time for questions, most important first.

VE, this question is important:

Do you have a block power, or were you faking it?

Katina, what do you think of both hiropro and VE?

Foolishness and Katina: thoughts on each other, please.

Answers to questions addressed to me that I am willing to answer now:

On July 17 2012 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
WBG what are your thoughts on syllo's push on Prob? Did it seem sincere to you? Do you agree with any of the points raised against Probulous by syllo?


no to both questions. It was partly why I considered syllo to be scummy. (also his push on Probulous seemed reactionary to the pressure he was receiving in thread, mostly from Foolishness)

On July 17 2012 12:09 HiroPro wrote:
WBG, there's something I don't get about your "let syllo find scum for us". You think that layabout is scummier than syllogism. Ok, fine. But then why even bring up that whole talk (not only does it seem fairly illogical to me), but why would you even feel the need to justify yourself like that?


I was asked why I preferred layabout even though I found syllo scummy. I preferred giving a full answer as opposed to a half answer, because I know a lot of people want to lynch syllo today and not many seem to be interested in killing layabout.

It may not be an answer that people understand nor even agree with, but that's fine by me. It's my reason for wanting to keep him alive if only temporarily.

At any rate right now I'm completely fine with a multitude of players dying. We can't kill them all but I will be pushing those who I think are most likely to flip scum. If that likelihood changes then so will my vote. If it's clear I can't get my #1 target lynched then I will gladly switch to the scummiest target that has the best chance of dying.

for the record, my scumreads in order from strongest to weakest right now are:


Blazinghand
layabout
Meapak_Ziphh
syllogism


I've omitted Kurumi since he's basically dead.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 04:03 GMT
#696
alright, going to stop responding to BH after this post since it's going to wreck the thread, but last responses:

On July 17 2012 12:54 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 17 2012 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:31 wherebugsgo wrote:you can actually almost trust reads given by scum in this game. It means you ignore things you would normally count as town tells (i.e. if they push a scum then you don't count it as a town tell) however you CAN take everyone's pushes seriously because everyone in the game has an interest in finding scum.


And it's for this reason I can't automatically block Kurumi. And how am I supposed to know that you can ##nuke without having nukes? I'm not intimately familiar with chezinu, the man is utterly opaque to me. He had (or so it appeared) edited a post and for all I know he was planning to launch his nuke for being modkilled.


Now you're just being deliberately dense and acting ignorant. You've also just displayed that you're not reading the thread.

You know what I hate? People who are both scummy and ignorant of the happenings of the thread. You fall in that category right now.


Okay, so what's ignorant in that post?

1) I can't automatically block kurumi -- seems reasonable


If I rolled a block ability as town and there was a confirmed scum who used a confirmed nuke power, I would block the confirmed scum because it's in town's interest to stop that scum from achieving his agenda.


Stop him from killing RoL, over stopping someone from killing you, when you know you yourself are town? I'd save the guy I know to be town: myself.


That's not the point. There was no mod confirmation that you were even dying, whereas there was mod confirmation that Kurumi was aiming a nuke at RoL.

In that moment your first thought should have been to wait, not to save your ass when you haven't even seen mod confirmation of there being a third nuke in the first place. This is what any reasonable townie would have done.

A scum in that situation, of course, would panic and try to save himself. That's what scum do when they think they're going to die. They panic. This is also in light of you taking Chezinu completely seriously, where if you were even reading half of his posts there is almost no reason for you to EVER take him seriously.

On July 17 2012 12:54 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
3) I'm not familiar with chezinu -- I'm not. check my history.


I don't give a fuck about your history, the fact is that if you're reading Chezinu's posts from this game you should understand what kind of a player he is.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's a troll and thus should only be taken seriously if he's acting serious. The fact that you didn't realize this by now is a strong suggestion that you're not reading his posts.


Really? More of a troll that Kurumi this game, or QBZ with his nonsense? Or Layabout with his literally not posting? No, I think I had good reason to be afraid of a guy who uses a bolded hash command in the thread.[/quote]

First of all, layabout not posting is not "trolling". That's "lurking." Nice stretch.

Secondly, you take Kurumi and QBZ seriously? Why the hell does it matter if other players are trolling as well? How does that make Chezinu any less of a troll? If you don't take Kurumi or QBZ seriously (and if you've identified QBZ as a troll even though none of us have played with QBZ) then I don't see how you would fail to identify Chezinu as a troll as well.

Your defense is essentially that there are two other players who are trolling, therefore Chezinu's nuke claim was believable, which is absurd.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 05:18 GMT
#710
On July 17 2012 13:26 Mattchew wrote:
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On July 17 2012 11:17 Mattchew wrote:
WBG can you explain to me your read on Katina?



I ignored this on purpose.

I don't want to reveal my stance on Katina, but for now I do not think she is a good lynch. I am with sandro on this.

