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On July 10 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:
iirc, they roleblocked you because they considered you dangerous. They didn't know you were DT but that was enough
Then why not kill me instead Milton (or even sciberbia earlier, although I can understand that one a bit more).
Killing Milton basically ruined Prom's credibility, and Umlauts as a result, not that I was able to convince anyone of that, but it really really hurt their case in my eyes and pushed both of them ahead of Hopeless for good.
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We made the decision before Milton did his thing.
We figured the Blind-Rawr suspicions on you gave us a decent shot and killing you made little sense when you were gunning for me. We had already decided to go for an all or nothing ploy for the challenge of it at that point if I remember correctly.
Marv: thanks for being there for us, you came through when we needed you and gave me some hope when every scummy guy was getting replaced by a townie guy which sucked butts for us.
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Okay, some post game thoughts:
First of all, I'm pretty dissapointed with the amount of replacements in this game. A mini game is not that much commitement and there really was no excuse. When you get yourself mod killed, you're basically fucking up the game completely for your teammates. That many replacements makes it extremely difficult for anyone to get solid reads on the other players, and probably the reason town lost so resoundingly this game. Props to JingleHell for being so active and engaged though.
The Day 1 lynch of Anacletus was totally avoidable. It had all the hallmarks of the typical bandwagon against the newbie towny who said something stupid. If you take away nothing else from this game, the guy who's acting "scummy" day 1 is almost never scum. Newbie mafia players tend to lurk (since they're paranoid about getting caught) and more adept scum players won't be doing these types of things anyway. No newbie mafia player would be going on about the reads they have which they won't share. They'd be doing everything in their power not to draw attention. If there are "scum slips" they're going to be far more subtle than that.
Second, when you see this in a mini-game:
On July 01 2012 02:03 ghost_403 wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count:
Anacletus (7): AmericanUmlaut, BLinD-RawR, BobTheLob, Fencer710, Intact, iamperfection, Promethelax
Intact (1): Anacletus
Fencer710 (1): Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der (1): JingleHell
It's a pretty good indication that you've got a bandwagon on a townie.
Night 1,
Sorry I missed the flavor post, I was a bit sick (but that is why the mafia forum demands multiple hosts  ).
Anyway, I'm not sure about the hit on JH. One the one hand, he was the most active town player. On the other hand, he had all the hallmarks of someone who'd lead the town on an endless goose chase the whole game and be generally distracting. I probably would've left him alive, at least until night 3.
The Day 3 no lynch was a big mistake. Town should never no-lynch that far into the game. Day 1 town lynch can be argued for, but on Day 3 when you're that far behind you have to lynch someone or your just delaying the inevitable. Though I think this was partly due to the level of replacements that made it hard. But you've still got to come to some agreement.
The decision of what to do with Myles was tough. Technically he should've been modkilled which would've resulted in an instant mafia victory. It was unfair to "pardon" him. But winning a game via mod kill is no fun, and after the amount of effort some town players put in, losing that way really stinks. It's basically unfun for everyone involved and allows one person to ruin the game for everyone. In the end, it was the same outcome but hopefully a little bit more fulfilling for the mafia players.
Night 3
Props on the Blind-Rawr/Keirathi roleblock. That was an excellent read that basically won you the game. He was trying to investigate AU, and so would've returned mafia if you hadn't roleblocked. This game would probably still be going if you hadn't done so.
Day 4, I actually think mafia mis-played Day 4 a bit. By voting early on Hopeless1der, you guys risked yourself a bit. All you needed was one town vote on another town member, and then a last minute vote switch would've sealed it. I think that would've been a safter tactic.
Town, you guys failed epically day 4. BobTheLob I don't know if you can't do math or if you just thought that whole "vote for the majority" think would lure out the mafia. They're not that dumb, and even a no-lynch would've won the game for them.
This here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347856¤tpage=35#693 Should've set off alarm bells. Anytime you see the frantic double post ending with questions in response to an accusation, that should tip you off. That's a real scum slip, talking about reads in a notebook is not, lol. Followed by AU quickly putting his vote on Hopeless, they basically exposed themselves right there.
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no one told me they wold release our qt....
i regret nothing!!
