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On July 01 2012 21:34 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 19:56 Fulla wrote:
Are we still going to kill Greymist? If so what info will this bring us if he flips town?
Is Zealos considered completely town now then? Would prefer to kill mattchew first
On July 02 2012 03:24 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Nova who do you think is scum right now? Mattchew He keeps pushing along things passively while chilling back and doing nothing himself
On July 02 2012 18:12 Nova_Terra wrote:
The giant growth lasts for 1 turn only
Also I will attack mattchew with the 11/11 and grey/s&b with everything else, objections?
On July 03 2012 17:26 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:54 Oberyn wrote:On July 03 2012 07:49 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Okay so we need to do 15 damage to Greymist, more damage is not needed.
Who is dealing those 15 damage with what monsters and what are we doing with the rest?
I just tapped my glimmervoid for an Island. I will be using it either for my spellbomb or to equip my skullclamp (+1 damage) depending on wether or not I like what Nova is doing, so I'd like him to tell us what he's about to do ahead of time so I can decide on what to do.
Not sure who's the best target for the rest of the damage. I've got mainly 2 reads that are somewhat decent and 2 people I wouldn't mind dying. What's your take on people guys? Who are you going to attack and why?
I want to know exactly who is attacking with what monsters and what monsters are targetting whom. Nova forgot about using his Giant Growth so a 11+4 direct damage dealt to Grey is out of the question, so we need at least 3-4 creatures to attack. I can attack him with my 8/8, Fulla said he'd attack him with his 1/1 as well. We need to see who is willing to attack Grey alone (and not someone else) so we use their damage instead. Although the possibility of forcing them to attack someone else is there as well (for instance Fulla). I wouldn't mind attacks on these players: -Mattchew -Fulla -Zealos Maybe not killing them though (of course) but crippling their HP so they aren't at ~20 all game. I'm doing 11 dmg to mattchew in the form of a rootwalla and my avatar. The fauna shaman can attack grey/s+b
So much content and reason, I see how you love to lol that I have put nothing out there!
Anyone else see this utter hypocrisy in Nova's play
Has anyone even made a case or anything against me that I could respond to?
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On July 03 2012 23:52 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 21:34 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 01 2012 19:56 Fulla wrote:
Are we still going to kill Greymist? If so what info will this bring us if he flips town?
Is Zealos considered completely town now then? Would prefer to kill mattchew first Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:24 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Nova who do you think is scum right now? Mattchew He keeps pushing along things passively while chilling back and doing nothing himself Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 18:12 Nova_Terra wrote:
The giant growth lasts for 1 turn only
Also I will attack mattchew with the 11/11 and grey/s&b with everything else, objections? Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 17:26 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 03 2012 07:54 Oberyn wrote:On July 03 2012 07:49 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Okay so we need to do 15 damage to Greymist, more damage is not needed.
Who is dealing those 15 damage with what monsters and what are we doing with the rest?
I just tapped my glimmervoid for an Island. I will be using it either for my spellbomb or to equip my skullclamp (+1 damage) depending on wether or not I like what Nova is doing, so I'd like him to tell us what he's about to do ahead of time so I can decide on what to do.
Not sure who's the best target for the rest of the damage. I've got mainly 2 reads that are somewhat decent and 2 people I wouldn't mind dying. What's your take on people guys? Who are you going to attack and why?
I want to know exactly who is attacking with what monsters and what monsters are targetting whom. Nova forgot about using his Giant Growth so a 11+4 direct damage dealt to Grey is out of the question, so we need at least 3-4 creatures to attack. I can attack him with my 8/8, Fulla said he'd attack him with his 1/1 as well. We need to see who is willing to attack Grey alone (and not someone else) so we use their damage instead. Although the possibility of forcing them to attack someone else is there as well (for instance Fulla). I wouldn't mind attacks on these players: -Mattchew -Fulla -Zealos Maybe not killing them though (of course) but crippling their HP so they aren't at ~20 all game. I'm doing 11 dmg to mattchew in the form of a rootwalla and my avatar. The fauna shaman can attack grey/s+b So much content and reason, I see how you love to lol that I have put nothing out there! Anyone else see this utter hypocrisy in Nova's playHas anyone even made a case or anything against me that I could respond to?
Yes. He also sheeped Obleryn extensively for the first few days.
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On July 03 2012 23:52 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 21:34 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 01 2012 19:56 Fulla wrote:
Are we still going to kill Greymist? If so what info will this bring us if he flips town?
