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just dropping by before going to university, Skimmed through everything until now and BKE does stand out with the whole "newbie" thing. nosmurfhere also just dropped an intention to omgus and casualman went into wtf-mode. Is this like an normal start for big games like these? O_o Well, more will come as soon as I am back home. | ||
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I would be okay with a lynch on BKE, his contradictory behaviour has been pointed out more than enough here and his absence since then does not help him at all. Would like to see him defend himself though. Right now it just looks like a bandwagon. casualman should also come back to do some explaining, his post is pretty much downright ridiculous. Kurumi looks like breadcrumbing to me, no idea what he is trying to convey to us, but that alone is no reason for me to suspect him. So for now: FoS: BKE, casualman There are still a lot of people who have not posted yet, so please GET YOUR ASS IN HERE AND PLAY! | ||
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Forgot Bill Muray, he looks like aggressive playing townie to me, at least for now. | ||
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On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote: I trust BillMurray in his case against VisceraEyes and acrofales. Why? I looked through VE's filter and didn't like it, then saw acrofales jumping in with this to try and defend him: That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking). I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion. Also, Acrofales, I find you to be scummy by finding a reason to jump out of cover and defend someone, but finding no reason to make own cases and post reads. It helps me imagine the option of you trying to cover the scumbuddy who has the role of acting as an overzealous townie. And when I say overzealous, I don't speak about the value of his posts, but of the sheer amount. ____ I didn't like BKE's post until I saw him mentioning the the lynched guy he used to justify his policy lynch discussion about being careful with newbs, that's enough for me as proof that his policy talk was in town's interest and not just some attempt to start a never ending policy discussion. I still cannot be sure of him being townie on the long term, but for now it's enough. If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales. I find the case agaisnt VE and acrofales pretty weak to be honest, it is just based on a single action which was voting himself and unvoting himself in the same post. It is basically telling you nothing other than VE found the Voting thread and wanted it subscribed so he posted. Not enough to convince me on lynching him, while BKE and casual still have some explaining to do | ||
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I also do not see the benefits of scum doing this in the as you described "egocentrical" way. All it does is attract attention, which is pretty much the opposite of what they want to have (in most cases) | ||
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On July 01 2012 00:02 Vivax wrote: Shiao, maybe that vote was weak for the case to start, but the follow up matters too, just cause a case starts based on a weak claim doesn't mean that the information obtained from the reactions is useless. --snipped--- His reaction was pretty much: "lol just ignore BM" Since in my opinion that case was pretty much trumped up, nothing special here. I would also not feel obliged to "defend" myself from something like that. VE gave an explanation, subscribing the thread through a post, since then there has not been stuff going on against VE and even BM switched into going after Acrofales, which looks weird as hell, as there is also no reason behind it save for: "he defended VE!! HE IS SCUM!" I just do not see a basis for suspicion right now. | ||
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What is the Kenpachi rule? | ||
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Generally said, activity could really use a bump :O I think there are still a bunch of players who have not posted yet, also BKE, casualman mind coming back to answer questions? Add drwiggles to that list, dropping a vote without reason and disappearing afterwards is baaaad. | ||
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He posted his policy talk, seemingly protecting newbies and then goes on to attack 2 of them for their first posts. Until he can explain that 180° turn, my FoS stays on him. | ||
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On July 01 2012 00:36 Vivax wrote: How are you so sure he was attacking newbies? Would be nice if you quoted him/posted links so you can back up the situation you're describing. Attacking Solstice, who is playing his first large game: On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote: Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with. Attacking casualman, who is playing for the first time: On June 30 2012 16:24 BroodKingEXE wrote: I cant think of a town reason to post this batshit insane. Sarcasm? Until you answer: ##Vote: casualman Although his attack on casualman is much more understandable than the one going after s0lsitce who can easily be given the BOTD as it is after all a friday night. | ||
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I do not want to argue about semantics with you but take it in general terms: BKE states that he believes it beneficial to be forgiving towards newbies, he then proceeds to attack 2 people's opening posts in which they clearly state that it is a "first time" for them. It is much more the general idea behind his posts, he tries to encourage newbies first and then attacks the first two who are "newbies" in kinds of definition. If you cannot see the contradiction here, than there is indeed no point in further arguing with you about the case on BKE | ||