(If it isn't apparent by now, I'm pretty much in accordance with almost everything sandro has said so far. If you are town I would highly suggest you read through his posts. Come to your own conclusions by all means, but do not ignore his opinions if they conflict with your own)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 06:26 GMT
#719
On July 17 2012 15:18 Q-bert-Z wrote:
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On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
For fucks sake that took me like 3 hours, fucking hell.

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On July 17 2012 04:03 gonzaw wrote:
Holy shit I've read the voting thread and its chaotic as fuck.

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On July 17 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck


Dude. It's a game. Getting tired of this. Save your swearing for when it's warranted, and keep the town environment a little friendlier.


smells like GMarshal


On July 17 2012 14:33 Mattchew wrote:
wbg. He finds syllo kinda suspicous but doesnt really post any reason, wants to lynch BH and "outted" Kurumi. Am I missing something? I disagree with his read on BH. I think Kurumi is like dead or something.... I am still all for MZ lynch (he included him in his list of Palmar/syllo/MZ but hasn't really commented on MZ or Palmar other than + Show Spoiler +
On July 17 2012 02:27 sandroba wrote:
Palmar why are you playing like ass right now. Surely you can do better than this. Even as scum I expected more from you.

On July 17 2012 02:31 sandroba wrote:
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On July 17 2012 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 17 2012 02:10 supersoft wrote:
yes of course, but do you think it's worth mentioning? This stuff is common sense. dont you think that these thought are rather thoughts a scumplayer has, because he has to control and plan who he accuses?

Could you quote stuff? I didn't realize this was directed at me. I actually do think it's worth pointing out because in a normal game, the only people who suddenly change their minds are DTs who got a red (or green) check. Someone doing an about face is often a good way of lynching scum without having to claim DT. In this game however, it'll be scum doing about faces so I think it's good to get it out there so we don't have to sift through multiple DT claims later in the game.

Why in hell are you still talking about this. Isn't there anything more productive for you to comment on?

)

What exactly are you looking for me to take from sandroba's filter that I haven't already commented on?


it's more than just his reads, it's how he thinks that is important.

If you believe Katina is scum then now is not the time to push her lynch. There isn't much about her that is particularly suspicious at this moment in time.


On July 17 2012 13:17 Probulous wrote:
Bugs the issue I have with your case is that it rests on BH having the mental fortitude to stop and actually think about the situation. It would be awefully tempting to straight up stop a nuke heading your way. Yes waiting until confirmation from the mods would have been the best play, that or stopping Kurumi's nuke, or both. He clearly responded rashly but whether it is town rash protecting their ass, or scum rash protecting their ass, I'm not sure.

As for taking Chezinu seriously, he may make crazy obfuscating posts but there is some nuggets of info in there. People troll but that doesn't mean you can't take their actions seriously.


yes, it rests on BH not being stupid. I realize that.

I often am wrong because I overestimate the skill of others, but I'd rather consider them competent first.

Also, I called him ignorant but ignorant is different from stupid. BH I don't believe is stupid. He hasn't chosen to read the thread thoroughly, which makes him ignorant of many players and events, but it also reflects on his motivation. I think a town BH at the very least would read properly and I really don't think he would use the defense of "but layabout is a troll" as town to try to make sense of his block usage.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 06:29 GMT
#720
also, his claim of "ignorance" based on never playing with Chezinu (him telling me to check his history, for example) doesn't fly when people post stuff like this:


On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:

Ignore List:
Mattchew
Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?

Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.

And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.

##Vote: syllogism


From some of the earliest posts in the thread it's obvious Chezinu is not to be taken seriously. Yet BH's defense is that he took Chezinu seriously because he didn't come off as a troll (highly unbelievable)

Anyway, Foolishness kinda ninjaed me here but I want to hear from you Mr PCP:

You didn't answer my question: what do you think of Katina?

How would you advise me about reading VE?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 06:33 GMT
#722
sandro:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&currentpage=30#585

So let's kill BH/layabout, yeah? Which do you think is better? I lean on BH atm.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 06:35 GMT
#724
My last post, I was talking to sandro. The sandro: at the top kinda gives that away.

The last two posts before that were addressed to you (about your question on my case on BH)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 17 2012 08:00 GMT
#739
On July 17 2012 15:47 Foolishness wrote:
And also, doesn't blazinghand try to do the whole, "I'm going to try to post like a sane person and make sure all my sentences make complete sense" thing when he's mafia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing that game where he was 3rd party and he was so obviously not town cause he was posting paragraphs of babble trying to look normal and helpful.


Yes. When he's mafia he's very sure to be careful. Fewer one-liners (though there are still a fair amount), lots of clarifying and sheeping people. That's exactly what I see this game. Perhaps he's changing his style because he's around a bunch of vets, but I doubt it; and to increase my confidence, sandro agrees with my read.

The game where he was SK was Emergency Mafia, I hosted it:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341663&user=133498&currentpage=2

Blazinghand has demonstrated a tendency to try a careful posting style in this game. That was proven when in his second or third post he called his previous post "unreasonably short".