Is Zealos considered completely town now then? Would prefer to kill mattchew first Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:24 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Nova who do you think is scum right now? Mattchew He keeps pushing along things passively while chilling back and doing nothing himself Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 18:12 Nova_Terra wrote:
The giant growth lasts for 1 turn only
Also I will attack mattchew with the 11/11 and grey/s&b with everything else, objections? Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 17:26 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 03 2012 07:54 Oberyn wrote:On July 03 2012 07:49 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Okay so we need to do 15 damage to Greymist, more damage is not needed.
Who is dealing those 15 damage with what monsters and what are we doing with the rest?
I just tapped my glimmervoid for an Island. I will be using it either for my spellbomb or to equip my skullclamp (+1 damage) depending on wether or not I like what Nova is doing, so I'd like him to tell us what he's about to do ahead of time so I can decide on what to do.
Not sure who's the best target for the rest of the damage. I've got mainly 2 reads that are somewhat decent and 2 people I wouldn't mind dying. What's your take on people guys? Who are you going to attack and why?
I want to know exactly who is attacking with what monsters and what monsters are targetting whom. Nova forgot about using his Giant Growth so a 11+4 direct damage dealt to Grey is out of the question, so we need at least 3-4 creatures to attack. I can attack him with my 8/8, Fulla said he'd attack him with his 1/1 as well. We need to see who is willing to attack Grey alone (and not someone else) so we use their damage instead. Although the possibility of forcing them to attack someone else is there as well (for instance Fulla). I wouldn't mind attacks on these players: -Mattchew -Fulla -Zealos Maybe not killing them though (of course) but crippling their HP so they aren't at ~20 all game. I'm doing 11 dmg to mattchew in the form of a rootwalla and my avatar. The fauna shaman can attack grey/s+b So much content and reason, I see how you love to lol that I have put nothing out there! Anyone else see this utter hypocrisy in Nova's play Has anyone even made a case or anything against me that I could respond to?
Have you ever made a case that anyone can comment on. That's the problem with you, you're just being very passive and happy to let time go by.
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On July 04 2012 01:40 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 23:52 Mattchew wrote:On July 01 2012 21:34 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 01 2012 19:56 Fulla wrote:
Are we still going to kill Greymist? If so what info will this bring us if he flips town?
Is Zealos considered completely town now then? Would prefer to kill mattchew first On July 02 2012 03:24 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Nova who do you think is scum right now? Mattchew He keeps pushing along things passively while chilling back and doing nothing himself On July 02 2012 18:12 Nova_Terra wrote:
The giant growth lasts for 1 turn only
Also I will attack mattchew with the 11/11 and grey/s&b with everything else, objections? On July 03 2012 17:26 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 03 2012 07:54 Oberyn wrote:On July 03 2012 07:49 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Okay so we need to do 15 damage to Greymist, more damage is not needed.
Who is dealing those 15 damage with what monsters and what are we doing with the rest?
I just tapped my glimmervoid for an Island. I will be using it either for my spellbomb or to equip my skullclamp (+1 damage) depending on wether or not I like what Nova is doing, so I'd like him to tell us what he's about to do ahead of time so I can decide on what to do.
Not sure who's the best target for the rest of the damage. I've got mainly 2 reads that are somewhat decent and 2 people I wouldn't mind dying. What's your take on people guys? Who are you going to attack and why?
I want to know exactly who is attacking with what monsters and what monsters are targetting whom. Nova forgot about using his Giant Growth so a 11+4 direct damage dealt to Grey is out of the question, so we need at least 3-4 creatures to attack. I can attack him with my 8/8, Fulla said he'd attack him with his 1/1 as well. We need to see who is willing to attack Grey alone (and not someone else) so we use their damage instead. Although the possibility of forcing them to attack someone else is there as well (for instance Fulla). I wouldn't mind attacks on these players: -Mattchew -Fulla -Zealos Maybe not killing them though (of course) but crippling their HP so they aren't at ~20 all game. I'm doing 11 dmg to mattchew in the form of a rootwalla and my avatar. The fauna shaman can attack grey/s+b So much content and reason, I see how you love to lol that I have put nothing out there! Anyone else see this utter hypocrisy in Nova's play Has anyone even made a case or anything against me that I could respond to? Have you ever made a case that anyone can comment on. That's the problem with you, you're just being very passive and happy to let time go by.
So you don't want me to point out glaring contradictions in his play?
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Actually I'd like Zealos to be the target over mattcher over fulla over s&b at this point.
