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On July 26 2012 10:49 gonzaw wrote:
You are basically assuming me and MZ are scum and I know he's scum, and trying to nitpick stuff that shows that.
Even if both of us were scum, unless me/him were supervisor/minion I wouldn't even know he was scum (and trust me, when I'm scum I have shitty reads of other scum as well, just check Liar Game)
Explain to me where exactly I said I assume both of you are scum. My point is not that you know MZ is scum it is that you haven't bothered to take a position on the person on the opposing wagon. You are actively avoiding mentioning him and instead are determined to lynch Zealos. It is clear that Zealos is going nowhere today, there are virtually no votes on him, so why do you not bother to try and work out MZ?
I mean if you think he is town, then we are all wrong but you can't be bothered to even try and convince us. If you think he is scum you have done everything in your power to step back from that position. You want us to ignore your opinion on MZ, given he is the only likely candidate for lynch today that is not you, why would you do this?
About MZ, I'm actually not very sure of him being scum. Yes, it's possible he's scum for reasons I've stated, and some people (that are likely town) that are so sure about him may indicate they saw something I didn't, but I'm not actually sure after reading his filter even more. He seems too confident even when all players accuse him, and his behaviour seems similar to Liar Game which is why I'm wary (i.e he has that aggressive/confident tone in his posts in this game as well).
Now that you are forced to take a position you say he is too confident thereby suggesting a scum MZ would not be confident? Like how is this a defense? You did exactly the same thing with Palmar. You tried to stop our lynch with bad reasoning and the only other target you bang on about is Zealos.
I also agree that Zealos was an "easy bus" for many players (palmar, layabout, etc), but that's because it was pretty apparent he was scum and his scumbuddies would have no choice but to bus him. If nobody even pays attention to him or votes him it makes it even easier for them to bus him, since apparently he was never in danger of getting lynched.
I haven't heard a single reason for why Zealos is town, I've only heard people (like Prob) saying that he might have been dumb townie and did the whole sandro incident by accident, but nothing else.
See here again, why do I have to prove Zealos is town. For all I know he may be mafia, but the reasons you are providing don't prove squat. Marvell and Hiro have pointed out some other stuff, which I already have banked for later, but you are content to push based solely on Sandroba's gambit which we know can catch dumb town. Saying that it is "pretty apparent" that he is scum is not case, especially when I am pointing out townie explanations for the only evidence you have presented. See I think you are too lazy to actually build a case that is not based on the PM.
I think you are content to do enough to look like you are hunting for mafia.
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Ok wheels beeping Syllo right now. Only skimmed and haven't had time to actually read in depth.
## vote slOosh
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On July 27 2012 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Probulous - what game was it you were referring to that gonzaw went ape-shit when you accused him of being mafia?
My very first game. I think it was Student Mafia or something. It is in my profile.
Still reading
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On July 27 2012 07:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
EBWOP: Probulous I know you're phone-posting...1 or 2 words on supersoft's reaction?
Surpised 
I don't know, initial thoughts were he was caught off guard and trying to explain stuff. I mean the PM clearly implicates him so if he is town or scum he would be trying to clarify things. I need to read it carefully.
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On July 27 2012 01:08 risk.nuke wrote:
##nuke zealous
I Don't have a nuke though.
Call me paranoid if you will but can you do this again with the correct spelling? Just a check that is all.
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It's only night 1 and I'm not allowed to communicate names whatsoever
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My first real order to you is to attack sandroba/wherebugsgo/Bill Murray/Palmar during the night.
I know we are flipping him but doesn't anyone find this contradiction strange? It's like, I can't tell you my team but I can tell you who is not on my team
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Yeah that was my reaction too
Why would you think that Syllo? I mean for all intents and purposes by pushing two different sets of names in two different PMs, they could out their team quite clearly. To be frank Ii was surprised they could include names at all but here you think they specifically can include four when they actually name many more than that
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My first real order to you is to attack sandroba/wherebugsgo/Bill Murray/Palmar during the night.
Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying.
That's 6 names right there.
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Reminder to myself: Go back through thread and check on people who repeatedly mention how chaotic the game is.