Then he's got posts like this:

On July 17 2012 01:27 Blazinghand wrote:
If I was "pretty sure" someone was scum my vote would be on him like white on rice.



On July 17 2012 01:53 Blazinghand wrote:
But would you literally call the guy scum and say you want to lynch him AND not vote him? This strikes me as insane. And honestly, voting someone doesn't cause them to talk less... it causes them to talk more, doesn't it? Make the scum come out of his hole. Makes his buddies come out to help him. I think you're just wrong.


On July 17 2012 07:59 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 17 2012 07:57 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:52 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:46 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:
[quote]
Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you?

Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip.

You are making this so easy.
I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me?

._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now.

Why not the case on you? It sounds cool.

God, I don't care, just do something useful. Do you really think you're helping town by flapping around like this? Or are you just trying to waste people's time efficiently until nightfall?

Do you honestly think people are going to reread ANYTHING I post? Do you honestly think people CARE? No, they don't. Sorry man, but there's not much I can do. I can only sit there and watch.

NO. NOT IF YOIU'RE TOWN IT'S NOT.

Look Kurumi. Imagine, for a moment, that you're town, and not scum, which you clearly are. If you are town, you KNOW yuou're gonna flip town when you're lycnhed. So instead of dicking around, you should be MAKING CASES. and ANALYZING and helping. and stuff. That way, when you flip town, people are like "oh, hey he was town" and read your shit and hey, despite being mislynched you helped.

Right now, you're doing none of that. You're just being either a) town who's so whiny he's stopped helping or b) scum who got caught and is butthurt and at this point it's clear that it's b)

I thought about playing like that guy Blazinghand in one of mafia games where he posted videos pictures and stuff but I decided that it sucks.
People rarely re-read things dead people have written. That's why our towns suck so much. We ignore what confirmed vets/good players have written. The last game had austin, who made couple of HUUUUUUUGE posts which were very good. Guess what. Buried. Forsaken. Nobody cared. About a guy, who DID good job. Why would they care about me?


OK you know what I'm just gonna let that slide cause clearly I gotta correct some negativity in here. Check it. If you really think town won't listen to what you have to say, that's fine. But I *personally* promise to you that if you post some cases and flip town, I will PUSH THEM for you after you die. You know me-- I can push a case. I'll find one that I find reasonable, and I'll supplement it with my own case. And this will be a grand turning point for TL towns. What do you say?

If you really think TL Towns are bad, whining rather than helping certainly won't make them good.

Come, Kurumi. Let's change things for the better.


On July 17 2012 11:28 Blazinghand wrote:
For what it's worth, I actually CAUSED several of the changes in the flavor of the hour, rather than the other way around <3


On July 17 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 17 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote:
On July 17 2012 11:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm kinda hamstrung until rastaban gets back so in the meantime I'll throw my name in with the people who want BH dead.

On July 17 2012 11:20 Blazinghand wrote:
WBG, after some thought, I agree with you. Although syllogism strikes me as scummy, Layabout is irredeemably so. Examining his filter (link) I cannot in good conscience NOT vote him. This is a big game and he's trying to skate by. Syllogism's posting history, while unfavorably comparable with the droppings of a flock of diuretic parrots, greatly outdoes Layabout's simply on strength of its existene.

Layabout is trying to skate by.

We can't let that happen.

##unvote
##vote: layabout

BH is really just going for whoever is currently the flavor of the hour, if you look at his posts he's simply flipped whenever thread opinion has changed. Also his reasons for voting people have been very sheepy, he's been gunning for syllo for the better part of the game but all of a sudden bugs waltzes in with a case and BH flips again.

##Unvote
##Vote: Blazinghand

Do you disagree with his reasoning for his votes? or just that he's jumping a lot?


As a town player, I definitely never move my vote around a bunch in the same day so CLEARLY that's grounds for me being scum. CLEARLY>


On July 17 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 17 2012 11:35 HiroPro wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Blazinghand

##Nuke Blazinghand



Man, you know

you know what

I hate you so much

I can't even express how mad I am


All of the above posts are self-centric. They show that Blazinghand is obviously very aware of his own appearance this game, something that most townies (and least of all BH) don't care about very much.

Then we have this in response to VE:

On July 17 2012 11:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Did... did you just waste one of our blocks? ._.


Irony here is that he asks VE if he wasted a block, without even considering that he wasted his own. So why think that HiroPro's nuke was fake but not Chezinu's? Kind of a fail on BH's part here.

Also his whole back and forth with Kurumi was really weird given that Kurumi is essentially confirmed scum.
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On July 17 2012 15:51 Chezinu wrote:
WBG FTW!!!

Your sanity eases my mind. I've been trying to kill blazinghand since the very begining of this game. First I attempt to send a minion to kill him, but that ended up failing.


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