I went over Holy roman mafia again, the game I co-hosted with Caller and frankly I've got to say mattchew isn't anything like that and he was Mafia in that game.
What mattchew did in Holy Roman:- Screaming in his mafia-QT at his buddies how obvious it is that they are mafia.
- He then proceeds to dish out a couple of reads which are ALL 100% correct, bussing his mates and defending townies people are attacking saying it is obvious why he thinks so.
- In the end he never ended up explaining why he thought that way and came to the conclusion of X being mafia or Y being town, he just proceeded to say something along the lines of "screw you guys, you're a bunch of morons and I don't need to explain shit to you when it's so damn obvious".
- He got towncred that way in the end because he ended up bussing a lot but in reality it never was really obvious at all.
Mattchew THOUGHT it was obvious, because he knew who his teammates were, because he knew where he had to look at and easily picked up things that can be considered scummy but that was just confirmation bias. He knew who was mafia so he said so without being able to explain a thing or actually doing a thing except for saying "it's obvious, just lynch that guy over there".
The thing is:
I don't see that happening this game. Yeah he's posting very little and that's making him scummy but I don't see him being scummy the way he usually ends up being scummy and he actually is delivering at least a tiny bit of insight, something he completly failed to do in holy roman. It's more of a risk.nuke scummy, a guy who refuses to do what he is told to do, instead doing his own thing, people consider it scummy and when lynching him for that he ends up flipping true random.
So far mattchew is my #3 scumread after Greymist and Zealos but unless one of them flips town I don't really want to attack him yet.
I'm also pretty sure that either Nova OR Greymist is mafia but not both at the same time and the fact that nova is so all about attacking mattchew out of nowhere is giving me the creeps right now.
It comes down to this for me:
Mafia #1: 99% either Nova or Greymist
Mafia #2: 90% either Zealos, Matt or maybe Fulla.
and it's getting all complicated. Greymist wants to attack Zealos, Nova wants to attack Matt and Matt wants to attack Fulla.
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I was thinking the same about Mattchew since he's not playing like in LIII at all (he was very aggressive there and more active, and tried to fit in more).
Well...this is a different type of game (it's not "normal" with lynchers and stuff) so it may not be that accurate to meta-analyze Matt (also I'm most likely doing it wrong), but either way I get the feeling he's most likely town because of it.
Meh I'll be studying for a test I have today and be back after the deadline...so maybe I'll be dead when I come back? Dunno.
I want Greymist dead because we'll be in a fucking deadlock here where we won't be really sure if Grey is scum or not, even if we have doubts of him being either of them (unless we kill other 2 guys who flip scum we'll have that fear throughout the whole game).
Lots of things he did in the game make me think he's "obvious mafia" (like the things from D1-D2 for instance) but other things don't make sense if he's mafia (him just chilling over here, being all calm and shit). But meh let's just get it over with, there's no sense in WIFOMing out of his "lynch".
If he's scum, I was considering either Zealos or Fulla as scum (I think a Zealos-Grey scumteam is less likely, but a Grey-Fulla could be). Well...even if he's town I'd consider either Zealos or Fulla (or both) as scum.
I had some doubts about Were but nah they are gone now (it was me just being a little bit paranoid); and so about Prome (and now Mattchew).
S&B is weird because when I read his posts I get a town vibe out of them (also he drunk posted  ), and I think his concerns about Zealos are legitimate.....however damn his "cases" were so shitty it makes me doubt he'd do them as town (specially the "Grey is scum because he wanted to play a Magic Multiplayer game"...*shudders*).
I'd be willing to bet Nova is town (because of some stuff I said before), but I wouldn't assume anything until we have a clearer picture.
So yeah that leaves Grey+Zealos+Fulla (+maybe Nova) as the pool of subjects for the remaining scum IMO, and Grey's flip will tell us a lot about it.
...maybe some guys can attack Zealos/Fulla as well (but everybody seems to be AFK and very few people are attacking  ).
So...maybe this will be my last contribution or not, I'll be updating this in between studying so if anybody has any question shoot.
Also last chance to use my Spellbomb (although shouldn't be a worry since Were already has one)
WBG:
Mafia #1: 99% either Nova or Greymist
Is this because of the night kill? You think Grey "no-killed" as scum to create confusion to try and survive today; but if he's town the only reason there was no-kill is if Nova was scum?
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Out of interest, why am I a target?
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On July 04 2012 02:52 Oberyn wrote:[...] Is this because of the night kill? You think Grey "no-killed" as scum to create confusion to try and survive today; but if he's town the only reason there was no-kill is if Nova was scum?
yeah. A no-kill because mafia forgot about it is possible as well but I don't take that for an explanation because that's really unlikely.
