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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 21:45 GMT
#2316
On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:

We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.

We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.

Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left.

I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me?
Null tell at best.
Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed.

Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 21:55 GMT
#2318
On July 21 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:

We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.

We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.

Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left.

I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me?
Null tell at best.
Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed.

Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged?


Who forged a PM?
The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts.

If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim.

Person A does not receive a message. Person B claims to have messages him/her. Forges a PM, with whatever inside. Who would you kill first? The Sender or The Receiver?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 21:57 GMT
#2320
On July 21 2012 06:56 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:

We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.

We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.

Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left.

I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me?
Null tell at best.
Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed.

Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged?
There's no issue of forgery with the PM you received. I had to go back and check your filter, you've never said Sandro didn't send you that message.

It's not a real situation I know of, it's only theorycrafting damnit.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 22:00 GMT
#2325
On July 21 2012 06:58 HiroPro wrote:
I'd do sender, but this pointless.... I don't get why you guys are so interested now but refused to talk about 1 for 1 stuff when i brought it up in the beginning.

Buy yourself a cake. So now I know that we're ok if something funky happens. Thanks HiroPro.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 23:11 GMT
#2359
Rastaban, mind explaining?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 23:34 GMT
#2362
Katina, mind listing your mafia and town reads?
Im going through your filter and there's a lot of mafia lists but you never seem to call anyone town...
You are trying to control the chaos in the thread, but you simply don't have the presence or authority to do so. Why not pursue it harder? Why not pursue it more gently? Do you really care?
Palmar's RL plan seems genuine and good. That's why I was up for it. His play looks a lot like bored town. He bring info on Q.
He gives a lot of reads, some cases. I just got it how much it sucks that I am alive. It's Day 2 and scum are going to have enough intel to kill good people without them doing any justice. Damn it. You MUST preserve Town's reads.
First Katina's post ticks me off in this moment:
On July 17 2012 02:07 Katina wrote:
Palmar is Mafia: He puts out the idea of a random lynch and tries to convince the town to go with it. Random lynches are a bad idea, yes there are a lot of mafia but there are more townies. There's a higher chance of hitting a townie D1 which I rather not have happen..

Like it's not the case like.. ALWAYS? Her reason to go against RL is pretty much none. Something's wrong here.
Also compare this list:
On July 18 2012 09:26 Katina wrote:
bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point:

supersoft
wherebugsgo
Bill Murray
sandroba
syllogism
risk.nuke
gonzaw


Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying.

To this one: (I'll help)
On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.

Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill.


It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote.

Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as:

Mattchew
Foolishness
Palmar
Blazinghand

Syllogism
Bill Murrary

Even given the first list is based off votes on austin, I wonder why they're not in the second one...
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 23:36 GMT
#2364
On July 21 2012 08:35 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm crazy! I'll do it!

##unvote
##vote: sandroba

Okay, really?

Anyone who says this guy shouldn't be our D3 lynch should seriously consider going back to some newbie games... He knows he's Mafia. He's only doing this because he's so obviously guilty.

Are you always that aggressive, Katina?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 23:40 GMT
#2369
On July 21 2012 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 08:35 Katina wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm crazy! I'll do it!

##unvote
##vote: sandroba

Okay, really?

Anyone who says this guy shouldn't be our D3 lynch should seriously consider going back to some newbie games... He knows he's Mafia. He's only doing this because he's so obviously guilty.


I'm inclined to agree, but I REALLY REALLY want to lynch Executives. This inter-office communication bullshit is gonna continue to be convoluted and confusing.

Katina, do you think I'm insane for thinking sandroba is scum? If so, please tell me nicely.

There MIGHT be Mafia Messenger. I am not sure if I approve of it, but it is a possibility. Town Messenger sounds like a great role.. It's quite obvious that our Protactinum team has thought of it - it can punish scum.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 23:43 GMT
#2370
Nononono I am not quite sure about lynching Sandro.. Make him send a message to... Chezinu! Palmar might be a good choice too... Make him type something and then the player to confirm... But the second guys must be trusted.. Or sand breadcrumbs the receiver.. Something... I don't think Sandro's scum.. I mean, because of the claim. Everything else about him sucks in my opinion.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 23:59 GMT
#2379
not worry friend
this is game
i do not grudge
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 31 2012 19:47 GMT
#4321
Told you sandroba was useless!
Jokes aside, sorry guys. What I said was true - I really thought it's some funky 3rd party mechanic is going on... Without 3rd party present >_>
Nice job guys, this was a slaughter.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 02 2012 08:15 GMT
#4455
On August 02 2012 03:05 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Should have tried to get people to think it was a police radio. Give like, one or two checks to clear one guy, or incriminate another. Give a red check on someone to bus them, then a green check on yourself to confirm yourself as town. Would have bee. Fairly believable because a DT check on someone who is highly suspected is totally normal, and it works out nicely because you bus someone who is already likely to die, and will certainly flip soon after your broadcast. His flip will confirm the legitimacy of the police radioish role.