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What I mean when I say it ruined your credibility was the fact that both of you used the exact same scumteam.
Flipping Milton as green, when you had been saying that you were 99% sure of Fencer's guild, seems really, really strange in hindsight.
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On July 10 2012 06:43 iamperfection wrote:
no one told me they wold release our qt....
i regret nothing!!
its okay we all posted under each others names. No one will ever know which of us is which. I hope you enjoyed the post game scum claim.
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On July 10 2012 06:43 Keirathi wrote:
What I mean when I say it ruined your credibility was the fact that both of you used the exact same scumteam.
Flipping Milton as green, when you had been saying that you were 99% sure of Fencer's guild, seems really, really strange in hindsight.
good point but I always had the I'm an idiot defense to fall back on. Which was pretty much my plan if it came to it. And my breadcrumb to throw up some second guesses if it became necessary.
Edit: and somewhere in this game I got to 1000 posts. Go me.
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On July 10 2012 06:43 TheToast wrote:
Props on the Blind-Rawr/Keirathi roleblock. That was an excellent read that basically won you the game. He was trying to investigate AU, and so would've returned mafia if you hadn't roleblocked. This game would probably still be going if you hadn't done so.
Ermm, what? I changed my investigation target to Hopeless. I believe I sent you the adendum. Is changing not allowed?
Not that it made a difference in the long run, but if you had returned me with Umlaut being scum when I asked the investigation to be changed to Hopeless, I would have been pretty upset.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
TheToast said:
"Props on the Blind-Rawr/Keirathi roleblock. That was an excellent read that basically won you the game. He was trying to investigate AU, and so would've returned mafia if you hadn't roleblocked."
no, AU was godfather.
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On July 10 2012 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
TheToast said:
"Props on the Blind-Rawr/Keirathi roleblock. That was an excellent read that basically won you the game. He was trying to investigate AU, and so would've returned mafia if you hadn't roleblocked."
no, AU was godfather.
Ahhhh yes. Well, it was still a really good read on mafia's part.
@Keirathi, yeah I forgot about that. Actually, if you had investigated Hopeless I'm assuming that would've narrowed the list. So still props to mafia.
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On July 10 2012 06:49 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 06:43 TheToast wrote:
Props on the Blind-Rawr/Keirathi roleblock. That was an excellent read that basically won you the game. He was trying to investigate AU, and so would've returned mafia if you hadn't roleblocked. This game would probably still be going if you hadn't done so.
Ermm, what? I changed my investigation target to Hopeless. I believe I sent you the adendum. Is changing not allowed? Not that it made a difference in the long run, but if you had returned me with Umlaut being scum when I asked the investigation to be changed to Hopeless, I would have been pretty upset.
Even better it would have returned AU is town since he was our GF.
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ggs all - it was fun
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was there an obs qt? I want to see how they did.
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I'm so pissed right now lol I called it 2 of them. I just couldn't say why.
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Also I noticed that the town would say that we lose when we started to vote them while the scum wouldn't.
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I just got finished reading through Maf QT and Obs QT.
Maf QT: I think you guys had some shaky reasoning for a lot of the things you did, but somehow still got away with it. Only explanation really is that all of the modreplaces hurt us as much as it hurt you. Pretty frustrating either way.
Obs QT:
JingleHell wrote:
And Keirathi replacing in when they're heading for mylo? I hope for town's sake he's scum. Wonder if he's going to push for his no-lynch roleclaim crap again?
Sorry for disappointing you 
It really is unfortunate that neither of the 2 people you thought were scum in early QT turned out to actually be scum.
@Milton: nice grab of the scumteam!
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Um no, the mod replacements made it much harder for mafia
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Yeah, it really does, which probably explains why the scum team killed all of them so quickly.
I really did feel bad replacing so many people. Unfortunately, modkilling them leaves the town at such a disadvantage so fast. Losing one townie, and they wouldn't have been able to no lynch Day 3, with two they wouldn't have had a Day 3.
By the way, all of the replacements played this game very well, and I really appreciate them stepping in like that. Thanks again you guys!
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If someone flat out gives up, they shouldn't be replaced. I believe this very firmly.
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Effectively town gets to dodge a mislynch by someone giving up.
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