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Vivax, no offense to you but reread the thread and come back if you have made the chronological order right | ||
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On July 01 2012 01:25 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hold Up Hold Up! I clearly said that I think solstice is not a newb. He has been playing the same amount of games as me, and at my experience level that would be a scumass post to make. He dodges responsibility and subtley confirms his towniness. Why'd he do it like that? Scum thrive off subtley in their posts making us subconsiciously move them off their radar. Hell have I been subtle? A policy and two accusations making up the just of my posting. Casual's post makes no sense from a town intent, he declares he is a dumb newb and then procedes to bandwagon me on no evidence (by him). I cant give any leway on logic if their is none. I think he is a newb scum that is trying to distance himself from the guy that said" look at newbs through this lense". And let me say again I am Not A newb At least in my perspective so if I try to hide behind that I should be lynched. Excuse me but whre did you say that solstice is not a newb? Looked through your filter, found nothing. Have you actually considered the possibility that he is in fact busy and so he dropped by with that post to say he is sorry in advance? Might be motivation to do just that, also check his other games, his opening is pretty similar to the games he has played and judging from that single post that he could be scum does not convince me. I agree on your reasoning on Casual, he is on my radar as well. I do not understand though what your "noobishness" has anything to do with the issue at hand. Nobody accused you of hiding behind noobishness so why bring it up? Until now your defense has been: -I said solstice is not newb (no idea where that comes from...) -I am not scum, since I made policy talk and two accusations. Not strong to be honest. Everyone can make policytalk and the two accusation are kind of easy, solstice is gone for a while and casualman went retard/wtf-mode. Right now I am tending on scum on you, so that will make my FoS into a vote: BroodkingEXE | ||
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So it all depends on your definition of newbness? That whole policytalking and definition seems like a pretty good backdoor to get some pressure off you. Convince me by hunting for scum then. Until then my vote stays. What are other people's opinion on this? Am I just having a bad case of tunneling somebody or was his defense unsatisfactory to others as well? | ||
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On July 01 2012 05:49 casualman wrote: ##Unvote: BroodKingEXE ##Vote: casualman @solstice: Katina has a single post and would probably fall under the lynch lurker policylynch right now. I think it would be better to go after BKE or mkmkmk | ||
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On July 01 2012 05:57 casualman wrote: phase 2 of your secret plan to world domination, which involves random vote-dropping? | ||
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On July 01 2012 06:27 Vivax wrote: Guys, look at the voting thread. Casualman just voted for himself. That's his phase 2. I know, I quoted that already and asked him, but he just does not answer... For now I will just probably ignore him | ||
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I say just shoot into mkmkmk if he does not come back before deadline and be done with him. | ||
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Well looks like it is going to be a mkmkmk lynch. To me it seems like we sadly have a large amount of players not really actively playing/contributing at all. (e.g. foxtrot, drwiggles, casualman), which makes a clear lynchtarget pretty hard to get since our scummy lurker category is way too big. A lynch on mkmkmk is okayish I guess, from the bunch of not-contirbuting lurkers his switch in attitude stands out as pointed out by ET. Still I think we would be better off lynching BKE. The lynch on one of the lurkers is pretty much a gamble in my opinion as they could just as well be desinterested/busy townies.If you look closely at BKE you will quite easily see something missing from his filter: Scumhunting Since he got called out he has done close to 0 contribution. All the time just posting tidbits on the people who voted him. No scumhunting and layabout already phrased that correctly: On July 02 2012 06:51 layabout wrote: If you read through Broodking's post's you may notice that he is not very concerned about who we lynch so long as it isn't him. He keeps jumping into argument's and telling us not to kill him rather than telling us what he thinks about other players. He put more effort into telling us he isn't a noob than he put into his vote. I already told him to well start contributing and sharing reads but nothing there. No chance to make a switch happen onto him? | ||
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It is okay with me, but I prefer a lynch on BKE, so sorry won''t switch. | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:03 Vivax wrote: Shiao, I'll just let you know that I don't like your posts. Whatever you do,I'll be watching. Well good to know I guess? | ||
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nice flavor post though. Off to bed | ||