If these PMs are true then scum would want us to feel like the thread is chaotic. I noticed that a lot of people were using that specific word which was odd to me because I don't find the thread is chaotic at all. Big yes, but Chaos no. Given it was mentioned was a strategy here it may be a way of them staying on message and outing themselves to each other.
Hunch but worth looking into.
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On July 27 2012 02:00 austinmcc wrote:
Also, if the commuter role is present, that's another reason for the lack of NK last night.
(1) some form of protection
(2) scum didn't send in a kill (missed it OR thought all targets sent were mafia)
(3) kill sent in on a commuter who was gone that night
(4) roleblock on the chairman of the board, IF that would stop the NK in this setup
Subtle implication that Syllo is mafia.
Austin what do you think this actually means? Syllo was shot but here you suggest a way the block would happen with him being mafia. It seems unlikely that scum would shoot their commuter unless they are on opposite sides of the hierachy which would mean mean Syllo is working for the department of marketing. It's possible but unlikely given how he has played so why post this here?
Why did you post this without explaining the implications...
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Meapak's bizarre rastaban case now makes sense. His whole case was that rastaban was being wishy-washy yet he kept plugging it without really pushing for his lynch. It was a distraction case. Very similar to Palmar's Day 1 push of Meapak. The fact that Meapak never really expanded on it (his Day 2 stuff was much of the same) and has continually soft pushed it also fits.
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On July 27 2012 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 08:46 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think. They can't have a janitor - that would imply minions knowing who other scum are wouldn't it?
Same logic applies to a pardoner surely...
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On July 27 2012 08:42 Probulous wrote:
Meapak's bizarre rastaban case now makes sense. His whole case was that rastaban was being wishy-washy yet he kept plugging it without really pushing for his lynch. It was a distraction case. Very similar to Palmar's Day 1 push of Meapak. The fact that Meapak never really expanded on it (his Day 2 stuff was much of the same) and has continually soft pushed it also fits.
Upon closer reading of the last couples pages, this is no longer relevant. I hate having to reread stuff to understand how things unfold. Much easier when you are actually around to actually discuss stuff.
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Chez, I feel betrayed 
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On July 27 2012 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:He likes me better Prob!  What's funny is what you mistook for him knowing your role was him calling you an Executive. LMAO That's how I read it anyway.
No it was the bolded thing. I really thought he knew my role title. I feel stupid 
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Five stars for five mafia. Life is good 
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On July 27 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay...okay...What in the piss?
Wasn't he presently in control of the mafia when he did that?
Wasn't he......wasn't he like the new CEO or something?
Well it kind of makes sense. I mean he knew Fool was getting shot but BH died before he could claim the kill so by claiming the kill he covers for the other mafia. Hopefully he gets the cred and gets confirmed as town but then Supersoft counter claims. Of course mafia didn't expect Foolishness to die from a town shot as well. They also didn't expect VE to kill BH so quickly. That lynch really fucked them over I think.
If BH claimed the shot he would be in the clear as long there wasn't a town counterclaim. Given how much suspicion was on him, it was probably worth the chance that there is no town vig given Kurumi wasn't shot night 1. If town counter claimed they traded the probable lynch target (BH) for a town vig.
That ninja lynch by VE meant BH never got to claim which meant that someone else could claim the cred and who better than the current "CEO". The text was bad but the play wasn't. All in all Supersoft played his role like a total bad ass, waiting for mafia to claim the cred and then outing them.
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No he did, but so did Super. LOL.
Why else would slOosh claim? He must have felt that BH did kill Fool and there were no town vigs because of Kurumi so it was a "risk less" play, but they got butt fucked by a bad ass Supersoft and a ninja VE.
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Yup. My setup looks like this
CEO
Foolishness- Chairman of the Board
slOosh
Blazinghand - Weird counter vig thing. Shot Foolishness
layabout - Dud nuke
- Mystery man
- Chairman of Marketing
Mystery man
Palmar - Pardoner
- Mystery man
- Mystery man
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Just popping in before bed. I see we are going with Gonzaw. Needless to say, no arguments here. I will be more productive tomorrow.
## vote Gonzaw
From phone
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