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On July 04 2012 03:01 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 02:52 Oberyn wrote:[...] WBG:
Mafia #1: 99% either Nova or Greymist Is this because of the night kill? You think Grey "no-killed" as scum to create confusion to try and survive today; but if he's town the only reason there was no-kill is if Nova was scum? yeah. A no-kill because mafia forgot about it is possible as well but I don't take that for an explanation because that's really unlikely.
All I can think is that the no kill was designed to change /something/ or else they wouldn't have done it. So I say keep the same target as we had beforehand.
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On July 04 2012 03:03 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 03:01 WereBugs-Go wrote:On July 04 2012 02:52 Oberyn wrote:[...] WBG:
Mafia #1: 99% either Nova or Greymist Is this because of the night kill? You think Grey "no-killed" as scum to create confusion to try and survive today; but if he's town the only reason there was no-kill is if Nova was scum? yeah. A no-kill because mafia forgot about it is possible as well but I don't take that for an explanation because that's really unlikely. All I can think is that the no kill was designed to change /something/ or else they wouldn't have done it. So I say keep the same target as we had beforehand.
That's one of the reasons we're sticking with Greymist. We still have other damage available though.
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On July 04 2012 02:59 Zealos wrote:
Out of interest, why am I a target?
Because I can see why S&B and others are suspicious of you. You did attack (not in the magic game, but verbally) only those that were going against you heavily (s&B and Grey), but not much else; and you only attacked them based on their cases on you being bad, and you just stirring some shit with them. I didn't really see you making an actual analysis of their play and the only thing you did was react against them. You also didn't really pay attention to anybody else, like Nova or Fulla, etc (when asked about your thoughts on them)....and now you are doing the same "someone FoSes me→react and OMGUS them" game against Mattchew this day (you come out of nowhere to accuse him of not contributing and being scummy when I don't think you mentioned him before).
EHmm...although I'm not that confident for reasons I said earlier (the way you post, etc) which don't make me so sure you are scum; and because I could see you playing "bad" like that as town (playing a "reaction" game isn't just something scum do to create chaos but also something unfocused townies do....like VE for instance).
If Grey flips scum I guess you are more likely town; the problem I find is figuring out what happens if Grey flips town and that makes me extremely paranoid of some people (you for instance).
I guess if Grey flips town it won't be my problem to figure it out though (since I'll be dead) >_> <_<
Because if Grey flips town....then who's scum? I don't see WBG or Prome as scum, and now I don't see Mattchew as scum either. That leaves you, Fulla, S&B and Nova.
I'm getting a town read out of S&B and Nova, so that leaves you+Fulla; and to be honest it's possible your scum play "improved" very much and you are playing like this on purpose.
Hopefully Grey is scum and we avoid that mess.
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Well....yeah I forgot Greymist is already dead (the attacks by me+Prome+WBG on him have already been done).
So, Greymist is dead....will someone attack someone else?
Fulla? Nova? S&B? Will you attack at all this turn?
Nova, you have A LOT of power.....are you sure you want to attack Mattchew? If you do you better post some very good reasons why you are attacking him and not Zealos, or Fulla or hell even S&B instead.
You have 14 total damage...you can put Zealos at 1 HP if you want, or put Mattchew/Fulla at 6 HP (and making it very easy to kill next turn, since you still have your 8/8 trample beast which you can trample them with and kill them since they don't have a -/3 toughness monster out).
If you use your attack, then explain yourself thoroughly since you have the power to change the game as you see fit; if not you know what will happen (WBG Spellbombs your ass and you get killed later)
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Obe still here? I'd like it if you spellbom Novas 8/8 trample thing.
Thing is I am really sure it's either Greymist or Nova for the first mafia spot. If it's Grey and he's dead, whatever, we're down one mafia without taking a lot of damage (noone but you got hit by KP, so it would be a 1v1 trate assuming you'll die today, which isn't that far fetched I guess). If Grey is town Nova is mafia and has a 8/8 creture with trample + a 12/1 creature that is unblockable.
So reason being:
If Grey is mafia we are in a very good spot even without novas 8/8 trample creature.
If Grey is town we're screwed big time with Nova having that 8/8 trample creature.
Also I told him to be clear early on on who he's attacking so I can equip my myr with the equipment rather than spellbombing some rogue creature doing something else. He said he likes to attack mattchew alright but he still hasn't done a thing about it. I can't see a thing in the other thread.