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@Acrofales: Your case on Vivax does have merit, but sadly I would say that he is town. I played with him two newbie games, one in which he was scum and one in which he was town. His play here is pretty much a "logical" fit of his townplay. (look at NMM XV, where I more or less led his mislynch). his scum play is much more cautious and lurky than what he is doing right now (NMM XVI for reference). I am by no means happy about his playstyle but it looks town. @Mandalor: I actually think we should wait for the nighthit and some discussion before agreeing on a lynch for d2. It gives more information we can work on. And I do not like the idea of flipping yet another coin with a lurker lynch (which is most of Mattchews list). @drwiggles: You are making no sense at all. Seriously what the hell have you been doing the whole day cycle? You had only 3 posts, which accumalte to zero content and a badly explained vote on the bandwagon that was at the time on BKE. Now come night you just burst in and throw suspicion on the people who have contributed. If you disliked the lynch on fox why didn't you say so and actively tried to prevent it? Oh wait, you were actively lurking.... Also your fixation on lynching mattchew for "information" is really unsettling, goal of the game is to lynch scum... There are a lot of logical gaps in your posts and the whole matter of coming in after the lynch and just gunning for someone is something I really dislike. FoS: drwiggl3s @casualman On July 02 2012 18:38 casualman wrote: I propose no talking during the night Like seriously? Stop trolling and do something for a change. @Vivax: I do not agree on your read on marv, sure he led a mislynch, but being wrong is no scumtrait. Also the way it unfolded marv looked really town just go and check his filter. | ||
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Now onto mattchew. His list generated discussion for town, which is good and also neatly piled up all the "scummy lurkers", which was a good thing. Why are you so intent on lynching for information? Mattchews line about "deserving" I interpreted as simply one lurker down, if he had been interested in this game he might have defended himself? A mislynch on a townie is bad but foxtrot did nothing that helped town, so it is kind of "deserving" as anti-town play is especially play we want to make out and eliminate, so to me there is nothing wrong with that quote. Your conclusion that if mattchew dies all ppl on the list are town is just wrong. Bussing has always happened and will always continue to happen. | ||
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On July 02 2012 19:44 Hyaach wrote: hi guys catching up on thread. seems FT lynch didnt turn out so well. Why did you ninjavote him? | ||
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On July 02 2012 19:50 Vivax wrote: 'Being wrong is no scumtrait'. What kind of generalization is that. There were no good objective reasons to kill foxtrotter, and I kept asking marv about his reasons. He wasn't just wrong with his bad 'read', he also openly refused to justify his case by insulting me whenever I asked him something. And I'm writing this to town players, not to ShiaoPi. It is a generalization, which I learned by myself for being wrong (remember heist in NMM XVI?). Read this: On July 02 2012 07:42 marvellosity wrote: Because I love myself so much, I'm quoting myself. Can we make a Foxtrotter lynch happen? The post really screams newbie scum MO all over it. Apologising for absence, and then the excuses for voting mkmkmk - calls him a lurker basically "everything mK has done (or lack of)" despite doing even less himself. Then posts a random post of mk's like this is damning evidence. Everything about it feels like it's a scumbie who feels they have to post and doing so by appearing to try to contribute. But the whole post is actually devoid of anything. ##Vote: Foxtrotter And tell me that is "no reason" to lynch somebody, and if you cba to read marv, I'll put it shortly: -lurking -calling out a lurker and voting him, while doing nothing else himself -simple sheeping | ||
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All of you claiming the lynch on foxtrotter was that bad, why didn't you show some more activity to prevent it them? | ||
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On July 02 2012 20:04 Hyaach wrote: I wanted BKE to contribute before i slept. When i came back, it was 7.30 am i had to rush off. I glanced the thread and saw people i have town read on are actually wishy washy about BKE lynch. My vote on mKmK was a pressure vote and there was zero response. So i took the best way out, lynch the next proposed target. okay, now that you have caught up on the thread what are your scumreads? | ||
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Please please improve your reading comprehension @marv: One at least has to try | ||
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On July 02 2012 20:12 Vivax wrote: Don't even know why I reply to someone who I believe to be scum. Go ahead and make your case then | ||
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my read on wiggles is a slightly scummy one right now. d1 I had him under scummy/nulltell lurker his nightposts have been confusing and outright wrong partly. I also do not think he is playing his first game, not sure if that makes him scummier. Your point about him reading but not wanting to respond to your case is quite telling though, so I would just keep my Fos on him right now. Hyaach is somebody we should also keep a good eye on, he is lurking and not contributing anything at all. But could be just his playstyle, judging from the one I played with him. | ||
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On July 03 2012 00:54 layabout wrote: ##shoot layabout dafuq?! | ||
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Any reason for going batshit layabout? | ||
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On July 03 2012 05:12 marvellosity wrote: god I want Kurumi to die so much as long as he makes sense he can live Anybody got any clue on what he is trying to convey? | ||