On May 23 2011 04:30 Ver wrote:
Emergency!

[image loading]


The Police Radio has sounded, revealing all of the results I sent to various detective roles last night!

Person A: InfiniteStory- Same
Person B: tnkted is mafia
Person C: Gmarshal is Mafia 2 DT
Person D: Incognito day 1 votelist: 1/5
Person E: KillerSOS day 2 votelist: 2/10

Woweewoweeewoweee
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 08:22:40
August 02 2012 08:21 GMT
#4456
On August 02 2012 07:08 Probulous wrote:
Qbertz. Who are you?

Kavdragon or Radfield.
Someone who dies quick.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 09:32:01
August 02 2012 09:25 GMT
#4458
On August 02 2012 17:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
also btw kurumi, that play was beyond retarded.

Both the nuke and the breadcrumbing that you are mafia. Both of them, really really stupid.

Although I can't tell whether that was worse than what RoL did.

It wasn't beyond retarded. I just forgot that 3rd parties were not present in the game. When I received the PM, I asked the hosts if I am a mole because honestly I had no idea what happened. I did not think about consequences, yes. I honestly thought it was some funny club I got into.
I used my nuke right, sadly it did not hit scum.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 16:17:02
August 02 2012 16:13 GMT
#4462
On August 03 2012 00:41 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 18:41 syllogism wrote:
No, you definitely did not use your nuke "right"

Agreed. Kurumi, you used your nuke in absolutely the worst way possible. You literally had a random chance of hitting mafia, and on day 1, when the random chance is the lowest, no less. You could not have used your nuke MORE incorrectly, barring shooting a confirmed townie.

33% I could hit mafia. Considering that D1 ended in a no-lynch it wasn't that bad.
EDIT:
I couldn't quite hold on the nuke.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 17:15:47
August 02 2012 17:08 GMT
#4479
I couldn't claim the nuke by the way.

On August 03 2012 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Think of it this way Kurumi. If you hadn't shot RoL, then you could have used your nuke on one of the lynch candidates D1 when a no-lynch was imminent. OH GOSH AND THAT WOULD HAVE HIT SCUM 100% TOO!


I was sleeping during this time.
And I wouldn't be able to do it either, unless I went with current lynch candidate who was BH.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 18:38:26
August 02 2012 18:38 GMT
#4482
On August 03 2012 03:24 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:08 Kurumi wrote:
I couldn't claim the nuke by the way.

On August 03 2012 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Think of it this way Kurumi. If you hadn't shot RoL, then you could have used your nuke on one of the lynch candidates D1 when a no-lynch was imminent. OH GOSH AND THAT WOULD HAVE HIT SCUM 100% TOO!


I was sleeping during this time.
And I wouldn't be able to do it either, unless I went with current lynch candidate who was BH.

So don't claim it, and don't try to nuke anyone on day 1. I don't understand why you felt you had to nuke someone on day 1 anyways. With a 1 KP mafia, you should have felt relatively comfortable living until at least day 2.

Qatol, I was dead. I should die Day 1. I was the lynch target and then slipped because RoL nuked me(dud nuked).
There is nothing I could do different.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 18:45:20
August 02 2012 18:45 GMT
#4483
wrong thread
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 02 2012 21:11 GMT
#4486
On August 03 2012 04:38 strongandbig wrote:
but... you wouldn't have been the lynch target if you hadn't fakeclaimed scum lol.

This is a separate issue from my nuke.
Nobody cared about it anyway.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 03 2012 01:15 GMT
#4488
On August 03 2012 10:13 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 03:38 Kurumi wrote:
On August 03 2012 03:24 Qatol wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:08 Kurumi wrote:
I couldn't claim the nuke by the way.

On August 03 2012 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Think of it this way Kurumi. If you hadn't shot RoL, then you could have used your nuke on one of the lynch candidates D1 when a no-lynch was imminent. OH GOSH AND THAT WOULD HAVE HIT SCUM 100% TOO!


I was sleeping during this time.
And I wouldn't be able to do it either, unless I went with current lynch candidate who was BH.

So don't claim it, and don't try to nuke anyone on day 1. I don't understand why you felt you had to nuke someone on day 1 anyways. With a 1 KP mafia, you should have felt relatively comfortable living until at least day 2.

Qatol, I was dead. I should die Day 1. I was the lynch target and then slipped because RoL nuked me(dud nuked).
There is nothing I could do different.


You sent the nuke on RoL way before you were "already dead" (as in, before sandro made that PM thing with you).

Yeah but nobody cared. The thing I am trying to explain is that I would send a nuke after sandro's claim anyway.
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