Also he's from Switzerland, it's 21:00 local time over there and he hasn't shown up at all. I've got the feeling he might be dodging the thread.
If you don't spellbomb his 8/8 creature I will do it myself when I'm done cooking. I really don't like Nova not doing a thing right now. Maybe that's paranoia because of the no-hit but as mentioned, even if it is and Grey flips red we're very much okay without Nova's creature after a 1v1 trade.
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If Grey is mafia cool Nova is most likely town and you guys will need a town 8/8 beast.
If Grey is town and you fear Nova is scum Spellbomb it yourself next turn (you still have AEther Spellbomb).
I won't spellbomb it now in case Grey flips scum, Nova is town and we just made a huge mistake that may cost us the game (well, if Grey flips scum it's unlikely, but still).
There's no rush, at worst Nova will use it on Mattchew or something this turn (but you can still spellbomb it next turn)
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Also it's not "Grey is town->Nova is mafia" (yeah although that could be one of my guesses).
I know I was focusing on the night action so much...but it was to stir discussion and to come up with other possibilities we haven't considered yet, it wasn't to have Nova as "confirmed scum" and never listen to reason again.
If Grey flips town don't assume Nova is scum (if Grey flips town I think it's more likely Fulla+Zealos/S&B are scumbuddies instead of Nova for instance), but put him under heavy scrutiny and see what he does, and force him to explain himself and shit (don't go blindly spellbombing him....hell you can even do that in next turn's Attack Phase without losing anything)
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On July 04 2012 04:09 Oberyn wrote:
If Grey is mafia cool Nova is most likely town and you guys will need a town 8/8 beast.
If Grey is town and you fear Nova is scum Spellbomb it yourself next turn (you still have AEther Spellbomb).
I won't spellbomb it now in case Grey flips scum, Nova is town and we just made a huge mistake that may cost us the game (well, if Grey flips scum it's unlikely, but still).
There's no rush, at worst Nova will use it on Mattchew or something this turn (but you can still spellbomb it next turn)
If mafia has both a 12/1 and an 8/8 creature there is reason to rush.
If they don't we're fine playing the long game without the 8/8 creature because it's only one mafia left.
Also as Artanis just told us mafia have to eliminate every single townie, they don't even win in a 1v1 situation because of endgame, which gives us another turn.
We have plenty of time if Greymist flips red. Except for Nova noone is having a strong board right now (well and you, but you're most likely going to die today).
If nova is mafia he could probably outright claim mafia and wipe the floor with us with 22 damage the next turn, 24 the turn after that and us having something like 6 damage tops per player.
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Unless you want to keep your Spellbomb for another creature.....?
I don't think there is another "dangerous creature" out there that needs the Spellbomb used against him.
Your 4/4 (or 5/3) Myr Enforcer is the most dangerous one actually...then maybe that "Protected against monsters" 2/4 card Prome has (don't know how that really works to be honest...I guess he can block and never die with it?)
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On July 04 2012 04:14 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 04:09 Oberyn wrote:
If Grey is mafia cool Nova is most likely town and you guys will need a town 8/8 beast.
If Grey is town and you fear Nova is scum Spellbomb it yourself next turn (you still have AEther Spellbomb).
I won't spellbomb it now in case Grey flips scum, Nova is town and we just made a huge mistake that may cost us the game (well, if Grey flips scum it's unlikely, but still).
There's no rush, at worst Nova will use it on Mattchew or something this turn (but you can still spellbomb it next turn) If mafia has both a 12/1 and an 8/8 creature there is reason to rush. If they don't we're fine playing the long game without the 8/8 creature because it's only one mafia left. Also as Artanis just told us mafia have to eliminate every single townie, they don't even win in a 1v1 situation because of endgame, which gives us another turn. We have plenty of time if Greymist flips red. Except for Nova noone is having a strong board right now (well and you, but you're most likely going to die today). If nova is mafia he could probably outright claim mafia and wipe the floor with us with 22 damage the next turn, 24 the turn after that and us having something like 6 damage tops per player.
How many times do I have to repeat that you still have your Spellbomb in your board?
Unless you think Nova has a "Remove Artifact from play" card and will use it as soon as D4 starts >_>
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I'm mostly worried about Fulla's "Ball Lightning+Electropotency" combo...but he needs 6 mana to pull that off, and he has only 4 lands, so I doubt he'll be able to use it next turn.
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Also it seems Nova won't even attack this turn (where the hell is everybody?) so spellbombing it right now would be a waste.
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