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On July 03 2012 05:30 Kurumi wrote: We are running on sun batteries. I have some power to spare to apologize for my associates not working as intended. I think they're trying to hint something and show their suspicion on someone. My mind is a lot clearer than before. Broodking will hopefully start playing better. Marvellosity your push was weird, considering we've traded a lurker for a lurker, I did not notice mk did not vote, maybe that was a better course of action anyway. Screw you layabout, in this freakshow you were one of people I had slight town read on. Beep. Is this the "clear" version of your posts before? | ||
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On July 03 2012 05:35 NoSmurfHere wrote: Guess not! Better that they're dead now though, wastes less time later. I think my list from before is still a good bet. Would you care to elaborate on reasons why you want to off the people? | ||
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Barring delayed counterclaims ghost should be confirmed town by now. While I would agree on a Katina-lynch, my topread would be Hyaach: We are way into day 2 and he is doing nothing. His vote day 1 was bandwagoning twice (first mk then a ninjavote on fox). Also this quote is nice: On July 01 2012 17:21 Hyaach wrote: Actually no. BKE List your FoS and suspicions right now. Your filter is really bad so far. Help town to help yourself. You have an OMGUS vote and no case. You are actually the best lynch for today. So BKE should list his reads since his filter is looking bad. Now take a look at hyaach's filter He outright refuses to share his opinion twice now: On July 02 2012 20:15 Hyaach wrote: to you? no thanks. On July 03 2012 12:30 Hyaach wrote: I've not made excuses. lol you have a case of tunnel vision here. Why not go hunt some of the people that jumped your vote instead? On July 03 2012 12:32 Hyaach wrote: I've actually stayed out of the mud sling last night and maintain a clear view. If you want a case, I'll do one. So what makes him the special snowflake that is allowed to stay out of sharing reads? ##vote: Hyaach Maybe that will make him more talkative | ||
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On July 03 2012 22:06 Hyaach wrote: EBWOP ShaoPi, you have no right to be calling me to make cases btw, your filter are all easy to make post, fluffs and general post asking for response. You sound like a scum Maju so far. All question no stance. So your best way to defend yourself is discredit me without much proof. Nice one. Also this: On July 03 2012 22:24 Hyaach wrote: my list Mattchew Katina ShaoPi KtheZ KK done. Care to elaborate? Especially wtf is Kthez doing on the list who is replaced and dead. | ||
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I am much more willing to lynch hyaach. | ||
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It looks like nobody is willing to lend me a hand with hyaach as the focus switched to twelve/Vivax/Katina. My opinion on Vivax remains the same, he is doing his usual erratic annoying townie play, so I believe we would get a mislynch if he ends up with the most votes (can't blame you for hanging him though) I'll do some rereading on twelve and katina's past games, before giving my opinion on them | ||
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I skimmed through the filters of the two games posted in this thread and honestly I could not make out that much of a difference, rereading her filter here does yield some scummy things which stand out such as the reasonless bandwagoning, on the other hand she seems really busy and I would say that we can lynch other people for this day and leave her for later if she continues to not contribute. Twelve: I am unsure what to make of him, he joins the BKE bandwagon and the foxtrotter one without much explanation, the whole story with his rl buddy seems weird and out of place as he could have simply delievered his reasons for the switch instead of (potententially) making up a strange story, which we are supposed to believe. His whole derpage during night looks like a newbie townie, but why would he accuse someone of godfather then? His disapperance since then is just baffling, no idea what to make of it. A lynch on twelve would probably be as effective as the foxtrotter one was, he is a scummy lurker, but his lynch feels like flipping a coin. The Target I still want to lynch is hyaach: He apparently is following the thread but only gets active when it is needed (voting or being called out). So he is pretty much lurking with an aim. His refusal to contribute and participate in discussion in unsettling to me, since he just vanished yet again. | ||
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On July 04 2012 07:30 NoSmurfHere wrote: Given that Shiaopi gave two unsure verdicts on Katina and Twelve and then a scum verdict on a third player who looks the same as the first two, I'd say Hyaach is a bad lynch. Literally Shiaopi says he doesn't know what to make of Twelve's disappearance but Hyaach's disappearance makes him scum. Dafak? Let's kill katina or Shiaopi today. Acro what do you think? Hyaach is simply being actively anti-town by not doing anything if not called to do it. That is what makes me think of him as scum in difference to the other two candidates I gave my opinion on. | ||
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Twelve is just unreadable to me. I would see him as newbie town based on his posts but intentions behind it look like scum, so I said it feels like a coinflip to me. Hyaach in comparison reacts aggressively to being called out and even says: "I have no reason to participate, screw you" I probably should have added a housekeeping post that BKE is improving in my opinion on his posting and that I am still closely looking when he posts, but am moving to hyaach as the target of active pursuit. To the agreement stuff, where did I actually say I agree with BKE on that and that thing? The only thing I can see is that he seems willing to lynch hyaach now, where I was actually the first to really pressure him. | ||
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On July 04 2012 07:53 NoSmurfHere wrote: Cool, that's a reasonable answer from Vivax. Now, everyone read this: Shiaopi says he "would" read him as newbie town based on his posts (which ones? What parts of his posts?) but that his intentions seem scummy. Wait what? If the intentions seem scummy then...wouldn't you call him scum? Now note how he says Hyaach reacts. He says Hyaach reacts aggressively. That's a TOWN TELL. Okay looks like I need to post more clearly to stop you from tunneling me wrongly. Regarding Twelve: Scummy posts: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote: My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. -Twelve is parroting the general sentiment of the thread and ninjavotes BKE Not quoting the whole godfather derpfest On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote: @Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. -Still no real explanation of his vote, but wall of text Townie posts: + Show Spoiler + On July 03 2012 06:49 Twelve wrote: How do i know NoSmurfHere is town? I'm just posting my thoughts, what have you done for town so far? On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote: This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? -Calling out BKE for pretending to contribute. On July 02 2012 05:49 Twelve wrote: I'm not sure how my reasoning would be considered random. I explained why I thought the 2 people that I thought. You seem much more concerned with meta gaming then focusing on the game you in right now. Saying that someone is scum in 90% of past games shows that you are behaving irrationally, emotionally, or just plain being disruptive. As well as a deficiency in statistical analysis -Sticking to (his arguably) weak reasoning in spite of critique. I am bad at phrasing it out but what I want to convey is that he is giving me newb town vibes from his posting but one could interpret scummy intention behind it. Therefore it is not out of the realm of possibilty for him to flip scum, but I doubt it. on hyaach Since when is reacting aggressively a surefire towntell? Wouldn't a townie be happy to lay out his reasoning and reads if it helps town? What I was referring to was e.g. this quote: On July 02 2012 20:15 Hyaach wrote: to you? no thanks. Was his answer to my question regarding his reads/opinions. Or the following: On July 03 2012 12:32 Hyaach wrote: I've actually stayed out of the mud sling last night and maintain a clear view. If you want a case, I'll do one. Why do we have to request a case from someone who should be making cases as it is part of his wincon to get mafia lynched? The open hostility in his posts simply make it hard for me to believe that he is town. | ||
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Maybe it is playing out the newb card but I am finding it really difficult to make sure reads in a large game with 20+ players on everyone. Sorry that I am not that good. Oh yeah, Vivax stop sheeping, it does not fit your meta as town Well go ahead an lynch me, I will flip VT. | ||
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Well I just noticed that you had done nothing D1 and built a case upon it. Sucks to be me I guess | ||
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Never played scum. Town games: NMM XIII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707 NMM XIV http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337671 NMM XV http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298 NMM XVI http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342960 Maybe they will help you find something. I am off to bed | ||
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@NSH: I'll explain my vote on hyaach again. I used the term "aggressive" on BM as in he is throwing around suspicions wildly with not much more than a hunch. Now to hyaach's aggression, I was only asking him on his opinions/reads and he responds with a straight out "no, don't like you" and when other people also ask him he goes "why should I share a case?". It is just unfathomable to me why he does not want to share with town. I also defended vivax since I know from experience that he might be an "easy" mislynch (did that already), so at least to me there is enough reason to defend him. @Katina/Twelve: Why do you want to lynch the useless troll? Won't give us anything besides flipping a coin on alignment. | ||
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@hyaach: BKE also asked you, and you did respond with that quote of "you have to ask to get a case". Guess you don't like him either. Reading through your recent posts I want to thank you for (finally) contributing thoughts which make sense and generally stepping up your activity. You are off my suspectlist for now. ##unvote @Katina: I do not like wasting a lynch on a troll. Better to shoot him or blow him up. Good to see you unlurking and contributing. I'll probably reread mandalor now. @Twelve: Same reasoning about casualman as with Katina, Is he your strongest scumread right now? Regarding ET, I did not play any games with him so I don't know about his meta, but it is unsettling that he vanished after being one of the more active persons beforehand. Can somebody link me some games of him? | ||
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oh and Mandalor, why ninjavote? | ||
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On July 05 2012 05:09 Mandalor wrote: Ninjavote? I explained I'd go for either Katina or Twelve. Doesn't look like Katina will gain enough votes so I went for Twelve. Then say so in thread and not just vote. | ||
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On July 05 2012 05:41 Mandalor wrote: Okay ##vote Twelve Was more about the entire explanation etc. but yeah that works | ||
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I asked you questions as you are just ignoring me I feel like interpreting mafia motivation should have been the correct read instead of the newbie townie one I had you under at first. [/b]##vote: Twelve[/b] Feel like talking? If you really are town then do something for the last couple of hours... | ||
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On July 05 2012 08:34 austinmcc wrote: Is anyone else hung up on posts like those that are just...wrong? That was my whole bit about getting newbie townie vibes from him. | ||
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Sorry buddy but my vote will stay now. I am out. | ||
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How the hell did we end up lynching the person who was going to be modkilled either way?! Looking at the vote the following persons were switching last minute, I'll share some thoughts: Acrofales: I can live with the reasoning he provided here. + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2012 05:50 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Gone over the whole passage and it's a giant contradiction. I can't make sense of this. Just gonna post it in case someone else can make sense of the screwball logic that is happening here: First relevant post, when Twelve goes all paranoid theory: + Show Spoiler + On July 03 2012 06:43 Twelve wrote: I'm hesitant to post this,but I have a feeling I may be killed tonight, and a REALLY strong feeling NoSmurfHere WILL NOT be Mafia killed tonight. I made a list of people who jumped on the mKmKmK lynch as I felt it was just an attempt of mafia to get a townie lurker lynched. As I went through the list of names using their filters, I came to some tentative conclusions. My current read is that if there is a Ringleader in this game (godfather), it is NoSmurfHere. + Show Spoiler + NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 01 2012 10:25 Also your belief in "proof" probably suggests you shouldn't be playing mafia, given that most accurate reads are not based on anything anywhere close to proof. I feel he may be breadcrumbing for a detective role check. It was just a note next to his name when I Look at the interaction between NoSmurfHere and rastaban. After NoSmurfHere starts the bandwagon against mKmKmK(a lurker lynch I really didn't agree with), he seems very interested in a role claim from NoSmurfHere, perhaps trying to get a detective to waste a night and make a really dangerous "confirmed towny". + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 00:53 rastaban wrote: Yeah let's not anger the host. The other option is he is a blue acting strangely to it, but I am sure Mafia already thought of this if he isn't on their team so he is outed regardless of alignment. I think this is the easy and probably accurate lynch for today, so we should be thinking about pushing for a role claim from him. I may be reaching, but again, I think I may wake up dead and wanted to get my thoughts out there. Is he trying to link Bugs and Rastaban as scum members? He quotes Rastaban talking with EchelonTee about Bugs's VT roleclaim and says he's quoting an exchange between Rastaban and Bugs. At the time, I read this as him saying Rastaban or mK was a town DT who Bugs was trying to poke into checking him at night. I also didn't read Rastaban's post as him saying someone should check Bugs at night, but rather someone should check mK. So this whole thing confused me and all I got from that was "he says bugs is scum, but out-wifoms himself and says he's the godfather". That has two explanations: he's scum and knows bugs will look like town, or he's a townie out-wifoming himself who really thinks bugs is scumslipping his godfather role (as marvellosity seemed to think). What I didn't get from it was the theory of Bugs+Rastaban scumbuddies. The follow-up at daytime: + Show Spoiler + On July 04 2012 09:39 Twelve wrote: Alright I'm going to try and clarify some things since apparently I didn't explain myself very coherently. On the Foxtrotter swtich - I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads. On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " - I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up. So this could be the fantastic failing of a scumplan and him covering it up. Or it could be a townie explaining how his giant conspiracy theory just failed spectacularly. I think this needs to be sorted out before we lynch Twelve and I am kinda backing down from my case. The rest of his filter is still terrible, but I agree that this whole conspiracy theory into backpedalling is too fucking weird to see from a scum mindset from my point of view. ##unvote for now. He is at least making some solid reasoning behind it. [b]Vivax: What made you switch from this: On July 05 2012 07:12 Vivax wrote: ET's replacement should be bombarded with accusations once and if one joins. For now back to Twelve since I don't wanna risk ET getting lynched when he could be modkilled. I really hope he doesn't flip town. to this? On July 05 2012 09:21 Vivax wrote: -.- Ok, I'll vote ET again. If anyone believes in twelve, switch too. Need 4 votes I think. When you have been on the fence about twelve all day long... I had a pretty sure townread on you due to meta but that switch really makes me doubt it. Twelve: This here seems reasonable: On July 05 2012 19:45 Twelve wrote: I did'nt have a strong read on ET one way or the other. I switched to ET because mathematically, if I had voted for any other person, I would have been the one getting lynched. @casualman I've been asking about you and BKE since day one, don't try and act like my play has shifted dramatically. But the stuff from D1-D2 still remains and I really wished we had flipped you... Kurumi: Still a god damn null. But I really don't like the last-minute switch, coupled with the general unhelpfullness until now, tending scum. NSH: I really dislike the reason he provided, which was basically sheeping. [spoiler] On July 05 2012 09:58 NoSmurfHere wrote: I've switched my vote upon seeing the voter list and that Acro switched as well. I trust his judgment as I've been afk. Reading now [/spoiler] Compare that to certainty he had in all his scumreads until now (twelve, me etc.) and his general feel of confidence in his reads he gives out. When asked about it his further explanations are the following: [spoiler] On July 06 2012 06:52 NoSmurfHere wrote: [/spoiler]Austin, I think you make very good points. The reason I sheeped Acro was because I had been afk for about 12-13 hours and I wanted to ensure that my vote traveled with the pertinent information I missed. Obviously I shouldn't have switched but I saw Acro, VE and a couple others on ET. I also had a nagging scumread of ET based on his absence but I suppose that can be explained by the holiday in retrospect. My townread on Acro was based on him pushing BM so mercilessly. I actually considered for a time that he might be an active scum attempting to establish himself but I don't remember at which point I dropped him as a suspect; I suppose it was because there were too many people who were scummier than him. Let's see what happens in the next cycle. I'm still very interested in killing grush. ShiaoPi is still suspicious as well. I'll be back later if I'm still alive, gotta go to discussion for my class now. Reread that and tell me it is not just a rehashed version of sheeping. If he was confident in his scumreads (as he seemed to be) why does he feel the need to switch off it for a "nagging scumread", which was not on his to-kill-list? The rest of his filter is looking extremely town to me, cannot say I have a clear scumread on him but this switch is making me doubt my townread and tending towards a null. Austin He has been semi-lurky until yesterday when he proposed (or jumped on, depending how you see Vivax' role in it) the ET switch. What makes me wonder is how this [spoiler] On July 05 2012 09:29 austinmcc wrote: [/spoiler] can turn into this [spoiler]Blech. Removing my vote from ET. If he gets replaced, I'm all for lynching whoever comes in. Sorry replacement guy! On July 05 2012 09:35 austinmcc wrote: Will leave my vote on ET if this is picking up steam. Katina would be my second choice, but that's no longer an option this cycle and I'd rather get ET out of the way if this is a serious swap. [/spoiler] in the span of 5 minutes. The fact that ET was going to be replaced/modkilled was unchanged. Why switch then? Because you were "curious" as you say in the follow-up? This is effectively no reason to me. The austin I know does not lurk and does not flip-flop like that before lynchtime (except for heist, but yeah ). Since your activity stepped up a lot after the lynch I am willing to exonerate you for now. So what do I want to convey we do the next day? lynch/blow up/vig the following personns: grush, Kurumi, casualman While keeping an eye open on: NSH, Austin, hyaach, twelve, BKE, Mandalor | ||
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duh, screwed up the formating stuff, hopefully still readable | ||
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yep I was not reading adam's filter, just looking at the way the voteswitch happened. gg austin, I'm out | ||
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I already said that I will have to reevaluate my read on Vivax, so right now I am ready to lynch him. Will be rereading BKE now | ||
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He is actively going under the radar (with success, I guess as I overlooked him day 2) and has not a mentionable amount of contribution. Also his votes were all on targets which were the current sentiment of the thread. Add that to his day 1 stuff and I say we got a solid lynch candidate. ##vote: BroodkingEXE | ||
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You can see my thoughts on twelve in an earlier post, he is still a nullish read who I wish had flipped instead for ET. just so we can stop discussing him. I want grush to die or start doing something, like pretty much the majority of the thread I guess. Katina is nullish tending town, her recent posts are much better and she is offering up reads and opinions. hyaach is tending town now. He is pushing his read and generally more helpfull than before (which wasn't too hard to be honest), he could still be more transparent though. | ||
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I dislike the way hyaach played and his choice of checks, but I guess we can go along with his target to see if he lied (or if Katina was framed). ##unvote ##Vote: Katina | ||
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should read we can at least get something with Katina's flip | ||
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Since I did not have the time to check in earlier, no chance to not get a Katina flip anyway | ||
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I suggest lynching grush and twelve, preferably twelve first, since his defense of Katina made me more wary of him. @NSH: You really think I would have done that kind of reaction if I knew Katina would flip scum, because she is my scumbuddy? Seriously, I might be not playing really well this game, but I am not that stupid... All I can say to that is that I made a mistake in my reads. If you do not believe me lynch me and get disappointed by a mislynch | ||
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Stuff came up I could not really make it in time and when I switched a lynch on Katina was all but certain. Why would I switch as scum to get more attention directed onto myself? I could have easily afk'ed my way through the day by staying put on my vote on BKE. | ||
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##vote: Twelve | ||
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As we off Twelve today (and really should hit red with it) we are looking at 8-2 after the nighthit, giving us plenty of time to find the last two. I would suspect them within the following people: grush, casualman, Maju (aka the trolls/lurkers) I have some slightly less suspicions on: Mandalor, Acro and VE but these depend heavily on the fact that especially acro and VE are still alive. More or less confirmed town are: ghost, hyaach, me, BKE So conclusively said NSH's list is a pretty good thing to follow through | ||
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On July 11 2012 07:39 casualman wrote: Posting to avoid modkill nothing else? | ||
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they are both kind of unreadable, one due to trolling one due to active lurking. It is pretty much a coinflip on those two. | ||
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I would prefer a Maju lynch, grush remains grush anyway, he could just as well be town. I'm out for now | ||
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if you take out the fact that grush was defended by scum and defended scum | ||
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##vote: MajuGarzett @grush: I am not exonerating you completely here. Who do you want to lynch? What's your opinion on the remaining players? Other people I am wary of as of now: Mandalor (that last post was baaad), casualman and VE Now especially to VE: What are your thoughts right now? As a vet player I would assume that you have quite some knowledge to share. The lack thereof until now is really worrying, besides the fact that you are still alive, but that also accounts for Acro. @vivax: Who do you want to lynch today? | ||
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adding to BKE's explanation, this post here: On July 12 2012 20:40 Mandalor wrote: woops should've used the preview. apparently ubb code doesn't work like that with colours. Here's the post with adjusted code: I don't like the grush/casualman options tbh. We can not afford to have another mislynch and I feel like they're coinflippy options at best. I think there should be a rule against their posting if they're town really. They're annoying, don't help and play into mafia's hands even if they're innocent. Maju's behavior on the other hand is odd and our best option imo. @Anyone suspecting me to be scum: Please take a look at my actions. It's common for people that are suspected early to look scummy for the rest of the game, but I feel like my actions speak a pretty clear language. People I suspected or defended: [color=red]BKE[/color]: It was an early vote. He seemed to be town's best option, but I didn't have a good read on anyone up to that point. I lean towards town now, but I'm absolutely not sure about him. Mattchew: I thought of him as scum early because of his odd reads. The more he posted, the less convinced I was. Towards the end of his life, I was rather sure he was town and I openly said that. drwiggl3s: I was absolutely sure he was town and I defended him early when town was after him. Katina: I thought she was rather easy to read. Pretty obviously scum and I said that early. Twelve: I was wrong with my suspicion of Twelve, but so was every townie. Tbh I wasn't too sure of him before the sudden voteswitch to Foxtrotter, but that reaffirmed my suspicion. I hope I'm not missing someone. Please note how the only affirmed eventual town player I voted for was Twelve. Yeah I could be scum actively helping town to not raise suspicion on me, but when you're suspected that early, imo it's the better option as scum to lay low and not try to openly express your thoughts on so many people. Is a giant rehash and also you say you prefer maju, where is your vote then? But yeah, Brood has kind of a point here. @VE: What is your opinion on Maju? | ||
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It's the part where Mandalor does not seem to remember hyaach's green check on BKE here: On July 12 2012 20:40 Mandalor wrote: @Anyone suspecting me to be scum: Please take a look at my actions. It's common for people that are suspected early to look scummy for the rest of the game, but I feel like my actions speak a pretty clear language. People I suspected or defended: [color=red]BKE[/color]: It was an early vote. He seemed to be town's best option, but I didn't have a good read on anyone up to that point. I lean towards town now, but I'm absolutely not sure about him. bolded it | ||
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gogo make that switch guys! | ||
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we actually already have a majority on Maju if I am not mistaken, yay! | ||
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Who do you think are the other scum? | ||
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VE, now that Acro answered you, who would read as scum besides Maju? | ||
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please please bleed red so we will not get potentially screwed over by casualtroll | ||
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gg scum, well played. Thanks for hosting and also apologies for playing a godawful game from my side :S | ||
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